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[0:26] <pinion> Trying to scp about a gigs worth of files with scp it stops after about 20 seconds and I get Operation timed out when trying to ssh into it from another terminal. I ahve plenty of space and what not and nothing is running on the Raspbian image. Am I over loading it somehow?
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[0:33] <pinion> This is on the 2013-02-09 raspbian image, installed to usb, on a model b, going over ethernet
[0:34] <pinion> Running off a powered usb hub
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[1:06] <Asterick6> Are there any public changelogs provided?
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[1:17] <pinion> Unplugging the bluetooth adapter and the 3.5mm headphone jack and initiating the scp transfer from the pi instead of to the pi got everything copied over.
[1:18] <pinion> I mean, I still copied to the pi, but I logged into the pi to start the scp process
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[6:21] <TeeCee> Hi guys.
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[8:44] <Aldaron> what, am I really seeing packages tagged "rc2" on my raspbian install?!
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[8:50] <plugwash> Wouldn't surprise me, ultimately it's down to the debian maintainer to decide when something is ready for debian
[8:50] <plugwash> and that may or may not line up with upstreams idea of a final release
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[8:55] <NyberMi1> Hello!
[8:55] <NyberMi1> Quick question: due to the ARM architecture on the rasp, will there be trouble installing various printer drivers if i try to use my rasp as a print server?
[8:56] <NyberMi1> are printer drivers binaries precompiled for a certain arch?
[8:56] <NyberMi1> sorry if i sound stupid, been a while since i was tinkering with this stuff
[8:58] <plugwash> Any binary components of drivers included with the cups etc packages in the raspbian repositories should be built with appropriate compiler settings for raspbian (though that is not an absoloute gaurantee they will work)
[8:58] <plugwash> Drivers got from elsewhere may be more problematic
[8:58] <NyberMi1> ah thank you, so the tldr version would be: most likely trouble
[8:59] <NyberMi1> how about a webcam that had no trouble working on ubuntu/debian - will those drivers be baked into the raspbian core?
[8:59] <plugwash> My feeling is for most printers it will probablly work with the supplied drivers but the only way to find out for sure is to try it
[8:59] <plugwash> *with the drivers supplied in raspbian's packages
[8:59] <NyberMi1> hopefully im getting my rasp tomorrow
[9:00] <plugwash> unfortunately some webcams have been troublesome, afaict the problem there hasn't been the webcam drivers themselves but bugs in the Pis USB implementation
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[9:01] <NyberMi1> oh...
[9:01] <NyberMi1> And the gertboard, is it necessary to have that in order to do some IO programming to say... a relay?
[9:03] <deadalps> is there a youtube plugin für raspbian?
[9:03] <plugwash> you don't need the gertboard specifically but you will need some electronics beyond what is on the Pi itself to safely drive a relay without frying stuff
[9:03] <plugwash> I gtg
[9:04] <NyberMi1> plugwash: 2 years of electronic engineering studies behind me, switching studies but i learned quite a lot about basic stuff like this :)
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[9:24] <SStrife> NyberMi1: Gertboard is just handy because it has an open collector IC to protect your Pi's sensitive little LVTTL interface
[9:24] <SStrife> the GPIO pins are literally connected directly to pins on the SoC
[9:24] <SStrife> There would be no problem if you used Pi's GPIO pins to turn on a mosfet, which then turned on a relay
[9:25] <SStrife> or if you're paranoid, turn on a bjt to turn on a mosfet to turn on a relay :P
[9:26] <NyberMi1> so... many... acronyms :P
[9:27] <markedathome> deadalps: you can use youtube-dl / yt, and search for whitey-0.2.tar.gz pipe through mplayer/omxplayer.
[9:27] <SStrife> at least as an electronics engineer, you should know what bjt and mosfet are :P
[9:28] <NyberMi1> yes i understood that the gertboard makes life easier, but i don't necessarily need to create a network of sensors for CCTV system here, just some simple stuff... maybe a motor to crack the window a little when temperature gets high? Maybe make a schedule for the box to automaticly water my chilis every day and stuff like this
[9:28] <NyberMi1> SStrife: i do, but in another language
[9:29] <Aldaron> plugwash: oh. Well, would you know of some distribution more stable than debian? :)
[9:29] <SStrife> ah right
[9:29] <NyberMi1> yay, rasp just left the shop and i should have it tomorrow
[9:30] <SStrife> nice
[9:32] <NyberMi1> Also, i'm an electronics engineering student dropout - and i have terrible memory
[9:32] <SStrife> i wouldn't mind a 512MB pi... but i have two 256MB pi's.... which nobody would want because you can get 512MB ones now. conundrum!
[9:32] <SStrife> ah
[9:33] <NyberMi1> Switching to software side this year
[9:34] <NyberMi1> i can do all sorts of calculations on how the current travels in a transistor, but i found myself oddly unknowledgeable on how to use these components for real world stuff
[9:34] <NyberMi1> it was schematic after another and match problem after another
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[9:36] <NyberMi1> mosfets are current regulated flood gates for secondary currents?
[9:36] <NyberMi1> i have this vague memory of the drawings on the blackboard
[9:38] <SStrife> pretty much yeah
[9:38] <SStrife> a little current applied to the gate, will allow much larger current and voltage to flow from the source to the drain
[9:38] <NyberMi1> yes
[9:39] <NyberMi1> so in order to protect the Pi, i would use the low current of the Pi to regulate a larger current that in turn drives the application?
[9:39] <NyberMi1> is this the intended idea?
[9:39] <SStrife> essentially
[9:39] <SStrife> and gertboard is a nice pre-packaged way to do it
[9:40] <SStrife> but you can definitely get by with a solderless breadboard, a handful of components, and some wire
[9:40] <NyberMi1> we just got the Pi itself here in finland, i remain pessimistic about the availability of gerts for a while more
[9:40] <SStrife> you don't have a Farnell/Newark/Element14 branch up there?
[9:41] <SStrife> afaik all of farnell's brands carry it :-/
[9:41] <Aldaron> NyberMi1: http://www.partco.biz/verkkokauppa/index.php?cPath=2153&osCsid=q554j0sqt0chnls3hik3jql7i2 - you can buy those from a shop in Helsinki
[9:41] <Aldaron> stocked
[9:41] <NyberMi1> Thanks a lot :)
[9:41] <SStrife> there you go :)
[9:41] <SStrife> good stuff!
[9:42] <Aldaron> I bought my Pi from there on monday :)
[9:42] <SStrife> they even have the unassembled kit, man, that's a lot of fun right there
[9:42] <NyberMi1> ah, farnell site takes me to partco
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[9:42] <NyberMi1> what i don't get is why does the pre-installed 4GB SD cost as much as the Pi?
[9:42] <NyberMi1> well, nearly
[9:43] <NyberMi1> when you can get a SD10 for 5-10€
[9:43] <Aldaron> you can get the preinstalled 8GB SD for 14 €
[9:43] <SStrife> They are charging you handsomely for the effort they spent putting the software on the card :P
[9:43] <NyberMi1> How hard can it be :p
[9:44] <SStrife> It's very tiring work, first you have to type some stuff on the keyboard, then you have to wait.
[9:44] <SStrife> I'm sweating just thinking of it
[9:44] <Aldaron> Those seem to come with raspbian, though mine was a couple of months old, and updating it was slow and buggy. But maybe that's just Debian
[9:44] <NyberMi1> SStrife: wouldn't you just make an image and just load it into card after another?
[9:45] <SStrife> I'm joking, man! :)
[9:45] <NyberMi1> errr, of course. I knew that!
[9:45] <SStrife> ;)
[9:52] <Aldaron> Is Raspbian based on Debian Stable, or just some Debian stuff?
[9:53] <SStrife> it's based on debian squeeze
[9:53] <SStrife> the original debian image from the foundation was wheezy
[9:54] <Aldaron> squeeze's also supposed to be "stable", is it?
[9:54] <SStrife> no wait
[9:54] <SStrife> raspbian is wheezy too
[9:54] <NyberMi1> are trivial things such as motion and cheese etc. available?
[9:54] <SStrife> squeeze is the current debian stable
[9:54] <SStrife> wheezy is the next debian release
[9:54] <NyberMi1> i mean, if i deploy it as a low power consumption webcam server to observer my chilis when im away for longer periods?
[9:54] <SStrife> but it is based on debian
[9:55] <NyberMi1> i have timers for light and ebb&flow watering but i do like to set up streams, all i have here is a gaming laptop that i leave behind but thats like 120-170 wats
[9:55] <Aldaron> I don't care if it's based on "Debian". I care about it being based on something stable. Stable means: no unnecessary updates, no friggin' release candidate packages etc
[9:57] <SStrife> they don't use release candidate packages
[9:58] <Aldaron> why were there rc-packages on my raspbian then
[9:58] <SStrife> unless it's necessary to support something on the Pi
[9:58] <Aldaron> those were python packages
[9:58] <SStrife> which ones?
[9:59] <Aldaron> this was just something I saw while updating the system, without really reading much of the output
[10:00] <NyberMi1> how fast do you run into trouble with a passive usb hub on the rasp?
[10:01] <NyberMi1> meaning, no additional dc for the hub is what im getting at, keyboards and such should work right?
[10:01] <NyberMi1> we are getting 500mA?
[10:01] <SStrife> i'm not sure, both of my Pi's are the old ones with the polyfuses, so i have to use a powered usb hub
[10:02] <SStrife> also there are some bugs with the USB controller i believe.
[10:02] <SStrife> i seem to recall passive hubs being mentioned with regard to that
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[10:02] <NyberMi1> polyfuses?
[10:03] <NyberMi1> okay, well that makes me focus on a powered hub then
[10:03] <SStrife> self-resetting fuse, basically
[10:03] <NyberMi1> aight.
[10:04] <NyberMi1> luckily i have lots of spare devices to test with due to my work
[10:04] <NyberMi1> just found a compact passive hub, got like 3 active ones at my apartment in this city
[10:04] <NyberMi1> failing that, my main apartment is filled with junk :)
[10:04] <Aldaron> python, idle, python-minimal, libpython2.7 were 2.7.3~rc2-1 before updating (on this preinstalled raspbian SD I bought). I still have rc packages for libgd2-xpm, libspeex1, libspeexdsp1 and xdg-utils
[10:05] <Aldaron> well I guess I can cope and wait for Wheezy to stabilize
[10:06] <SStrife> Aldaron: Yeah, i'm seeing those ones too. That's news to me. I know that wheezy is at what debian calls "testing", but I was sure that they only put unstable/buggy stuff into sid and experimental.
[10:06] <Aldaron> Well, Wheezy itself is in release candidate stage now X-D
[10:07] <Aldaron> I just wouldn't want to run a ton of updates on a raspberry pi :P
[10:07] <SStrife> it goes pretty quick
[10:07] <SStrife> i'm doing it now, actually
[10:09] <SStrife> after an initial update, i wouldn't bother updating again unless you found something that wasn't working.
[10:09] <NyberMi1> Aldaraon, why not?
[10:09] <NyberMi1> i read about the install on the SD card can take up to 8-9 hours
[10:09] <NyberMi1> is updating packages the same?
[10:10] <SStrife> Who told you 8-9 hours?
[10:10] <NyberMi1> theeee raspbian FAQ site
[10:10] <NyberMi1> hold on...
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[10:10] <SStrife> i could see it taking that long to compile on Pi
[10:10] <NyberMi1> "a minimal install of Raspbian to an SD card can take 90 minutes or longer. An install that includes the Debian desktop environment which includes 800 additional packages can take up to 8 to 9 hours to complete. "
[10:10] <NyberMi1> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[10:11] <SStrife> Ah
[10:11] <SStrife> that's the installer, that includes sitting waiting for all the packages to download
[10:11] <SStrife> if you just put the flat image on an SD card, and "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
[10:12] <SStrife> it's like 20 minutes
[10:12] <SStrife> unless you have, like, dialup internet.
[10:12] <NyberMi1> 100 line at primary apartment and work, 8 at this place here
[10:12] <SStrife> 8 is plenty
[10:13] <SStrife> i'm on 100 here and it's only downloading at 280KB/s
[10:13] <SStrife> updates, that is.
[10:15] <NyberMi1> wheres the flat image?
[10:15] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[10:23] <SStrife> you can write the image to an SD card on Mac/Linux with "dd"
[10:23] <SStrife> or in Windows with Win32DiskImager
[10:23] <SStrife> oh nevermind, they mention Win23DiskImager on that page. I'll be quiet now. :P
[10:27] <NyberMi1> yeah they did :)
[10:28] <NyberMi1> wouldn't a pendrive persistent linux work better than an sd card?
[10:28] <SStrife> Yeah
[10:28] <SStrife> or USB hard drive
[10:28] <NyberMi1> disregarding the ARM part, running off a usb memory
[10:28] <SStrife> the SD card interface isn't great
[10:29] <SStrife> but you must boot from one.
[10:29] <NyberMi1> i was thinking of having the backup system on the SD and booting off a usb-memory instead
[10:29] <NyberMi1> oh
[10:29] <NyberMi1> does the rasp have a bios at all?
[10:29] <NyberMi1> and if yes, is it what we are traditionally used to?
[10:30] <SStrife> nope, "BIOS" is a PC thing, has been since 1981
[10:30] <NyberMi1> Have you ran any other operating systems on it with ARM support?
[10:30] <SStrife> Pi is hardwired to read a firmware file from a FAT partition on the SD card
[10:30] <NyberMi1> Yes, my bad about the BIOS
[10:30] <SStrife> you can put the root filesystem on a different device
[10:31] <SStrife> but /boot has to be on an SD card
[10:31] <NyberMi1> doesn't debian get a little confused about the lack of Bios data? obviously not i guess...
[10:31] <SStrife> Even on the PC, Linux doesn't really use the BIOS, it accesses hardware directly.
[10:31] <NyberMi1> oh cool
[10:32] <SStrife> In today's PCs, the BIOS just tells the CPU where to go look for a master boot record
[10:32] <SStrife> back in DOS days, software used BIOS routines
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[10:33] <SStrife> to save time on programming
[10:33] <nevyn> man int 13H
[10:34] <SStrife> respect.
[10:34] <SStrife> :)
[10:35] * nevyn is currently attempting to install debian in UEFI native mode on a lenovo x230 laptop
[10:35] <nevyn> it's not going well...
[10:35] <SStrife> i have had zero joy with UEFI
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[10:37] <SStrife> works on Mac, obviously, but it kinda got dumped on PCs without much notice or planning
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[10:40] <NyberMi1> what is uefi?
[10:40] <nevyn> it's new and modern
[10:40] <SStrife> it's a replacement for the 30+ year old BIOS
[10:40] <nevyn> instead of pretending your computer is a 8080 with 640k of ram and a 16bit address space it's like 64bit and fast and stuff
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[10:41] <NyberMi1> sounds good to me
[10:41] <nevyn> it even knows about parallel device init and stuff
[10:41] <nevyn> the problem is people tend to test that it boots windows 8
[10:41] <SStrife> Keepin it Real.....Mode.
[10:41] <nevyn> and then it's good to go[tm[
[10:41] <twolife> it's also full of bug
[10:41] <nevyn> yes yes it is.
[10:42] <NyberMi1> what happened to the nazi module in motherboards that was going to destroy open source etc?
[10:42] <NyberMi1> some kind of chip that required all software to be signed and licensed
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[10:43] <SStrife> A motherboard maker could choose to put steps in their uEFI firmware to look for a digitally signed bootloader
[10:43] <NyberMi1> some great new microsoft idea
[10:43] <SStrife> but that's not "what it's for" so to speak.
[10:44] <SStrife> bbl
[10:44] <NyberMi1> that would effectively mean it would be expensive for linux distros to get every new release to run on these mobos?
[10:45] <NyberMi1> and time consuming
[10:49] <SStrife> or the vendor could choose to only allow signed bootloaders from an issuer of their choosing (i.e. Microsoft)
[10:49] <SStrife> but
[10:49] <SStrife> they could also not
[10:50] <SStrife> and it's a safe bet that Gigabyte/Asus/MSI/etc would never do that
[10:50] <SStrife> Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc, might be more inclined to do that, but it's doubtful
[10:50] <NyberMi1> i wouldn't instantly boycot any vendor that limited me in such a way
[10:50] <NyberMi1> i would!
[10:50] <NyberMi1> *
[10:51] <NyberMi1> reminds me of what apples doing
[10:51] <nevyn> the whole saga is documented by matt garrett
[10:51] <nevyn> who's blog is awesome if you ignore the sensationalist bits about ted tso. which.. sigh.
[10:51] <NyberMi1> ted tso?
[10:52] <nevyn> kernel developer
[10:53] <NyberMi1> ... i see
[10:53] <SStrife> Apple are surprisingly cool about installing other OS'es on Mac.
[10:53] <SStrife> It was one of the very first things they did after the Intel switch
[10:53] <NyberMi1> how about the other way around?
[10:54] <NyberMi1> doesn't mac osx require apple hardware to run on?
[10:54] <SStrife> They don't support it on non-Mac hardware
[10:54] <SStrife> Because they don't sell it as a product like Windows, it's just a part of a Mac, if that makes sense.
[10:55] <SStrife> When you look at it that way, it's less absurd.
[10:55] <NyberMi1> i somehow instantly understood that
[10:56] <SStrife> :)
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[10:57] <NyberMi1> but still, leave it to apple to redefine what an OS is
[10:57] <NyberMi1> i regard it as something you can install on different kinds of machines
[10:58] <NyberMi1> i was curious about macs a while ago and wanted to run osx in a virtual environment
[10:58] <SStrife> It's kind of like back in the old days, when every machine had their own CP/M
[10:59] <SStrife> Digital didn't sell you "an OS"
[10:59] <SStrife> they sold you what was essentially an upgrade for the system they sold you
[10:59] <SStrife> the OS was just a part of the system
[11:00] <nevyn> mmm...
[11:00] <nevyn> do not like
[11:00] <SStrife> it's not for everyone, but it is what it is
[11:00] <NyberMi1> sounds like what we have in phones novadays, to me at least
[11:01] <SStrife> you can shoehorn OS X on to non-Apple hardware, but it's not meant to be used like that
[11:01] <NyberMi1> what part of apple hardware makes them different from others at this point?
[11:01] <NyberMi1> in the back of my head, when i think apple i think of outdated overpriced hardware in a nice shiny casing
[11:02] <nevyn> if it wasn't for the whole walled garden thing I think i'd have had an air instead of this x230
[11:03] <SStrife> there isn't a walled garden on Mac... there's a safety-switch type thing you turn off.
[11:03] <SStrife> Airs are great
[11:04] <NyberMi1> i assume air is a thin laptop?
[11:04] <SStrife> NyberMi1: If you just look at the hardware components on a dot-list, then Macs do appear to be no more than expensive hardware in a shiny case.
[11:04] <NyberMi1> i once got one because it wasn't working correctly, the whole device feels alien to me
[11:04] <SStrife> Macbook Air is what the current "ultrabook" craze has stemmed from.
[11:05] <NyberMi1> right, like the ipad and tablets
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[11:05] <SStrife> yeah
[11:05] <NyberMi1> but again, i feel like apple gets the idea, then somebody else makes a more functional version of it and then i get intrested
[11:05] <NyberMi1> asus ultrabook, nice freaking thing and basicly an open pc
[11:05] <NyberMi1> samsung tablets, androids cool
[11:06] <SStrife> The thing is, when you compare all of the factors, Macbook Air and Pro come up pretty comparable with a clone brand laptop in the same class
[11:06] <SStrife> you might get a faster CPU, GPU, bigger HDD, etc in a HP or Dell
[11:06] <SStrife> but you also get a tiny trackpad, and plastic casing.
[11:07] <SStrife> it all depends on what you want/need from your device,
[11:08] <SStrife> Nerds often say iMac is overpriced, when they compare a component list from an online computer store, but that doesn't factor in assembly, shipping, training, support, whole-system warranty, and so on
[11:08] <Aldaron> NyberMi1 SStrife: the initial update did take a couple of hours :P, though perhaps it would've been quicker if the Pi didn't freeze halfway through..
[11:08] <SStrife> hahaha
[11:08] <SStrife> that's unfortunate
[11:09] <SStrife> mine was much quicker than that, pot luck i suppose :P
[11:09] <NyberMi1> mines still in the mail, im getting antsy in the pantsy already
[11:09] <SStrife> at the end of the day, different strokes for different folks
[11:09] <Aldaron> ya well. I'm considering I start over with a fresh image
[11:10] <Aldaron> Also the 40 or so errors I saw while expanding my root partition didn't feel very comfy
[11:10] <SStrife> lamesauce.
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[11:12] <SStrife> As you can probably tell, I'm fairly platform agnostic. :P
[11:12] <NyberMi1> errr, indifferent to platforms?
[11:12] <SStrife> I have a macbook pro, but my gaming/rendering/etc desktop is WIndows, my server and embedded things are Linux
[11:12] <SStrife> yes, that is a good way to describe it
[11:12] <SStrife> :)
[11:12] <Aldaron> SStrife: sounds good
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[11:13] <NyberMi1> i dabble in multiple choices too, but i have some deep found principle problem with apple
[11:13] <NyberMi1> might be the userbase
[11:13] <Aldaron> I have an iPad, a symbian phone, windows for gaming, slackware linux for work and hobby development, and now raspbian for the pi :)
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[11:14] <NyberMi1> and my ex insisted that her ipod shuffle was superior to my mp3 player, 1gb versus 8gb of storage, no screen versus screen, audio versus superior audio quality, battery time versus superior battery time
[11:14] <NyberMi1> and mine was half the price
[11:14] <NyberMi1> :/
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[11:14] <SStrife> iPods used to command quite the premium, but they're comparable these days I think.
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[11:16] <SStrife> The standalone MP3 player is fading away though, which would explain it
[11:17] <Aldaron> ya well, for my usage patterns, I wouldn't want Apple software on any other device than a tablet computer. I think that's where iOS actually is good.
[11:23] <NyberMi1> i'd use my phone as a mp3 player more, if it wouldn't be for the expense of battery life
[11:27] <SStrife> well, early night for me. later gators
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[12:49] <Aldaron> um.. Is there no apache for raspbian?
[12:49] <linuxboy> surely there is?
[12:50] <TeeCee> Aldaron: apache2
[12:50] <Aldaron> TeeCee: oh, thanks
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[12:51] <Aldaron> yea, I just didn't expect the version number to also skew the package name
[12:51] <linuxboy> hasn't it been apache2 in debian for a while?
[12:51] <linuxboy> Aldaron: apt-cache search apache
[12:51] <Aldaron> linuxboy: thanks, I'll try to use that
[12:52] <Aldaron> perhaps, I haven't been in debian before :)
[12:52] <linuxboy> heh
[12:52] <Aldaron> Are people still using apache 1? Is there some other reason for not changing it to just "apache"?
[12:53] <linuxboy> I assume it used to be apache and apache2
[12:53] <linuxboy> then the dropped apache
[12:54] <Aldaron> yeah
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[14:44] <twolife> am i the only one with strange behevior since the last libc6 update ?
[14:45] <twolife> http://paste.debian.net/235940/
[14:48] <Mogwai> twolife: I saw that at one point, but I attributed it to an update of omxplayer, where i had to do an rpi-update to get the foundation libs in synch
[14:49] <twolife> everything seems to be affected... omxplayer, xbmc, retroarch
[14:49] <Mogwai> well they all link to the foundation libs in /opt/vc/lib, no?
[14:50] <twolife> yes
[14:50] <twolife> but everything was working before the update. the only package upgraded where libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dev libcairo2 libdbus-glib-1-2 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data locales multiarch-support openssh-client openssh-server python python-minimal ssh vim-common vim-tiny
[14:50] <Mogwai> Aha, curious
[14:51] <twolife> plugwash: sorry to bother you, but your name is in the changelog so you are the culprit ^^
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[14:54] <twolife> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib ; and everything is working fine
[14:54] <twolife> but that's a hack, it shouldn't be needed
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[15:08] <twolife> mmm that's blackmagic... it works now... without changing anything...
[15:09] <Mogwai> ldconfig?
[15:10] <twolife> that's the first thing i tried
[15:10] <twolife> wasn't working
[15:10] <Mogwai> Hehe, voodoo
[15:11] <twolife> the first line in the libc6 changelog... "* debian/patches/arm/cvs-ldconfig-cache-abi.diff: Backport upstream patch to re-enable ldconfig cache tagging for armhf binaries again."
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[15:11] <twolife> seems related to my problem
[15:11] <Mogwai> Aha, that's my bug :)
[15:12] <Mogwai> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15006 .. I didn't think it would ever affect Raspbian at glibc 2.13 or some such
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[15:14] <Mogwai> Or maybe this is something eglibc specific .. nevermind
[15:15] <twolife> backporting such things after 8months of freeze
[15:15] <twolife> they are stupid
[15:16] <Aldaron> ugh
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[15:27] <Mogwai> vcgencmd: error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory .. confirmed!
[15:28] <Mogwai> Let's see if I get the same magic treatment then
[15:29] <ParkerR> Mogwai, Try running it from the full path /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd
[15:29] <Mogwai> Nope .. same thing
[15:29] <Mogwai> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib vcgencmd works tho
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[15:30] <ParkerR> Weird
[15:30] <ParkerR> Mogwai, You happen to be on arch?
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[15:31] <Mogwai> ParkerR: No no, I'm confirming what twolife talked about above .. the latest update to libc on raspbian
[15:31] <ParkerR> Oh
[15:32] <ParkerR> I had onlyheard about that issue with arch users so far
[15:32] <ParkerR> *only heard
[15:35] <Mogwai> I've tried a reboot and an ldconfig .. I wonder where the magic could be hiding
[15:35] <ParkerR> Mogwai, So are you saying not to upgrade libc for now?
[15:36] <ParkerR> I just did an update and started an upgrade. It mentioned libc so I canceled
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[15:37] <Mogwai> ParkerR: well twolife's Pi fixed itself somehow .. we should figure out how
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[15:45] <ParkerR> What...
[15:45] <ParkerR> We get multiarch-support now?
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[15:46] <ParkerR> "Setting up multiarch-support (2.13-38+rpi1) "
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[15:50] <Mogwai> Problem fixed by rpi-update here .. let's diff
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[15:54] <Mogwai> And it's not the vc binaries themselves, if I copy old /opt/vc binaries into place it still works .. so what's left .. kernel change? voodoo magic..
[16:00] <Mogwai> twolife: Did you move your /opt/vc binaries around at all?
[16:01] <twolife> not at all
[16:01] <twolife> i did something like dpkg-reconfigure libc-dev-bin && dpkg-reconfigure libc6
[16:02] <twolife> don't know if it helped but i did that
[16:02] <ParkerR> Mogwai, :( I knew I shouldnt have updated "./emulationstation: error while loading shared libraries: libbcm_host.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:02] <ParkerR> "
[16:02] <Mogwai> ParkerR: Alright, now you have two things to try :) dpkg-reconfigure or rpi-update
[16:02] <ParkerR> Mogwai, Funilly enough rpi-update didnt work for me
[16:02] <ParkerR> *Funnily
[16:03] <Mogwai> Or just wait for the voodoo spirit to come there and fix your junk .. apparently he's on a timer or something
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[16:03] <ParkerR> Ok did botht he dpkg commands. Time to reboot
[16:03] <twolife> i never used rpi-update, i maintain my own .deb for all that stuff, so i'm sure it's not that
[16:05] <ParkerR> :( neither of those fixed it
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[16:06] <Mogwai> Could it be a cronjob?
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[17:19] <xeviox> hi guys, how can I setup a autostart script on raspbian?
[17:19] <xeviox> I don't want a service, just a little script that gets called once on startup
[17:22] <llutz> xeviox: /etc/rc.local
[17:26] <xeviox> llutz: sounds good, thanks!
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[21:08] <Shinda> hello all
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