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[0:03] <vlt> Hello. Can anyone tell me which ffmpeg options I should use when I encode a live stream to h264 for the Pi ...
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[0:04] <gnarface> vlt: did you ask in #ffmpeg?
[0:04] <vlt> ... for the smallest possible latency?
[0:06] <vlt> gnarface: I did now. Thanks. But maybe there's someone here who does exactly that.
[0:07] <mlongo> gnarface> How can I see if the card is correctly installed with firmware-atheros?
[0:07] <gnarface> mlongo: it should say something in the dmesg output from during boot up, or at least not complain about missing firmware anymore
[0:08] <gnarface> mlongo: probably it says it loaded it
[0:09] <mlongo> http://pastebin.com/pc7DFTbg
[0:09] <mlongo> Looks good, no?
[0:14] <mlongo> but even so, http://pastebin.com/Brnz3s23 =/
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[0:53] <gnarface> damnit why do they always leave before i can answer?
[0:53] <gnarface> if mlongo ever comes back tell him it looks like there is something wrong with his interfaces file...
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[0:53] <gnarface> "Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) "
[0:54] <gnarface> i think he may be mistaken simply about what its actually called
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[6:40] <plum> hi all
[6:42] <plum> i'm having a frustrating issue with my raspberry pi... it's on a new install i did today of the latest raspbian, and the pi will randomly cease wireless functions (happens every time i ssh after a little bit, so far)
[6:43] <plum> i've gotten to the point where i just don't know what to do, and it's becoming more of a frustration tool than a learning tool for me. since it's random and there's no direction i can see to begin troubleshooting...
[6:45] <plum> is there anything i can do to fix it?
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[7:06] <gnarface> plum: you are using the pre-installed raspbian image distributed by raspberrypi.org?
[7:06] <gnarface> plum: if so, you may want to try asking in #raspberrypi
[7:07] <plum> ah, yes, i am
[7:07] <plum> well, i should say- i'm using raspbian wheezy that was linked from their site
[7:07] <gnarface> i'm curious if just changing your kernel/firmware version to something newer or older fixes it, as i've had similar problems
[7:07] <gnarface> but its their image
[7:07] <gnarface> they've... done things to it
[7:07] <gnarface> its not just stock raspbian
[7:07] <plum> ah, alright
[7:07] <plum> what's the difference between their image and the one at raspbian, then?
[7:08] <gnarface> i think they have some auto configuration scripts
[7:08] <gnarface> and the kernel/firmware version is probably different
[7:08] <plum> iirc, i went to the raspbian site and it linked me to theirs
[7:08] <plum> i'll go check in there though, thank you
[7:09] <gnarface> well, in either case you should be able to control your firmware/kernel version with rpi-update
[7:09] <gnarface> i think
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[7:09] <gnarface> there are other ways though too
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[7:27] <gnarface> in theory there should be packages
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[7:28] <gnarface> plum: also, you may want to try this too if you get bored http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
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[7:34] <plum> thank you, i'll check it out
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[11:40] <flo|va-nu-pied> hi all
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[15:51] <PerekL> anybody do any microphone/soundcard work on the pi? I'm looking to use the pi to allow me to output usb microphone audio to a non-usb mixer
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[17:08] <Mmmentor> hi, i want to run raspbian on virtual machine , any help ?
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[17:12] <shiftplusone> Can't virtualise it, but you can use qemu (emulate it)
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[17:14] <Mmmentor> any remote login sessions on raspberry pi available on internet ?
[17:17] <XpineX> Mmmentor, I could maybe provide you with one if you could give me an idea of what you would use it for.
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[17:23] <roy1899> Hi everybody :^)
[17:23] <roy1899> im looking for some help with my raspberry pi
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[17:24] <shiftplusone> roy1899, you're in the right place then.
[17:24] <roy1899> So
[17:24] <roy1899> ill would like to try my one
[17:24] <roy1899> i actually looking to buy an SD card
[17:25] <roy1899> but i see there are diferents sizes 4 each OS
[17:25] <roy1899> i was looking here
[17:25] <roy1899> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[17:26] <shiftplusone> Those are just disk image sizes. As long as the SD card is larger than 2GB, you're fine. I'd recommend not going below 4GB.
[17:26] <roy1899> but actually i would like to try a fast and easy like Ubuntu
[17:27] <roy1899> Ok i was thinking about bought an 16Go o 32Go
[17:27] <shiftplusone> fast and easy, sure. 'like ubuntu'... not so much.
[17:27] <shiftplusone> Well, I suppose it is like ubuntu, but maybe not in the ways you want.
[17:27] <roy1899> Yes
[17:28] <roy1899> I know its not so simple
[17:28] <roy1899> but maybe u can show me the good way to make my dream come true
[17:29] <shiftplusone> What's the problem? 1) Buy an SD card 2) Install raspbian 3) Off you go.
[17:29] <roy1899> i want to use my Pi on TV install like a Small Machine with and external USB drive
[17:30] <shiftplusone> As a media center or as a computer?
[17:31] <roy1899> + like a Computer (Laptop)
[17:31] <roy1899> But king of media center
[17:32] <roy1899> I wanted to play my Streams on TV XD or Download movies etc and show it on big screen
[17:32] <roy1899> but at same time i need to use Email programs
[17:32] <roy1899> And Something like open office
[17:33] <roy1899> Basicaly my need are kind of media center + some bureatics functions
[17:34] <roy1899> Stream video (flash needed) + Open Office + Mail + Bitorrent + Web Browsing ..
[17:36] <slystone> roy1899: I don't advise the use of Flash, and of Openoffice. You have to keep in mind that the Raspberry Pi is not fast, and on the contrary, pretty slow. Dirt cheap and pretty slow. Flash is not going to work.
[17:37] <slystone> You can watch videos in 1080p, sure, you have a good chip for that. But Flash relies on the CPU, not on the video decompressing chip. And the CPU is slow.
[17:37] <roy1899> But can i play a stream on my webrowser
[17:37] <roy1899> ?
[17:38] <shiftplusone> the pi might not be right for your purpose
[17:38] <roy1899> so i cant be able to play streams on sites like purevid etc
[17:38] <slystone> roy1899: probably not.
[17:38] <roy1899> but if i download it ill be able to play it
[17:38] <slystone> You'll be able to play it, yes.
[17:39] <slystone> Flash is an abomination, it is evil!
[17:39] <shiftplusone> Not sure I'd go that far, but it's certainly not usable on the pi
[17:39] <slystone> shiftplusone: I think he already has a Raspberry Pi.
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[17:39] <slystone> shiftplusone: yes, on that one we agree.
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[17:40] <slystone> roy1899: even Openoffice/Libreoffice is probably going to be slow.
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[17:41] <slystone> roy1899: but if you're interested by a media centre, you could have a look at the project of XBMC (don't remember the name).
[17:41] <shiftplusone> Openelec, Xbian, Raspbmc
[17:41] <slystone> Yes !
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[17:41] <shiftplusone> sounds like xbian may be the best choice for your application
[17:43] <roy1899> ill will searc info about Xbian
[17:43] <shiftplusone> good luck
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[18:15] <Haidawe64> Will Rasbian still be usable without installing a kernel or does it already come with one?
[18:15] <Haidawe64> The installation instructions point to yes
[18:16] <sney> raspbian images come with a kernel, the kernel is required for booting
[18:16] <Haidawe64> So putting yes will be alright?
[18:16] <Haidawe64> To be able to use it?
[18:17] <sney> I don't know what "yes" you're referring to
[18:20] <Haidawe64> The installer said that an installable wasn't found in the APT sources, and if I'd like to continue without installing a kernel.
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[18:38] <gnarface> Haidawe64: certainly you don't mean *this* installer? http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[18:38] <Haidawe64> I do.
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[18:41] <Haidawe64> Anything wrong about it? Or are you just not fond of it gnarface?
[18:42] <gnarface> Haidawe64: no i simply can't recall ever having that problem.
[18:42] <Haidawe64> On the page it said this: "Install the base system
[18:42] <Haidawe64> No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources.
[18:42] <Haidawe64> Continue without installing a kernel?
[18:42] <Haidawe64> <Yes>"
[18:43] <plugwash> Sometimes hacked up versions of the debian installer do that sort of thing because the person doing the hacking up didn't do a thorough enough job
[18:43] <shiftplusone> Haidawe64, if you don't want to use the foundation image, I would recommend this instead https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[18:43] <plugwash> unfortunately the person who hacked up D-I for raspbian seems to have disappeared
[18:44] <Haidawe64> So will Raspbian simply not work when selecting yes?
[18:44] <shiftplusone> plugwash, maybe worth changing the site to link to hifi's installer?
[18:44] <hifi> he doesn't drink my koolaid yet
[18:44] <hifi> working on it
[18:44] <shiftplusone> ah, heh
[18:44] <hifi> I even support his kernel now
[18:44] <hifi> which btw. works quite nice
[18:45] <hifi> and have instructed many people to use it who want to compile custom modules against the kernel
[18:45] <Haidawe64> Wait, was that option there in case you wanted another kernel?
[18:45] <hifi> people who git clone the foundation kernel end up in a lot of mess and trouble
[18:45] <Haidawe64> Surely the installer has one.
[18:45] <hifi> compared to the ones who accept their fate and install the 3.6 kernel headers
[18:45] <hifi> (package)
[18:45] <Haidawe64> Just checked the installation files that were told to put on the sd card, kernel.img is there.
[18:46] <hifi> plugwash: you're free to link me anytime though :)
[18:47] <Haidawe64> I just want to know if it'll install with that kernel.img
[18:47] <Haidawe64> Would suck having one that doesn't even boot
[18:48] <shiftplusone> Haidawe64, the instructions say to answer 'yes' on that question.
[18:48] <shiftplusone> I don't know what it will or won't do, but that's what it says
[18:48] <shiftplusone> Though I wouldn't recommend using that installer at all.
[18:48] <Haidawe64> I remember the Raspbian installation process being much simpler before.
[18:49] <Haidawe64> Just a few prompts.
[18:49] <sney> most people just use a prebuilt image.
[18:49] <sney> that's simple.
[18:49] <Haidawe64> The installation process has more steps now.
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[18:49] <shiftplusone> Haidawe64, no, it doesn't. You're just using an unsupported method.
[18:50] <shiftplusone> The filename alone should be a big warning sign rpi_installer_08-19-12.zip.
[18:50] <Haidawe64> So this is the alternate method?
[18:51] <Haidawe64> Or a alternate method, I should say.
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[18:51] <shiftplusone> it's an alternate method
[18:52] <hifi> many alternate methods around, all unofficial
[18:52] <hifi> the only official way is using the prebuilt image
[18:52] <gnarface> bu the official prebuilt image has non-raspbian stuff in it.... ?
[18:52] <hifi> though the installer version is raspbian endorsed as it's on their page, so it's the most official installer
[18:52] <hifi> gnarface: what do you mean, like the foundation packages?
[18:53] <Haidawe64> Have any of you done the method I'm trying?
[18:53] <Haidawe64> the one shiftplusone mentioned?
[18:53] <shiftplusone> gnarface, depends on what you mean by 'official'. There's the foundation image, which most people consider to be the official image, and yes, that has extra stuff added to it.
[18:53] <hifi> Haidawe64: what method
[18:54] <Haidawe64> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller hifi
[18:54] <hifi> yes, it's quite tested
[18:54] <hifi> slow, but should work well
[18:54] <shiftplusone> Haidawe64, I didn't mention it... I mentioned it as a "don't do it".
[18:54] <gnarface> Haidawe64: yes, it worked fine for me, repeatedly, though i admit i haven't tried it in a few months
[18:54] <hifi> and the installation steps are weird because you need a separate guide for them
[18:55] <gnarface> well the primary problem i had with the installation steps is they don't mention that you have to pre-create the swap and data partitions *too* or it fails
[18:55] <gnarface> but maybe someone fixed that since then
[18:55] <gnarface> i think it was january or february when i ran it last
[18:55] <hifi> out of curiosity, have you, gnarface, tried raspbian-ua-netinst?
[18:56] <hifi> as you seem to be quite active here
[18:56] <gnarface> hifi: no, and i should, but after the second install of this: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller onto a larger SD card i got it right and haven't had to re-install since
[18:56] <gnarface> just been messing around trying different foundation kernel/firmware combos
[18:57] <Haidawe64> It did continue with the installation though, so maybe…
[18:57] <Haidawe64> Well, let's se..
[18:57] <Haidawe64> *see
[18:57] <gnarface> Haidawe64: expect a minimal install to take at least 40 minutes
[18:57] <hifi> gnarface: ok, fair enough
[18:57] <gnarface> patience is key here
[18:58] <Haidawe64> It's not about patience, just worried that if it'll install right or not
[18:58] <gnarface> hifi: whats the difference with the raspbian-ua-netinstall one? its a modification of unetbootin? not iso-hybrid though like the new debian wheezy isos, right?
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[18:58] <hifi> gnarface: it's a custom debootstrap installer
[18:58] <Haidawe64> I followed this exactly: "Install the base system
[18:58] <Haidawe64> No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources.
[18:58] <gnarface> hmm
[18:58] <Haidawe64> Continue without installing a kernel?
[18:58] <Haidawe64> <Yes>"
[18:58] <hifi> it does a debootstrap with sshd packages in ~15 minutes
[18:58] <Haidawe64> So that got me worried.
[18:58] <gnarface> hifi: interesting
[18:59] <hifi> and is headless
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[18:59] <hifi> so you can - in theory - plug a card in, wait for 15 minutes, ssh in
[18:59] <shiftplusone> hifi, hm.... I wonder if using your installer in this instructions instead of the foundation images might be the way to go http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[19:00] <hifi> shiftplusone: I didn't ever get networking working in qemu
[19:00] <hifi> even with the patched qemu
[19:00] <gnarface> hifi: 15 minutes is a compelling argument, vs 90
[19:00] * gnarface will have to try it
[19:00] <shiftplusone> hifi, it's usually fine for outgoing connections from my experience. It's when you start getting fancy that you run into trouble.
[19:01] <hifi> gnarface: it is quite fast, and installs only raspbian packages, no foundation
[19:01] <sney> does it skip that stupid gentoo PS1
[19:01] <hifi> shiftplusone: I didn't get a NIC at all with a Pi kernel
[19:01] <hifi> sney: colored PS1?
[19:01] <sney> yeah
[19:01] <hifi> certainly
[19:01] <shiftplusone> hifi, yeah, you need to use a special kernel, which supports the hardware emulated by qemu.
[19:02] <hifi> it doesn't install anything else than minimal raspbian, it's under 500MB installed
[19:02] <hifi> shiftplusone: there is a patched qemu that emulates Pi hardware
[19:02] <shiftplusone> hifi, torlus' ?
[19:02] <hifi> shiftplusone: but that didn't have working networking for me at least, even though it should have apparently
[19:02] <hifi> shiftplusone: yeah
[19:02] <hifi> I tried to contact the author by email but never got a reply
[19:03] <shiftplusone> hifi, yeah, it's not 100% there yet.
[19:03] <hifi> as it would've been easier to dev with that instead of jumping between my PC and TV
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[19:03] <shiftplusone> hifi, he tends to follow this thread www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26561
[19:03] <gnarface> hifi: sometimes the problem is you just need a host route, or a network bridge
[19:03] <shiftplusone> hifi, but in the meantime... http://xecdesign.com/compiling-a-kernel/
[19:04] <hifi> gnarface: I couldn't get the NIC to be recognized by the kernel at all, with the proper command line flags that are on the github page, for some reason
[19:04] <gnarface> hifi: interesting. well i've had flaky wifi issues with different firmware versions, as well as noticing CMA totally broken in most of them
[19:05] <hifi> gnarface: wait, I meant qemu
[19:05] <gnarface> hifi: oh my bad. hmm
[19:05] <hifi> my Pi's been working fine though thanks :)
[19:05] <gnarface> hifi: someone was telling me there was a trick to getting qemu working but i forget what the googleable keywords for it were
[19:06] <gnarface> maybe its just that patched qemu shiftplusone was talking about
[19:06] <shiftplusone> gnarface, hifi was talking about it >_<. I was talking about using a different kernel.
[19:06] <hifi> I did use that
[19:06] <hifi> I built it from git
[19:06] <hifi> but didn't help, no networking, no testing
[19:07] <hifi> USB keyboard emulation worked though
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[19:08] <gnarface> hifi: what was your qemu command?
[19:09] <shiftplusone> there's no net connectivity on that qemu build
[19:09] <hifi> there you have it
[19:09] <hifi> gnarface: exactly whatever was posted on the github page
[19:09] <hifi> and I tried many combinations
[19:10] <hifi> but if it didn't really have networking then it doesn't really matter
[19:11] <shiftplusone> "The Ethernet module is a USB-attached one, and its QEMU driver is yet to be written..." http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26561&start=25#p278342
[19:14] <hifi> bummer
[19:14] <hifi> fortunately I already did the hard job of tracking down binary related issues
[19:14] <shiftplusone> Unless you have some very specific reason to use that qemu build, you don't gain anything by not using my approach instead
[19:15] <hifi> and I finally figured out that a DVI->HDMI adapter works both ways *gasp*
[19:15] <Haidawe64> Ah, I'm guessing the kernel issue that was there and in the instructions were a "if it arises" case.
[19:16] <hifi> I kept looking at the DVI cable male end that connects to the GPU and my adapter and drew the conclusion 'wrong sex'
[19:16] <Haidawe64> Well, I did follow the instruction, so I should be fine.
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[19:17] <hifi> after realizing the DVI cables are M-to-M a week later was... embarrassing
[19:24] <gnarface> heh, nice tip. i wouldn't have realized that
[19:24] <gnarface> i was just happy to finally have something to plug into the hdmi port on my projector
[19:25] <gnarface> but when you convert to dvi the hdmi edid auto-detection or whatever can't work, can it?
[19:25] <gnarface> so you have to set the right resolution/refresh combo and tell it to ignore edid?
[19:26] <plugwash> EDID has worked for me with a HDMI to DVI converter
[19:26] <plugwash> though i've heard of a few people having problems
[19:28] <gnarface> well it worked for me without one, then a firmware update broke it
[19:29] <gnarface> (that's becoming a pattern with firmware updates)
[19:29] <gnarface> what i could really use is a list of the md5 key for all of them, by version and changelog
[19:29] <gnarface> so i can pick the one without bugs in the features i'm using
[19:30] <gnarface> was excited the last update fixed CMA but i started having intermittency in my wifi again
[19:30] <gnarface> not sure if its related or environmental
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[21:22] <ajf> so, erm
[21:23] <ajf> I tried in #raspberrypi, I tried in #debian. X11Forwarding not working. "X11Forwarding yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, PuTTY and Xming set up correctly (they work fine with my VPS, but not my Pi), xauth is installed on server, but "Cannot open display:" error
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[21:25] <fritzi> can I ask a question? (a bit dizzy about tmp and ram)
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[21:26] <vagrantc> fritzi: ask away, and patiently wait for an answer...
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[21:29] <ajf> ah, fixed
[21:30] <fritzi> ok, thx^^: I thought the files going to tmp are stored in ram, ok tested: copied /lib to tmp, ram usage increased 5MB (htop), directory has ~50MB... then I added " /var/tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=100M 0 0" to /etc/fstab, rebooted same test again same conclusion +5MB ram-usage and not the expected +50. So what's going on? What did I wrong?
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[21:36] <fritzi> or in short: how can make sure that a folder is mounted in a virtual partition in ram. thanks for every constructive idea, it's just something I never needed before
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[21:58] <gnarface> fritzi: its unclear from your statement what the problem is exactly. is the problem that you weren't aware that /tmp and /var/tmp are not both the same "tmp" ?
[21:59] <fritzi> this could be a possible problem^^
[21:59] <gnarface> fritzi: or is it possible you're confusing the basic behavior of tmpfs with something older but not equivalent (ramdisks)
[22:00] <gnarface> the system default tmp for most software in linux is /tmp
[22:00] <gnarface> the /var/tmp directory is entirely different in purpose
[22:00] <gnarface> well, not *entirely* but it bears the distinction that its not for stuff that can be safely deleted at random
[22:02] <gnarface> fritzi: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt here's some details on tmpfs, but basically as i understand it, tmpfs has access to swap. ramdisks do not
[22:02] <fritzi> thx, starting reading
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[22:19] <fritzi> ah ok, and tmpfs dynamically allocates the space which is needed? (without using swap)
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[22:25] <fritzi> ok: setting /whatever in /etc/fstab to tmpfs will do it, so I can in my case copy the needed files after boot to /whatever and be happy, and tmpfs won't use swap until there is no ram left?
[22:25] <gnarface> fritzi: yea i think basically it writes to ram directly so that it has the same write throughput as a ramdisk, but flushes to disk/swap as necessary to free up system ram for other purposes (unlike ramdisks, which apparently exist isolated from the kernel virtual memory stack)
[22:26] <gnarface> at least, that's my limited grasp of it as a non-kernel-developer
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[22:27] <gnarface> fritzi: basically what i'm saying is that i don't quite understand it perfectly either, but what you're describing sounds like expected behavior to me.
[22:27] <fritzi> ahhh, thank you. learning everyday
[22:27] <fritzi> and this link was a realy great help
[22:28] <gnarface> no problem
[22:33] <fritzi> today I did/made the exam for machine elemts, still a bit dizzy :)
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[23:08] <fritzi> It looks like it does his job, we will see more in 3 months ;-)
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