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[0:52] <zombieman> does anyone have any exparience with os commerance
[0:55] <atouk> a little
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[1:18] <plugwash> vagrantc, you arround?
[1:19] <miseria> "causa: vivir en la gloria; efecto: fomentar la pobreza: fin: morir de hambre. mision: destruir nuestro planeta" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
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[1:20] <vagrantc> plugwash: sure
[1:21] <plugwash> You maintain ltsp in debian right?
[1:21] <vagrantc> yup
[1:22] <vagrantc> in fact, that's what got me interested in the rpi ... looking at it's use as a thin client
[1:22] <plugwash> I know some people have been doing stuff with ltsp and the Pi but i've no idea on the details. I've patched the ltsp in raspbian jessie to make it build but I've no idea if that is enough to actually make it usable
[1:22] <vagrantc> oh, it failed to build?
[1:22] <plugwash> and if it's appropriate to push anything upstream into debian
[1:23] <vagrantc> if it's not too crazy complicated, i'd be happy to take patches
[1:24] <plugwash> It started failling to build after we started using our own vendor name
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[1:24] <plugwash> http://buildd.raspbian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=ltsp&arch=armhf&ver=5.4.2-6%2Bb2&stamp=1382790352
[1:24] <vagrantc> i recently switched the packaging to dpkg-vendor, it used to use lsb-release...
[1:25] <vagrantc> probably not able to take patches for wheezy at this point, though
[1:25] <plugwash> How exactly do you use dpkg-vendor?
[1:25] <vagrantc> ah, got it.
[1:26] <vagrantc> i see why it's failing.
[1:26] <plugwash> Anyway I added a quick hack http://debdiffs.raspbian.org/main/l/ltsp/ltsp_5.5.0-1%2brpi1.debdiff but i've no idea what the best way to fix it is, nor if raspbian is likely to need different settings from debian to make ltsp actually usable
[1:27] <vagrantc> the ltsp packages have some differences between ubuntu and debian, so we use dpkg-vendor/lsb_release to check
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[1:28] <vagrantc> i haven't actually used raspbian as an LTSP server, though, i've only tested the client environment
[1:29] <plugwash> In general to distinguish between debian and ubuntu it's best to use "dpkg-vendor --derives-from ubuntu"
[1:30] <plugwash> That way downstreams of both will get appropriate treatment
[1:30] <vagrantc> plugwash: my hunch is that raspbian can be treated identically to Debian for all the ltsp packaging
[1:32] * vagrantc wonders ho wmany people are using raspbian as an LTSP server...
[1:33] <vagrantc> at runtime, most stuff uses lsb_release, i'm guessing that's different too?
[1:34] <plugwash> Yes it is
[1:34] <plugwash> in general I would advise against using lsb_release because it lacks any understanding of the idea of derivative distributions
[1:35] <vagrantc> that's used extensively upstream
[1:35] <vagrantc> there isn't any distro-agnostic tool that does any better that i'm aware of
[1:36] <plugwash> Well there is /etc/os-release though you have to parse it yourself
[1:37] <plugwash> and it's relatively new
[1:39] <plugwash> The problem is lsb_release has no concept of derivatives, so rather than saying "do x on debian like distros and y on redhat like distros" you have to say "do x on debian, ubuntu, mint ............ y on fedora, rhel, suse, mandrake..............."
[1:40] <plugwash> Which means smaller distros get screwed because upstreams neglect to include them
[1:40] <vagrantc> as far as the packaging is concerned...
[1:40] <vagrantc> for ltsp
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[1:41] <vagrantc> i just need additional checks for dpkg --derives-from debian && VENDOR=Debian
[1:41] <vagrantc> and dpkg --derives-from Ubuntu && VENDOR=Ubuntu ?
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[1:42] <vagrantc> and then... probably need a symlink in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Raspbian -> Debian
[1:42] <vagrantc> although the mirror settings will be different. hrm.
[1:43] <plugwash> In general don't use "--derives-from debian"
[1:43] <vagrantc> ?
[1:43] <plugwash> because pretty much every dpkg using distro will return true for that
[1:43] <vagrantc> well, if VENDOR != Debian or Ubuntu ...
[1:44] <plugwash> Remember ubuntu derives from debian
[1:45] <plugwash> so in general you would check if derived from ubuntu, if so do ubuntu stuff, if not do debian stuff
[1:46] <vagrantc> the --dervices-from checks would only be fallbacks if it's an "unknown" VENDOR
[1:47] <plugwash> If you really insist on doing a --derives-from debian test you would need to do it AFTER the --derives-from ubuntu test
[1:47] <vagrantc> right
[1:48] <vagrantc> plugwash: would you file a wishlist bug on ltsp about this?
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[1:48] <themill> (that's the well known drive-by spammer)
[1:50] <plugwash> (but in general I see doing a --derives-from debian test as pointless, you may as well just put the "debian" choice as the final fallback IMO)
[1:50] <vagrantc> plugwash: yeah, that makes sense.
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[3:31] <zwergnjkl> What C compiler should I use on my pi?
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[3:33] <sney> gcc is the linux standard generally
[3:33] <sney> if you 'apt-get install build-essential' you'll get a collection of compiler related tools needed for building most source packages
[3:33] <zwergnjkl> thanks
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[3:36] <zwergnjkl> If I write a .txt file will it run in gcc?
[3:36] <zwergnjkl> or do I need to save it as something .c
[3:37] <sney> I've never tried that, but I think as long as it's C code it should compile
[3:37] <zwergnjkl> ok
[3:37] <sney> saving as .c is a better habit to get into though
[3:37] * sney tries it
[3:37] <zwergnjkl> Is there a standard text-editor for debian?
[3:38] <sney> I think the default is nano, a lot of people like vi and emacs, there are several gui editors too, with and without syntax highlighting
[3:39] <sney> sney@debaser:~$ cc -o test test.txt
[3:39] <sney> test.txt: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[3:39] <sney> that's for a standard hello world. guess it does have to be .c
[3:40] <zwergnjkl> ok
[3:41] <zwergnjkl> I wrote helloworld.c and put it on my desktop.
[3:42] <zwergnjkl> I commanded gcc helloworld.c and then cc helloworld.c
[3:42] <sney> for C stuff you should really be using the terminal more than anything else
[3:42] <sney> if you don't use the -o option, it compiles to a file called "a.out"
[3:42] <sney> if you use -o you can tell it what to call the compiled binary
[3:43] <zwergnjkl> where is a.out?
[3:43] <sney> cc and gcc are the same thing, cc is a symlink which is like a shortcut to gcc
[3:43] <sney> it'll be in the same dir as your helloworld.c
[3:43] <zwergnjkl> how do I open it?
[3:44] <zwergnjkl> I typed a.out and the result is: "bash: a.out: command not found"
[3:44] <sney> from your terminal type ./a.out
[3:44] <zwergnjkl> it worked!
[3:44] <zwergnjkl> what is ./ ?
[3:44] <sney> it means "this current directory"
[3:44] <sney> bash doesn't look in the current directory for programs unless you specify with ./
[3:45] <zwergnjkl> ok
[3:46] <zwergnjkl> where does it look?
[3:46] <zwergnjkl> /bin?
[3:46] <sney> type this: echo $PATH
[3:46] <sney> those are the places it looks
[3:47] <sney> if you make a dir called 'bin' in your home directory, and log out and log back in again, it'll look there too
[3:47] <zwergnjkl> ok
[3:48] <zwergnjkl> how do I log out?
[3:48] <sney> type "logout" or ctrl+d
[3:49] <sney> gotta run but here's a reference card for some stuff you should know https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf
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[4:30] <plugwash> <sney> that's for a standard hello world. guess it does have to be .c <-- I'm pretty sure there is a way to bypass the file extension based detection and force gcc to treat the file as c code
[4:30] <plugwash> though I don't remember exactly what the option is off the top of my head
[4:31] <themill> "-x c" but it's not worth fighting with the compiler over such things
[4:31] <zwergnjkl> hello
[4:33] <zwergnjkl> how do I run hellworld.c in terminal?
[4:34] <zwergnjkl> I've trield cc -o helloworld.c
[4:36] <piney0> close. cc helloworld.c -o helloworld
[4:36] <piney0> that would make an executable named helloworld
[4:37] <piney0> then the ./helloworld to run it
[4:38] <zwergnjkl> success
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[13:31] <byt3b0mb> hey guys
[13:31] <byt3b0mb> looking for some help
[13:31] <byt3b0mb> installed lastest raspbian and tightvnc
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[13:32] <byt3b0mb> config'd ~/.vnc/xstart a ton of different ways - can only get open box not LXDE
[13:32] <byt3b0mb> suggestions?
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[13:53] <Lynx0> Hi all! A while ago I asked on the raspberry forums about the USB audio problem (crackling during SD card access). The mod jdb told me a fix was being worked on. I have trouble finding any information on this, or which thread to monitor about a solution. Can someone tell me what´s up with that?
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[13:54] <shiftplusone> Lynx0, have you tried the new FSM FIQ thing?
[13:55] <Lynx0> shiftplusone: no, what´s that? It´s related to USB processing, right?
[13:55] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=70437
[13:55] <shiftplusone> And another thread to follow is this one http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=23544
[13:57] <Lynx0> shiftplusone: Cool, that´s what I was looking for, I´ll have a read through those. Thanks!
[13:57] <shiftplusone> The start of the redux thread is quite old, so it's not too relevant. look at the last few pages.
[14:01] <Lynx0> ok, so the upshot of it is ¨still working on it¨
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[14:02] <shiftplusone> and probably always will be
[14:03] <Lynx0> hehe
[14:04] <shiftplusone> I mean that it's not a single issue that needs fixing.
[14:04] <shiftplusone> It's something that's constantly being worked on and improved
[14:04] <Lynx0> maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy a HifiBerry
[14:05] <Lynx0> Another suggestion was to reduce the audio sampling rate, but I´m not sure where to change that in raspbian.
[14:05] <Lynx0> I tried to set it lower in my mpd config, but with no changes
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[14:50] <SShawUK> Hey folks
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[16:06] <byt3b0mb> need help with vncserver - it defaults to open box and i want vnc connection to run lxde, any help would be greatly appreciated. tried editing .vnc/xstartup and it still goes to openbox
[16:06] <Lynx0> Hi again, another question: I have used raspbian from NOOBS, it automatically boots into it. Now I have cloned to SD card to try something, however the new SD cart, which should be itentical, boots into the NOOBS menu and does not display the installed raspbian. How come?
[16:10] <byt3b0mb> if i use sudo vncserver :1 i get LXDE if i use my user login i get open box on vnc, but a direct login to my pi using my user login gives me the correct window manager
[16:10] <byt3b0mb> thoughts?
[16:13] <Lynx0> byt3b0mb: Should be a setting in vncserver
[16:13] <byt3b0mb> tried everything
[16:13] <byt3b0mb> still get open box under my user account
[16:14] <byt3b0mb> edited .vnc/xstartup
[16:14] <byt3b0mb> looked at /etc/X11/Xsession
[16:14] <byt3b0mb> can't find where it is different
[16:18] <Lynx0> Don´t know then.
[16:18] <Lynx0> Use NX ;)
[16:19] <byt3b0mb> NX?
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[16:27] <Lynx0> The better vnc: http://opennx.net/ It´s much faster and nicer.
[16:27] <Lynx0> Ah, openx is just the client. Not sure what the best open server is at the moment.
[16:28] <Killerwolfie> sweet, got webmin installed successfully on my pi
[16:33] <sney> xrdp is usable and usually a little quicker than vnc. plus it has auth
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[16:34] <byt3b0mb> my problem is getting the server to use the right window manager on the pi
[16:35] <byt3b0mb> if i use root to start the server i get LXDE
[16:35] <byt3b0mb> if i use pi i get LXDE
[16:35] <byt3b0mb> if i use my user name jphines i get openbox
[16:37] <sney> sounds like jphines has an .xinitrc set to load openbox then
[16:39] <byt3b0mb> where is .xinitrc
[16:39] <byt3b0mb> ?
[16:39] <byt3b0mb> i can't seem to find it
[16:40] <Killerwolfie> hidden in the home dir
[16:40] <byt3b0mb> i don't have it there
[16:40] <byt3b0mb> strange :P
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[16:41] <Killerwolfie> try /home/user/.xinitrc
[16:41] <byt3b0mb> I'm in home/jphines/
[16:41] <byt3b0mb> and i have .Xauthority .xsession-errors
[16:41] <byt3b0mb> no .xinitrc
[16:41] <byt3b0mb> not sure wth is going on with my pi...
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[16:44] <Killerwolfie> did you use ls -a
[16:44] <Killerwolfie> at term
[16:44] <Killerwolfie> in that home dir
[16:45] <byt3b0mb> yep
[16:45] <byt3b0mb> don't have .xinitrc in home/jphines home/pi or root
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[16:46] <Killerwolfie> hmm
[16:47] <Killerwolfie> dunno now. Cant find it on mine either.
[16:47] <byt3b0mb> very strange
[16:47] <byt3b0mb> is it possible to rename the pi user to my user name?
[16:47] <byt3b0mb> since pi works?
[16:48] <byt3b0mb> not sure if that would fix it
[16:48] <byt3b0mb> i compared the ~/.vnc/xstartup files in both home dirs and they are exactly the same
[16:48] <byt3b0mb> but different window manager
[16:48] <byt3b0mb> so strange
[16:49] <Killerwolfie> if you havn't already, I'd suggest installing webmin. This is the guide, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=6096
[16:50] <Killerwolfie> will make it easier to edit things in a nice web gui
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[16:53] <byt3b0mb> thanks Killerwolfie
[16:53] <byt3b0mb> racking my brain with this nonsense :P
[16:54] <Killerwolfie> yeah lol I know what you mean.
[16:54] <Killerwolfie> there is a learning curve to this
[16:54] <Killerwolfie> but in time I would think it gets easier :P
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[16:58] <byt3b0mb> lets hope!!!
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[16:59] <heday> Hi all, Is there a way of building a package for the raspberry pi on a pc running debian?
[17:00] <heday> without having to run it into a qemu environment? (in other words, can i perform a cross-compilation packaging?)
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[19:26] <Chetic> how can I have a command wait for an argument command and THEN run in the background? i.e. "cmd1 `cmd2` & cmd3" where cmd3 is not started until cmd1 has been
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[19:32] <Lynx0> Chetic: cmd1 & cmd2 & cmd3 will start them each after the one before is finished
[19:32] <Chetic> no Lynx0 but && would do that
[19:32] <Chetic> and that wouldn't work since I need cmd2 as an argment for cmd1
[19:32] <Lynx0> ah, I see
[19:35] <Lynx0> cmd1 $(cmd2) && cmd3 would work, no?
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[19:41] <Chetic> Lynx0 that requires cmd1 to finish
[19:41] <Chetic> before starting cmd3
[19:41] <Chetic> I want cmd3 to run when cmd1 has been given the argument from cmd2
[19:44] <frumious_> $(cmd2) is executed by the shell before cmd1 is
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[19:45] <sney> cmd2 |xargs cmd1 && cmd3
[19:47] <heday> How can i perform a cross-compilation packaging for the raspberry pi in my debian x86?
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[19:56] <Lynx0> Chetic: x=$(cmd2); cdm1 $x; cmd3
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[19:57] <Chetic> good idea Lynx0!
[19:57] <Lynx0> Chetic: will still run cmd3 only after cmd1 is done I guess
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[20:51] <cael> oyi, a upgrade to Jessie takes quite awhile.
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[20:53] <cael> but one question, would it benifit the pi to move its Swap off to a USB-HDD (magnetic not SSD)
[20:54] <Robby> oh, upgrade to jessie you say?
[20:54] <cael> yea
[20:54] <Robby> does this still occur for you?
[20:54] <Robby> Err http://archive.raspberrypi.org jessie/main armhf Packages
[20:54] <Robby> 404 Not Found [IP: 2a00:1098:0:82:1000:13:0:5 80]
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[20:54] <Robby> I always get that since I also upgraded
[20:55] <cael> hasnt done it to me yet but its in the setting up stage of packages
[20:55] <cael> looks like your setup for IPv6
[20:55] <Robby> oh ok :)
[20:55] <Robby> yes
[20:56] <cael> i'm still set for ipv4 as my isp isnt rolling out to v6 till later this year
[20:56] <Robby> I have a tunnel to a neighbouring country PoP
[20:56] <cael> ahh
[20:57] <Robby> although our ISP is starting to roll out native IPv6 too this year
[20:58] <cael> i just dont get back to raspbianvs Jessie, is why ScummVM 1.4.1 is the latest on raspbian but 1.6.0 is on jessie's repo
[20:58] <cael> 1.6 compiles just fine and runs under raspbian.
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[22:26] <jeffreylevesque> how do you set your pi to automatically log in and boot into the windowing environment?
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