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[0:00] <Cprossu> I'm not talking about the pi. did you get the wifi adapt as a part of a kit?
[0:00] <pycoderf> no. but i ordered 2 of the exact same adapters att he same time
[0:00] <pycoderf> though
[0:00] <pycoderf> ii noticed something else just now
[0:00] <pycoderf> i copied the repo from my oldest pi but it cannot find raspi-config
[0:00] <pycoderf> or rpi-update
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[0:50] <klem> https://www.wifipineapple.com/?downloads
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[1:26] <pycoderf> anyone know why raspi-config and rpi-update are not in the repos anymore?
[1:28] <shiftplusone> they are
[1:28] <shiftplusone> you're probably looking in the raspbian.org repo rather than raspberrypi.org
[1:30] <pycoderf> so this is accurrate based on my sources.list HOWEVER one pi shows them using raspbian.org but not the otehr
[1:31] <pycoderf> what is the rpo look like for raspberry pi .org
[1:31] <shiftplusone> hm? rpo?
[1:32] <pycoderf> repo
[1:32] <pycoderf> sorry
[1:32] <pycoderf> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ testing main contrib non-free rpi
[1:32] <pycoderf> works fine on one pi but not the other
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[1:33] <shiftplusone> idn, you're doing something exotic and I don't know how you got to where you are. But the tools you mentioned were always raspberrypi.org things
[1:33] <shiftplusone> deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main
[1:33] <pycoderf> false on exotic. one is real raspbian install the other minimal and repo file copied over
[1:34] <pycoderf> root@raspberrypi:~# apt-cache search raspi-config
[1:34] <pycoderf> raspi-config - Simple configuration for Raspberry Pi
[1:35] <pycoderf> root@pi:~# apt-cache search raspi-config
[1:35] <pycoderf> root@pi:~#
[1:35] <pycoderf> different machines same repos
[1:36] <pycoderf> i guess i can try it your way
[1:36] <shiftplusone> did you copy sourced.list.d as well or just sources.list?
[1:36] <pycoderf> sources.list
[1:37] <shiftplusone> the raspberrypi-specific stuff is in sources.list.d
[1:38] <pycoderf> oh crap i see now. and it has main when i use testing for raspbian.org
[1:38] <pycoderf> good call
[1:39] <pycoderf> Err http://archive.raspberrypi.org testing/main armhf Packages
[1:39] <pycoderf> 404 Not Found [IP: 93.93.128.230 80]
[1:39] <shiftplusone> wheezy
[1:39] <pycoderf> shiftplusone: should that only be wheezy or can i use testing there too
[1:39] <shiftplusone> yup, just wheezy
[1:40] <pycoderf> also i have another question
[1:41] <pycoderf> wifi does not work on this system. always claims network is down
[1:41] <pycoderf> HOWEVER another pi with the same hardware and config works fine. in addition wpa-keyhen for encrypted psk does not seem to work on either device
[1:41] <pycoderf> ideas?
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[1:49] <shiftplusone> Currently using this method https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK
[1:49] <shiftplusone> no problems so far
[1:50] <pycoderf> shiftplusone: yes i tried that also plain text psk and no luck
[1:50] <pycoderf> on this particular system it keep stelling me system is down even with a working wifi adapter from another pit
[1:50] <pycoderf> pi
[1:50] * shiftplusone shrugs
[1:51] <pycoderf> half wondering if a missing package but unsure what it owuld be. i do have wpasupplicant installed
[1:52] <pycoderf> maybe quotes let me try
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[1:58] <pycoderf> and now broken firmware
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[2:00] <shiftplusone> yay
[2:01] <pycoderf> so weird that retropi based onr aspbian has the right firmware but not this one
[2:01] <pycoderf> i used a minimal install
[2:01] <pycoderf> now to determine the needed package
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[2:01] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi-bootloader
[2:01] <pycoderf> ?
[2:02] <shiftplusone> the package containing the firmware
[2:02] <shiftplusone> the 'official' firmware
[2:02] <shiftplusone> official in the sense that it comes from the raspberry pi foundation and is tested and deemed stable by them.
[2:03] <pycoderf> hm that may be it. though i did run rpi-update
[2:03] <pycoderf> i should nto need raspberrypi-artwork for a console only setup right
[2:03] <shiftplusone> rpi-update is the 'I don't know what I'm doing' approach
[2:03] <shiftplusone> (don't run rpi-update)
[2:03] <pycoderf> got it
[2:03] <shiftplusone> nope, you shouldn't need the artwork
[2:04] <pycoderf> excellent
[2:04] <pycoderf> the minimal is nice in many cases but needs some work
[2:04] <pycoderf> if i could figure out post install i could just have t install the needed items
[2:04] <shiftplusone> are you talking about raspbian-ua-netinstall?
[2:04] <pycoderf> yes
[2:05] <shiftplusone> there's logic behind it, but it's... not what most pi users would expect.
[2:05] <pycoderf> seems easier than the official raspbian and rip[ing parts out. i still find crap on my years old pi i can remove
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[2:06] <pycoderf> oh i see the line i need
[2:06] <shiftplusone> pycoderf, probably because you're not aware of the apt history file where you can see the list of things that were installed.
[2:06] <shiftplusone> so you can take the official image, look at that file and remove everything that you don't need quite easily
[2:06] <shiftplusone> but yeah, ua-netinstall makes more sense if you know what you're doing
[2:07] <pycoderf> which i am not new to linux but i primarily work on red hat stuff
[2:07] <pycoderf> though fedora is so bloated even after removing allt he gui stuff the load stays high
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[2:15] <pycoderf> shiftplusone: i just installed the bootloader but still seems to not be loading firmware for my wifi adapter
[2:15] <pycoderf> did i miss a step
[2:15] <shiftplusone> oh, that's different
[2:15] <shiftplusone> I thought you were talking about the pi's firmware
[2:15] <pycoderf> oh no
[2:15] <shiftplusone> whoops >.>
[2:15] <pycoderf> the wifi which is working on my retrope setup
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[2:17] <pycoderf> i see some people have to compile them but i did not on my other system so unsure why this is so different
[2:19] <pycoderf> haha firmware-ralink
[2:19] <pycoderf> even my pi with no wifi has it
[2:20] <pycoderf> shiftplusone: can you add multiple repos for the raspi-ua-netinst?
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[2:20] <pycoderf> documentation is unclear
[2:21] <shiftplusone> haven't used it in a while
[2:21] <shiftplusone> poke diederik
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[2:21] <pycoderf> i am heading to bed ina few i will try to tomorrow
[2:22] <pycoderf> now to turn this pi into a local apt repo and dns/dhcp
[2:23] <diederik> pycoderf: try 'ifconfig -a'
[2:23] <diederik> I'm guessing your non-working wlan adapter has wlan1 (or sth) and your config is probably for wlan0
[2:23] <pycoderf> diederik: oh i meant a server for my network
[2:24] <pycoderf> and no it was missing a firmware package so i added it in to the installer-cnfig.txt
[2:24] <pycoderf> diederik: is there a way to have it use multiple repos during install?
[2:24] * diederik reads the parts I haven't read yet ...
[2:24] <pycoderf> diederik: i needed some packages from the raspberrypi.org repo bnot just raspbian and it was an easy miss
[2:25] <pycoderf> so i would like to add it to my installer config
[2:25] <diederik> the packages parameter only installs from raspbian.org main (iirc)
[2:25] <diederik> but you surely could do it in post-install.txt
[2:26] <pycoderf> that is what it seems, hense asking about having a secod be specified, what is the format of post-install
[2:26] <pycoderf> documentation i unclear
[2:27] <shiftplusone> I'm thinking you might want to read the source code of ua-netinstall. You're going to have a bad time if you don't understand how it works.
[2:27] <diederik> you can use post-install.txt to put your script in, example:
[2:27] <diederik> chroot /rootfs /usr/bin/apt-get -y install <mypackage>
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[2:28] <pycoderf> so the post-install.txt is just a bash script without the shebang?
[2:28] <diederik> not bash, but a sh script ('busybox sh' to be precise)
[2:29] <pycoderf> so in theory i could chroot /rootfs
[2:29] <pycoderf> then have lines to echo repos to the sources.list and an apt-get after?
[2:30] <diederik> yes, exactly
[2:30] <pycoderf> but it is rootfs not sysroot?
[2:30] <pycoderf> and post-install.txt goes into the same spot as install-config.txt
[2:31] <diederik> but the repos are already there and an 'apt-get update' is also performed: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L552
[2:31] <pycoderf> diederik: except one of my issues was i needed the raspberrypi.org repo not raspbian alone
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[2:31] <diederik> yes, it is rootfs and yes in the same spot as install-config.txt
[2:31] <diederik> check the link I just posted ;-)
[2:31] <pycoderf> hm your script has it in there BUT it did not persist on my system after install
[2:32] <diederik> that seems rather odd
[2:32] <pycoderf> it does indeed
[2:32] <pycoderf> wellt his is setup now
[2:33] <pycoderf> i do have the latest release (1.0.6)
[2:33] <diederik> on line 574 (and 584) you can also see examples of it (which you can use in post-install.txt)
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[2:34] <pycoderf> yeah inever got the bootloader
[2:35] <pycoderf> so had to install it after
[2:37] <pycoderf> thanks all!
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[2:38] <diederik> the netinstaller defaults to install raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel (from raspbian.org) and not the raspberrypi-bootloader (from raspberrypi.org) package
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[2:42] <diederik> anyone got suggestions for tools to read/parse/modify /boot/config.txt?
[2:46] <shiftplusone> sed =P
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[2:48] <diederik> ok, maybe I should dive into sed some more.
[2:49] <diederik> I was afraid that it wouldn't be powerful enough, so I started learning awk :-P
[2:49] <diederik> but it's not easy ;-)
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[3:23] <ShorTie> what cha trying to change if i can ask ??
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[3:26] <diederik> figuring out how to modify the kernel-update script
[3:27] <diederik> first it would 'blindly' replace the kernel/initramfs lines in /boot/config.txt but with the introduction of sections (like an ini file), that's no longer an option
[3:29] <shiftplusone> ah
[3:31] <ShorTie> you can use cat to add sections
[3:31] <diederik> so my current line of thinking is this: parse the file and create an array of all the sections and within each element create an array of the all the config elements within that section
[3:32] <shiftplusone> Sounds like a good opportunity to write a config.txt parser/editor tool
[3:33] <diederik> yeah, that's what I hope to accomplish with awk (or another 'essential' program)
[3:33] <ShorTie> sounds beyound my metal capacity, lol.
[3:33] <shiftplusone> C, like a pro.
[3:33] <diederik> There is a python class (ConfigParser/configparser) which can probably do most, but I can't assume python is available
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[3:34] <diederik> I can (mostly) read C code, but writing it is a whole different matter
[3:34] <shiftplusone> but yeah.... sounds like a pain.
[3:34] <ShorTie> gotta love which to check and install things
[3:36] <ShorTie> if you need it, you need it, install it, lol.
[3:36] <ShorTie> even if you gotta use git, hehe.
[3:36] <diederik> I think various users of the netinstaller wouldn't be too happy if I were to do that ;-)
[3:38] <ShorTie> of course which let me down on uuid-dev, had to find another way .. :/~
[3:38] <diederik> on the bright side: it is an interesting challange :-P
[3:39] <ShorTie> just tell them it's an adventure and kick back and relax
[3:39] <ShorTie> you only gotta do it once, hehe
[3:42] <diederik> the kernel-upgrade-script can run any number of times. And I have to keep in mind that a Pi1 kernel/initramfs can be installed in a Pi2 and vice versa, so that cuts out a number of other shortcuts
[3:46] <ShorTie> you getting into compiling your own kernel now ??
[3:48] <diederik> I've been experimenting with that too (QEMU), but that's separate from this
[3:48] <ShorTie> oh, ok
[3:48] <diederik> the kernel-upgrade-script get installed on the system, so if raspbian releases a new kernel it will be called (again)
[3:49] <ShorTie> that would be kinda intesive for net-install
[3:49] <ShorTie> doesn't apt-get do that ??
[3:50] <ShorTie> or rpi-update for most recite play
[3:50] <diederik> apt-get would call an kernel-update-script, yes. But there is no kernel-upgrade script for raspbian
[3:52] <diederik> rpi-update is not recommended for general use (although used like that a LOT)
[3:52] <diederik> And it takes a rather brute shortcut (imo)
[3:52] <ShorTie> hmmm, apt-get will pull in a update once pushed threw
[3:52] <ShorTie> into stable
[3:53] <diederik> indeed. But when a new kernel is installed, that means that /boot/config.txt needs to be updated for that new kernel
[3:53] <ShorTie> apt-get doesn't do that too ??
[3:53] <diederik> and that's exactly what the kernel-update script is supposed to do
[3:54] <diederik> apt-get itself has no knowledge of raspberry pi's /boot/config.txt
[3:55] <diederik> but if you place a file/script in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ then it will be called after a kernel upgrade
[3:55] <diederik> (by apt-get)
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[3:56] <ShorTie> i sortta think if it had to be updated some way to work, the foundation would figure it out
[3:56] <ShorTie> otherwize be kinda stupid to push it out, imho
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[3:58] <diederik> the rpf doesn't use an initramfs and a new kernel package overwrites kernel.img/kernel7.img which doesn't need configuration in /boot/config.txt
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[4:00] <ShorTie> ok, guess thats why i sortta like the foundation stuff
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[10:04] <leomeloxp> Hi guys, I think I've got a dead pi here. I've tried a few different memory cards in it and whenever it finishes booting it just hangs on the cli login and if I type the login deatils it stops responding. Could anyone help me diagnose it or at least make sure it's dead? =/ (I have 3 pis, 1 B, 1 B+ and a Pi2B, the troublesome one is the B+)
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[10:07] <nils_2> you already checked power supply?
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[10:09] <leomeloxp> Yes, I use the same power supply for every pione at a time of course) and the same system works flawlessly on the other 2
[10:09] <shiftplusone> that's not really a test. Have you measured the voltage and are also happy that the red LED doesn't flicker at all?
[10:09] <leomeloxp> And if I try to install a fresh Raspbian from NOOBS using the said Pi it will give an error uncompiling the tar file (can't remember the error exactly)
[10:10] <shiftplusone> Are you using the same SD card on all the pis?
[10:11] <leomeloxp> Not really, but I swapped the cards to test the B+ Pi system around
[10:11] <leomeloxp> My Pi1B runs Raspbmc and Pi2B runs Arch by default (not backwards compatible to the older 2)
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[10:14] <leomeloxp> Strange, after taking the card to the Pi2B and changing back it booted fine. I'm rebooting it again to double check
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[10:18] <leomeloxp> Okay, I started it again with my wi-fi dongle plugged in and it's hanging again. But the red light doesn't flicker at all
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[10:20] <leomeloxp> Yeah, it only hangs if I have the wifi dongle plugged in.
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[10:29] * Raspiguy10 is here!
[10:30] <Raspiguy10> in gnumeric, I cannot insert a pie chart
[10:30] <Raspiguy10> has anyone encountered this before?
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[10:35] <Raspiguy10> Any gnumeric users here?
[10:37] <teclo-> a pie in a Pi ? heh
[10:37] <Raspiguy10> Or not, as the case may be :-<
[10:38] <teclo-> perhaps you should ask on some gnumeric channel
[10:38] <Raspiguy10> Just tried, nobody there
[10:38] <teclo-> you know, gnumeric isn't specific to the Raspberry Pie
[10:38] <teclo-> ah
[10:38] <teclo-> are you sure you're on the right network for the channel ?
[10:38] <Raspiguy10> No, didn't think of that
[10:39] <teclo-> ah
[10:39] <teclo-> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnumeric/stable/sect-morehelp-irc.html.en
[10:39] <teclo-> you need to use the server irc.gimp.org
[10:39] <teclo-> you know /server irc.gimp.org
[10:39] <teclo-> and there you'll find folks
[10:39] <teclo-> well, you're most likely to
[10:40] <Raspiguy10> ty teclo-
[10:40] <teclo-> np
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[11:35] <cyball> hi i have a little problem with my raspbian 20150131-K3.19-rc5-raspbian-bpi-r1.img after installation I always get INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disable for 5 minutes
[11:37] <shiftplusone> That's a question for whoever made that image
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[11:41] <cyball> shiftplusone, i got the image from www.bananapi.com
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[11:42] <shiftplusone> right
[11:42] <cyball> shiftplusone, it it not a official build?
[11:43] <shiftplusone> tricky question since there are no 'official' builds made by the raspbian people.
[11:43] <shiftplusone> We, at raspberry pi, bootstrap raspbian and then tack our own stuff on top. As far as what the banana pi people do... that's a questions for someone who isn't me ;)
[11:43] <cyball> ok , thx for the info :-)
[11:47] <shiftplusone> good luck. stick around, maybe someone will wake up and chime in.
[11:47] <cyball> shiftplusone, thx :)
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[11:50] <Raspiguy10> In case anyone's interested, the gnumeric issue was just a ux misunderstanding.
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[11:50] <cyball> ok i found a support email ... only for information if anybody else needs help ... support@bananapi.com :-)
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[11:51] <Raspiguy10> It was in fact always able to insert charts, I just didn't understand that after clicking "Insert" I still had to click and drag to position the chart.
[11:52] <Raspiguy10> Next question now:
[11:53] <Raspiguy10> How can I drive a display at 1280x1024 over HDMI-to-DVI-D?
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[11:54] <Raspiguy10> I can only get 640x480, which is too small for lots of apps' dialogs.
[11:55] <Raspiguy10> The display's hw osd menu recommends 1280x1024
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[11:55] <Raspiguy10> xrandr swears blind that nothing but 640x480 is possible
[11:57] <Raspiguy10> Anybody using an HDMI-to-DVI-D cable with better output?
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[12:00] <Cprossu> Raspiguy10: I've got a hdmi->dvi cable working just fine @ 1280x1024
[12:01] <Cprossu> using the stock raspbian image on the rpi site with my rpi-2
[12:01] <Cprossu> perhaps there's something blocking your EDID info?
[12:01] <Cprossu> try with a different monitor and you might want to check the cable pinout itself
[12:04] <Raspiguy10> Cprossu, did you have to do anything to/with your Raspbian config?
[12:05] <Raspiguy10> Or did it just work first time?
[12:07] <Raspiguy10> Checking pinouts is probably beyond me, but I'll try another display.
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[12:11] <Cprossu> it worked the first time raspiguy10
[12:11] <sine0> Do you think the pi2 will be enough to run libreoffice
[12:11] <shiftplusone> He's gone
[12:11] <Cprossu> who isn't here anymore
[12:12] <Cprossu> yeah I know but it feels bad to just delete a comment :D
[12:12] <shiftplusone> heh
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[12:12] <shiftplusone> sine0, I can try it out, but I have stuff compiling on it right now so.... it wouldn't be a good test >_<
[12:12] <Cprossu> sine0: just as long as you don't run a bunch of browser tabs along with libreoffice I bet it'd be ok
[12:13] <Cprossu> I'm installing the phoronix test suites right now on mine to test h264
[12:13] <Cprossu> (but I don't know what test to use yet)
[12:13] <shiftplusone> ooh.... my compiling stuff seems like it's finishing up...
[12:14] <sine0> i was thinking of getting a pi 2 for my girl, she edits documents and uses libre office but also watches youtube. she has a lame computer and would love to use her TV for yt and doc editing. how about the youtube,flash situation does it work? i use my pi as headless servers on cli so ive never run gui
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[12:15] <shiftplusone> it's sub-optimal (to put it kindly) if you just want to use the browser.
[12:15] <shiftplusone> If you use youtube-dl and omxplayer, it's fine of course, but not very user friendly
[12:16] <shiftplusone> I've seen various hacks to automatically youtube-dl video and pipe it to omxplayer when a youtube page opens.
[12:16] <shiftplusone> But youtube is js-laden to the point where you notice that it's taking a while longer to load than feels comfortable.
[12:16] <Cprossu> if you want to use it to view yt/such just don't do it
[12:16] <Cprossu> there are better options
[12:16] <Cprossu> like an AMD AM1
[12:17] <Cprossu> it's not _as_ cheap but still a good value
[12:17] <Cprossu> and more importantly flash is native
[12:17] <shiftplusone> +1
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[12:19] <Raspiguy10> No easily accessible DVI display ATM. Hmmm...
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[12:19] <Cprossu> ahh you are back @ Raspiguy10
[12:19] <shiftplusone> Raspiguy10, you want to edit config.txt to match to resolution you want, not fiddle with xrandr
[12:19] <Cprossu> it worked the first time raspiguy10
[12:20] <shiftplusone> maybe tvservice might tell you something useful, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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[12:20] <Cprossu> also if you have a cable to run from composite, you might want to flip it to composite, see if it autocorrects for it on a reboot/something, and then try your dvi-hdmi cable again
[12:20] <Cprossu> it really really sounds like an EDID problem though
[12:23] <Cprossu> Raspiguy10: is your dvi device an actual monitor, or is it like a projector or a tv, or something that could be considered 'not standard'
[12:24] <Cprossu> my thoughts though is that connections are to be checked and rechecked, and if you have a spare cable of different manufacture that should be used, and you should eliminate as many variables as possible to avoid chasing your own tail.
[12:27] <Cprossu> cheers I am off to work
[12:28] <shiftplusone> have fun
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[12:34] <shiftplusone> sine0, just played around with libreoffice... don't see any lag.
[12:36] <Raspiguy10> Cprossu: shiftplusone: I've found a stackexchange post that suggests the issue might be that I have a "dual linked" cable and what I need is a "single linked" one.
[12:37] <shiftplusone> have you tried playing with config.txt yet?
[12:37] <Raspiguy10> Cprossu: it's a Philips 170B, cheapo standard computer-only display.
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[12:40] <Raspiguy10> shiftplusone: IDK what that is.
[12:41] <Raspiguy10> Here's that SE link: raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/ questions/ 2007/ cant-get-pi-to-work-with-a-sony-sdm-s74-dvi-d-monito
[12:41] <Raspiguy10> Sorry about the spaces
[12:41] <shiftplusone> Raspiguy10, https://github.com/XECDesign/documentation/blob/master/configuration/config-txt.md#hdmi_group
[12:41] <shiftplusone> sorry, wrong URL
[12:42] <shiftplusone> well... not entirely wrong, but not the one I wanted to paste
[12:42] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
[12:42] <Raspiguy10> OK, found config.txt under /boot -- right?
[12:42] <shiftplusone> yes sir
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[12:47] <Raspiguy10> shiftplusone: So I uncommented 'hdmi_force_hotplug=1'. Should that be necessary/sufficient dyt before I reboot?
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[12:48] <shiftplusone> I thought your issue was the resolution, not the detection?
[12:48] <Raspiguy10> shiftplusone: You are overestimating my understanding of the semantics of the config file.
[12:49] <Raspiguy10> If you say that's not the one, OK, I believe you, but I'm just guessing here.
[12:49] <Raspiguy10> I'll re-comment that one then.
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[12:50] <Raspiguy10> All I've got to go on is "tinker with config.txt" ATM
[12:50] <shiftplusone> you want to set hdmi_group and hdmi_mode
[12:50] <Raspiguy10> oh ok ty
[12:50] <shiftplusone> read through http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
[12:50] <shiftplusone> the parts related to hdmi, anyway
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[12:54] * Raspiguy10 reads and learns
[12:54] <curiousduder> o/
[12:54] <curiousduder> just ordered my first raspberry pi 2, pretty excited to check it out
[12:54] <shiftplusone> \o welcome
[12:55] <curiousduder> wondering if I should go straight to debian or stick with noob?
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[12:56] <shiftplusone> go to raspbian
[12:57] <curiousduder> so load raspbian first, and just ignore the noob?
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[12:57] <shiftplusone> NOOBS isn't a distro itself (well, it kind of is), it's an installer, recovery and multi-boot system.
[12:57] <curiousduder> ah ok. i thought (from what i have read) that it is a full os
[12:57] <shiftplusone> nope
[12:58] <curiousduder> good to know.
[12:58] <curiousduder> need to look more into it, but I am browsing the raspbian info right now
[12:58] <shiftplusone> It's an OS in the sense that is uses a linux kernel and has an initramfs rootfs, but it's not really a thing you can use for... the things you'd use a linux OS for.
[12:59] <curiousduder> gotcha
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[12:59] <curiousduder> have you used multiple images with ur rasp?
[12:59] <shiftplusone> yeah, I'm using that right now.
[13:00] <curiousduder> nice
[13:00] <shiftplusone> Not with NOOBS, but.... same idea.
[13:00] <curiousduder> understood
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[13:05] <curiousduder> I assume that I could also use raspbian to run a minecraft server and use xbmc/kodi as well? Instead of it running RaspbMC?
[13:05] <Raspiguy10> shiftplusone: ty for your help, going to reboot now and hope.
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[13:06] <shiftplusone> good luck
[13:06] <curiousduder> gl
[13:06] <shiftplusone> curiousduder, kind of sort of maybe.
[13:07] <curiousduder> lol, that wasnt the answer i was looking for
[13:07] <curiousduder> ;)
[13:07] <curiousduder> I plan on playing with it... running multiple setups before i am set
[13:07] <curiousduder> just asking questions prior to its arrival
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[13:09] <Raspiguy10> You guys are awesome. Just sayin'. Can barely read this tiny font on my now massive 1280x1024 display!
[13:09] <Raspiguy10> Thank you, thank you, thank you.
[13:10] <Raspiguy10> You make it look easy.
[13:10] <shiftplusone> hurray
[13:10] <shiftplusone> curiousduder, xbmc/kodi isn't in the repo, but there is a third party repo which provides it
[13:11] <shiftplusone> whether it's up to date and optimized as well as something like openelec.... I don't know.
[13:12] <curiousduder> I assume when I get raspbian installed, i will just add the repo and install it... then test... does it list the ver that would be avail?
[13:12] * shiftplusone shrugs
[13:13] <curiousduder> lol, ok
[13:13] <curiousduder> still doing some research
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[13:31] <Payo> curiousduder I'm using michael gorven's repo for kodi
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[13:31] <Payo> works great and it's pretty up to date (14.1)
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[13:34] <curiousduder> payo, thanks. I will check thatout
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[13:34] <Payo> http://michael.gorven.za.net/
[13:35] <curiousduder> thx for the url
[13:35] <Payo> openelec uses 256MB for the gpu so I did the same instead of 128
[13:35] <Payo> apparently it's better for heavier skins etc
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[13:38] <curiousduder> never used openelec before, always moved to kodi...
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[13:40] <curiousduder> is openelec just a break off of xbmc?
[13:42] <curiousduder> does anyone have any issues networking with a windows network? spec. win7?
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[14:11] <curiousduder> does anyone have any issues networking with a windows network? spec. win7?
[14:12] <shiftplusone> openelec is a distro which uses kodi.
[14:12] <shiftplusone> no issues networking
[14:13] <curiousduder> ok, just wondering because i am having issues using lubuntu with my laptop... just making sure that there wont be one with raspbian
[14:16] <Datalink> curiousduder, one of my machines is win7, there's a patch you have to do to windows to make it play nice with Samba
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[14:16] <Getty> Datalink: thats old......... ;)
[14:16] <Getty> or is there something new?
[14:16] <Datalink> or was when I set up, it may have been patched in the 3-4 years since I set it up last
[14:16] <curiousduder> Datalink, what patch are you speaking of?
[14:16] <Getty> he talks about pre Windows 7 times for sure
[14:16] <curiousduder> all the windows patches are up to date
[14:16] <Datalink> an obsolite one, apparently...
[14:17] <curiousduder> ahh
[14:17] <Getty> there was in the past a problem with samba and Windows but _ONLY_ in real security modes
[14:17] <curiousduder> the issue i am running into, is that both the linux and win7 machines can ping my tablet, my tablet can ping them... but linux and win7 cant ping each other...
[14:17] <Getty> default insecure windows + samba was always no problem, but the higher grade windows used a bad encryption stuff blabla which made samba chock on the passwords
[14:18] <Datalink> MS: following it's own standards... maybe
[14:18] <Getty> curiousduder: this has nothing todo with samba ;) and in general you can exclude the OS from the problem, that smells like network fuckup
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[14:18] <curiousduder> hmmm
[14:18] <curiousduder> i have been working on it for about 3 days...
[14:18] <curiousduder> i think its the router
[14:19] <curiousduder> i just tested the setup on a switch, connecting to the router.. and i can ping all devices...
[14:19] <Datalink> curiousduder, I'd suspect the router or an odd firewall rule somewhere
[14:19] <curiousduder> but, i now have to flash my router again... running ddwrt
[14:19] <Datalink> could be an isolation port doing that
[14:19] <curiousduder> but, for some reason, when i try to use browser to access it... it keeps reseting...
[14:20] <curiousduder> switched ports... same issues...
[14:20] <Datalink> curiousduder, retail router or one known to play nice with Linux?
[14:20] <curiousduder> just thinking that i need to take the time to back down to an older firmware
[14:20] <Datalink> could be MAC blacklist for some strange reason... donno what would mae DDwrt do that
[14:20] <curiousduder> retail... its an older netgear that i flashd
[14:20] <curiousduder> flashed
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[14:21] <Datalink> ah... memory overhead's low on nonL Netgears
[14:21] <curiousduder> ?
[14:21] <Datalink> they only soldier on half the RAM in mainland Netgears, the L series is their Open source friendly line
[14:21] <curiousduder> u think that the memory is the problem?
[14:22] <curiousduder> hmmm
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[14:22] <Datalink> it's a suspect I'd say, work on making a tighter build, smaller memory footprint would help, I usually skip the web browser and SSH into my wrt devices (though I only have the 703N running it currently)
[14:23] <petern_> "soldier" heh
[14:23] <Datalink> I really should reflash that thing with a current version
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[14:23] <Datalink> petern_, I'm an electrical engineer, to me every problem's a soldering iron or heatgun solution with a part from digikey or some other supplier P
[14:23] <Datalink> :P
[14:24] <Datalink> also I never seem to spell solder right... donno why
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[14:24] <curiousduder> so, backing down to an older version of firmware... might not help?
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[14:26] <curiousduder> there it goes again... just reset...
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[14:27] <Datalink> not specifically, newer ones don't mean it's going to be heavier in memory, I'd probably opt for one of the more minimal builds and opkg creatively until it's got just what's needed
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[14:28] <curiousduder> ok
[14:29] <curiousduder> the only thing that i read when switching to the ddwrt firmware... was that i needed to watch for the size of the file, based on the nvram that is avail to hold the ddwrt install
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[14:29] <curiousduder> but, when watching the router... i never saw that the resources where being consumed greater than 40%
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[16:46] <daszorz> Does anyone know if this will work on the Pi? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321655259745?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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[19:48] <sunkan> I just noticed that spi-bcm2708.ko does not load on my Pi. It says "No such device", known issue with newer kernel or what?
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[19:56] <sunkan> Ah, it needs to be enabled in config.txt (dtparam=spi=on). raspi-config could be more clear that it can Enable SPI not just load it automatically.
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