#raspbian IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-05-12

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[2:37] <logan_pi1> hi, can anyone please help me change my window manager in raspbian os?
[2:38] <logan_pi1> im seeing stuff about update-alternatives which doesnt work and also .xinitrc and i dont have that file anywhere
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[2:39] <vagrantc> logan_pi1: you have the window manager you want installed, but it's selecting something else by default?
[2:39] <logan_pi1> yeah
[2:40] * Zachary_DuBois is now known as Tokyo
[2:40] <vagrantc> logan_pi1: what have you tried with update-alternatives?
[2:40] <vagrantc> and what's your login manager? it may have some other method for selecting the default session
[2:40] <logan_pi1> sudo update-alternatives --config (and --set) x-window-manager (and x-session-manager)
[2:41] <logan_pi1> Just got my pi in the mail today it doesn't seem to have a login manager, just straight to lxde & user pi w/ no pass
[2:41] <vagrantc> using lightdm, gdm3, someting else?
[2:42] <logan_pi1> i have lightdm installed its not in use though, how would i set it to prompt me with a password, or is there some manual i can read on rapsbian os?
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[2:46] <vagrantc> logan_pi1: where did you get the image from? the rpi foundation images have some odd tweaks.
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[2:47] <logan_pi1> i got a canakit so its their image
[2:49] * vagrantc doesn't use the prepackaged images
[2:49] <vagrantc> they sometimes do things to make things "easy" that then make things hard.
[2:50] <logan_pi1> ok
[2:50] <logan_pi1> should i just get debian and throw it on an sd then?
[2:50] <vagrantc> what model you have?
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[2:51] <logan_pi1> raspberry pi 2 b
[2:51] <vagrantc> that should be able to run debian armhf, you just need the kernel from raspbian.org
[2:51] <logan_pi1> these things are pretty great though
[2:52] <logan_pi1> alright thank ya ill try to figure all that out
[2:52] <vagrantc> it's definitely an adventurous path :)
[2:52] <logan_pi1> heheh
[2:53] <logan_pi1> linux is so vast
[2:53] <logan_pi1> ive used it solely for like more than a year im still a noob
[2:59] <logan_pi1> vagrantc, I'm gonna try modifying my current system actually, any idea how to get a login prompt showing up?
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[3:04] <vagrantc> not really...
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[3:16] <logan_pi1> works
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[3:38] <Gornle> Hi. I have an RPi2. DL'd and extracted raspbian-ua-netinst-v1.0.7.img.xz to a new sdcard. Plug the sdcard in, power up, and ... nothing. No output at HDMI at all.
[3:38] <Gornle> Any help as to what next? Can't even see any log / console output ... so how to debug?
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[7:44] <zGrr> moin :)
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[10:03] <_1_bello> lok
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[12:14] <nate22> Can you set a persitant route when an interface comes up, however that interface has no default gateway?
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[14:55] <hanlon2> Hi. I'm installing raspbian/jessie on a brand new RPi2. I've a new sandisk 16GB sdcard. I've installed the latest raspbian-ua-netinst-v1.0.7.img.xz to the card, verifying there's populated content and fsck is clean. On power-up, I get a single green LED flash then it goes out; red LED is solid/on and stays that way. I've swapped cards, changed power suppplies, tried booting with, and without all other cables connected. No actitivity, and no outpu
[14:55] <hanlon2> t to the HDMI.
[14:55] <hanlon2> Have I missed any troubleshooting options, or is it RMA time?
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[15:00] <hanlon2> Hi. I'm installing raspbian/jessie on a brand new RPi2. I've a new sandisk 16GB sdcard. I've installed the latest raspbian-ua-netinst-v1.0.7.img.xz to the card, verifying there's populated content and fsck is clean. On power-up, I get a single green LED flash then it goes out; red LED is solid/on and stays that way. I've swapped cards, changed power suppplies, tried booting with, and without all other cables connected.
[15:00] <hanlon2> In all cases, no actitivity, and no output to the HDMI. Have I missed any troubleshooting options, or is it RMA time already?
[15:01] <hanlon2> oops, sry
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[15:09] <Tach[Away]> hanlon2, try another sd card first, there may be some compatibility issue
[15:09] <Tach[Away]> also a different PSU if it's marginal
[15:10] <hanlon2> Tach[Away]: as per my OP, " ... I've swapped cards, changed power suppplies, tried booting with, and without all other cables connected. ..."
[15:10] <Tach[Away]> oh right, that's not looking great then
[15:10] <hanlon2> Reportedly, this is a known-to-work card
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[15:11] <Tach[Away]> and it sounds like the image wasn't corrupt on download either
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[15:11] <hanlon2> Tach[Away]: re'dl'd and reextracted a number of times ...
[15:11] <Tach[Away]> suppose it could be a faulty pi2, not seen many DOAs myself but I suppose it must happen
[15:13] <hanlon2> Tach[Away]: Yeah, can't see what I'm missing. Thought these were tested @ factory, and that DOA is rare ... but Murphy lives in my basement, soooo ...
[15:14] <Tach[Away]> haha
[15:15] <Tach[Away]> one other thing, you're sure the distribution you're trying to boot has a pi 2 compatible kernel?
[15:16] <hanlon2> Tach[Away]: 'sure' only insofar as it SAYS is does, and an *rpi2* kernel IS on the image
[15:16] <Tach[Away]> I don't suppose it'd hurt to download the tiny (netinst) noobs release and copy that to a (fat32) SD card just to be absolutely sure
[15:16] <Tach[Away]> ah okay
[15:16] <Tach[Away]> that sounds fairly certian, lol
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[15:24] <hanlon2> I've been told there is a NON-netinstall image of rpi2-ready raspian? True?
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[15:27] <methuzla> hanlon2 NON-netinstall? maybe here? https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[15:28] <methuzla> hanlon2 not sure what you're after, but you can get the current raspbian image there
[15:29] <hanlon2> methuzla: There I'd gotten raspbian-ua-netinst-v1.0.7.img.xz, which appears to be the right installer for linux, and is net-install. SUpposedly, there's a FULL installer ... or so I've been told. The img installed by the netinstaller isn't booting, and I'm troubleshooting. It was suggested to try a different image ...
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[15:32] <methuzla> hanlon2 if you download the raspbian image from there it should be a file: 2015-05-05-raspbian-wheezy.zip
[15:32] <methuzla> hanlon2 unzip it, burn image to sd, boot
[15:32] <methuzla> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md
[15:35] <hanlon2> right. and according to https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/releases, that's too old a release. You must use the v1.0.7 release ... unleass I'm misrreadin this
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[15:38] <methuzla> where does it say it's too old?
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[15:41] <hanlon2> methuzla: @ https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/releases, it says "Releasing version 1.0.7 of the Raspbian unattended netinstaller." -> "Added support for the Raspberry Pi 2. This fixes issue 180.". Unless that's specific to just THAT installer ...
[15:41] <TheLostAdmin> Hi. I created a second user account (not "pi") and when I login with the graphical interface the panel just keeps crashing (appears as a white bar briefly and then goes away, repeat). Has anyone run into this issue and have a solution? xsession-errors is spitting out all sorts of errors over and over again.
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[15:42] <methuzla> hanlon2 that relates to netinstaller, which is different than the main raspbian image
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[15:43] <methuzla> hanlon2 it's like two different ways of getting raspbian running on the pi
[15:43] <methuzla> hanlon2 1 - use that netinstaller thing, which has it's own versioning scheme
[15:43] <hanlon2> methuzla: ah, k. slightly thrown off as the 'main raspbian image', then, is apparently "still, just" wheezy-based
[15:44] <methuzla> hanlon2 2 - download and burn the lastest image from https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[15:44] <hanlon2> yep. let's give it a whirl ...
[15:45] <methuzla> the second approach is the basic/main/"easiest"/most common/approved way of doing it
[15:46] <methuzla> yeah, and with the current transition from wheezy to jessie, there's additional confusion
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[15:55] <hanlon2> methuzla: If I can get this booted, switching to jessie is trivial. DL'ing the 'full' img now. Thx!
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[16:57] <hanlon2> well, rats. 'full' raspbian img install on the RPi2 gets one step farther that the net installer -- green LED lights, and stays solid. But no further :-/
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[17:09] <jigsawFE2> hi, is raspbian easily upgradable to new releases?
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[17:22] <isifreek> will raspbian ever get lsb_release?
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[17:45] <hanlon2> After cliean-installing a full raspbian image to a new sdcard, I end up with a 2 parts -- the 1st being a W95 FAT32. When I try to "mount -t vfat ..." it, I get : "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdj1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
[17:45] <hanlon2> If I manually create an empty vfat partition, I can easily mount it.
[17:46] <hanlon2> Any hint what the problem is here?
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[17:54] <isifreek> hanlon2: afaik, fat32 != vfat
[17:54] <isifreek> hanlon2: fat32 == msdos, iirc
[17:55] <hanlon2> isifreek: hi. tried '-t fat32'. same issue
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[18:00] <isifreek> -t msdos ?
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[18:01] <isifreek> hanlon2: ^
[18:01] <hanlon2> isifreek: same. unfortunately.
[18:02] <isifreek> hmm...
[18:03] <isifreek> this sounds familiar for some reason
[18:04] <isifreek> not sure :/
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[18:10] <hanlon2> I'm getting the sense that either rapsbian in not quite RPi2-ready, or this Rpi2 is DOA
[18:14] <isifreek> hanlon2: are you just trying to get it up and running?
[18:15] <gics> hello, i have some troubles with rpi2 too :)
[18:15] <hanlon2> isifreek: yep. Just need raspbian to boot on this Rpi2 so I can get back to work on it.
[18:15] <gics> like startpar process always on even after the boot
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[18:16] <pmumble> my rpi2 shows up in a couple of hours now im worried lol
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[18:21] <ShorTie> how did you write the raspbian image to the sdcard ??
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[18:23] <hanlon2> ShorTie: dd if=./2015-05-05-raspbian-wheezy.img bs=1M conv=notrunc of=/dev/sdj
[18:24] <hanlon2> also tried without conv=, and different bs=. nada.
[18:25] <s7r> do we have raspbian jessie release yet?
[18:26] <ShorTie> howa about just, 'dd of=/dev/sdj if=2015-05-05-raspbian-wheezy.img bs=4M'
[18:26] <ShorTie> don't need none of that 'conv=notrunc' stuff
[18:27] <hanlon2> ShorTie: As I just said above, already did that.
[18:27] <ShorTie> No sr
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[18:27] <ShorTie> what os you runnin this on ??
[18:28] <hanlon2> the dd? linux/64 (opensuse 13.2)
[18:29] <ShorTie> whelp, opensus sounds funky, because that works for any other linux
[18:29] <ShorTie> got any other pc around ??
[18:30] <hanlon2> opensuse is not 'funky'. same issues on fedora and ubuntu.
[18:31] <BManojlovic> hm really what s with conv=notrunc?
[18:32] <ShorTie> how big is this sdcard ??
[18:32] <hanlon2> 16GB
[18:32] <ShorTie> and what class is it ??
[18:32] <hanlon2> 10. It's a SanDisk ... SDSDQUAN-016G-G4A
[18:33] <BManojlovic> "convert the file as per the comma separated symbol list"
[18:33] <BManojlovic> now i'm confused
[18:33] <ShorTie> about all i can say, is the pi is picky at times and just doesn't like some sdcards
[18:33] <BManojlovic> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20526198/why-using-conv-notrunc-when-cloning-a-disk-with-dd#20531600
[18:34] <ShorTie> got any other sdcards ??
[18:34] <hanlon2> 4 of those
[18:34] <hanlon2> same problem on all
[18:35] <ShorTie> see, it's not a class 10, "Amazon.com: SanDisk Ultra 16GB UHS-I/Class 10 Micro SDHC Memory Card"
[18:35] <ShorTie> so the sdcard is your problemo
[18:36] <ShorTie> it's a hybread
[18:36] <ShorTie> or should i say, not a true/just class 10 sdcard
[18:37] <hanlon2> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Which_SD_card.3F says it's fine with Raspbian.
[18:38] <ShorTie> so, that list means like nothing to me
[18:38] <ShorTie> [14:36:40] <ShorTie> about all i can say, is the pi is picky at times and just doesn't like some sdcards
[18:38] <ShorTie> i've had 4-5 samsung sdcards the pi didn't like
[18:39] <BManojlovic> i had one and it worked...
[18:39] <ShorTie> and have no problems with the generic's i bought
[18:39] <BManojlovic> that is luck i presume
[18:40] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[18:41] <hanlon2> the pi has no problems with it -- as long as it's running something OTHER than rapsbian
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[18:51] <usr13> I'm getting Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt"
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[18:53] <usr13> 2015-05-05-raspbian-wheezy.img
[18:53] <peetbog> ya, I had that once. I took the complete new install route to fix that. Never spent the time to really determine what went bad in the os to have caused it. My version was a couple older than yours.
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[18:54] <isifreek> will raspbian ever get lsb_release?
[18:55] <peetbog> will linux ever fully support the pi's cpu? Is that what you mean?
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[18:58] <isifreek> peetbog: idk, is that what's preventing lsb cert?
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[19:06] <peetbog> yes, when the kernel can address everything without a "shoe horn" then it will be lsb. until then we need a little custom support to be "debian" like.
[19:06] <peetbog> when that happens the os will be debian and not raspbian.
[19:08] * isifreek likes peetbog's use of "when"
[19:08] <isifreek> peetbog: good to know, ty
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[19:15] <ahop> Hi
[19:15] <ahop> Where again should I put the init script ? (example: I want the RPi to play a mp3 stream direct on boot, forever)
[19:16] <ahop> in /etc/rc?.d/ ? rc.local ? somewhere else?
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[19:27] <isifreek> ahop: may be better off w cron, iirc rc.local is deprecated
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[20:17] <usr13> "I found the cmdline file that had the error." What does he mean "cmdline file"? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=374323
[20:18] <usr13> I'm getting Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt"
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[21:00] <djallow> usr13: the cmdline file is /boot/cmdline.txt, check if it is alright.
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[21:08] <djallow> usr13: this is a fresh default cmdline.txt: http://pastebin.com/cbWjB0pw
[21:09] <djallow> I also had a problem guys. After an upgrade to next branch it does not connect to LAN anymore
[21:09] <djallow> Well maybe it doesn't work at all, idk since I cant connect with it =D
[21:09] <djallow> Is that normal?
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[21:31] <plugwash> shiftplusone, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=102014
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[22:14] <alphakiller> hi all
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[22:14] <alphakiller> i'm working on a project with raspberry and i need an 1 or 2 meters accuracy GPS module. can you advice me something please?
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[22:34] <hanlon2> Has raspian/*jessie* moved to systemd init, or does it retain sysvinit?
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[22:40] <plugwash> systemd is the default but sysvinit is still available
[22:47] <hanlon2> plugwash: Hi. I _thought_ that might be the case. But, atm on a new install, if systemd is installed as init, all sorts of boot fails re: journal, and I get dropped to emergency mode -- and can't (yet) recover. rm systemd, replacing with sysvinit, and it boots without error.
[22:47] <hanlon2> Wondering if it's recommended, or has known probs
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[22:52] <plugwash> hmm, not sure what to suggest, between my day job and keeping the raspbian repositories going I don't get much chance to actually play with things :(
[22:52] <plugwash> some people seem to be doing ok with raspbian and systemd, others seem to have big problems, not sure what the difference is
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[22:54] <hanlon2> plugwash: I suspect the journal not being properly init'd, enabled or disabled. TBH, not sure what state it's *supposed* to be in for raspbian/jessie on RPi2 :-|
[22:57] <plugwash> Things *should* work the same as Debian...............
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[22:58] <plugwash> There may be some useful information at https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging
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[23:01] <hanlon2> plugwash: thx. I've been using systemd on opensuse/fedora for ages. I assume deb/raspbian will be similar. That's where the suspicion comes from -- journal's typically enabled for ext4 on desktop systems. not sure if it makes sense to on sdcard.
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[23:02] <hanlon2> need to stare at the boot sequence console output. with systemd it's quite verbose by default, apparently, so will have to muck around in the noise.
[23:02] <plugwash> iirc systemd is fussier about fstab matching what is actually there than sysvinit is
[23:02] <plugwash> but i'm not sure on the exact details
[23:05] <hanlon2> plugwash: np. sysvinit works for the moment. enuf other nitpicks to wade thru in the meantime ... atm, for the life o' me can't figure out where 'rpi-update' went.
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[23:09] <diederik> hanlon2: you shouldn't use/run rpi-update unless you're told to (or know why you really want it)
[23:10] <hanlon2> diederik: understood. I'm well aware of why I want it. I just can't *find* it atm -- not in the raspbian or rapsberrypi.org jessie repos afaict.
[23:11] <diederik> raspberrypi.org doesn't have jessie, so you should use wheezy there instead
[23:12] <diederik> got the netinstaller working btw?
[23:13] <hanlon2> diederik: only in my local chroot. not on the $&^% Rpi2 yet.
[23:13] <diederik> that's really weird.
[23:13] <diederik> you said the red light kept on, right?
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[23:14] <hanlon2> diederik: and, fyi, rpi.org DOES have jessie ...
[23:14] <hanlon2> http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/dists/jessie/
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[23:14] <diederik> as weird as it may sound, but on the RPi 2 that is a 'problem'
[23:14] <hanlon2> diederik: yes, red light stays on -- green stays off
[23:14] <diederik> hmm, you're right. Didn't know they made it yet.
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[23:15] <plugwash> hanlon2, you can probablly use the version from the raspberrypi.org wheezy repo
[23:15] <diederik> that probably means it can't load the kernel for some reason ... (dunno which though)
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[23:15] <plugwash> I think the raspberrypi.org jessie repo shuld be considered a "work in progress"
[23:16] <plugwash> or even less than that...........
[23:16] <hanlon2> yeah, I've seen & followed the troubleshooting steps for the Rpi2. Boots fine if I use a different img -- Openelec, e.g.. Just not Raspbian. :-/
[23:16] <plugwash> it looks like while a jessie repo exists on archive.raspberrypi.org it's empty
[23:16] <diederik> plugwash: I think so too ;)
[23:17] <hanlon2> plugwash: sure -- same as my kodi 15-alpha builds :-) much happier with the jessie repos.
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[23:17] <hanlon2> empty? um ...
[23:17] * hanlon2 looks
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[23:18] <hanlon2> W(ow). T(hats). F(antasatic) !?
[23:18] <diederik> hanlon2: I don't know whether you're interesting in trying/installing again ... but you could try disabling devicetree (device_tree= in config.txt under the [pi2] header)
[23:19] <hanlon2> diederik: I can give that a try later, thx
[23:20] <Getty> those "noname" android devices are really interesting
[23:20] <diederik> let me know whether that makes a difference. If the red light goes off, you're good ;)
[23:21] <hanlon2> sure
[23:21] <Getty> like 1 Ghz quadcore 2 GB ram with 8 GB storage + bluetooth + wifi for a price near the pi2
[23:21] <diederik> how did you write the .img.xz to your sd card?
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[23:21] <Getty> and thats just a stick, seeing the "android tv boxes" its even more pervert, like with buildin webcam and network connection (additional to wifi) for like 5-10 EUR more, its pervert
[23:23] <hanlon2> added & pinned rpi.org/wheezy, and I've now got rpi-update, raspi-config & raspi-copies-and-fills back. *That* mystery solved, thx!
[23:24] <hanlon2> diederik: the .xz was xzcat'd. .img was dd'd.
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[23:25] <diederik> ok, that sounds good :)
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[23:33] <Encapsulation> where is my wlan0? ralink 5730
[23:33] <Encapsulation> I don't see the kernel module loaded
[23:33] <Encapsulation> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 128f:7201 Ralink Technology, Corp.
[23:33] <Encapsulation> output of lsusb
[23:34] <Encapsulation> I think it should say the full device name after that
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[23:38] <diederik> Encapsulation: are you sure about those data? I have seen RT5370 but not 5730
[23:39] <diederik> and what I've seen, is that your DeviceID should likely start with 148f
[23:39] <Encapsulation> thats what I mean
[23:39] <Encapsulation> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp.
[23:39] <Encapsulation> I scrambled the dev id just in case it was personally identifiable
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[23:39] <Encapsulation> probably not very helpful
[23:40] <diederik> no, it wasn't ;-)
[23:40] <hanlon2> Anyone have a currently recommended set of values for raspbian config.txt performance params, for Rpi2 + Kodi15 use? I've tweaked to: arm_freq=900, gpu_mem=128, gpu_freq=250, core_freq=500, sdram_freq=450, over_voltage=2, by piecing together various posts. But no experience with them as yet ...
[23:40] <diederik> DeviceID = manufacturerID:productID (so no personal info)
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[23:41] <diederik> Encapsulation: have you installed firmware-ralink?
[23:42] <Encapsulation> diederik, it says it's installed
[23:42] <Encapsulation> I've heard from some people that I need a powered hub with this dongle but that was not the case under arch linux
[23:42] <Encapsulation> in fact I had shocking range without one
[23:42] <Encapsulation> but this IS a different physical device
[23:42] <Encapsulation> I bought a new one
[23:43] <Encapsulation> perhapos I should test it in my pc to make sure its not DoA
[23:43] <Encapsulation> even though it sort of shows up in lsubs
[23:43] <Encapsulation> lsusb*
[23:43] <diederik> also check 'dmesg' when you've plugged in your device
[23:43] <Encapsulation> there is some info in there
[23:45] <Encapsulation> http://pastebin.com/W4zW1BXi
[23:45] <Encapsulation> I'm nopt sure what to make of it
[23:45] <Encapsulation> something about mediatek
[23:46] <Encapsulation> I suppose if there isn't something obvious I'm missing
[23:46] <Encapsulation> I should take the dongle I used successfully in arch and put it into this pi
[23:46] <Encapsulation> then I will know something is wrong with my raspbian setup
[23:46] <Encapsulation> or it will work
[23:46] <Encapsulation> and this is the worst wifi dongle ever
[23:47] <Encapsulation> with a 1month failure or doa rate of 75%
[23:47] <Encapsulation> I had one destroyed by a single touch static shock, one died over time from nothing, and another dead out of the package
[23:47] <Encapsulation> and now this
[23:47] * Encapsulation rips out hair
[23:49] <diederik> it seems you need to install a driver for it
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[23:52] <diederik> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=717348#p717348
[23:54] <diederik> note that the identifier for a ralink card seems to be ra0, not wlan0
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