#raspbian IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-08-28

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[0:01] <kb3vgw> the is a poder plug with the adapter on the end it not a usb cable
[0:01] <kb3vgw> poder/power
[0:02] <kb3vgw> this is fustrating
[0:03] <methuzla> what do you mean "not a usb cable"? i'm not following
[0:04] <kb3vgw> its a powerplug hard wired
[0:04] <kb3vgw> its not a plug adapter
[0:05] <methuzla> but it's still going into the micro usb for power?
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[0:06] <kb3vgw> yes
[0:06] <kb3vgw> it has a micro usb plug on it
[0:08] <kb3vgw> well I have figure out whats wrong
[0:08] <kb3vgw> this is killing our project with out being able to have the usb sound at the min
[0:10] <methuzla> have you set max_usb_current=1 in /boot/config.txt ?
[0:14] <kb3vgw> just set it.
[0:14] <kb3vgw> see if this worls
[0:14] <methuzla> and is this wired network or wireless?
[0:14] <kb3vgw> wired
[0:15] <kb3vgw> but the onboard nic on the pi-2 is usb
[0:15] <kb3vgw> and I think its ausb conflict
[0:15] <kb3vgw> of some sort
[0:18] <methuzla> i haven't made the move to jessie/systemd yet, so not if anything there could be the issue
[0:18] <methuzla> *not sure if
[0:24] <kb3vgw> hmm well the usb gps does not cause a issue
[0:25] <kb3vgw> and its so far only the usb sound card
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[0:26] <kb3vgw> well just fustrating
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[5:49] <zGrr> moin :)
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[7:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[7:46] <DoctorD90> guys, iso/img for rpi2, have to get grub? i havent, so i dont know. someone just tells me some days ago :)
[7:50] <lordievader> No, the pi expects the kernel to be at a certain spot. That is hardcoded.
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[7:57] <DoctorD90> ah...well...si i can make a bootstrapped env but create iso for rpi isnt really 'simple'....well...i have to learn that so
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[10:12] <John[Lisbeth]> you have to have the package "perl" intalled
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[11:31] <The_Borg> hello world im having trouble with the smbus lib its missing "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SMBus'" i have installed most everything but it still fails on this error even in the python ide when i import it
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[11:38] <moparisthebest> I have an A+ and the camera module, but anytime I try to actually use the camera the entire pi locks up and I have to unplug it to reboot it, any ideas?
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[11:38] <moparisthebest> this is with a fully updated raspbian, and the build-root based motionpi
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[11:53] <shiftplusone> pere: Hey o/
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[12:20] <pere> shiftplusone: hey. :)
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[12:22] <pere> shiftplusone: did you have any luck building sonic-pi outside raspbian?
[12:24] <shiftplusone> pere: haven't looked at it, but it seems like something that has been discussed in the past. Sec, let me pull up some emails.
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[12:26] <shiftplusone> "there are ruby gem dependencies which may or may not be packaged... There are also specific requirements of fairly new versions of things Sonic Pi relies on for performance, and at the time I looked there was some minified JavaScript which violated Debian policy but I think Sam may have removed it."
[12:26] <shiftplusone> "pecifically a lot of re-working of the structure of the app - converting a lot of the Ruby deps into Gems (or using pre-packaged gems) and working on compilation automation"
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[12:27] <shiftplusone> still waiting to hear from sam himself to clarify the specifics there
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[12:43] <moparisthebest> what can I do if using the camera module locks up the pi?
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[12:49] <shiftplusone> check your power, to start with
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[13:34] <moparisthebest> shiftplusone: I've tried 2 different power adapters, a 1A one and a 2.7A one ?
[13:35] <shiftplusone> moparisthebest: which pi is it?
[13:35] <moparisthebest> the A+ with the rpi wifi usb module and the camera module, nothing else
[13:35] <moparisthebest> no screen/keyboard/mouse
[13:36] <shiftplusone> moparisthebest: does the red LED on the pi itself always stay on?
[13:36] <shiftplusone> especially around the time it locks up
[13:37] <shiftplusone> also, how do you know it's locking up and not just dropping the network if you're running headless?
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[14:07] <moparisthebest> shiftplusone: the red LED on the pi stays on, as does the red LED on the camera, the wifi light usually goes off though, but it never comes back up
[14:07] <moparisthebest> and the yellow light on the pi stops blinking
[14:07] <shiftplusone> so it sounds like your network is dropping
[14:08] <shiftplusone> do you have a 3.3v serial to usb adapter?
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[14:15] <altin> can anyone help with this issue?
[14:15] <altin> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32272955/raspberrypi-16x2-lcd-and-utp-cable-shows-gibberish-text
[14:15] <kb3vgw> hey guys I have a question about raspbian imgs and why they break linux fhs
[14:16] <kb3vgw> why are they moving /ver/run to /run and and then making a link from /var/run to run
[14:16] <kb3vgw> doung the samething with ./var/run/lock
[14:17] <kb3vgw> why are they changing the default linux layout
[14:20] <shiftplusone> who is they?
[14:21] <kb3vgw> who ever designed the img
[14:21] <kb3vgw> that carries the official ning for he pi
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[14:21] <kb3vgw> rthe official raspbian img
[14:21] <shiftplusone> it's just bootstrapped debian
[14:21] <kb3vgw> no its not
[14:22] <kb3vgw> they change the layout in a boot strap run in in /var/run
[14:22] <shiftplusone> yes, yes it is. There are some customizations, but nothing that touches /var/run
[14:22] <kb3vgw> and noot a link
[14:22] <shiftplusone> no, 'they' don't.
[14:22] <shiftplusone> Running this on a standard debian install on my pc: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jun 18 2014 /var/run -> /run
[14:22] <shiftplusone> same thing on the pi...
[14:22] <shiftplusone> nothing different there
[14:22] <kb3vgw> yes they dio I am on the img not and var/run in a link to /run
[14:23] <kb3vgw> not/now
[14:23] <shiftplusone> the 'they' here is me. I did not touch it. That's how debian does it by default.
[14:23] <methuzla> altin stackoverflow will likely flag that as not being programming related
[14:23] <kb3vgw> no other img I have seen does that
[14:24] <kb3vgw> noit even the default debian unless they just changed it
[14:24] <kb3vgw> its always been /var/run
[14:24] <shiftplusone> This is the case on every PC I have checked just then
[14:25] <shiftplusone> Ubuntu/Mint: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May 11 14:56 /var/run -> /run
[14:25] <shiftplusone> Debian Jessie: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jun 18 2014 /var/run -> /run
[14:25] <kb3vgw> then they debian /ubuntu have broken fhs but ok
[14:25] <shiftplusone> Raspbian jessie: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jun 8 12:49 /var/run -> /run
[14:25] <kb3vgw> ok
[14:26] <kb3vgw> well then I have to rule this out as part of the issue at hand
[14:26] <shiftplusone> Which version of FHS?
[14:26] <kb3vgw> and this is killing our project
[14:27] <kb3vgw> every fhs I have read upto 3 years ago
[14:27] <shiftplusone> 5.13.2. Requirements
[14:27] <shiftplusone> In general, the requirements for /run shall also apply to /var/run. It is valid to implement /var/run as a symlink to /run.
[14:27] <shiftplusone> http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs-3.0.html#varrunRuntimeVariableData
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[14:28] <methuzla> altin it's most likely a hardware issue with your cable
[14:28] <methuzla> altin the display logic is likely 5V and you're driving it with the 3.3V logic of the pi
[14:28] <kb3vgw> ok
[14:28] <methuzla> altin you're getting away with it on a short cable, but on a longer cable, it's not happy
[14:28] <kb3vgw> shiftplusone: ok here is the issue I have been working on for a week
[14:29] <kb3vgw> we updated the nightly wheezy no x img to jessie
[14:29] <altin> methuzla: hmm wait, not sure if i'm getting you right
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[14:29] <altin> you're saying that the problem is my 5v connection ?
[14:30] <altin> I had it in the 5v pin of pi
[14:30] <kb3vgw> and it all works fine but then we do a very simple install of our openrepeater project and the min we plug in the usb soundcard and reboot the network interface stops getting a ip
[14:30] <methuzla> altin no. do you have a link to the specific LCD?
[14:30] <altin> methuzla: but then i used anohter 5v power source
[14:30] <kb3vgw> and then if we unpliug the usb sound card and reboot it gets a ip from dhcp like it should
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[14:30] <altin> methuzla: it's the usual 16x2 LCD that you can get from adafruit
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[14:31] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: bizarre. How does /var/run fit into it?
[14:31] <kb3vgw> well I figured I compaired the system to a older lay out and say the diff
[14:31] <methuzla> altin like this: https://learn.adafruit.com/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi/overview ?
[14:31] <kb3vgw> so I thought it might be a issue
[14:32] <kb3vgw> just doing a step by step check and test
[14:32] <kb3vgw> as to figure out whats going on to break the network interface
[14:33] <kb3vgw> the only diff on this board compaired to the other boards we use is the pi2 is the only une using a usb ethernet onboard and not the nic in the soc
[14:33] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: interesting. Not the way I'd approach it, but I'd need the failing system in front of me and poke around to troubleshoot that sort of thing.
[14:33] <kb3vgw> so this is pointing to a usb issue
[14:33] <kb3vgw> ok I am rebuilding the img now I will get a copy of the img when done
[14:33] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: did you add usb_max_current=1 to config.txt?
[14:34] <kb3vgw> yes and that did not help
[14:34] <shiftplusone> anything interesting in dmesg?
[14:34] <kb3vgw> not that I saw
[14:34] <methuzla> deja vu
[14:34] <kb3vgw> so give me a few to rebuild the img
[14:35] <shiftplusone> well, I don't look into it now, I have a huge todo list... just thought I'd ask the obvious questions.
[14:35] <shiftplusone> *can't
[14:36] <altin> methuzla: yes but without the connector on the side
[14:37] <altin> I soldered the wires straight to the LCD screen
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[14:37] <kb3vgw> ok well I will post a img when done. and let you know
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[14:38] <moparisthebest> <shiftplusone> do you have a 3.3v serial to usb adapter?
[14:39] <methuzla> altin and are you wired up per the schematic in that tutorial?
[14:39] <kb3vgw> http://repo.openrepeater.com/raspbian/rasbian-jessie-nox-08-22-15.img.gz
[14:40] <kb3vgw> thats just the updated img of raspbian
[14:40] <kb3vgw> I whish they would update from wheey to jessie already
[14:40] <shiftplusone> downloading, just in case.
[14:41] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: so do I, but there's a bit of a lack of time issue.
[14:41] <kb3vgw> I can give you the exact install script if you want
[14:41] <kb3vgw> its a simple install script if and when you have time
[14:41] <altin> methuzla: yes
[14:41] <kb3vgw> let me know I will be gone till monday
[14:41] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: the problem is that I don't have the usb sound card, so I won't see the problem.
[14:41] <altin> methuzla: everything worked fine when I tested the code and wiring separately (and with short wires)
[14:42] <kb3vgw> ok I will paste logs once the install is done
[14:42] <altin> but then when I used UTP and did the omplete wiring, every other component in the circuit works perfectly except the LCD
[14:42] <kb3vgw> and I reboot
[14:42] <altin> and the wiring and the code are the same
[14:42] <kb3vgw> and a pkg-list
[14:42] <methuzla> altin so read this section: https://learn.adafruit.com/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi/wiring#5v-lcd-vs-3-dot-3v-pi
[14:45] <altin> methuzla: but I'm not using that adapter on the right
[14:45] <methuzla> altin doesn't matter, the issue is the different voltage levels in the logic (not the power)
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[14:46] <altin> ok methuzla
[14:46] <kb3vgw> shiftplusone: well get a usb sound card
[14:46] <kb3vgw> geesh
[14:46] <kb3vgw> lol
[14:46] <altin> and I also mentioned that I'm using another 5v source now
[14:47] <altin> not from the rpi
[14:47] <altin> I'm only sending data from RPi
[14:47] <altin> the 5v now comes from a 5v phone charger
[14:47] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: lol, feel free to ship me on XD
[14:48] <diederik> kb3vgw: fhs will likely be updated to include /run/ ... and debian has been doing this for quite a while now
[14:48] <shiftplusone> diederik: yes, FHS 3.0 explicitly states that this is a valid thing to do.
[14:48] <shiftplusone> in other words, it HAS been updated.
[14:48] <kb3vgw> shiftplusone: where you located
[14:48] <methuzla> altin power is not the issue
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[14:49] <diederik> shiftplusone: thanks! Replied before I saw your response/quote
[14:49] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: cambridge, uk
[14:49] <shiftplusone> (don't actually send me anything, lol)
[14:49] <methuzla> altin the control pins of the LCD want to see 0 or 5V (DB4, DB5, etc.)
[14:49] <methuzla> altin the pi is supplying 0 and 3.3V
[14:50] <methuzla> altin that can sometimes work as the 3.3V has a chance of still being seen as "high" (as if it were 5V)
[14:50] <kb3vgw> shiftplusone: http://pastebin.ca/3134498 thats the installscript if you can read over it and see ant part that might cause issues
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[14:51] <methuzla> altin but a longer cable will drop that 3.3V even lower and then it no longer works
[14:52] <methuzla> altin or works marginally, which is why you are seeing garbage
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[14:54] <kb3vgw> shiftplusone: are you the guy also doing the raspi2 img ?
[14:54] <kb3vgw> thats sout there
[14:54] <diederik> kb3vgw: are you aware of https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst?
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[14:55] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: it's the one image for all models.
[14:55] <diederik> kb3vgw: the raspi2 image is not made by shiftplusone, but sjoerd (simmons)
[14:55] <shiftplusone> what's the raspi2 image?
[14:55] <shiftplusone> oh, the plain debian one?
[14:55] <diederik> yes
[14:55] <shiftplusone> oh yeah, that's entirely unofficial
[14:55] <shiftplusone> and nothing to do with me
[14:56] <diederik> http://sjoerd.luon.net/posts/2015/02/debian-jessie-on-rpi2/
[14:56] <kb3vgw> ok
[14:57] <shiftplusone> why are you calling it a 'raspi2' image? Where did that name come from?
[14:57] <diederik> because that image (from sjoerd) only works on a Pi 2
[14:58] <shiftplusone> sure, but there are many such images
[14:58] <shiftplusone> ...probably
[14:59] <shiftplusone> But I see your point
[15:00] <kb3vgw> yeah its very basic
[15:00] <kb3vgw> it does not have all the pi tools and firmware
[15:01] <kb3vgw> and I am moving to the raspbian img becauseits what the endusers know and understand
[15:01] <kb3vgw> and it has the tools they know
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[15:02] <kb3vgw> I also took the raspi-config and rewrote it for our needs
[15:02] <kb3vgw> added networking configuration to it
[15:02] <kb3vgw> and other optios related to our project
[15:03] <shiftplusone> kb3vgw: heads up that that's going to have a proper UI as well.
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[15:04] <shiftplusone> but I don't know if you intend to 'keep up' with the official images once they start rolling again
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[15:05] <kb3vgw> we use the headless/nox version
[15:05] <kb3vgw> we dont need/want x
[15:06] <diederik> debian standard is to put the hosts' ip address at 127.0.1.1 btw
[15:06] <diederik> hence my suggestion for the netinstaller ;)
[15:06] <kb3vgw> well the img we are using has no x
[15:06] <shiftplusone> I'd recommend the netinstaller for your thing as well
[15:06] <kb3vgw> and was just updated to jessie
[15:06] <shiftplusone> actually, I'd recommend bootstrapping your own system entirely
[15:07] <shiftplusone> with a custom script
[15:07] <kb3vgw> the img works
[15:07] <kb3vgw> we have
[15:07] <kb3vgw> execpy for the usb issue
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[15:07] <kb3vgw> we are only using usb until our repeater hats are fiinished
[15:07] <kb3vgw> they have a wm8731 sound chip on them
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[15:09] <kb3vgw> spi sound interface
[15:09] <shiftplusone> if you don't mind me asking, who's we?
[15:11] <kb3vgw> the OpenRepeater Project
[15:11] <kb3vgw> openrepeater.com
[15:12] <kb3vgw> 4 of us on the dev team right now
[15:12] <kb3vgw> I have been pkging up parts and making the new install script
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[15:12] <shiftplusone> ah, cool
[15:13] <kb3vgw> goal board right now is the pi-2 and the odroid c1/c1+
[15:15] <shiftplusone> odroid? you watch your dirty mouth, sir! =P
[15:15] <shiftplusone> (jk of course, I like what they've done)
[15:15] <kb3vgw> the pi-2 is nice but needs a few fixes
[15:16] <kb3vgw> 1 use the nic in the soc if there is one and move off usb nic
[15:16] <kb3vgw> 2 more ram 2 gig would be nice
[15:16] <shiftplusone> Yeah, none of those are possible with the current SoC
[15:17] <kb3vgw> ahh ok
[15:17] <kb3vgw> so the soc is lacking a few thing . so then yes I now think this is a usb issue
[15:17] <kb3vgw> that points me in a better direction with this
[15:19] <kb3vgw> well our first run boards should be here in a week for testing
[15:19] <kb3vgw> he boad when done we are shooting to be 25 bucks.
[15:19] <kb3vgw> thats the goal price
[15:22] <kb3vgw> ok well I have to go . time to head to my normal job.
[15:22] <kb3vgw> ping you when I am back on monday great work otherwise
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[15:56] <KD7JWC> could anyone tell me if it is possible to move the /home folder to a usb flash drive or a usb external hard drive?
[16:02] <diederik> yes it's possible. Simply said you can move everything to usb flash/drive except /boot/
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[16:03] <KD7JWC> do you know of a guide for doing this or a google search term to use for this action?
[16:03] <KD7JWC> and thanks for the response
[16:04] <diederik> I don't know one of the top of my head, but searching 'move / to usb raspi' should give you some reasonable results. Also check the raspberrypi.org forums, there are multiple topics on that
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[17:13] <pere> shiftplusone: hi
[17:13] <shiftplusone> Hello again
[17:14] <fred1807> how can I use udevadm or other command to find my raspberry pi SD card attribuites , like vendor, brand...
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[17:43] <apter> I need a fast method of playing multipal sounds on the raspberry in my c++ program. Does anyone have a good method for doing this? Cant get it to work with sfml... Been struggling for hours
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[18:11] <ChunkzZ> hello! can anyone tell me how I can dual boot 2 os's on the pi 2 without noobs?
[18:11] <ChunkzZ> google said something about seperate partitons?
[18:13] <holstein> thats what i would do
[18:13] <holstein> but, why not just use noobs? if it'll easily faciliate? or.. you can just swap out 2 different cards, as well..
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[18:19] <ChunkzZ> holstein, I want to use raspex because it's great for internet browsing and either osmc or openelec but I only have 1 card :(
[18:19] <ChunkzZ> I shouldn't ask here but I don't know where else to ask -.-
[18:19] <holstein> i would just install whatever browser you want.. but, i think it would be too easy/cheap to just get another card
[18:19] <holstein> otherwise, you can just install, and dual boot..
[18:20] <ChunkzZ> idk how to dual boot without noobs
[18:20] <holstein> ChunkzZ: why not use noobs?
[18:20] <ChunkzZ> what do you mean?
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[18:20] <holstein> why install an entire distro for a web browser?
[18:20] <ChunkzZ> because raspbian is slow
[18:21] <holstein> sure.. so, use whatever base you want.. install all the tools into whatever you like
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[18:21] <holstein> or, setup dual boot, if thats what you want..
[18:21] <ChunkzZ> yeah idk how
[18:21] <holstein> ChunkzZ: i literaly just look at the tools i want, and install them..
[18:21] <ChunkzZ> what do you mean by tools?
[18:22] <holstein> whatever it is that makes "raspex great for internet browsing".. just install them into whatever distro you want
[18:22] <holstein> ChunkzZ: whatever tools it is you are trying to get out of 2 distros.. put them into one
[18:22] <ChunkzZ> raspex is a distro based on debian jessie
[18:22] <ChunkzZ> yeah you've lost me mate
[18:23] <ChunkzZ> I want to use raspex (which is a distro based on debian jessie) and either osmc or openelec. raspex will be used for irc and internet browsing whilst openelec or osmc will be used for kodi...
[18:23] <holstein> ChunkzZ: cool.. so, *whatever* is it you want from the other distro, just instal that into raspex
[18:24] <holstein> right.. but,you dont *need* seperate distros to faciliate what you are trying to do.. but, if you want to, go for it
[18:24] <ChunkzZ> I don't know what you mean mate..
[18:24] <holstein> http://lifehacker.com/5986659/multi-boot-a-raspberry-pi-with-berryboot for example
[18:24] <holstein> ChunkzZ: you dont need 2 seperate distros to get the functionality you are seeking
[18:25] <ChunkzZ> so what do I need?
[18:25] <holstein> ChunkzZ: i have no idea, friend.. im just stating options, and facts.. if you want to dual boot, go for it. but, you dont need to to get what you are trying to get
[18:25] <ChunkzZ> holstein, you're really confusing..
[18:26] <holstein> ChunkzZ: im trying to be clear
[18:26] <ChunkzZ> 1 distro for 1 thing, the other distro for other things....
[18:26] <holstein> ChunkzZ: you want 2 things.. tools from the raspex, and tools from openelec.. *but*, you dont *have* to have seperate distros for that
[18:26] <ChunkzZ> so what do I need?!
[18:26] <holstein> you can put *all* of the tools you want/need in the same *one* distro.. but, you can also dual boot if you prefer
[18:27] <ChunkzZ> how can I do that?
[18:27] <holstein> there are many guides on how to do what you are trying to do http://lifehacker.com/5986659/multi-boot-a-raspberry-pi-with-berryboot for example
[18:27] <ChunkzZ> you keep saying but that doesn't have raspex
[18:27] <holstein> ChunkzZ: what doesnt have raspex?
[18:27] <ChunkzZ> berry boot
[18:28] <holstein> ChunkzZ: you mean, listed in the screenshot?
[18:28] <ChunkzZ> no, I mean it's not on there so you can't install it...
[18:28] <holstein> ChunkzZ: it'll faciliate booting whatever you want, and its not the only tool for the task
[18:28] <ChunkzZ> ^ :P
[18:28] <holstein> " You can also add your operating systems as well, but it takes a bit of work in the command line. It's easy enough to manually swap operating systems on a Raspberry Pi since they're just installed on an SD card, but if you want to have them all on one card Berryboot is an easy way to do it. Head over to the Berryboot site for the installation guide."
[18:29] <ChunkzZ> omg
[18:29] <holstein> im not trying to be abrasive, here.. friend.. thats just a tool that will facilitate booting the 2 OS's you reference.. im sure there are other ways.
[18:30] <ChunkzZ> where does it say that ^ ?
[18:31] <holstein> ChunkzZ: i copy pasted it form the link i gave..
[18:31] <holstein> from*
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[19:28] <ChunkzZ> where's that guy that just helped me??
[19:29] <holstein> lol
[19:31] <ChunkzZ> yeah you
[19:31] <ChunkzZ> lol
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[19:31] <ChunkzZ> just wanted to say thanks, I found my old sd card and installed OSMC to it. got raspex on my other sd card. thanks mate!
[19:34] <holstein> sounds like a plan.. http://www.rasplex.com/docs/faq.html is what i would reference, if, later on, i find, that i can just do what im doing in OSMC on raspex..
[19:35] <holstein> like, simply installing kodi in raspex, or plex.. etc..
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[19:35] <ChunkzZ> you use raspex holstein ?
[19:35] <holstein> i do not
[19:35] <TheLostAdmin> Pardon my jumping to a conversation way way back in time but I'm wondering if people have an opinion on something ...
[19:36] <ChunkzZ> oh :P you should try it.
[19:36] <ChunkzZ> TheLostAdmin, sup?
[19:36] <TheLostAdmin> How useful would it be to have swap on an inexpensive USB attached flash drive?
[19:36] <holstein> TheLostAdmin: handy. if its fast enough to meet your needs, and you need it..
[19:36] <holstein> wont hurt to simply try it, for sure..
[19:37] <holstein> i wouldnt expect it to magically make the hardware seem like its faster..
[19:37] <TheLostAdmin> It's that 'fast enough' part I'm not clear on. I would be looking at cheap thumb drives so they just get thrown out when they die and don't cost much.
[19:38] <TheLostAdmin> Like the $10 kind.
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[19:38] <holstein> TheLostAdmin: its not really a matter of the cost, though. is it? you cant buy a faster bus speed, by paying for for a USB stick
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[19:39] <holstein> anyways, i think we can debate if its a "good" idea or not.. but, ideally, just fire it up, and see if it addresses your personal needs..
[19:39] <TheLostAdmin> There is that, but I've heard that some USB sticks are less efficient than others.
[19:40] <holstein> TheLostAdmin: i think, you will find, for what you are doing, it will not be that quality of the USB stick that is the bottleneck.. but, again, try it, and see
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[19:40] <TheLostAdmin> fair point.
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[19:47] <TheLostAdmin> old 1GB USB thumb drive from some convention or other will now be my swap file
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[19:57] <backz> Cheers. My app is outputing messages to syslog. When I restart my rpi I get these messages in my current ssh session. "Message from syslogd@raspberrypi...". How can I stop this?
[19:58] <backz> If I restart my daemon I don't get more messages on current ssh session/screen
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[20:18] <fred1807> what is the early stage on raspbian boot sequence I can control whats on the screen, call FBI for a boot imagem? (dont want to deal with plymouth...)
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[21:54] <John[Lisbeth]> I notice I don't have a /dev/shm
[21:54] <John[Lisbeth]> is it /run/shm?
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