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[1:44] * Topic is 'Raspbian -- Debian hard float for the Raspberry Pi: http://www.raspbian.org/ Logs at: http://plugwash.raspbian.org/logs/ looking for mirrors in asia, africa and south america'
[1:44] * Set by plugwash!~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::1a3 on Mon Dec 10 22:15:29 UTC 2012
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[5:18] <sean_1> Hey guys, I'm going into this "code a thon" on the 17th and was wondering about what a Raspberry Pi could handle. My team is currently looking into using Java for the project, but I don't know how a Raspberry Pi will handle a GUI based client-server application.
[5:19] <sean_1> How well*, rather. I do know it has Java 8 available.
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[5:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[9:58] <plugwash> diederik, new +rpi16 kernel uploaded to http://plugwash.raspbian.org/linux_3.18/ please test
[9:59] <diederik> will do, thanks!
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[10:02] <plugwash> bye for now, speak to you you this evening
[10:02] <diederik> ok
[10:02] <diederik> bye
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[12:50] <afs> i need some help
[12:51] <afs> i got the rasp2
[12:51] <afs> and i'm looking for a raspian image
[12:51] <afs> while reading the rapian site
[12:52] <afs> they point the raspian version at raspberrypi site
[12:52] <afs> but in the raspberry site, they point to the raspian image
[12:52] <afs> and i got confuse and don't get which one is better for me
[12:52] <afs> =X
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[12:54] <simonpatapon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ get raspbian latest
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[12:57] <afs> thanks
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[13:14] <newbie> hi
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[13:14] <Guest86861> i have a problem with
[13:14] <Guest86861> mount shared folder from my computer
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[13:14] <Guest86861> i got a errror mount(13) denied permission
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[13:18] <Guest86861> some one
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[13:38] <CalebW> Hello everybody, so I managed to compile the newest vlc on the pi with hardware acceleration.
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[13:40] <Getty> you are NOW done with it? ;)
[13:40] * Getty tries to remember when you talked about it
[13:41] <CalebW> It compiled successfully, I'm now installing it
[13:41] <Getty> so... yet you didnt actually run it?
[13:42] <CalebW> No, it's been installing for the last 20 minutes :P
[13:44] <CalebW> I did a dist-upgrade and decided to try and compile it again, when it succeeded I was so excited
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[13:44] <Getty> LLLOOOOLLLL
[13:44] <Getty> now thats a good one..... unbelievable :)
[13:46] <CalebW> Haha, now if I had only done it BEFORE I tried to compile vlc I would have saved me a bunch of headache
[13:47] <diederik> so the only difference between success and failure was a dist-upgrade?
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[13:49] <CalebW> Well I also did a rpi-update and then I did a apt-get upgrade after that
[13:54] <diederik> ah ok. Has it finished installing yet?
[13:56] <CalebW> Nope, it's still installing all of the libs
[13:56] <diederik> wow, that's one lengthy install :P
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[13:59] <diederik> does anyone know what's responsible for turning the power led on on a B+/2B?
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[14:01] <CalebW> This wonderful force called electricity :P
[14:01] <diederik> haha
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[14:02] <diederik> it seems to be an issue with the raspbian.org kernel (both 3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi15 and 3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi16)
[14:02] <diederik> on the rpf kernel it does work
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[14:07] <ginhinio> hey guys I don't have a credit card but I sill want to get into raspberry pi do you guys know any real life stores that sell them
[14:08] <Chillum> mcm electronics does
[14:08] <diederik> do you have PayPal?
[14:09] <ginhinio> I don't have any way to pay online just cash :(
[14:09] <diederik> it probably helps if you tell from which country you are ...
[14:10] <ginhinio> I'm from Suriname but right now I'm in miami thats why I thought I could get one before leaving
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[14:13] <ginhinio> Miami FL
[14:15] <CalebW> Buy a prepaid debit card from Walmart @ginhinio
[14:15] <diederik> it looks like Radio Shack has them: http://www.element14.com/community/message/84728
[14:16] <ginhinio> isn't radio shack bankrupt?
[14:16] <diederik> I have no idea
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[14:16] <ginhinio> CelebW I think thats the best option
[14:17] <Chillum> do you have bitcoins?
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[14:17] <Chillum> the problem with paper money is that it does not fit into the tubes on the internetz
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[14:18] <ginhinio> haha I never tried bitcoin
[14:19] <CalebW> I'm getting "core libvlc error: cannot write configuration file" when trying to configure vlc's preferences\
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[14:26] <CalebW> Oh, I think I ran out of memory on my 8GB sd card...
[14:26] <diederik> 3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi9 as used by 1.0.7-beta installer does not have the power led issue
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[14:49] <diederik> power led issue seems to be device tree related, disabling that and it works again
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[15:15] <dawuud> is it true that raspbian doesn't have package signatures?
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[15:22] <diederik> no, it's not true. All packages are signed
[15:23] <diederik> ... or I'm not understanding your question correctly
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[15:32] <OxFEEDBACC> high
[15:33] <OxFEEDBACC> what repos do i have to configure to install zsh, vim (there's vim-tiny, but nothing in vim-common) and/or gvim?
[15:36] <OxFEEDBACC> also, what is the gcc-4.8-base package for? how can i install the whole 4.8.x thing?
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[16:00] <diederik> OxFEEDBACC: they're all available in the raspbian repos
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[16:04] <OxFEEDBACC> diederik, i took a look through Synaptic... there didn't show up anything...
[16:05] <diederik> do you have sth like "deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian wheezy main" in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[16:06] <diederik> you probably want to check Synaptic's configuration, maybe sth is wrong with that
[16:07] <OxFEEDBACC> there is http://mirrordirector.raspbiaan.org/raspbian and it's enabled
[16:07] <diederik> raspbiaan ?
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[16:07] <OxFEEDBACC> yes
[16:07] <OxFEEDBACC> it shows "distribution: wheezy"
[16:07] <diederik> that's your issue, it's raspbian (1 'a')
[16:08] <OxFEEDBACC> "section(s): main contrib non-free pi"
[16:08] <OxFEEDBACC> s/pi/rpi/
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[16:20] <sine`> ok so my pi went down whilst i was away. It would not boot, so i thought that the sdcard was corrupt. when looking at the sdcard in a linux file system viewer, there is a /boot folder with nothing in and a boot.bak with all the initramfs files and kernels
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[16:22] <shiftplusone> sine`: you're looking at the wrong partition
[16:23] <sine`> ok so the first partition is the boot partition and the boot folder is a symlink to the other partition ?
[16:23] <sine`> its 48mb
[16:24] <shiftplusone> no symlinks
[16:24] <shiftplusone> /boot is a mount point for the boot partition. boot.bak is a sign that you ran rpi-update (for whatever reason).
[16:25] <sine`> that is probably why my pi wont boot.
[16:25] <sine`> i was trying to do a few things without reading properly
[16:25] <sine`> could i copy over the contents of boot.bak to the primary partition?
[16:26] <shiftplusone> that should get you a bootable system
[16:26] <shiftplusone> but you could have a mismatch between the kernel and modules, so you'll need to fix that.
[16:26] <sine`> ok. i might dd the drive in linux first
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[16:39] <sine`> do you have to mount a drive to dd it ?
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[17:05] <asharas> Salut tout le monde! y a-t-il quelqu'un qui ma�trise OpenVPN? Je cherche � faire tourner 2 instances (client) sur une machine mais la seconde carte virtuelle tun n'est pas cr�e automatiquement. Une piste?
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[17:14] <peetbog> Install to a newer 64gb chip. getting error when I "startx". GDBus.Error.org.freedesktop.PolicyKit2.Error.Failed: Cannot determine user of subject. Does this translate to download from scratch?
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[17:57] <shiftplusone> sine`: you have you make sure it's NOT mounted before dd'ing.
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[18:01] <woddy> hello
[18:01] <woddy> in short: is there ful Qt support in Raspbian or not?
[18:01] <woddy> *full
[18:01] <shiftplusone> depends on what you mean by 'full'
[18:03] <woddy> assuming you use Qt Creator 3.3.2 based on Qt 5.4.1, to design a GUI for a hdmi/usb-type touchpanel, on your raspberry pi, on which raspbian is installed
[18:03] <woddy> (having developed that on your windows 8 machine, and done the qmake on the raspberry pi then)
[18:03] <woddy> would such a GUI work seamlessly
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[18:04] <woddy> (if it works on the windows machine)
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[18:05] <shiftplusone> assuming the version of QT you're using matches what's available in the repo and you're not using opengl or other unsupported interfaces, yes.
[18:06] <shiftplusone> (the current qt version in wheezy is 4.8.2)
[18:07] <woddy> hmpf
[18:07] <woddy> so I'd need an older qt version
[18:07] <woddy> damn
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[18:07] <shiftplusone> there's jessie, but I don't know how all the qt version stuff works.
[18:08] <shiftplusone> you can try installing debian in a VM and seeing how it all works there
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[18:09] <gregoa> jessie has e.g. libqt5core5a 5.3.2+dfsg-4+rpi1
[18:09] <woddy> shadeslayer: hm... in principle, I could install the current Qt version by hand
[18:09] <woddy> on raspbian right?
[18:09] <gregoa> and testing in a debian jessie vm/machine sounds like a good idea before starting a compiler on the raspi :)
[18:09] <woddy> like on any other debian
[18:09] <woddy> ?
[18:09] <shiftplusone> I didn't see a libqt5-dev, so thats why I was a little unsure.
[18:09] <shadeslayer> hey
[18:09] <gregoa> yes. raspbian jessie is the same as debian jessie with ~1 day delay
[18:09] <shadeslayer> do you guys want a more updated Qt?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Like, from 5.4 git ( compiled against sid though )
[18:10] <woddy> shadeslayer: well yes
[18:10] <woddy> that would be quite great
[18:10] <shiftplusone> err... I don't think you do.
[18:10] <woddy> shadeslayer: well, you see, if you download the QtCreator (LGPL commnity version), that you currently can download from the qt homepage, ..
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[18:10] <gregoa> there are qtbase5-dev-tools, but I'm also not sure about all qt4/qt5 details
[18:10] <woddy> has qt5.4.1. in there :D
[18:11] <woddy> so, that would be a quite smooth workflow, downloading QtCreator, installing raspbian, and being able to use the standard stuff with eachother
[18:12] <shadeslayer> woddy: https://gist.github.com/shadeslayer/2cbdaa67c33a18919ff2 < some stuff I've been working on, I think you have to add all 3 to get Qt5 to install
[18:12] <shadeslayer> it has armhf and amd64 packages
[18:12] <woddy> ah ok
[18:12] <shadeslayer> no qtcreator though
[18:12] <woddy> well qtcreator would work on a windows 8 machine
[18:12] <woddy> or on my ubuntu machine
[18:12] <woddy> *run there
[18:12] <woddy> and then the files transmitted over to the raspberry pi, and then qmake there
[18:13] <shadeslayer> alrighty, this is all built from the debian packaging, which you can see here http://dci.pangea.pub/job/qt5/
[18:13] <woddy> for local compilation
[18:13] <shadeslayer> woddy: right, why not just cross compile it?
[18:13] <woddy> shadeslayer: well... if you have your ssh connection anyway...
[18:13] <woddy> you can just send it over and do it there :)
[18:14] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:14] <woddy> but yes, I can look into cross compiling for once
[18:14] <woddy> :)
[18:14] <woddy> probably a point will come where I actually need to
[18:14] <woddy> thank you
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[18:16] <shadeslayer> woddy: its just that cross compiling might be faster for a large project
[18:16] <shadeslayer> for eg. I need to investigate cross compiling packages on x86_64
[18:17] <shadeslayer> so that I don't need dedicated armhf servers
[18:17] <shadeslayer> so far my qemu'd chroots failed to run tests
[18:17] <shadeslayer> so that was annoying
[18:18] <woddy> ah ok
[18:18] <woddy> well... I guess that will not be the case here
[18:18] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:18] <shadeslayer> woddy: let me know how it goes with those packages btw
[18:18] <woddy> yes, thanks, I will tell you
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[18:18] <shadeslayer> I'm trying to get a deployable image setup for Plasma 5 on sid
[18:19] <shadeslayer> the big issue is getting the video drivers and other shit to work, since everytime I startx , I can't use my mouse/keyboard anymore :(
[18:19] <shadeslayer> also, sddm crashes
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[18:38] <pablo_pi> shadeslayer: ¿Plasma 5 runs over Xorg?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> yes
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[18:39] <pablo_pi> shadeslayer: Keyboard and mouse are configured by Xorg
[18:39] <shadeslayer> pablo_pi: right
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I'm thinking that's what the problem is
[18:39] <shadeslayer> will investigate after easter
[18:40] <pablo_pi> shadeslayer: I supposed that Plasma 5 runs on wayland or something like that
[18:40] <shadeslayer> no, wayland is wip
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[18:41] <shadeslayer> pablo_pi: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/
[18:41] <pablo_pi> shadeslayer: In LXDE you also have problems with k/m
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[18:42] <shadeslayer> pablo_pi: ah :/
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[18:42] <leio> it's not like plasma5 on wayland will just make everything cool on a RPi
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[18:42] <pablo_pi> shadeslayer: In LXDE you also have problems with keyboard and mouse?
[18:42] <leio> wayland is cool for RPi mostly due to 1) non-integrated patches allowing EGL/GLES2 integration, unlike on X11 where there is no GLX until VC4 mesa driver gets there; 2) weston having a rpi backend that composites to dispmanx planes
[18:43] <leio> a different compositor that isn't actually a weston plugin doesn't get 2) for free
[18:43] <shadeslayer> pablo_pi: I haven't tried it
[18:43] <pablo_pi> shadeslayer: You are running Jessie, right?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> sid
[18:44] <leio> (now that I skim backlog, doesn't seem to be on-topic rpi discussion though)
[18:44] <shadeslayer> or well actually, Ubuntu vivid
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[18:44] <pablo_pi> shadeslayer: Wow, very bleeding edge
[18:45] <shadeslayer> pablo_pi: yeah, that's my target
[18:46] <pablo_pi> shadeslayer: I use Gentoo on my laptop and desktop
[18:47] <pablo_pi> leio: Wayland sounds goog for a phone,
[18:47] <pablo_pi> *good*
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[18:59] <CalebW> VLC installed ok, but when I try to play a vob file I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10725758/
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[19:02] <plugwash> <dawuud> is it true that raspbian doesn't have package signatures? <-- The debian way is not to sign the individual packages but to sign the "package lists"
[19:03] <plugwash> well strictly speaking to sign the release file
[19:03] <plugwash> which contains the hashes of the package lists
[19:03] <plugwash> which contain the hashes of the packages
[19:03] <plugwash> diederik, any experiances with rpi16?
[19:04] <shiftplusone> plugwash: really? I thought that dsc files should be signed as well. At least you signed them for the nightly stuff.
[19:05] <plugwash> sorry thought we were talking about binary packages here
[19:06] <plugwash> signing of dscs is optional (apt doesn't care, some other tools do), Debian does it, raspbian currently doesn't.
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[19:06] <plugwash> the nighly stuff currently signs the dsc and changes file (debsign signs both together) to support the downgrade script I wrote
[19:07] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[19:07] <plugwash> note: while debian dscs are signed there isn't really a good way to verify those signatures
[19:08] <shiftplusone> dscverify? =S
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[19:08] <plugwash> because the dscs are not signed by any infrastructure but by the individual developers, theres a package called "debian-keyring" but there is no gaurantee that the key that signed a dsc you retrived will be in there
[19:09] <plugwash> both because the "debian-keyring" package lags behind the list of trusted developers and because a package may have been signed by a developer key that was previously trusted but no longer is
[19:09] <diederik> plugwash: yes I do and they're all positive \o/
[19:09] <shiftplusone> ah yeah, I've noticed that, but in both cases, I had the public key of the person who signed it.
[19:10] <diederik> I have not been able to get a rainbow/kernel crash a single time with rpi16
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[19:11] <diederik> I've done 5 installs on a B, B+ and 2B and have multiple times regenerated the initrd
[19:12] <plugwash> with both wheezy and jessie versions of initramfs-tools?
[19:12] <diederik> oeps, no. They were all wheezy
[19:12] <diederik> I'll try jessie too
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[19:14] <peetbog> "Could not resolve 'mirrordirector.raspbian.org' " Do I need to do sources maintenance somewhere?
[19:15] <diederik> now that you and shiftplusone are present ... there is another (small) problem that arose with the addition of DT support. The powerled goes off fairly soon in the boot process and only gets back on shortly before poweroff
[19:15] <diederik> that happens with both 1B+ and 2B, but not 1B
[19:15] * shiftplusone hides
[19:16] <shiftplusone> you're talking about the raspbian kernel, right?
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[19:16] <diederik> disabling device tree 'resolves' it. (the issue is not present in rpi9 which is used by the 1.0.7-beta installer)
[19:16] <diederik> shiftplusone: yes
[19:16] <shiftplusone> was the kernel run through mkknlimage when it was created and are the .dtb files in /boot ?
[19:16] <diederik> it works properly with the rpf kernel
[19:18] <diederik> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/207
[19:20] <diederik> shiftplusone: I included you since you know a thing or 2 about the kernel and maybe even knew the solution on the top of your head
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[19:21] <Tendoncs> Hello, I have a question about a login script. I want to run a script only when the pi user logs into the GUI and no place else.
[19:21] <Tendoncs> Anyone know where I Could place a sh script to do this?
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[19:24] <shiftplusone> diederik: the .dtb files seem to be missing.
[19:24] <shiftplusone> sec.. maybe I need bootloader-nokernel as well
[19:24] <peetbog> in debian it is in /etc/init.d starts first. but I am not a wiz at rasbian
[19:24] <shiftplusone> oh... that package is not a thing anymore?
[19:25] <diederik> peetbog: raspbian works pretty much the same as debian
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[19:25] <CalebW> Rename startx, create a bash script that launches your script and then launches the renamed startx, name said script startx. @ Tendoncs
[19:26] <diederik> shiftplusone: what do you mean with 'that package is not a thing anymore' ?
[19:26] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel
[19:26] <diederik> I'm quite sure that the firmware is not the issue
[19:26] <shiftplusone> yes, but the kernel package doesn't seem to have the .dtb files
[19:27] <shiftplusone> so I wanted to check if they might be elsewhere
[19:27] <diederik> ah yes, the raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel package has the firmware
[19:27] <peetbog> Tendoncs: Did you get that?
[19:27] <shiftplusone> Do I need to add a component to enable it?
[19:28] <diederik> with 3 dtd in /boot/ and a bunch in /botot/overlays/
[19:28] <diederik> the 'firmware' component
[19:28] <shiftplusone> thanks
[19:28] <Tendoncs> Peetbog I see it now
[19:28] <diederik> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/firmware/r/raspberrypi-firmware-nokernel/
[19:28] <peetbog> Just put your script in that directory
[19:28] <Tendoncs> It will only load on GUI load up?
[19:29] * plugwash admits he saw the power led go off too but just assumed it was a crappy PSU
[19:29] <peetbog> it will load before de starts.
[19:29] <diederik> To exclude the firmware from being the issue, I downloaded master from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware and extracted the boot directory in the right place and rebooted ... no difference
[19:30] <shiftplusone> Didn't think it would be... was just looking for the missing files.
[19:30] * plugwash suspects it's a kernel configuration setting, the question is which one
[19:30] * diederik thinks the same as plugwash
[19:30] <Tendoncs> I am testing it
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[19:31] <shiftplusone> alright... up and running with the raspbian kernel.
[19:32] <Tendoncs> Yes. I remember now. That runs the script before the GUI loads.
[19:32] <shiftplusone> nope... spoke too soon.. missing modules I need to boot =/
[19:32] <Tendoncs> I Am trying to start a browser then run a java prgram.
[19:32] <Tendoncs> So the script has to load after the GUI
[19:32] <Tendoncs> I had placed it in ~/.profile
[19:33] <diederik> shiftplusone: which ones?
[19:33] <Tendoncs> it worked. But it also tries to load when you SSH into the box
[19:34] <shiftplusone> diederik: whichever one is needed to see the partitions on my external hdd where my rootfs is.
[19:34] <diederik> which filesystem?
[19:36] <shiftplusone> ext4, nothing fancy
[19:36] <shiftplusone> rebooted with initrd
[19:36] <peetbog> I suppose you can isolate ssh from your other users by groups Tendoncs . building a kiosk type setup?
[19:36] <shiftplusone> aaand I'm in
[19:37] <diederik> excellent :)
[19:37] * diederik writes down another case to test for ;-)
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[19:39] <Tendoncs> It is a metrics display
[19:39] <peetbog> How do I fix my sources so I can get apt-get and synaptic to work? currently see the error :"Could not resolve 'mirrordirector.raspbian.org' "
[19:40] <Tendoncs> I was thinking about adding an "admin" account
[19:42] <peetbog> don't remember how to exclude "pi" from ssh login. I suppose it does not matter as long as admin can not see that pi home directory.
[19:44] <shiftplusone> I think someone nicked my debugger
[19:45] <shiftplusone> or my desk needs cleaning
[19:46] <shiftplusone> probably both
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[19:57] <shiftplusone> not seeing anything drastically different yet...
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[19:58] <diederik> what have you been looking at?
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[19:59] * diederik is testing a jessie install on a Pi 2B with usbroot=1 in the mean time
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[20:00] <shiftplusone> is there a way to install libraspberrypi-bin?
[20:01] <gregoa> shiftplusone: *** 1.20150212-1~nokernel1 0
[20:01] <gregoa> 500 http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie/firmware armhf Packages
[20:02] <diederik> shiftplusone: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L556
[20:02] <diederik> you need to create an apt preferences file to prefer the raspbian.org one over the rpf one
[20:02] <shiftplusone> ty
[20:04] <shiftplusone> (sorry, I know this is all stuff that would take 10 seconds to look up, but you know...)
[20:05] <diederik> I'm here, so why not make use of it ;)
[20:06] <shiftplusone> so... I see that the GPIO pin responsible is set as an output when it should be an input
[20:07] <diederik> cool! (that you found that out). It'll be quite a while before I'm familiar with that kind of stuff
[20:19] <plugwash> that would explain the light being off
[20:19] <plugwash> any idea why that might be happening?
[20:20] <shiftplusone> /sys/firmware/devicetree seems to be aware that it should be an input, but it seems like something it making it an output... don't know how to find out what that something is.
[20:23] <shiftplusone> I think I'll poke Phil about it on tuesday.
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[20:24] <leio> pablo_pi: time to use gentoo for Pi too *g
[20:25] <shiftplusone> plugwash: do you know the commit hash it's built from?
[20:25] <diederik> <plugwash> diederik, i'm currently building a raspbian kernel based on commit 7defc7bf9c32f241e8bec0b17eb8ae928309e52b
[20:25] <shiftplusone> thanks
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[20:27] <shiftplusone> mine does not seem to be that recent
[20:27] <shiftplusone> Linux serge-pi 3.18.0-trunk-rpi2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi15 (2015-03-07) armv7l GNU/Linux
[20:28] <diederik> you're running the 'old' kernel
[20:28] <shiftplusone> well, it's the one it gave me
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[20:28] <diederik> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/199#issuecomment-88896087
[20:28] <plugwash> yeah, I haven't pushed +rpi16 to the repos yet
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[20:28] <plugwash> in the meantime you can find it at http://plugwash.raspbian.org/linux_3.18/
[20:29] <diederik> http://plugwash.raspbian.org/linux_3.18/linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-rpi_3.18.5-1~exp1%2brpi16_armhf.deb
[20:29] <shiftplusone> isn't that for pi 1?
[20:30] <diederik> you're absolutely right, sorry
[20:30] <diederik> http://plugwash.raspbian.org/linux_3.18/linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-rpi2_3.18.5-1~exp1%2brpi16_armhf.deb
[20:30] <gbaman> plugwash: You aren't by any chance about to push another Raspbian kernel release, are you?
[20:30] <diederik> shiftplusone: the last one is for pi 2
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[20:32] <plugwash> gbaman, it looks pretty likely that I will push the +rpi16 release out to the repos sometime over the easter weekend
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[20:33] <gbaman> Can I get a little notice this time? At least a few hours before you do? :)
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[20:33] <gbaman> And whats new in it?
[20:33] <plugwash> updating the patch series to the latest commits from the rpf repo
[20:34] <diederik> gbaman: a fix for https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/199
[20:34] <plugwash> which seems to fix some crashes we have been experiancing
[20:37] <shiftplusone> yeah, so I'm not seeing any obvious issues. Will need to ask Phil.
[20:38] <diederik> shiftplusone: thanks for looking into this :)
[20:39] <shiftplusone> If I was to look into it further myself, I'd probably add some printks to see what pinctrl is asked to do and why. Maybe add a breakpoint when that pin is made an output and check the backtrace to see how it happened, then go from there.
[20:40] <shiftplusone> but I suspect modifying the source is going to be a bit fiddly when working with that package =/
[20:44] <diederik> plugwash: I guess it needs to be part of a proper apt repo for 'apt-get source xxx' to work properly, right?
[20:44] <shiftplusone> nuh, the source files are easy enough to get as is.
[20:47] <diederik> ok. iirc plugwash said that apt-get source was the best way to get the source for the running kernel (and not start from the linux-source-<version> package
[20:48] <shiftplusone> yup, but the source files are in http://plugwash.raspbian.org/linux_3.18/ as well
[20:50] <diederik> I may have understood things incorrectly, having said that ...
[20:50] <gregoa> shiftplusone: dget -x http://plugwash.raspbian.org/linux_3.18/linux-3.18_3.18.5-1~exp1%2brpi16.dsc gives you the complete source package (.dsc + .debian.tar.gz + .orig.tar.gz) and unpacks it
[20:51] <diederik> gregoa: does that also apply all the patches from .debian.tar.gz to the source?
[20:51] <gregoa> diederik: yes, that's what I wanted to add and forgot :)
[20:52] <diederik> because there are a LOT of patches
[20:52] <diederik> ah ok, thanks :)
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[20:53] <gregoa> dpkg-source -x foo_ver.dsc (after apt-get source etc.) also unpacks and applies patches
[20:53] <gregoa> (dget is basically sugar to wget all relevant files in one go)
[20:54] <shiftplusone> that's just lazy =P
[20:54] <diederik> haha
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[20:56] <diederik> gregoa: thanks. I've never done much with compiling (debian/raspbian) sources myself, so your code examples should help me get going :)
[20:58] <gregoa> diederik: np, and just dive into it, packaging is only scary at the beginning :)
[21:00] <diederik> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ is a lot to take in, especially when you're not used to compiling C code and are not familiar with gnu autotools and other tools like that
[21:00] <diederik> (I tried it a couple of months ago)
[21:01] <shiftplusone> I find it all a bit intimidating as well =/
[21:01] <shiftplusone> No choice but to battle through it though
[21:02] <diederik> it would help if the guide was updated with an example which you can actually follow along to the letter
[21:03] <diederik> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#getit doesn't work since gentoo-0.9.12 isn't available
[21:03] <gregoa> right, the maint-guide is too huge for a nice start. I'd recommend lucas' packaging tutorial: https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#packaging-tutorial / https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf
[21:04] <shiftplusone> I find that trying something yourself and then seeing how other people do it isn't a bad approach. There's no shortage of source packages to look at.
[21:04] <shiftplusone> find <thing similar to what you want to package> and see how it's done.
[21:05] <diederik> amen to that
[21:05] <gregoa> true, at least when you find a _good_ example :)
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> I think it's farcry time. Take care.
[21:07] <gregoa> o/
[21:07] <koppla> Hi. I got pi 2. i need help setting up ut99 server with it. i installed noobs on pi 2 and later i installed raspbian OS. Im new to linux and need help to install ut99 and see if it works on arm7 processor ( ut99 is x86 software ).
[21:07] <diederik> have fun :)
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[21:09] <diederik> lucas' tutorial does seem a lot more approachable :)
[21:09] <koppla> was that comment about me ?
[21:10] <diederik> koppla: no. it was a comment on gregoa recommendation
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[21:10] <koppla> ok
[21:10] <diederik> koppla: regarding ut99, x86 code will not run on arm
[21:11] <koppla> diederik , thats why im going to use Qemu or exagear desktop to make it work, it emulates x86
[21:11] <gregoa> diederik: I'm glad you like it; since it starts with the exact questions we had before (download a source package ...) I thought it might fit
[21:11] <CalebW> I'm getting a "pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused" when running vlc
[21:12] <diederik> if you have source code you may be able to compile it for arm, but that may be quite a learning curve you have ahead of you if you're new to linux
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[21:12] <koppla> true diederik, im gonna use exagear desktop
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[21:14] <CalebW> How can I fix it? Do I need to create a /etc/asound.conf?
[21:15] <koppla> i wonder if my pi2 with rapsbian meets these requirements: http://forum.eltechs.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4&sid=3f61125b0cdd4fdc640dee682449c870 ?? does anyone know ?
[21:15] <koppla> *raspbian
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[21:17] <diederik> according to the FAQ on http://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/ it does
[21:17] <koppla> Owners of Raspberry Pi 2 Model B can use ExaGear Desktop too.
[21:18] <koppla> but it doesnt say if raspbian OS is ok
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[21:19] <koppla> when i open terminal and try to execute this: $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Features it says permission denied
[21:19] <koppla> how do I make it so I have access ?
[21:19] <diederik> if they don't specify an OS, I'm guessing they assume raspbian since that's the default
[21:19] <CalebW> sudo !! @ koppla
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[21:19] <koppla> okay
[21:20] <koppla> sudo $cat/proc/cpuinfo | grep Features <-- like this ?
[21:20] <CalebW> remove $
[21:20] <CalebW> Or you could just type "sudo !!"
[21:20] <gregoa> and if you remove the $ (which is just the prompt) you can run it as a user 7 without sudo as well :)
[21:20] <gregoa> s/7/\//
[21:20] <koppla> ok
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[21:23] <diederik> I can 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Features' or better 'grep Features /proc/cpuinfo' as a normal user ...
[21:24] <gregoa> (what I tried to say above :))
[21:25] <diederik> lol, I got confused by the 7 (and the s/7/V/ statement)
[21:25] <koppla> i have problems executing that command
[21:25] <koppla> what I need to do ?
[21:25] <CalebW> What is s/7/V/?
[21:26] <diederik> s = substitute
[21:26] <diederik> but it's not a capital
[21:26] <CalebW> What's it do?
[21:27] <diederik> but it's not a capital 'v', but an escaped forward slash
[21:27] <diederik> CalebW: basically search and replace
[21:27] <gregoa> "replace 7 with /"
[21:28] <CalebW> Oh duh! I sould have recognized it from sed :P
[21:28] <diederik> yep, or vim or ...
[21:28] <CalebW> I didn't know bash had something similar
[21:29] <gregoa> it was just a comment in pseudo-code referring to the typo I made in the line before
[21:30] <CalebW> Ohhh, I didn't see it
[21:31] <diederik> my mistake was that I read a 'V' and not an escaped (forward) slash
[21:32] <gregoa> next time I'll write s,7,/, or s{7}{/}, or s|7|/|, etc. :)
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[21:41] <diederik> plugwash: I'll do extensive testing with jessie and rpi16 tomorrow
[21:42] <diederik> first tests on Pi 2 were succesful though
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[21:45] <diederik> (but did get sth weird when using / on usb and disabling initramfs, but that was likely a pebkac issue)
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[23:11] <sunny_> Hi Friends, need help on setting up noobs on Raspberry Pi 2 without monitor and keyboard. I tried http://techtach.com/2014/12/setup-raspberry-pi-b-without-display-and-keyboard-complete-guide/, but unfortunately, I haven't succeeded.
[23:12] <shiftplusone> sunny_, why NOOBS?
[23:12] <sunny_> shiftplusone, this is the first time I am trying.
[23:12] <sunny_> You can suggest.
[23:13] <shiftplusone> If you use the image, it will just work.
[23:13] <shiftplusone> dhcp and ssh is enabled by default
[23:13] <sunny_> you mean to say, 2015-02-16-raspbian-wheezy.img
[23:14] <ApolloJustice> yes
[23:15] <ApolloJustice> just download it, write it to the SD card and boot up the Pi
[23:15] <sunny_> Okay, I am trying this now and will update you shortly.
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[23:15] <shiftplusone> write using an appropriate tool, of course. Don't just copy the file to the sd card.
[23:15] <ApolloJustice> btw, writing it isn't just copy and pasting the contents to the sd card
[23:15] <shiftplusone> heh
[23:15] <ApolloJustice> yeah
[23:15] <ApolloJustice> got ninja'd
[23:15] <ApolloJustice> rip me
[23:15] <sunny_> yes, I understand
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[23:18] <sunny_> I have formatted the card and now I am going to write the image using Win32 Disk Imager. let me know if you have any other recommendation.
[23:19] <shiftplusone> the formatting step wasn't necessary, so you can save yourself some time in the future.
[23:19] <pablo_pi> sunny_: Format the sd card was not necessary
[23:20] <pablo_pi> shiftplusone: :) You're fast
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[23:20] <shiftplusone> Everybody else is just too slow... or has better things to do.
[23:20] <sunny_> Okay, NP, as I have already done.
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[23:21] <pablo_pi> shiftplusone: I must compile a new yubikey configuration for my raspbian, I don't want to
[23:22] <sunny_> 35% complete.
[23:22] <pablo_pi> shiftplusone: So, I'm here procastinating
[23:22] <pablo_pi> sunny_: The first time is very exciting
[23:23] <sunny_> Yes, you are right.
[23:23] <pablo_pi> sunny_: As I was using Gentoo my first time I used dd instead of Win32 Disk Imager, no percent output, only total disk space written
[23:24] <sunny_> Okay
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[23:28] <pablo_pi> sunny_: Only when the program finishes I knew it was ready
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[23:28] <pablo_pi> sunny_: 100% yet?
[23:28] <sunny_> I can see on my dhcp client page that the IP is allocated to the raspberrypi.
[23:28] <sunny_> but I am not able to ping not able to ssh.
[23:29] <shiftplusone> maybe wait a little for ssh to come up?
[23:29] <pablo_pi> sunny_: At most four minutes
[23:29] <sunny_> Okay
[23:29] <sunny_> In the mean time checking if my firewall settings.
[23:29] <shiftplusone> first boot may take a little longer, but yeah, if it's not there soon... bah.
[23:32] <sunny_> Still no luck, pi is not responding to ping.
[23:32] <sunny_> not to ssh.
[23:33] <pablo_pi> sunny_: You are *not* using Noobs, right?
[23:33] <shiftplusone> so what happens when you disable all the firewall things?
[23:34] <sunny_> no I am not suing noobs
[23:34] <sunny_> ~~> 2015-02-16-raspbian-wheezy.img
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[23:35] <sunny_> I disabled the firewall, even then pi is not responding to ping.
[23:35] <pablo_pi> sunny_: I have an spare Raspberry Pi, I'll try the same image
[23:35] <sine_> whats the best image or version to use if i am doing it all headless over a network. i seem to have downloaded noobs where i have to use my monitor but i didnt do that last time
[23:36] <sine_> i dont want the gui/x
[23:36] <sunny_> pablo_pi: Thanks
[23:36] <pablo_pi> sine_: I'm using the raspbian-ua-netinst
[23:37] <pablo_pi> sine_: If you have a dhcp server and internet connection it can install all unattended and headless, and only minimal raspbian
[23:37] <sine_> yea that one
[23:37] <sine_> is that noobs lite
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[23:39] <shiftplusone> I think the value in NOOBS is the recovery part. If you bork things, you can reinstall without having to do all the things.
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[23:39] <shiftplusone> And in the future, the plan is to make it easier to support third party operating systems.
[23:39] <sunny_> pablo_pi: I am using raspberry pi 2, is there any possibility that there is an issue with the pi?
[23:39] <shiftplusone> Well, they're all third party, but there's a bit of a stamp of approval if you put them on the download page.
[23:40] <pablo_pi> sunny_: Really don't know
[23:40] <shiftplusone> sunny_, I haven't had a situation where what you're trying to do didn't work.
[23:40] <shiftplusone> so I'm relatively confident the problem is elsewhere.
[23:40] <shiftplusone> especially given that you got a lease.
[23:41] <sunny_> Yes, I am also confused because of the lease.
[23:42] <shiftplusone> no screen or serial adapter at all?
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[23:54] <pablo_pi> sunny_: It's gonna take a while, I'm doing backup of a used SD card
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