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[1:21] <peetbog> .
[1:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> .,
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[1:41] <droid909> ...
[1:43] <diederik> ....
[1:44] <tinti> hi, looks like Clang is now able to produce a working kernel for Raspberry Pi. Anyone willing to try? I am not pasting the link here but if you do please ping me.
[1:44] <droid909> tinti: you are the combo breaker!
[1:44] <tinti> .....
[1:44] <tinti> sorry
[1:45] <droid909> :)
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[1:45] <tinti> droid909: willing to try?
[1:45] <droid909> tinti: what is this?
[1:45] <droid909> tinti: are you compiling your own kernel?
[1:45] <droid909> tinti: and want us to try it?
[1:46] <tinti> Normally Raspberry Pi kernel is built with gcc but this one is built with Clang instead.
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[1:46] <tinti> Linux kernel uses gcc by default but there is a on going project to make it also compatible with clang. I contribute to this project.
[1:47] <tinti> Before we had problems with the USB on pi but now it seems to be working fine. Could you test it also for me?
[1:47] <droid909> tinti: try #raspberrypi also, it looks more active
[1:47] <droid909> much more active
[1:48] <tinti> hum true!
[1:48] <droid909> tinti: i have only one rpi, and it is currently serving stuff, sorry
[1:48] <tinti> np
[1:51] <tinti> I think most of people are sleeping now
[1:51] <tinti> lol
[1:51] <droid909> tinti: or drunk
[1:52] <tinti> drunk indeed
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[1:53] <droid909> tinti: btw, do you know what ffmpeg is, i need to stream my webcam to an iphone's safari, i can't figure out which params must i use
[1:53] <tinti> ah
[1:54] <tinti> there is a package on debian for doing that
[1:54] <tinti> it is easier
[1:54] <droid909> tinti: so it will generate command line options?
[1:57] <tinti> apt-get install
[1:57] <tinti> and you will get a webinterface with it
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[2:06] <tinti> I have when I dont find a package that I have installed once
[2:06] <tinti> sight
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[2:10] <tinti> droid909: try apt-get install motion
[2:10] <tinti> :)
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[4:22] <droid909> guys, why kernels header are installed in 3.12-1-rpi and not in 3.12.28+ as uname -r tells?
[4:22] <droid909> guys, why kernel headers are installed in 3.12-1-rpi and not in 3.12.28+ as uname -r tells?
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[11:40] <heller_> hmm
[11:41] <heller_> raspbian would be awesome to control my amplifier
[11:41] <heller_> just to connect power button on :p
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[11:42] <MasterElectron> get a I2c variable resistor and control the volume as well
[11:43] <heller_> oooh youre awesome i think?
[11:43] <heller_> but the problem is, that i think the amp uses something else to control volume
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[11:44] <MasterElectron> No impossible the two most common ways are a resistor or an rotary encoder
[11:44] <heller_> but i sure need to get one
[11:44] <MasterElectron> both can be simulated/controled by a pi
[11:44] <heller_> rotary encoder is what i was saying :p
[11:45] <MasterElectron> Rotary is probabaly the easy one, get a I2C port expander chip from MICROCHIP
[11:45] <MasterElectron> and generate the typical gray code output
[11:46] <MasterElectron> via opto couplers!
[11:46] <heller_> if i would just handle the amp power on/off i'd be glad :D
[11:46] <heller_> but i am interested on the i2c variable resistor
[11:46] <MasterElectron> one IO pin and a opt could do that, come to think of it
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[11:47] <MasterElectron> 3 IO's and 3 optos may be capable of handeling the volume as well without the port expander
[11:48] <MasterElectron> rotarys most often only use 2 signals
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[11:48] <heller_> can you suggest me a i2c variable resistor?
[11:49] <MasterElectron> is Plugwash on line?
[11:50] <MasterElectron> Hi Peter, its Eric Maasdorp
[11:50] <heller_> and someone if someone could suggest me a relay for rpi
[11:51] <MasterElectron> Best use a transistor BC108/ BC534 to drive any 5v compatible relay < 40 ma coil current draw/sink
[11:52] <MasterElectron> Hi Peter have a further question about FTPSYNC
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[11:53] <MasterElectron> Mostly about the _all group of packages
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[11:57] <MasterElectron> Hi heller try this http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/37270/selecting-the-right-relay
[11:57] <plugwash> hmm, am I supposed to know you?
[11:58] <MasterElectron> Sorry ! you approved an post on the rpi forum about ftpsync
[11:59] <MasterElectron> and to answer the question, no.
[11:59] <plugwash> I approve a lot of posts........... what's the question?
[12:01] <MasterElectron> Sorry again! do you know if the *_all category of packages in the archive are a match for the *_all ones in the debian main archive
[12:01] <MasterElectron> The reason I am asking is that the *_all archive is 96 G
[12:02] <MasterElectron> and copying the debian *_all over to the local copy of raspbian before syncing could drasticaly reduce network load
[12:03] <MasterElectron> I am allready synch the I386 archive!
[12:03] <plugwash> Arch all packages in raspbian will mostly match debian, there will be some packages where we have either an older version or a locally modified version
[12:04] <MasterElectron> Ok then a local copy from debian mirror to raspbian would work, will give it a try.
[12:05] <MasterElectron> Do you know of the raspbian 'armhf' archive matches the debian 'armhf'
[12:06] <MasterElectron> if
[12:06] <plugwash> no it doesn't, that's kinda the whole point of raspbian
[12:07] <plugwash> same cpu family and ABI (hence same dpkg architecture name), different minimum CPU requirements
[12:08] <MasterElectron> Thought so! was being hopefull it took 8 days to sync a new debian mirror, so every file I don need to tx over the net would have be greate.
[12:09] <droid909> guys, why kernel headers are installed in 3.12-1-rpi and not in 3.12.28+ as uname -r tells?
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[12:11] <plugwash> droid909, you are running a raspberry pi foundation kernel which they unfortunately don't provide a headers package for :(
[12:11] <plugwash> The headers in the linux-headers-3.12-1-rpi package go with the kernel in the linux-image-3.12-1-rpi package
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[12:12] <droid909> plugwash: what version of raspbian should i download to have kernel headers that match the kernel?
[12:12] <droid909> plugwash: i need a kenel module compiled ...
[12:13] <MasterElectron> Thanks Plugwash need to leave. will be back late
[12:13] <droid909> plugwash: or should i download a certain kernel sources with the headers and change my current kernel?
[12:14] <plugwash> if you want a kernel to match the headers then install linux-image-3.12-1-rpi and then edit your config.txt to boot it
[12:17] <droid909> plugwash: got it, like this apt-get install linux-image-3.12-1-rpi ?
[12:17] <plugwash> mmm
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[12:20] <droid909> i don't have to compile the kernes as all usualy do with other distros?
[12:20] <droid909> non rpi distros
[12:25] <heller_> btw MasterElectron, i am quite interested on doing volume control too. but im not too familiar with rotary encoders
[12:27] <heller_> MasterElectron: why those transistors? i've got bunch of bc576 or something
[12:27] <heller_> 547 maybe?
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[12:27] <heller_> afaik they have Hfe 100
[12:28] <heller_> so i could take 3mA from GPIO and use any relay basically
[12:29] <heller_> just wondering, on should i use arduino or raspberry with the amplifier
[12:29] <tinti> hi droid909
[12:29] <heller_> problem is that i cant have any cabling between pc and amp
[12:29] <heller_> so rpi with wlan would be awesome
[12:31] <droid909> tinti: hey :D
[12:31] <tinti> have you tried motion?
[12:31] <droid909> how do i install a kernel, just add kernel=vmlinuz-3.12-1-rpi into /boot/config.txt
[12:32] <droid909> tinti: yes, thank you, i figuered out that i need real video and not jpegs
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[12:32] <droid909> tinti: after i'll install a new kernel and compile a module for it, i'll try ffmpeg,
[12:33] <droid909> tinti: you heard, raspbian doesn' provide kernel headers for curren kernel ....
[12:33] <droid909> ?
[12:33] <droid909> how could they do such a thing
[12:34] <droid909> i spent the whole day yesterday trying to compile a kernel module ....
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[12:34] <droid909> with "current" (metapackage) headers
[12:35] <tinti> droid909: it is quite hard to believe
[12:36] <droid909> tinti: thats what plugwash said
[12:37] <plugwash> please do not blame raspbian for problems with raspberry pi foundation packages and images
[12:38] <tinti> plugwash: so there is no dkms on rpi?
[12:38] <droid909> plugwash: i don't blame, i jsut sad
[12:38] <droid909> just*
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[12:39] <plugwash> tinti, dkms exists and works fine with raspbian provided kernels, raspberry pi foundation provided kernels are another matter
[12:40] <tinti> ah
[12:40] <tinti> so raspbian provides the headers for raspbian kernels
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[12:41] <heller_> can someone give me a sample of a script to control i2c devices?
[12:41] <droid909> is initramfs by default? should i add something beside kernel=vmlinuz-3.12-1-rpi in my /boot/config.txt ?
[12:41] <droid909> tinti: ohh
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[12:42] <droid909> tinti: how do i use them? upon copilation it requires /lib/modules/3.12.28+/build dir
[12:43] <droid909> tinti: compilation on the module|driver
[12:43] <tinti> why dont you used the raspbian provided kernel?
[12:44] <droid909> tinti: i use
[12:44] <droid909> tinti: i was about to change
[12:44] <tinti> right what do you want to build?
[12:44] <droid909> tinti: to match the headers i got via apt-get
[12:44] <droid909> tinti: v4l2loopback
[12:45] <droid909> tinti: https://github.com/umlaeute/v4l2loopback
[12:46] <plugwash> droid909, installing the linux-image-3.12-1-rpi should generate an initrd, I don't think it's strictly needed in most boot scenarios though
[12:46] <tinti> install dkms and them try (dkms will download all dependencies you need)
[12:46] <tinti> them this tutorial should work
[12:46] <Lambda_Aurigae> MasterElectron, if it uses a rotary encoder then it is likely using that to ultimately control a digital-pot.
[12:46] <droid909> tinti: won't changing the kernel be easyer?
[12:46] <droid909> tinti: it is one line in config.txt, no?
[12:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> MasterElectron, or as you call it, an i2c variable resistor.
[12:47] <plugwash> tinti, stop confusing him
[12:47] <droid909> tinti: because i have build dir here: /lib/modules/3.12-1-rpi/build
[12:47] <tinti> plugwash: sorry but I was really trying to help I did not get the whole problem
[12:47] <plugwash> tinti, he is currently running a raspberry pi foundation kernel and trying to swtich to a raspbian kernel so he can build his module, dkms will not work with a rasberry pi foundation kernel
[12:48] <tinti> yes I know but he said he would switch. dont he?
[12:48] <plugwash> he did but you were implying he could use dkms without switching
[12:49] <droid909> right
[12:49] <tinti> plugwash: sorry if I meant that ... you cant
[12:50] <droid909> so i just add kernel=vmlinuz-3.12-1-rpi in my /boot/config.txt and i switched?
[12:50] <tinti> You will either need to recompile your own kernel from source or using raspbian kernel
[12:50] <tinti> yes
[12:50] <droid909> tinti: i got one via apt-get install linux-image-3.12-1-rpi
[12:50] <plugwash> droid909, and rebooted of course..............
[12:50] <tinti> but you have to have
[12:50] <tinti> it on your /boot/ partition too
[12:51] <tinti> oops
[12:51] <tinti> in the FAT32 partition
[12:52] <droid909> ok, i'll just try just adding kernel=vmlinuz-3.12-1-rpi if it doesn't work i can use my cardreader to change it ...
[12:52] <droid909> if it won't*
[12:56] <droid909> what does this mean: initramfs initrd.img-3.12-1-rpi followkernel
[12:56] <droid909> >
[12:56] <droid909> ?
[12:56] <droid909> i'm folowing this topic http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=65209
[12:58] <droid909> tinti: and it didn't boot, though i have vmlinuz-3.12-1-rpi in my boot partion (witch is also fat32 one)
[12:59] <droid909> ok let me add this initramfs initrd.img-3.12-1-rpi followkernel
[13:00] <plugwash> that line loads the initrd, i'm not sure if followkernel does anything anymore, afaict it was originally something you could put instead of specifying an address so the bootloader would automatically figure out where to load the initrd but afiact nowadays you can just use initramfs <initrd name> and get the same affect
[13:01] <tinti> raspberrypi users initrd?
[13:04] <plugwash> it can use an initrd, whether one is needed depends on what kernel you are using, what your rootfs is on etc
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[15:55] <feliks> hey guys. my pulse audio starts two times and then has problems playing audio
[15:55] <feliks> when i start speaker-test nothing happens
[15:55] <feliks> but when i start mpg123 afterwards it works
[15:55] <feliks> but only for a short time
[16:00] <feliks> how can i make pulseaudio start only one time?
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[16:53] <lost_soul> feliks: have you tried a reboot.. maybe something glitched?
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[18:17] <feliks> lost_soul: well after restarting there is only one left
[18:17] <feliks> but the behaviour remains the same
[18:17] <feliks> maybe this has to do with something else
[18:17] <feliks> im using RTP to stream music via mpd to the raspi
[18:17] <feliks> using that setup with a desktop machine works fine
[18:18] <lost_soul> when you are playing audio only one instance of pulse is showing now?
[18:18] <feliks> lost_soul: yes
[18:18] <feliks> only one instance
[18:18] <lost_soul> that is a start, anyways
[18:18] <feliks> but i have to order two commands invoking sound to start the audio
[18:19] <feliks> lets say i start "mpg123 something.mpg" it just waits
[18:19] <lost_soul> feliks: I've never done what you're trying to do but you can't really compare it working on laptop to working on pi.. different architectures so the packages may have been built with different options/switches
[18:19] <feliks> if i start the same thing from another console both start to play (nearly) at the same time
[18:20] <feliks> lost_soul: hmmmm... ok
[18:20] <lost_soul> feliks: if you don't mind, perhaps try this
[18:20] <feliks> i though raspbian and debian had mostly the same build flags
[18:20] <lost_soul> disable the streaming media stuff completely and kill off any services they use.. try to stream locally from the pi
[18:20] <lost_soul> see if you still experience an issue
[18:21] <lost_soul> that should give you a better indication if the problem lies with pulse or elsewhere
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[18:32] <feliks> thanks for the tip
[18:33] <feliks> well it gets a little strange... seems like i get about 50-100% packet loss when the rtp setup is running
[18:33] <feliks> i dont know if this is the fault of mpd or pulseaudio or just a regular saturday evening wifi problem
[18:34] <lost_soul> right, well doing away with the networking stuff and extra software will give you a better indication of where the problem actually exists
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[18:40] <feliks> lost_soul: thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[18:40] <feliks> turns out that mpd uses too much bandwidth with ip multicast rtp
[18:40] <feliks> kind of blocking wifi clients
[18:40] <lost_soul> can you try it with a hardwired connection?
[18:41] <feliks> lost_soul: the pi has a lan cable
[18:41] <feliks> and im plugging it in and out from my laptop for debug purposes
[18:41] <feliks> but the pi seems to be to slow to decompress the stream
[18:41] <lost_soul> ah
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[18:42] <lost_soul> you could try to overclock it slightly, I certainly wouldn't go overboard with it though
[18:42] <lost_soul> a lot of people bump it to 800mhz
[18:42] * lost_soul has never overclocked so can't say anything further on that topic
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[18:45] <feliks> hehe well it seems to be running the gui a lil bit faster
[18:45] <feliks> but the audio still is stuck
[18:45] <feliks> think ill have to fiddle with mpds streaming settings
[18:46] <feliks> and how pulseaudio on the pi is decoding it
[18:46] <feliks> there seems to be a trivial and some other decoder
[18:46] <feliks> thanks for the help though lost_soul :)
[18:46] <lost_soul> anytime, good luck with it
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[22:09] <lapide_viridi> How do I remove the need of the sudo command? I'm making my Raspberry into a server for WordPress, but I can't upload images or remove content.
[22:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> have to give permission to the user that runs wordpress.
[22:14] <lapide_viridi> How? As far as I know, it's the default user.
[22:15] <Lambda_Aurigae> I know nothing about wordpress. never used it.
[22:15] <Lambda_Aurigae> your question is more of a wordpress issue than an rPI issue really.
[22:17] <lapide_viridi> Oh, but I think it has to be issues with the permissions on the raspberry. Server data is stored under /var/www/, which needs superuser access to alter.
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[22:19] <Lambda_Aurigae> what user does the wordpress app run under?
[22:19] <Lambda_Aurigae> you need to give that user permission to write to /var/www most likely.
[22:20] <Lambda_Aurigae> generally by adding that user to whatever group has write permission to that folder.
[22:21] <lapide_viridi> It runs under the default user pi.
[22:22] <Lambda_Aurigae> so make the folder writeable by pi
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[22:23] <Lambda_Aurigae> http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/26045/how-do-i-get-the-right-permissions-for-wordpress-running-apache-on-debian
[22:23] <Lambda_Aurigae> the answer in there seems to be saying the same thing I am.
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[22:24] <Lambda_Aurigae> add pi to the www-data group and set permissions to 770 for directories and 660 for files.
[22:24] <Lambda_Aurigae> or just set everything to 777 and forget security entirely.
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[22:25] <lapide_viridi> Done that since day one.
[22:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> which?
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[22:26] <- *mpmc* I'm not here at the moment, your message has been logged and I'll get back to you when I can / %
[22:26] <lapide_viridi> The part about security.
[22:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> chmod -R 777 /var/www
[22:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> ?
[22:27] <lapide_viridi> Ah, so it was chmod after all! Thanks!
[22:27] <Lambda_Aurigae> that's how you change permissions on linux.
[22:27] <methuzla> sudo chmod ...
[22:27] <Lambda_Aurigae> well, yeah
[22:27] <Lambda_Aurigae> I just sudo bash then run everything I need as root then exit.
[22:27] <lapide_viridi> Reboot required?
[22:28] <Lambda_Aurigae> restarting wordpress maybe
[22:28] <Lambda_Aurigae> not knowing anything about how wordpress works, no clue. dunno if you need to restart wordpress or apache or what.
[22:29] <Lambda_Aurigae> generally changing file permissions shouldn't require a restart of anything I would think.
[22:30] <methuzla> sounds like a basic wordpress config + permissions issue
[22:30] <Lambda_Aurigae> does sound like such...but I have never used wordpress so no clue what needs to be done beyond what I posted already.
[22:31] <lapide_viridi> Well, all I need now is a keyboard shortcut to open the terminal so I can find my IP.
[22:31] <lapide_viridi> The mouse's battery died, again.
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[22:31] <Lambda_Aurigae> ctrl-alt-f1
[22:32] <lapide_viridi> Bless you
[22:32] <Lambda_Aurigae> I didn't sneeze.
[22:32] <Lambda_Aurigae> and I'm an atheist.
[22:33] <lapide_viridi> You and me both
[22:34] <lapide_viridi> What exactly did you just make me do? The desktop dissapeared and I was promted to login.
[22:34] <Lambda_Aurigae> switched you to terminal 1
[22:34] <Lambda_Aurigae> to get back to the gui is ctrl-alt-f7
[22:34] <Lambda_Aurigae> f1 through f6 are terminals you can log into without gui.
[22:35] <lapide_viridi> Fantastic
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[22:35] <lapide_viridi> Switching network now, brb.
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[22:58] <lapide_viridi> Lambda_Aurigae, it worked. Thanks a lot!
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[23:16] <Lambda_Aurigae> I helped?
[23:16] <Lambda_Aurigae> dangit!
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[23:16] <Lambda_Aurigae> that was meant to cause the machine to crash and catch fire.
[23:17] <Lambda_Aurigae> must try harder next time.
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