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IRC Log for 2015-05-29

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[1:50] <q-bert> my root fs is mounted read only for some reason
[1:50] <q-bert> is there a way to remount rw ?
[1:51] <q-bert> 36.435938] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): ext4_journal_check_start:56: Detected aborted journal
[1:51] <q-bert> [ 36.459236] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): Remounting filesystem read-only
[1:51] <q-bert> that must be the problem
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[5:00] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Can someone help me with getting lightdm configured to appear on incoming VNC connections?
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[5:01] <hmmwhatsthisdo> I uncommented/enabled the VNC config settings in lightDM's config file and made sure x11vnc/tightvncserver/etc. was installed, but when I connect all I see is the background of the login screen
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[5:01] <hmmwhatsthisdo> a window flashes in the middle, but it's black/white checkers and disappears after a fraction of a second
[5:01] <shay_shay> hello. mayhaps someone can help me with debian. unrelated to raspberry pi in the sense it's a PC and not a rpi, but still related because raspberry runs raspbian which is based on debian... ;)
[5:02] <hmmwhatsthisdo> shay_shay: #debian?
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[5:20] <hmmwhatsthisdo> ...anyone?
[5:20] <hmmwhatsthisdo> it seems like it's trying to render the login screen, but something's stopping it
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[13:44] <flip214> Hi. I'm trying to get a ppp connection between two rpi running, but as soon as I say "ifup ppp0" the Rpi freezes.
[13:45] <flip214> I use SSH via wlan0 to configure; the TX/RX pins are directly connected (crossover)
[13:45] <flip214> the "up" command is "pppd -detach noauth nocrtscts lock local nodefaultroute xonxoff 172.16.1.2:172.16.1.1 /dev/ttyAMA0 9600"
[13:46] <flip214> I'm using 3.18.12-v7+. Any ideas why it would be freezing?
[13:49] <flip214> I'm using pin 8 and 10 on the GPIO header, ie. GPIO14 and 15
[13:50] <shiftplusone> flip214: which pi is it?
[13:50] <flip214> one's a B+, the other a 2
[13:50] <shiftplusone> Is the red LED always solid?
[13:51] <flip214> when freezing, yes. green doesn't blink anymore.
[13:51] <shiftplusone> does setting up a watchdog reset it?
[13:52] <flip214> how would I do that?
[13:52] <flip214> googling right now.
[13:52] <flip214> apt-get install watchdog
[13:55] <flip214> any ideas which file I can use to test?
[13:55] <flip214> freezes
[13:56] <flip214> let's see whether it gets rebooted
[13:57] <flip214> yes, reboots automatically.
[13:57] <shiftplusone> It really sounds like a power problem, but you're saying that the red LED is always solid... so I'm a bit stumped
[13:57] <shiftplusone> Doesn't flicker at all from boot to freeze?
[13:58] <flip214> no.
[13:58] <flip214> and why should there be a power problem?
[13:58] <flip214> the serial line wouldn't use that much power, I guess.
[13:59] <flip214> oh, and currently the GPIO pins are not connected - so there *can't* be too much power lost via them...
[14:02] <flip214> If I run pppd manually with the debug option I get these lines:
[14:02] <flip214> using channel 1
[14:02] <flip214> Using interface ppp0
[14:02] <flip214> Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyAMA0
[14:02] <flip214> sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0xa0000> <magic 0xe5290dfc> <pcomp> <accomp>]
[14:02] <flip214> and then the rpi is dead.
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[14:05] <flip214> okay.... without "local", it hangs trying to use the port (of course, rts/cts not connected).
[14:05] <flip214> with local it hangs.
[14:10] <flip214> shiftplusone: before I removed the console=ttyAMA0 kernel boot option, the serial port should've been used exactly like now - with nothing connected.
[14:10] <flip214> so I don't think it's a power issue.
[14:12] <flip214> hrmpf. just this one command is enough to freeze my Rpi: "pppd -detach noauth nocrtscts lock local nodefaultroute xonxoff 172.16.1.2:172.16.1.1 /dev/ttyAMA0 115200"
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[14:16] <scoofy> why do I get these cryptsetup WARNINGs at initramfs-tools?
[14:16] <scoofy> https://paste.debian.net/187312/
[14:18] <scoofy> is that normal?
[14:19] <flip214> hmmm, screen seems to be able to open the serial port just fine...
[14:19] <scoofy> also: ln: failed to create hard link `/boot/initrd.img-3.18.0-trunk-rpi.dpkg-bak' => `/boot/initrd.img-3.18.0-trunk-rpi': Operation not permitted
[14:21] <shiftplusone> scoofy: yeah, since /boot is fat32, you can ln things like that.
[14:22] <flip214> happens even if I run ppp0 as a user...
[14:23] <scoofy> well apt-get upgrade tried doing that.
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[14:26] <shiftplusone> scoofy: because you're using the 'debian'-style kernel
[14:26] <shiftplusone> which does silly things
[14:28] <flip214> "cat /dev/ttyAMA0" does work normally...
[14:34] <scoofy> is it recommended to regularly apt-get upgrade?
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[14:39] <shiftplusone> scoofy: yes
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[14:44] <scoofy> is there a changelog of some sort to keep track of what's changing / updated in the repos over time?
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[14:46] <shiftplusone> each package has its own changelog
[14:46] <mongrelion> Hi there o/
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[15:00] <scoofy> shiftplusone: where can that be found?
[15:00] <scoofy> hi mongrelion
[15:06] <mongrelion> Hey, guys, I'm having an odd behavior with my RPi + Raspbian (the 2015-05-05 release) and getting an IP from my router. If I plug my RPi to the router before or after boot time I can see the network LEDs blinking but I can't by any means get an IP address. Unfortunately my router sucks and doesn't have a list of active clients connected to it so I have taken two different approaches: one is nmapping b
[15:06] <mongrelion> ut the RPi won't pop up on the list and the second one is (continued on next line)
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[15:07] <scoofy> you get the ip address upon boot
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[15:07] <scoofy> assuming your router uses dhcp
[15:08] <mongrelion> (oh, darn, sorry about that) is to drop a `ip=x.x.x.x` in the cmdline.txt file to connect my RPi directly to my computer, SSH into it, and then update the `/etc/network/interfaces` and drop a static IP in there but that also won't work. Any ideas on what's going on? :/
[15:08] <mongrelion> my router uses DHCP, yes.
[15:08] <scoofy> ifup -a ?
[15:09] <scoofy> did you also specify default gateway in /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:09] <mongrelion> I don't have a monitor to connect my RPI to, scoofy
[15:09] <mongrelion> yes, default gateway, netmask, etc.
[15:09] <scoofy> via ssh?
[15:09] <scoofy> how did you ssh into it then
[15:11] <mongrelion> My inserting the SD card into my computer, append `ip=169.254.0.2` to the cmdline.txt file, then ejecting the SD card from my computer, insert it into the RPi, then pluggin the ethernet cable both into the RPi and my computer and then turning on the RPi. In that way I can access the RPi via `ssh `pi@169.254.0.2`
[15:11] <mongrelion> s/My/By
[15:11] <scoofy> okay then that's not 'ssh'
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[15:12] <scoofy> when editing the sd card
[15:12] <scoofy> but you can plug the cable in directly, it gets 169.254.0.2, and then you can ssh into it
[15:12] <scoofy> what do you mean 'plugging the ethernet cable both into the rpi and my computer'
[15:12] <scoofy> you have 2 ethernet cables without a router?
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[15:22] <mongrelion> scoofy: What I mean is that I can SSH into the RPi after editing by hand the cmdline.txt file, then inserting the SD card into the RPi, booting and connecting the RPi to my computer. Then I can SSH into it so that I can modify the interfaces file to drop in a static IP and also revert the change to the cmdline.txt file so that it doesn't get the 169.x.x.x IP, reboot and plug to the router but I still
[15:22] <mongrelion> can't get connection to it.
[15:23] <mongrelion> It's like the networking process was not working at all but if I SSH while the RPi being connected to my computer and I `ps aux | grep dhcp` then I can see the `dhcpcd` process running
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[15:24] <mongrelion> :/ I have no idea what's going on. Pity that I don't have a TV set at home to plug it to and see what's going on. I don't have a monitor either. Nothing.
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[15:24] <scoofy> does your computer have a monitor?
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[15:26] <vagrantc> mongrelion: can you get to a point where you can paste your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere?
[15:27] <vagrantc> might be a simple syntax error
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[15:32] <Guiri> Does anybody know the state of hardware-assisted h264 encoding? I believe it's just implemented in gstreamer but not in ffmpeg yet for the pi?
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[16:33] <mongrelion> vagrantc: not at the moment but will find a way later. It could be syntax error, yes, but I get no network also if I leave the configuration as it comes out of the box (dhcp).
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[16:59] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Can someone help me with some lightDM/VNC issues? I'm trying to configure a rPi to show the lightDM GTK greeter upon connection, and I've hit a wall - the greeter works over a local terminal, but not VNC
[16:59] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> (I just see the background and no actual greeter)
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[17:01] <scoofy> is it possible that an apt-get update, updating apache2, updates the config files so ErrorDocument settings get overwritten?
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[17:41] <buu> scoofy: The upgrade process will ask you if it changes any files you have local modifications to
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[17:59] <phant0mRed> Hello I have a question
[18:00] <phant0mRed> I am building a Raspberry Pi cluster and I am looking for a way to install the Raspbian OS from my Desktop PC
[18:00] <phant0mRed> can this be done?
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[18:00] <buu> yes
[18:00] <buu> but why
[18:02] <phant0mRed> well I have 11 raspberrys and its not really efficient to download the OS on every single SD card
[18:02] <phant0mRed> and configure it 11 times
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[18:02] <phant0mRed> could you tell me how it is done?
[18:04] <phant0mRed> I forgot to add installing Raspberian OS from my Desktop PC through the network and on to the SD card
[18:06] <hid3> lol. I'm doing useless, trivial and unefficient work every day at my workplace. And no one cares about that. (Barclays, BTCL)
[18:07] <scoofy> buu: apparently it didn't
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[18:09] <buu> scoofy: Seems unlikely but if true file a bug
[18:10] <scoofy> i'm not sure what happened but my ErrorDocument setting changed some time
[18:10] <scoofy> and i didn't modify it myself
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[18:11] <scoofy> and i don't know when it happened
[18:12] <buu> hrm
[18:12] <buu> http://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php
[18:12] <scoofy> what is that good for
[18:15] <buu> booting things
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[19:48] <flip214> any ideas why my rpi hangs/crashes (as in no more ping, no ssh etc.) when I run pppd on ttyAMA0? I can use cat and stty on the serial line, but pppd kills it.
[19:48] <flip214> that's even without anything connected, so no power issue.
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[19:57] <ShorTie> don't know if i'd rule that out without actually measuring with a volt meter
[19:58] <flip214> ShorTie: the gpio pins are not connected to anything. so what should draw power, apart from the Rpi? there's *no* load on the pins.
[19:58] <ShorTie> what model pi if i can ask ??
[19:59] <flip214> one's a b+, ones a 2
[20:00] <ShorTie> because the 1st thing a pi does when it starts having power issues is shut down the usb which the network is connected thru
[20:00] <flip214> hmmm, okay.
[20:00] <flip214> the red led is solid, the green has stopped blinking.
[20:00] <ShorTie> how big is your power supply ??
[20:01] <flip214> using an USB cable to the notebook
[20:01] <ShorTie> that could be the problem there
[20:01] <ShorTie> usb spec says 500ma
[20:02] <flip214> yeah, but it's not doing anything else
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[20:02] <ShorTie> does you micro-usb cable have any writing on it ??
[20:02] <flip214> why should changing voltage levels on unconnected pins take any power? and just activating the rs232 part in the IC shouldn't need tenths of mA, too
[20:03] <ShorTie> or is it one of those cheapy phone charging cords that are no good ??
[20:03] <flip214> "made in china"
[20:03] <ShorTie> is it thin and flexiable ??
[20:03] <flip214> how much power can activating rs232 need?
[20:04] <flip214> I've used that cable to run the rpi to 100% cpu, that'll surely need much more amperage than gpio setup?!?!
[20:04] <ShorTie> ok, i'll hush
[20:05] <flip214> no, thanks for the suggestion. I don't have any idea, so I'll fish for any hint I can get.
[20:05] <flip214> I just don't really believe (yet) that this could be the issue
[20:05] <ShorTie> i'd try a real micro-usb cable that has wire sizes writen on it like 2-28awg/2-24awg
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[20:06] <ShorTie> without a volt meter and actually measuring you do not know !!
[20:06] <flip214> so, if I understand you correctly, if I find a power source that can deliver at least 1A I shall try again?
[20:06] <flip214> well, if it's just a short spike, I can't measure without an oscilloscope anyway.
[20:07] <flip214> I'll fetch a capacitor and my voltmeter
[20:07] <ShorTie> the micro-usb is the most over looked problem causing thing
[20:07] <ShorTie> a phone don't care if it looses a 1/2v across the cable because it is charging a 3.7v battery
[20:08] <ShorTie> but if the pi dips low, even for a split second, BAM, you got problems
[20:08] <ShorTie> that is why you need real wire, not no tensle coated plastic
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[20:09] <flip214> right now I measure 4.8V
[20:09] <ShorTie> that is at the min a pi should be run at, so like to room to run
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[20:10] <flip214> well, after pressing <CR> I see 4.78 to 4.82 .... but I have no oscilloscope
[20:10] <ShorTie> and i bet if you change out your cable it will jump upto 5v
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[20:12] <flip214> Hmmmm, have to search for another one....
[20:13] <flip214> with an additional cap on 5V/GND it freezes all the same, but blinks green once a second later
[20:14] <flip214> voltmeter says 4.83V
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[20:17] <ShorTie> a cap isn't gonna have an effect, or much effect, on the voltage loose across the cable
[20:17] <flip214> now using a separate power adapter, says 5.00V
[20:17] <flip214> I had the cap on the +5/GND pins on the gpio header
[20:17] <flip214> that's where I'm measuring, too
[20:17] <ShorTie> i understand
[20:18] <flip214> 5.04V, Rpi hangs
[20:18] <ShorTie> but a cap just stores more, just like a battery
[20:19] <flip214> yeah, so it should dampen any load spike, so that the poor cable isn't that much of a problem
[20:20] <ShorTie> but it doesn't fix the problem, it just a work maybe around for the real problem
[20:20] <flip214> if that's the problem in my current setup, it's no problem in production use
[20:20] <flip214> there I've got LOTS of power.
[20:21] <flip214> about 100W with 12V, and on 5V I still have 2A. And much shorter cables. And extra caps.
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[20:22] <flip214> great, now it won't boot anymore. I think I've shot the filesystem with all the crashes.
[20:24] <flip214> okay.
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[20:25] <flip214> how could I find out what goes wrong, without a serial console?
[20:27] <flip214> with 10 processes, each using 100%CPU, the voltage goes down to a stable 4.72V, and the Rpi keeps running.
[20:28] <ShorTie> spec is 5.0vdc +/- 0.2v, sooo......
[20:28] <flip214> additional USB/net/sdcard use gets me no lower
[20:29] <flip214> spec for what? the rpi itself runs at 3V3, right?
[20:29] <flip214> and USB should recover, IMO. if there is really such a load spike.
[20:29] <flip214> now, without load, I'm back at 4.81V. on the notebook, with the bad cable. hrmpf.
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[20:30] <flip214> ShorTie: does this command work for you, after deactivating getty and kernel console on ttyAMA0?
[20:30] <flip214> # pppd -detach noauth nocrtscts lock local nodefaultroute xonxoff 172.16.1.2:172.16.1.1 /dev/ttyAMA0 38400
[20:30] <Getty> flip214: you do NOT deactivate the getty...... as if we are some kind of second class citizen you can just deactivate when we are in your way
[20:30] <Getty> flip214: no way! else we go into strike
[20:32] <flip214> thanks for the info. any helpful ideas?
[20:32] <Getty> dude, that was a joke ;)
[20:32] <Getty> cant a getty make a getty joke?
[20:32] <Getty> ;-)
[20:33] <flip214> only after-hours. I still can't run pppd, so work's not done yet. ;)
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[20:37] <flip214> when running without "local" (and strace) I can stop pppd with Ctrl-C after some 15 secs, and the rpi keeps on running.
[20:39] <flip214> hmmm, but since starting that pppd (and killing it) I loose ping packets.... and ssh is very sluggy, too.
[20:39] <flip214> perhaps some thread taking all the CPU away?
[20:41] <flip214> is that a software rs232 emulation?
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[20:45] <flip214> do I have to reserve the pins via devicetree or something?
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[21:31] <beardy> Is anyone else having an update-initramfs that fails to rebuild initrd because it tries to create a hrd link on /boot, which is vfat (and it is everywhere so.. I wonder if it is not fixed?)
[21:32] <beardy> hard*
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[21:33] <beardy> (vfat does not support hard links, and that is the reason. But others must have had this issue and.. reported it?)
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[21:34] <beardy> What I have to do is copy boot/ to another directory, bind mount that to boot/, let it do what it wants, and copy it back to the SD-card.
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[21:41] <scoofy> beardy: i get a warning for that, though it doesn't fail
[21:42] <beardy> scoofy: Oh.. interesting.
[21:43] <scoofy> beardy: i get this: https://paste.debian.net/187312/
[21:46] <beardy> I don't understand why anyone would even want a hard link as a "backup", it's going to change.. and not be a backup..
[21:46] <scoofy> no idea. doesn't make too much sense
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