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[0:28] <scoofy> i figured raspi 1 is damn slow.
[0:29] <scoofy> how is pi2 compared to pi1 ? lightspeed?
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[0:46] <bazaar> scoofy: that sounds about right
[0:47] <bazaar> my raspi 1 is faster than my P200 which i paid a few thousand pounds for :P
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[0:52] <scoofy> i gotta need to upgrade some day
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[1:59] <krakrjak> does anyone have a raspbian image working inside qemu?
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[4:54] <wheatthins> I'm using a custom raspbian build named retropie
[4:54] <wheatthins> How do I install packages without network access?
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[4:54] <wheatthins> Or rather, what's a good terminal wifi application
[4:56] <krakrjak> If it's all based on debian or rasbian you might be able to just update your /etc/network/interfaces file
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[4:57] <krakrjak> maybe this stackexchange answer can help: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92799/connecting-to-wifi-network-through-command-line
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[5:04] <wheatthins> My wifi adaptor does not work and it's very hard to get to the ethernet and an hdmi screen simultaneously in this house
[5:04] <wheatthins> Is there a way I can find out what my ip will be once it's on the network so I can ssh to it
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[5:48] <nullm0dem> Is it possible the HDMI port on the PI2 can become damaged and only run in safe mode? I have multiple SD images and distributions and ive exhausted boot flags discussed in forums.
[5:49] <nullm0dem> My HDMI seems locked @640x480
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[6:29] <krakrjak> for the ssh thing, you can scan your net with masscan or even nmap.
[6:29] <krakrjak> to find the system once it has a dhcp address.
[6:35] <krakrjak> nullm0dem: this article and example config.txt from adafruit might help https://learn.adafruit.com/hdmi-uberguide/2109-5-display-touch-mini-driver-800x480
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[6:43] <nullm0dem> krakrjak:I will check it out thanks! It's odd it worked great with a couple of images arch,deb 7/8, rasbian then i moved the setup and it will only run in low res mode.
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[6:58] <John-D> Hi, I have successfuly configure EDUP EP-8531 wireless Adapter. My problem is I can now connect to my Raspberry Pi from my laptop using wirelss Adapter but neither I am not able to ping my modem nor am I able to ping google or 4.2.2.2.
[6:58] <John-D> Is there any one who has faced this issue and successfully resolved the same.
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[7:00] <ShorTie> sounds like your gateway isn't set right
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[7:01] <John-D> My mobile and laptop are able to connect to modem.
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[7:02] <John-D> I am able to access my apache which is on my pi from my mobile.
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[7:03] <John-D> I can ping my pi but not vice-versa
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[7:04] <John-D> Surprisingly I didnt find anyting odd in any configuration.
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[7:11] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[7:21] <krakrjak> John-D: are you sure the pi isn't connecting to a hotspot on your phone or something like that?
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[7:22] <John-D> I dont think so.
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[7:23] <John-D> krakrjak: if you want anything specific to check I can give you the output.
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[7:33] <John-D> Since my wired network is working perfectly, I feel I am missing something in my wirelss setting.
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[7:34] <ShorTie> you know Debian does not/will not use both at once by defualt right ??
[7:34] <John-D> krakrjak: Below are my setting, let me know if you find anything wrong
[7:34] <John-D> root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# cat /etc/network/interfaces iface default inet dhcp iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet dhcp auto wlan0 #allow-hotplug wlan0 iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 broadcast 192.168.1.255 wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf iface default inet dhcp
[7:35] <ShorTie> do you have the ethernet cable pluged in, have you tried unplugging it ??
[7:35] <John-D> root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# cat /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev update_config=1 network={ ssid="Cisco" psk="mypasswd" proto=RSN key_mgmt=WPA-PSK pairwise=TKIP group=TKIP WEP104 WEP40 auth_alg=OPEN }
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[7:36] <John-D> while trying wireless I unplugged the ethernet cable.
[7:36] <ShorTie> you need something like wicd-cursers if you want both at once
[7:36] <John-D> ShorTie: root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0
[7:37] <krakrjak> John-D: from that config it looks like the Pi will always be 192.168.1.4 using 192.168.1.1 as the gateway.
[7:37] <krakrjak> all seems normal.
[7:37] <ShorTie> i perfer to use wicd-cursers to setup wifi any ways, alot easier for me
[7:37] <krakrjak> since you are setting everything up statically, it's possible that you don't have dns entries also... Why not set the wireless up to be dhcp also?
[7:38] <John-D> krakrjak: yes, this setting is for static ip.
[7:38] <John-D> ShorTie: can you please share how to for wicd-cursers. I am not sure on this.
[7:38] <ShorTie> Mr.Google can find at least 1 for it
[7:38] <krakrjak> John-D: and all looks normal from what you pasted. route does not have the ethernet adapter listed.
[7:39] <John-D> ShorTie: oops, sorry
[7:39] <krakrjak> John-D: can you ping 192.168.1.1 from the pi?
[7:40] <John-D> krakrjak: because ethernet is not connected, it didnt appear in the route table.
[7:40] <ShorTie> sorry, don't know much about it off the top of my head and that is where i got any info from
[7:40] <John-D> I am not able to ping 192.168.1.1
[7:40] <John-D> surprisingly, I am able to putty, and take vnc session without any issue.
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[7:41] <John-D> and my php page is accessable from my laptop and mobile.
[7:42] <John-D> wait, let me check if I can access the same from my laptop if it is connected through ethernet.
[7:43] <ShorTie> it's kinda striaght forward and easy
[7:44] <krakrjak> John-D: it sounds like since you set it to be static that it may only have access to the LAN. Might try setting the wlan0 device to dhcp and then locating it on the router and setting up a static dhcp assignment for the pi so its IP doesn't change.
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[7:46] <turambar> hi guys
[7:46] <turambar> i am thinking of using a pi as a wlan router
[7:47] <turambar> setup: usb-wlan and usb-lan-stick connected to usb-hub which is plugged in the pi. wlan for wlan, usb-lan-stick as "wan"-interface. the internal nic will be connected to a switch
[7:47] <turambar> the usb-lan-stick is to get its ip via dhcp from my cable modem
[7:47] <turambar> does anyone have a similar setup?
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[7:50] <John-D> krakrjak: I found few strange things
[7:51] <turambar> the question is: how do i setup the routing? i want all wlan-traffic and all internal-nic traffic to go via usb-lan-stick
[7:52] <John-D> my devices which are on wifi are able to ping the devices which are on ethernet and vice-versa
[7:52] <John-D> my wifi device is able to ping pi which is on wifi
[7:52] <John-D> my ethernet device is not able to ping pi
[7:52] <John-D> my pi is not abel to ping ethernet device
[7:53] <John-D> my pi is able to ping my wifi device.
[7:54] <krakrjak> John-D: do you want the Pi to act as a LAN bridge or to route between the networks?
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[7:55] <John-D> krakrjak: I just want my pi to connect to route and can be used as a mini computer.
[7:56] <krakrjak> turambar: you have a similar connundrum to John-D
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[7:56] <turambar> yes, it seems so :)
[7:56] <krakrjak> So you could make the wifi and onboard LAN different IP segments and have firewall rules for routing between them and have both sements be NAT'd through the LAN stick.
[7:57] <krakrjak> Alternatively you could treat the wired and wlans the same and bridge them and just NAT the bridge to the stick port.
[7:57] <John-D> No, I believe my issue is different.
[7:58] <krakrjak> John-D: your current issue is different, but involves the same concepts that turambar is trying to figure out.
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[8:00] <turambar> the question is actually if, after setting up iptables, do i also have to configure routing?
[8:00] <turambar> i will have rules for usb0, do masquerading
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[8:00] <John-D> krakrjak: my wifi modem is not able to provide ip to my pi when I configure it as dhcp, since all of my devices are on static, I am going to re-configure my laptop for dynamic IP, so, I will be not on irc for 5 minutes or so.
[8:01] <turambar> -i traffic from eth0 and wlan0 -o usb0 accept
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[8:01] <turambar> in the other direction only related and established
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[8:02] <turambar> do i have to do something like "route add default interface usb0"?
[8:02] <John-D_> back again.
[8:02] <John-D_> My wifi modem is working fine as it assigned the ip to my laptop, but not sure why it is not able to assign IP to my pi.
[8:03] <turambar> John-D_: what does dhclient tell you?
[8:04] <John-D_> turambar: I can't check this because I am using pi without monitor.
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[8:05] <John-D_> and if I set it to dhcp, I am not able to connect to pi.
[8:05] <turambar> can't you do ssh on the box?
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[8:06] <turambar> ah ok...
[8:06] <John-D_> when I give static IP to my wifi, yes I am able to..
[8:06] <turambar> and you don't have usb-lan-stick around
[8:06] <turambar> but the pi also has an internal nic?
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[8:07] <turambar> i would try to get your setup working so that you can log in via ssh and then test dhclient "desired-interface"
[8:07] <John-D_> turambar: I am able to connect through my ethernet, but i want to configure wifi on my pi
[8:08] <John-D_> So, yesterday, I purchased a wifi stick
[8:08] <turambar> ok so you can log in via ssh via ethernet
[8:08] <turambar> and want to have dhcp via wlan?
[8:08] <John-D_> let me explain
[8:08] <John-D_> point by ping
[8:08] <John-D_> *point
[8:09] <John-D_> I am not able to configure my wireless adapter for dhcp
[8:09] <John-D_> I am able to give static IP
[8:09] <John-D_> and I am able to ssh when I give static IP
[8:10] <turambar> and you are able to ssh to the pi via ethernet?
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[8:14] <krakrjak> turambar: yeah you will need to specify the default route for the system with three network devices.
[8:15] <turambar> krakrjak: thanks, i thought so :) but as the ip of the interface is likely to change, is there a way to make a default route to a device?
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[8:20] <krakrjak> turambar: yes! You should be able to make ethX the default route statically even if its IP address is obtained dynamically.
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[8:21] <John-D> I belive, I was automatically disconnected because I posted too much. :(
[8:22] <krakrjak> turambar: look at the /etc/network/interfaces documentation for post-up route add and post-down route del
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[8:23] <krakrjak> turambar: that should point you in the right direction.
[8:23] <turambar> wonderful. any worries about performance on my setup?
[8:24] <krakrjak> nah. The internet will be the bottleneck. If the netspeed is really fast or you have too many wifi connections it could get slow with the processor working through so many packets...
[8:25] <krakrjak> but that is not too likely. I bet the networking will be fine.
[8:25] <John-D> krakrjak: do you have any solution to my problem?
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[8:26] <turambar> John-D: i asked if you are able to log in via ethernet before you quit
[8:27] <turambar> krakrjak: i thought so... i mean 4 cores with 900mhz should be sufficient for a little bit iptables, forwarding and routing
[8:27] <John-D> turambar: yes, if I connect through ethernet, I am able to access everything including internet, but with wifi I am facing this issue.
[8:27] <turambar> John-D: but then you can try to "dhclient $wlanif" and see what happens?
[8:28] <John-D> okay, can you share what you want me to change in /etc/network/interfaces, before executing dhclient command.
[8:30] <turambar> you don't have to change anything now. no matter how it is currently setup, if the interface is "up", do a dhclient
[8:30] <John-D> okay, give me a minute
[8:31] <krakrjak> turambar: try auto wlan0\n iface wlan0 inet dhcp \n wpa-ssid YOUR_SSID \n wpa-psk SECRET
[8:31] <turambar> it will override anything curently configured
[8:31] <krakrjak> sorry that was for John-D
[8:32] <krakrjak> here is the debian docs for this one: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
[8:33] <John-D> no response
[8:33] <John-D> root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# dhclient wlan0 ^C root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# cat /etc/network/interfaces iface default inet dhcp iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet dhcp auto wlan0 #allow-hotplug wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp #address 192.168.1.4 #netmask 255.255.255.0 #gateway 192.168.1.1 #broadcast 192.168.1.255 wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf iface default inet dhcp
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[8:34] <John-D> I commented the IP settings and change the statci to dhcp
[8:35] <John-D> turambar: can you give me the setting you have used, may be I have missing something while configuring.
[8:36] <John-D> krakrjak: I request you the same.
[8:36] <turambar> i don't even have a pi, i just want you to debug what is actually happening
[8:37] <John-D> okay, now the prompt returns without any output.
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[8:38] <xamidovic> people i need help
[8:38] <John-D> krakrjak: do you have steps, so that I can try them.
[8:38] <xamidovic> is anyone free to help me with one simple issue /
[8:39] <xamidovic> ?
[8:39] <John-D> xamidovic: just post your issue, if someone have something on that they will themself come forward.
[8:40] <krakrjak> John-D: ok so ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0
[8:40] <krakrjak> John-D: let's see if that will actually give you an IP address on wlan0
[8:40] <krakrjak> John-D: checkable with ip addr show after the ifup wlan0
[8:41] <John-D> okay, one minute
[8:42] <John-D> root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# ifdown wlan0 Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.2.2 Copyright 2004-2011 Internet Systems Consortium. All rights reserved. For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/ Listening on LPF/wlan0/e8:4e:06:27:7e:9b Sending on LPF/wlan0/e8:4e:06:27:7e:9b Sending on Socket/fallback
[8:42] <John-D> root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# ifup wlan0 Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.2.2 Copyright 2004-2011 Internet Systems Consortium. All rights reserved. For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/ Listening on LPF/wlan0/e8:4e:06:27:7e:9b Sending on LPF/wlan0/e8:4e:06:27:7e:9b Sending on Socket/fallback DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 in
[8:42] <xamidovic> i just want to use naked openbox instead of lxde... openbox-session without lxde panel and desktop... is there a simple way of doing this and will simple removing lxde do the thing? thanks
[8:43] <John-D> lastly it says: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[8:43] <krakrjak> John-D: nice. so have you tried using a variant of your existing settings by following the page https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
[8:44] <John-D> No, I didnt, let me check this page.
[8:44] <krakrjak> John-D: two possibilities... One wifi is not associating correctly under DHCP... Unlikely. Two your wifi network is not doing DHCP or needs another step to enable it.
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[8:45] <krakrjak> John-D: Or Three... I have no idea. Seems odd that you can get the wpa-supplicant stuff to work for static address assignment.
[8:45] <John-D> I am of the option that the issue may be the first one, as I am able to get the IP for my laptop. I already tried this to confirm/check dhcp issue.
[8:46] <krakrjak> John-D: but when you go to DHCP it's like there isn't a DHCP server on the wifi (which is pretty odd).
[8:47] <turambar> yeah, it seems there is no dhcp server listening for discovers...
[8:47] <John-D> this is becuase from my wifi I am not able to ping my dhcp, but from eithernet I am able to and I get the Ip from DHCP if I switch to ethernet.
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[8:47] <John-D> as I said earlier, I am not able to ping to 192.168.1.1 from my wifi but I am able to from ethernet.
[8:47] <turambar> well, for dhcp you have to be at least on the same l2 which you kind of establish via wpa (or try to)
[8:48] <turambar> you can't ping anything if you don't have an ip which enables you to ping
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[8:50] <John-D> I am able to ping pi, but I am not able to vice versa, and I dont see any rule in iptables.
[8:53] <xamidovic> anyone ?
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[8:56] <krakrjak> xamidovic: if you have the openbox-session installed then removing the lxde packages should fix that for you.
[8:57] <krakrjak> xamidovic: switching out desktop environments shouldn't be too hard in that if you can select the session from the display manager and that doesn't crash, then removing other desktops is usually safe.
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[8:58] <xamidovic> how do i switch DEs at first ?
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[9:13] <xamidovic> anyone can help me ?
[9:13] <xamidovic> still waiting for your help people ?
[9:14] <krakrjak> xamidovic: here is my process
[9:14] <krakrjak> logout, then select a different session type and try to log in.
[9:15] <krakrjak> If that works out, then remove the packages that provided the other session. logout and back in again to make sure nothing is busted.
[9:15] <xamidovic> be right back
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[9:19] <xamidovic> what exactly now whould i have to type to remove whole lxde ?
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[9:27] <krakrjak> try aptitude search '~ilxde'
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[9:27] <krakrjak> followed by a aptitude purge <list of lxde packages installed>
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[9:32] <turambar> urgh - i heard that lan and usb are connected via the same "bridge" (lan9512 or lan9514) and that this could cause performance issues on my setup...
[9:34] <ShorTie> yes, the lan is connected thru to the usb
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[10:04] <turambar> i wll still try it and make a post about it on the internet about what i did and what the performance actually was :)
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[10:42] <krakrjak> does anyone have running raspbian in qemu vm working at all?
[10:43] <krakrjak> I would really like to validate my toolchain without having to hit the hardware every build.
[10:44] <krakrjak> I can build images for the hardware all day long that seems to work fine, but when I emulate I never get a console and there is no output from qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu arm1176
[10:44] <krakrjak> I have now even built qemu with some google suggested patches and even that is not working.
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[12:30] <Earthnail> Trying to compile libavformat55 for raspbian. It's in wheezy-backports, but there are no Pi packages for that (B+).
[12:31] <Earthnail> Is there a tutorial somewhere on how to compile stuff from backports? I find it a bit confusing so far; adding the wheezy-backports repo as a source repo results in gpg key errors on apt-get update, and also it's not clear how to make sure all the dependencies are built, too
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[12:52] <scoofy> Earthnail: can you get the source package?
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[12:53] <Earthnail> scoofy: well, I guess that would be the first step of my question. I added wheezy-backports as a source repo, I haven't added the wheezy source repo, or the regular wheezy-backports repo. So I have the wheezy repo and the wheezy-backports source repo.
[12:53] <Earthnail> First question: is that configuration fine?
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[12:56] <scoofy> i can't tell
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[13:29] <scoofy> Earthnail: i'd try to somehow get the libavformat55 source, though i can't tell how you can do that
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[13:32] <ShorTie> easiest way to get the stuff is with wget, no need to add a back-port repo
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[13:33] <ShorTie> grab the source and deb from the debian page, right click to get url, then just wget them
[13:35] <ShorTie> like grab the soure tar.gz, untar it, cd source, grab the deb and untar it
[13:35] <ShorTie> then use dpkgbuild package to build it
[13:35] <ShorTie> it will tell you what in missing
[13:39] <ShorTie> "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b -tc" to be more exact
[13:40] <Earthnail> ShorTie: thanks a lot
[13:40] <ShorTie> No Problem
[13:40] <Earthnail> I just got the backport repo to work and am now running `apt-get -b source libav`
[13:40] <Earthnail> ...aaaaand it failed :D. Will use your method now.
[13:41] <ShorTie> hmmm, whats the -b for ??
[13:41] <Earthnail> --build
[13:41] <Earthnail> like, grab it and compile it
[13:41] <Earthnail> creates a .deb file as a result
[13:41] <Earthnail> but it just failed saying: dpkg-buildpackage: warning: build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting
[13:41] <ShorTie> forget that
[13:42] <ShorTie> ya, it will, but should give you a list of what it wants
[13:42] <Earthnail> yes, it does, downloading that now
[13:42] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[13:43] <Earthnail> hmmm... well, it depends on a whole lot of other packages that are only available in the backports repo, meaning I would also have to compile all of those
[13:43] <Earthnail> -.-
[13:43] <Earthnail> The thing is, a newer version exists in the jessie repo but I don't want to do a dist-upgrade just to get a single package
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[13:53] <ShorTie> you couldtry pinning it and see what happens
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[13:54] <ShorTie> but i'd backup your sdcard before playing if you got any other goodies on it
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[15:16] <testdrive> hi
[15:17] <scoofy> hi.
[15:21] <testdrive> i downloaded debian package of samba4.1.17 from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/armhf/samba/download and when trying to install i have following error
[15:21] <testdrive> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess tar was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) dpkg: error processing samba_4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1_armhf.deb (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
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[15:24] <testdrive> i use sudo dpkg -i "samba_4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1_armhf.deb"
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[15:26] <testdrive> some one can help me?
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[15:30] <testdrive> 8-)
[15:36] <scoofy> why not: apt-get install samba
[15:36] <testdrive> because on wheezy repository is avaliable only version 4.0.0.beta
[15:37] <testdrive> there are many bugs i have problem with dns dealing with this
[15:37] <testdrive> when i*
[15:38] <testdrive> when i try compile samba4.2.1 a have errors
[15:39] <testdrive> so i stick on this right now
[15:39] <scoofy> armhf is armv7 only?
[15:39] <scoofy> so that runs only on pi 2
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[15:40] <scoofy> "In practice armel will be used for older CPUs (armv4t, armv5, armv6), and armhf for newer CPUs (armv7+VFP)."
[15:40] <scoofy> https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort
[15:40] <ShorTie> raspbian wheezy is armhf
[15:40] <testdrive> yes
[15:40] <scoofy> but pi 1 = armv6 not armv7
[15:41] <scoofy> isn't that a problem?
[15:41] <ShorTie> they recompile everything to hf for themselves
[15:42] <ShorTie> that is why they don't use ftp.debian
[15:42] <scoofy> so debian wheezy packages won't work directly in raspbian wheezy
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[15:42] <ShorTie> don't think so
[15:42] <scoofy> so probably that's the reason, testdrive.
[15:43] <ShorTie> but don't think there is anything in the 1 that isn't in the other, but plugwash would be the guru on that since he maintains it all
[15:43] <testdrive> so where i can find right binaries for me?
[15:44] <scoofy> maybe there's no pre-compiled binaries for samba4.1.17 for raspbian.
[15:44] <testdrive> i must compile samba4.1.17 on my raspi?
[15:44] <ShorTie> backport you most likely gotta compile on your own
[15:44] <testdrive> hmm
[15:45] <ShorTie> not hard, as long as the dependancies jive
[15:45] <testdrive> thats take years ;))
[15:45] <ShorTie> but that is most likely why it's a backport and not in regular
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[15:46] <testdrive> ShorTie: i try compile samba 4.2.1 but have errors
[15:46] <ShorTie> switch to jessie maybe ??
[15:46] <testdrive> im newbe in this
[15:47] <ShorTie> not hard, just takes awhile because your changing out 700+ packages
[15:47] <testdrive> this another ditribution of raspbian ?
[15:47] <testdrive> that*
[15:47] <ShorTie> jessie is the new stable of debian
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[15:48] <testdrive> ok i understand
[15:48] <ShorTie> and ya, it's all at the same place
[15:49] <ShorTie> just gotta change wheezy to jessie in sources.list, then apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
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[15:49] <testdrive> remove wheeezy packages from sources.list?
[15:50] <ShorTie> think they are workin on switching over to jessie as a official release, as soon as they get all the bugs out of wheezy
[15:50] <ShorTie> no, just change the name
[15:50] <testdrive> ok
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[15:51] <ShorTie> here is a 1-liner that does it for you " sudo sed -i 's/wheezy/jessie/' /etc/apt/sources.list "
[15:51] <ShorTie> but backup your sdcard 1st i'd recommend
[15:52] <ShorTie> if you got anything special on it
[15:52] <testdrive> this is fresh installation
[15:52] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[15:52] <testdrive> but 4rd
[15:52] <testdrive> :))
[15:53] <scoofy> ShorTie: do you know, will raspbian jessie come with systesd as default init? or how will that work
[15:53] <ShorTie> at 1,000,000,000 i lost count of my fresh installs, lol.
[15:53] <ShorTie> don't really know all that
[15:53] <ShorTie> don't know if they even do, lol.
[15:54] <scoofy> okay.
[15:54] <testdrive> yeah
[15:54] <shiftplusone> 5 victory points to whoever figured out how to disable serial console cleanly in jessie.
[15:54] <shiftplusone> *figures
[15:54] <ShorTie> most likely they will follow debian though
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[15:54] <shiftplusone> scoofy: and yes, of course we will use systemd.
[15:54] <ShorTie> there is the man to bug about it
[15:54] <ShorTie> Laughs Out Loud
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[15:55] <testdrive> ShorTie right now i downloading samba from jessie rep thanks;)
[15:55] <testdrive> via apt-get
[15:55] <ShorTie> mix-n-matching don't work to well i don't think
[15:55] <testdrive> 4.1.17
[15:56] <testdrive> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess tar was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkeyutils1_1.5.9-5_armhf.deb (--unpack):
[15:56] <testdrive> :-(
[15:56] <testdrive> clear cache?
[15:57] <scoofy> shiftplusone: will it work with another init system, without systemd?
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[15:57] <shiftplusone> I believe so.
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[15:58] <shiftplusone> I'm modifying raspi-config right now and I'm making sure sysvinit support remains there... I'm not trying to break sysvinit support in the things that I change and it is my understanding that debian doesn't do that either.
[15:58] <shiftplusone> It's just changing the default init system.
[15:58] <scoofy> afaik (at least currently) only gnome depends on systemd. also there's some dependency issue with udev (though i haven't looked into that in depth)
[15:59] <testdrive> ShorTie: can u tell me what i can do?
[15:59] <scoofy> and systemd itself purports to be fully compatible with sysv scripts, at least in theory
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[16:04] <scoofy> i wonder how systemd as default may potentially change things over time. depends on the upstream package maintainers what init scripts they support with their packages
[16:05] <shiftplusone> Well, devs are encouraged to support systemd upstream... how and whether they do it is up to them.
[16:05] <scoofy> sure.
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[16:07] <diederik> shiftplusone: why do you want to disable serial console?
[16:08] <shiftplusone> diederik: it's a raspi-config feature. But I've changed my mind... I'd rather keep reading up on systemd to make sure I understand it fully before I go trying random suggestions.
[16:09] <scoofy> i spent a few days reasearching systemd. based on that, i'm not sure i want that in my system.....
[16:09] <diederik> ok, sounds like a good plan :)
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[16:11] <shiftplusone> I like the idea of not running random shells just to boot. Why do you need 100s of lines in simple services which are basically identical to each other? Why do you need to parse the same files over and over? Why do you have redundant settings files for things already set elsewhere? Why does every distro keep those files in different places? Sysvinit is an ugly mess. I don't know if systemd is the answer, but people who know a lot more abo
[16:11] <shiftplusone> ut it than I do seem to think so. I don't think debian (which has a reputation for stability) would go changing init systems for fun.
[16:12] <scoofy> i researched openrc recently, that also looks pretty clean and short and non-redundant
[16:13] <scoofy> sysv scripts are quite a mess, compared to any modern init system
[16:13] <shiftplusone> I remember using openrc on gentoo... don't remember much about it though.
[16:13] <scoofy> the problem (at least, one of the problems) is that systemd has a huge scope creep... if it were only an 'init' system, people probably wouldn't have that many issues with it
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[16:14] <scoofy> currently it is trying to be a 'core OS building blocks', in other words, it's trying to be kinda 'a second kernel in userland'
[16:14] <diederik> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html
[16:15] <shiftplusone> diederik: already got that open.
[16:15] <scoofy> some of its ideas are fine (and it's party a copy of osx's launchd), but it has some implementation issues
[16:15] <shiftplusone> diederik: going through that whole series of posts
[16:15] <diederik> yeah, me too
[16:15] <diederik> also found the man page?
[16:15] <shiftplusone> yeah
[16:16] <scoofy> i checked openrc and openbsd's rc, and both of them define 'default' script behaviour, so you only need to specify things in scripts that differ. so both are pretty clean and short, compared to sysv scripts
[16:16] <shiftplusone> scoofy: I'll need to run into those issue myself first. So far, the only issue is that I need to do a little bit of unlearning.
[16:16] <scoofy> some people are fine with it
[16:16] <scoofy> (minus the re-learning things, of course)
[16:18] <shiftplusone> I've seen a lot of complaining about systemd, but I've been using it on Arch for a long time and have no gripes against it. I've been reading the boycott systemd type pages and haven't seen anything particularly persuasive there. Keeping an open mind to the possibility that it's terrible, but haven't seen it yet.
[16:21] <scoofy> i think some ppl have architectural criticism against it
[16:22] <shiftplusone> sure "do one thing and do it well"/KISS, is the main one.
[16:23] <scoofy> afaik it currently has about 500,000 lines of code in its repo...
[16:23] <shiftplusone> But I think if you stick to regimented ways of doing things as if there's only one correct approach, you end up being a 70 year old RISCOS user only using BASIC.
[16:24] <scoofy> that's the problem - systemd tries to be the 'only one correct approach'
[16:24] <shiftplusone> How many lines of code does Linux have versus RiscOS? Is that an argument against Linux?
[16:24] <scoofy> well, some people don't like how bloated the linux kernel is... (including Linus Torvalds)
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[16:24] <scoofy> so yes, that is a valid argument, actually
[16:25] <scoofy> Torvalds had a rant on that
[16:25] <shiftplusone> that was about ARM, wasn't it?
[16:25] <shiftplusone> that situation has improved a lot since then.
[16:25] <scoofy> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/
[16:26] <scoofy> i think that's a general observation
[16:26] <shiftplusone> ah, a different rant
[16:26] <scoofy> "I mean, sometimes it's a bit sad that we are definitely not the streamlined, small, hyper-efficient kernel that I envisioned 15 years ago...The kernel is huge and bloated, and our icache footprint is scary. I mean, there is no question about that. And whenever we add a new feature, it only gets worse."
[16:26] <shiftplusone> "We're getting bloated and huge. Yes, it's a problem," said Torvalds...... He maintains, however, that stability is not a problem. "I think we've been pretty stable," he said. "We are finding the bugs as fast as we're adding them — even though we're adding more code.
[16:26] <scoofy> so even Linus Torvalds thinks that the linux kernel is bloated...
[16:27] <shiftplusone> Journalism! \O/
[16:27] <scoofy> although he also maintains that microkernel-architecture is worse than monolithic
[16:27] <shiftplusone> but yeah... don't particularly care. It does more things than RiscOS.
[16:27] <shiftplusone> although to be fair, I should probably be using something like FreeBSD as a comparison
[16:28] <shiftplusone> Which... may be a little more persuasive.
[16:28] <shiftplusone> But if everyone jumps ship to FreeBSD, it will bloat up just as much (or it won't be fit for purpose)
[16:28] <scoofy> so yea. those are both valid arguments. small, simple things are often better. but then, those lack the features.
[16:28] <scoofy> yep... same thing will possible happen to FreeBSD within the next 10 years :)
[16:28] <scoofy> if everyone jumps ship
[16:28] <shiftplusone> anyway... we'll see how it goes.
[16:29] <scoofy> and some company comes and decides to turn it into "the next OSX/Win clone"
[16:29] <scoofy> sure. we'll see.
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[18:19] <HotCoder> hello
[18:19] <HotCoder> :)
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[18:21] <scoofy> hello
[18:24] <HotCoder> whats up?
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[20:36] <tisho> hi, visual irc client for Raspbian ?
[20:36] <scoofy> xchat
[20:36] <scoofy> pidgin too
[20:36] <scoofy> if you mean X-basedf
[20:38] <tisho> x-based. yes
[20:38] <tisho> thanks
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[20:38] <scoofy> also 'apt-cache search irc | grep -v '^lib' | grep client | more' may give you some ideas
[20:39] <scoofy> also smuxi
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[20:42] <tisho> scoofy cool idea, thanks ;)
[20:42] <scoofy> yw
[20:42] * tisho is the old-school Bx user :)
[20:47] <scoofy> that's not in the raspbian repo
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[21:56] <apseudonym> hello
[21:57] <scoofy> hello
[21:57] <apseudonym> I'm having a bit of trouble installing debian, following instructions from here https://docs.docker.com/installation/debian/
[21:58] <apseudonym> when I run sudo apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64 I'm told that the package can't be located
[21:58] <apseudonym> *trouble installing docker rather
[21:59] <apseudonym> any advice for this one stumbling block would be very appreciated
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[22:02] <scoofy> this is #raspbian
[22:02] <scoofy> raspi is armv6, not amd64
[22:03] <scoofy> so you're either in the wrong channel, or try to use the wrong architecture
[22:03] <apseudonym> argh
[22:04] <shiftplusone> (or are drunk)
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[22:04] <shiftplusone> My money was on drunk
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[22:04] <apseudonym> that was strange
[22:04] <apseudonym> thanks guys
[22:05] <apseudonym> I thought it was a long shot, but seeing as it's what docker recommend on their site I thought it would be suitable, I mean, not everyone's going to be using intel right?
[22:05] <apseudonym> I'll keep digging, but thanks very much for pointing me in the right direction
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