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[0:55] <msthe_student> How do I install the vcan module?
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[1:06] <PhonikG> ? vcan ?
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[1:20] <msthe_student> vcan: Virtual CAN
[1:20] <msthe_student> it's to CANBUS what vlan is to LAN
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[1:22] <PhonikG> ah i see
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[1:24] <msthe_student> it seems to be in centos by standard and refered to in the kernel docs, but I see no reference to it in raspbian or debian docs
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[1:31] <InitX> I
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[1:33] <InitX> I had worte a bash scripts and put it into rc.S. is there any way to keep this scripts unreadable from others
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[1:35] <InitX> when use VIM to edit a file it can use encryption key ,if I encryption the rc.S file does shell can running it?
[1:35] <msthe_student> InitX: chmod 700 "filename"
[1:38] <InitX> msthe_student, if you give a file 700 permission then it still can readable from other system
[1:53] <msthe_student> Sure? 700 should only give you read access
[1:56] <plugwash> and root
[1:57] <plugwash> and anyone who pulls the card out and puts it into another system where they have root
[1:57] <plugwash> It's a pretty tricky problem to let a computer access something without letting a person who has physical access to that computer access it
[1:58] <plugwash> encryption only marginally helps because you need to put the key somewhere
[2:01] <msthe_student> but root can always read it, as long as you don't encrypt
[2:02] <msthe_student> one thing you could do would be to have a reference in rcS to a file in /tmp that you decrypt on boot
[2:04] <plugwash> then where do you store the encyrption key..............
[2:04] <msthe_student> seperate file system or something
[2:05] <plugwash> as I said it's a tricky problem, you can build up layers of obfuscation but ultimately allowing something to be used automatically but not allowing it to be read by people is easier said than done
[2:05] <msthe_student> The problem is that raspberry pi doesn't support chain-of-trust boot
[2:06] <msthe_student> nor encrypted boot
[2:08] <msthe_student> btw. is there something like a patchconfig, to apply patches from diffconfig (.config for kernel)?
[2:08] <csrockstar> I'm trying to give static ip address to raspberry pi (to use it as web server), while my router has dhcp address range. How can I set it up?
[2:10] <msthe_student> csrockstar: What's your dhcp range? The easy way is just to setup a reservation on your router
[2:10] <csrockstar> 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.249
[2:11] <csrockstar> msthe_student: 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.249
[2:11] <msthe_student> First you have to disable dhcp for eth0
[2:12] <csrockstar> msthe_student: can you show me the content of interfaces and other files that needs to be changed
[2:12] <msthe_student> http://elinux.org/RPi_Setting_up_a_static_IP_in_Debian
[2:14] <csrockstar> I'm also setting up auto connect to certain wifi, so in that case shouldn't it also include ssid and password?
[2:14] <csrockstar> msthe_student: I'm also setting up auto connect to certain wifi, so in that case shouldn't it also include ssid and password? csrockstar
[2:15] <msthe_student> Yes, but you shouldn't run a server on wifi
[2:15] <msthe_student> atleast I think it should contain ssid then
[2:16] <csrockstar> yes
[2:17] <csrockstar> msthe_student: yes
[2:18] <csrockstar> msthe_student: and also I'm setting static ip in wlan
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[2:52] <csrockstar> why can't I ssh Rpi in same network of router?
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[3:41] <lost_soul> csrockstar_: you got me. Why can't you?
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[3:42] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: It showed in attached devices in router admin. But I can't ping/ssh Rpi
[3:43] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: I'm still trying to figure out what its not working. Help appreciate!
[3:43] <lost_soul> have you logged in directly to the pi to ensure you actually have network capabilities
[3:44] <lost_soul> can you ssh to other machines on the same network
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[3:44] <lost_soul> are you using wifi or hardwired ethernet?
[3:44] <lost_soul> etc, etc
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[3:59] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: haredwired
[4:00] <lost_soul> csrockstar_: okay, and the other answers to the questions posed are?
[4:01] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: I don't have external monitor, so I can't login directly to rpi
[4:02] <lost_soul> so really you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the networking is even working on the pi other than the fact it shows up in 'attached devices' in the router admin page
[4:03] <lost_soul> if memory serves you need to enable ssh for that to be started. As for why you cannot ping the pi I really haven't a clue. Maybe try changing cables?
[4:05] <csrockstar_> everything was working, before
[4:06] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: everything was working, before I changed my interfaces file settings
[4:07] <methuzla> csrockstar: sounds like you'll need to hook up a monitor to trouble shoot further
[4:07] <methuzla> too bad your wired connection isn't even working now.
[4:08] <lost_soul> methuzla: couldn't he mount the sdcard as RW on another machine and change the interfaces file back to what it was?
[4:09] <lost_soul> csrockstar_: it would have been quicker had you said that rather than simply that you can't ping or ssh to your pi. Knowing it was working before you changed a file makes all the difference.
[4:09] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: you are right, realized it late
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[4:14] <lost_soul> csrockstar_: do you have a linux machine handy or do you use Microsoft Windows, just curious
[4:15] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: I have a dual boot laptop
[4:17] <lost_soul> csrockstar_: you could try to mount the filesystem on the sdcard as RW on your laptop and edit the interfaces file you did before to correct whatever problem their is.
[4:18] <lost_soul> I cannot tell you for certain that this will work though. I've only edited basic files such as the config.txt and similar on a different machine which indeed worked but that isn't to say that editing the file you need to will.
[4:21] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: I mounted it in windows, it just showed cmdline.txt etc file. I couldn't find interfaces files
[4:22] <lost_soul> csrockstar_: only /boot is a fat file system. The file system you'll need to mount is ext4 which will need to be mounted in linux, hence the question.
[4:22] <csrockstar_> lost_soul: Alright I will test it in linux, and will let you know
[4:22] <lost_soul> gl
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[4:41] <csrockstar> lost_soul: methuzla rolled back the interfaces file, the internet is working fine now. I think I screwed up some settings while I tried to make its ip static
[4:42] <lost_soul> nice
[4:43] <csrockstar> atleast now I know, what do to if I screw up settings. Thanks. Now, I will try to work in the main goal, to make it static
[4:43] <lost_soul> csrockstar: you can either try to make it use a static ip as you have already or you could use the router to assign it an ip by MAC address if that is easier
[4:43] <lost_soul> this way if you move it to another network DHCP would still work as well
[4:44] <lost_soul> right
[4:44] <csrockstar> lost_soul: yah I guess this will be easier work around.
[4:46] <methuzla> so you're back to wired working, but wifi still not?
[4:46] <csrockstar> methuzla: I'm guessing wifi is also working, lemme check
[4:49] <csrockstar> methuzla: wifi is also working but its dhcp, as soon as I unplug eth cable, wlan ip changed to different ip. So strange.
[4:54] <methuzla> sounds like it's forcing the wlan to renegotiate with the dhcp server for some reason
[4:55] <lost_soul> I've never used wireless but yes, unplugging the hardwired ethernet resulting in your wifi ip changing seems rather odd
[4:55] <lost_soul> will it really be an issue though? I'm assuming you'll be using one or the other and not both, right?
[4:58] <csrockstar> lost_soul: right, I will just use one. So, I think now I can just direct dns to my modem ip. If rpi ip changes I just need to update reserved ip in router.
[4:58] <csrockstar> methuzla: yah, hopefully its wlan0 ip won't change much :)
[5:00] <methuzla> i might be behind on the issue, but why isn't static ip working?
[5:00] <lost_soul> csrockstar: if you have the router assign the ip to the pi based on MAC address the ip for the pi should always be the same (provided you always use whatever interface is associated with the MAC address0
[5:00] <lost_soul> )*
[5:00] <lost_soul> methuzla: you aren't behind on it, he really never specified. You arrived at the beginning of the conversation for the most part.
[5:00] <csrockstar> methuzla: I'm not sure. I removed couple of lines that looked irrelevant from the file. Like allow-hotplug wlan0 That could be one reason.
[5:01] <methuzla> if you've got it working with dhcp, then all the security stuff is working
[5:01] <csrockstar> methuzla: right, but I hardcoded ssid and password value in interfaces file.
[5:03] <csrockstar> methuzla: I will try it with static ip later. And if it works I'll let you know.
[5:05] <csrockstar> methuzla: lost_soul I hope there was some safe shutdown button in raspberry pi, incase I lose connection with Rpi
[5:08] <csrockstar> lost_soul: methuzla thanks guys for the help. :)
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[5:17] <lost_soul> csrockstar: np, glad you sorted it out
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[9:43] <hgth> Hi. I’ve got the raspbian .img file. How do I get it onto my SD card? Just copy? Using UNetbootin?
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[9:45] <gordonDrogon> hgth, follow the instructions here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md
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[9:56] <lordievader> Good morning o/
[9:56] <hgth> gordonDrogon: I’ll look into that, thanks
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[11:17] <hgth> I dd-ed a raspbian image onto my SD card, plugged the cables but the screen remains black. Both LED (red + green) are steady on. How can I find out what’s wrong?
[11:18] <hgth> Or: How long can it actually take the Pi to boot for the first time?
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> hgth, should boot in seconds. I'd take the SD card back to the Linux box and see if you can mount the first partition, then the 2nd.
[11:29] <lazy_prince> hgth: you could also check if your card is known to have any issues with pi.
[11:30] <hgth> gordonDrogon: Strangely, I only see one partition. So that’s the problem. Something went wrong dd-ing. I’ll restart then
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> the key thing is to dd to the raw disk not a partition on the disk (SD)
[11:31] <hgth> gordonDrogon: My command is: sudo dd bs=4M if=2014-09-09-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdc
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> that ought to do it (assuming /dev/sdc is the SD card)
[11:32] <hgth> I’m running it right now, but it takes some time on my machine… I’ll see.
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> I'd try this: put SD in, zero partition table (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1M count=8; sync ) then pop it out, then back in again
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> thinking you might have had some auto-mount thing running that could have interfered - possibly - who knows, but a zero partition table will stop that happening.
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[11:48] <hgth> After dd-ing the image to my card (it created 2 partitions this time) I end up with a lot of unused space at the end of the card. How can I use it?
[11:56] <hgth> oh great, it asks me on first boot
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[20:45] <Xiguanda> hola
[20:45] <plugwash> hi
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[21:09] <diederik> plugwash: are you using reprepro for the raspbian archive?
[21:10] <diederik> I want to experiment setting up my own apt archive, so might as well use one that's known to work
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[21:21] <plugwash> yeah we use reprepro
[21:21] <diederik> ok, thanks
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[21:52] * gordonDrogon will look into that too as it's something I'm thinking of for my projects..
[21:53] <TheSnide> reprepro ?
[21:54] <TheSnide> oh, it's for having one's PPA-like repo
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> anything that will allow punters to apt-get stuff easier than fetching a .deb and dpkg -i it.
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[22:00] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: bah... nowadays users do some "curl github.com | sudo sh" anyway :)
[22:00] <diederik> gordonDrogon: that's exactly one of my purposes for it
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> TheSnide, you've no idea the amount of hassle I've had from people who can't install wiringPi )-:
[22:02] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: i think i have an idea. /me is involved in a project who's main motto is "ease of install" :-D
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is great - it's opened the world of easy computing up to millions now - but there's a small percentage who don't/won't/can't read simple instructions )-:
[22:03] <TheSnide> but, as much as you try the process being foolproof, the universe makes some fooler-fools :)
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> better fools...
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[22:03] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: it always comes down to "where should I click ?" :)
[22:04] <diederik> "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
[22:04] <diederik> bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
[22:04] <diederik> bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> had one poor guy today who was typing in the C function prototypes on a page into a shell. maybe not his fault, but who knows...
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> he's found my pages for installing the PiGlow before finding Pimoronis!
[22:04] <TheSnide> diederik: that's the quote i was trying to rememeber ! thx
[22:04] <diederik> thought so ;)
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> ah well zed time here
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> be seeing you..
[22:05] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: had to shove my i2c project to the side...
[22:05] <diederik> gordonDrogon: feel free to share notes about your reprepro experiences ;)
[22:06] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: or your fools experiences :-D
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