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[0:03] <plugwash> short answer: no
[0:04] <diederik_> it is at least a clear answer :-P
[0:05] <plugwash> longer answer: it depends if you are trying to update within an upstream major version or update to a newer upstream major version
[0:07] <diederik_> I want to try to update it to 4.1 to see whether some issues would be solved by upgrading from 3.18 to 4.1
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[0:07] <plugwash> The former is normally relatively simple, there is a script at debian/update-rpi-patches which does most of the work. Unfortunately when I updated the rpi patches for the 3.18 kernel to the latest 3.18 code in the foundation tree it wouldn't see the SD card.
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[0:07] <diederik_> (kernel panic with initramfs and power led turns off during boot)
[0:08] <plugwash> I suspect i'm missing some kernel setting but I dunno what
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[0:08] <diederik_> And I'd like to play around to see whether I can find it ... and offer that as patches
[0:09] <diederik_> Note that I'm far from an expert, so the most likely outcome will be that I fail. But I'd like to give it a try
[0:09] <plugwash> Upgrading to a new upstream major version is a rather more involved process.
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[0:10] <plugwash> iirc when i've done it before it's gone something like
[0:10] <plugwash> 1: take the debdiff
[0:11] <plugwash> 2: filter out debian/patches using filterdiff
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[0:11] <plugwash> 3: apply the filtered debdiff to a Debian source package for the correct major version
[0:12] <plugwash> 4: deal with any bits of the patch that failed to apply
[0:12] <plugwash> 5: update the settings in debian/update-rpi-patches
[0:13] <plugwash> 6: make debian/update-rpi-patches executable (since diff/patch don't preserve permissions)
[0:13] <plugwash> 7: run debian/update-rpi-patches
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[0:13] <plugwash> 8: try and work out what new config settings are needed from diffing the two major versions in the rpf repo, edit debian/config/armhf/config.rpi (I think that is the name, I may be misremembering) accordingly
[0:14] <plugwash> 9: hack away at the package until it builds successfully
[0:14] <plugwash> 10: build the package
[0:14] <plugwash> 11: test the kernel actually boots, if not hack on things some more until it does
[0:15] <diederik_> ok, thanks. That's going to be a challenge ;)
[0:16] <plugwash> lemme try and get you a link to my updated 3.18 package (the one where storage doesn't work)
[0:17] <diederik_> on what packages would you do the debdiff? On the 3.18 and 4.1 raspberrypi.org kernels?
[0:17] <diederik_> that would be great help :)
[0:17] <plugwash> If you are reffering to the debdiff in step 1 it's a debdiff between the raspbian kernel package and the debian kernel package it's based on
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[0:18] <diederik_> ah ok!
[0:24] <plugwash> (note: that list of steps was from memory, there may well be holes in it)
[0:26] <diederik_> I understand. But it's a whole lot more then I'd be able to come up with :)
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[0:31] <plugwash> ok, https://plugwash.raspbian.org/linux_3.18/linux-3.18_3.18.5-1~exp1%2brpi20.dsc
[0:32] <diederik_> thanks!
[0:33] <plugwash> feel free to download that and see if you can figure out why it isn't seeing the SD card.
[0:34] <diederik_> not seeing the SD card? That's kind of bad ;)
[0:34] <plugwash> If you are reffering to the debdiff in step 1 it's a debdiff between the raspbian kernel package and the debian kernel package it's based on <-- to further clarify when I say debdiff I mean source debdiff unless otherwise stated
[0:35] <diederik_> thanks for clarifying. It makes sense though, a diff on the source is probably more readable then one on a binary package
[0:37] <plugwash> i'm just saying that because debdiff has two very different functions
[0:38] <plugwash> one is to compare the file lists of two Debian binary packages, the other is to create a unified diff file between two Debian source packages. The latter is what we want (and frankly what most people using the tool want) but the former is the use the manpage emphasises
[0:39] <diederik_> I was just reading that manpage because I've never used debdiff before
[0:42] <plugwash> It's pretty simple, something like
[0:43] <plugwash> debdiff linux-3.18_3.18.5-1~exp1.dsc linux-3.18_3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi20.dsc > linux-3.18.debdiff
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[0:45] <plugwash> sorry
[0:45] <diederik_> are packages from experimental also stored on snapshot.d.o? (I guess I need that to get the debian sources)
[0:45] <plugwash> debdiff linux_3.18.5-1~exp1.dsc linux-3.18_3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi20.dsc > linux-3.18.debdiff
[0:46] <plugwash> yeah, you should be able to get linux_3.18.5-1~exp1.dsc from snapshot.debian.org
[0:47] <plugwash> you can also get it from https://sourcearchive.raspbian.org/main/l/linux/linux_3.18.5-1~exp1.dsc
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[0:55] <diederik_> LOL it's a 16.5MB diff file
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[1:03] <plugwash> hence step 2
[1:06] <diederik_> I'm also new to filterdiff. I tried 'filterdiff linux-3.18.debdiff > patch' but that generates (another) file of 16.5MB
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[1:06] <plugwash> oh another thing, update-rpi-patches will run much faster if you have a clone of the rpi kernel tree in a directory called linuxgit in the parent of the directory where you have the package source extracted
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[1:09] <plugwash> filterdiff -p1 -x 'debian/patches/*' linux-3.18.debdiff > linux-3.18.debdiff.filtered
[1:09] <diederik_> thank you!
[1:12] <plugwash> filterdiff is one of those tools with a hell of a lot of options....
[1:12] <plugwash> it can manipulate diff files in a mind boggling variety of ways
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[1:13] <diederik_> yeah the manpage already looked a bit intimidating
[1:14] <diederik_> and if you're (completely) new to it it's not easy to figure out how to use it
[1:15] <plugwash> hmm, re-reading the manpage it's not as complex as I thought
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[1:19] <diederik_> if you're used to tools like that and/or have used/played with it for some time, it's probably not complex.
[1:19] <diederik_> But I've never build a package myself from source
[1:20] <diederik_> And the last couple of days I've been playing with a Makefile to (start to) understand it
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[1:21] <plugwash> The main bit where I found the filterdiff manpage a bit unclear was how exactly to form the rules for what to exclude
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[1:34] <diederik_> I just tried "filterdiff -p1 -x 'linux_3.18.5-1~exp1.debian/debian/patches/*' linux-3.18.debdiff > linux-3.18.debdiff.filtered", but I'm still getting a 16.5MB file
[1:35] <diederik_> that was against debian's patches dir, but I got the same result against "linux-3.18_3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi20.debian/debian/patches/*"
[1:36] <plugwash> did you not try what I suggested?
[1:37] <diederik_> That was exactly what I tried, but I obviously missed something
[1:38] <plugwash> you seem to have added bits to what I suggested
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[1:39] <plugwash> filterdiff -p1 -x 'debian/patches/*' linux-3.18.debdiff > linux-3.18.debdiff.filtered
[1:40] <plugwash> the p1 means that the match string is matched against the path with the first component stripped off
[1:40] <diederik_> I think I know what I did wrong
[1:41] <plugwash> go on.........
[1:41] <diederik_> I extracted linux_3.18.5-1~exp1.debian.tar.xz and thought that 'debian/patches/' was a reference into that extracted archive
[1:42] <diederik_> but the operation should be on only 1 file, namely the debdiff (itself)
[1:42] <diederik_> so it's something like grep, right?
[1:43] <plugwash> I guess for very loose definitions of "something like grep"
[1:44] <plugwash> yes the 'debian/patches/*' is a reference to file paths inside the diff (after the first component is stripped by -p1)
[1:44] <diederik_> now it's 1.3MB :)
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[3:15] <Geo> Does raspbian use systemd installed by default?
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[3:22] <diederik_> depends on how you got your raspbian system
[3:24] <diederik_> if you use an image downloaded from raspberrypi.org, then no (it's based on wheezy, for now at least)
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[3:26] <Geo> ok, thanks
[3:26] <Geo> are there other images somewhere that are?
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[3:28] <diederik_> not that I know of, but I never use the (standard) images. But if you create your system with raspbian-ua-netinst and specify 'release=jessie' then you'd get systemd
[3:28] <Geo> ok, thank you
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[3:28] <Geo> random quetsion
[3:29] <Geo> is it correct to say systemd is 'part of the kernel' ?
[3:29] <plugwash> no
[3:30] <Geo> what would you call it?
[3:31] <diederik_> an init system
[3:31] <Geo> cool. Thanks again
[3:31] <Geo> have a great night
[3:31] <diederik_> plugwash: where do all the patches come from?
[3:32] <plugwash> the debian/update-rpi-patches script generates them from git commits
[3:32] <diederik_> ok, thanks
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[3:41] <roosky> Where can I find a cryptographic signature for the Raspbian image? I didnt see it on the ``Downloads'' page.
[3:43] <methuzla> it's on the raspbian page https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[3:45] <roosky> I only see the SHA-1 of it, Im looking for a cryptographic signature like GPG.
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[3:50] <diederik_> I don't think they exist
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[3:51] <roosky> Oh. So where can I find the kernel config raspbian uses so I can just use Debian?
[3:52] <diederik_> Pi 1 or 2?
[3:54] <roosky> Pi 2 (Deiban supports it with a custom kernel)
[3:55] <diederik_> This is the default config: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-4.1.y/arch/arm/configs/bcm2709_defconfig
[3:56] <diederik_> on a running image you can also do 'zcat /proc/config.gz > kernel.config' (you have to load a module first iirc)
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[3:57] <roosky> Thanks very much. Is that all I need to get Debian running on Pi2, or do I need patchs or something?
[3:57] <diederik_> you need at least the firmware
[3:58] <diederik_> but I haven't tried running Debian 'pure' on a Pi (yet)
[3:58] <roosky> Do you know if the firmware is signed?
[3:59] <roosky> If I don't use the firmware, is all Ill be missing out on be the FPU?
[3:59] <diederik_> no, your system won't boot
[4:00] <roosky> Is the firmware at least signed?
[4:01] <diederik_> http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/r/raspberrypi-firmware/
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[4:01] <diederik_> ^^ that contains various raspberrypi-bootloader deb packages which contain the firmware (and kernel)
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[4:03] <diederik_> https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/raspberrypi.gpg.key
[4:04] <roosky> Thank you
[4:04] <diederik_> yw
[4:09] <roosky> Is 0xCF8A1AF502A2AA2D763BAE7E82B129927FA3303E the proper fingerprint?
[4:11] <diederik_> https://paste.debian.net/171595/
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[4:16] <diederik_> and that message is signed with the following key: 0xA41C82885484A525
[4:16] <roosky> diederik_: Who is ShiftPlusOne? Is he a debian dev?
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[4:17] <diederik_> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=356
[4:17] <diederik_> and the key ID I just posted is from him
[4:18] <roosky> diedrerik_: I tried to verify the key, GPG sais the Key ID is 0x5484A525 and the fingerprint is 0x480203C910DA290C44F704D6A41C82885484A525
[4:18] <roosky> wait
[4:19] <roosky> I might have fucked up
[4:19] <roosky> Nevermind, I didnt
[4:20] <roosky> The link you gave me (on raspberrypi.org) requires I have an account on the forum (I dont). Can you tell me who ShiftPlusOne is?
[4:21] <diederik_> He's a forum moderator on the forums and if you'd looked up the key, you would've seen that he has an email address that ends with @raspberrypi.org
[4:21] <diederik_> and afaik he works for the raspberrypi foundation
[4:22] <roosky> I did look up the key (both on google and with gpg --fingerprint), google didnt yield any results but the key GPG output didnt match the one you told me it was.
[4:23] <roosky> Thank you for your help, though.
[4:23] <diederik_> Then you fucked up.
[4:24] <diederik_> If you copy from -----BEGIN----- to the -----END PGP signature to a file and ask your tool to verify it, it should verify correctly
[4:24] <diederik_> I just did that and got the msg 'Good signature from: Serge Schneider <serge@raspberrypi.org>'
[4:25] <roosky> I did copy everything exactly. I verified the key and i recieved the key it told me. I then verified it again, and it said good signature. I checked the fingerprint of the key but it didnt match the key you said it was signed it ("and that messages is signed with the following key: ...")
[4:25] <roosky> Oh fuck,
[4:26] <roosky> I commpletely misread what you said.
[4:27] <diederik_> I just tried it again with the Download link on paste.debian.net and let it verify the downloaded file ... and correct again
[4:28] <roosky> Thank you very much for help.
[4:28] <diederik_> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/64#issuecomment-99134357
[4:28] <diederik_> yw
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[4:40] <diederik_> shiftplusone: all my nagging about the secure key and a signed message to prove it wasn't for nothing ;-)
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[5:59] <bpugh> Is anyone available to confirm a SHA1 of the current raspbian (downloaded via https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/) … it looks like my download hash doesn't match the one on the web page
[5:59] <bpugh> raspberrypi.org SHA-1: cb799af077930ff7cbcfaa251b4c6e25b11483de
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[6:00] <bpugh> 5cf1e1591518a339b27cb832207806abbd295ec6 ./2015-09-24-raspbian-jessie.img
[6:00] <bpugh> d8d4880cd0e4f155f343984725d5bd94c1f86023 ./2015-09-24-raspbian-jessie.zip
[6:00] <bpugh> 5c4c30cc1b07a683834f81f723484da82c466e92 ./2015-09-24-raspbian-jessie.zip.torrent
[6:01] <diederik_> afaik your torrent program verifies the checksum
[6:01] <diederik_> and the reason you're seeing a mismatch is because they refer to 2 different versions
[6:02] <diederik_> see here: https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/raspbian-2015-09-28/
[6:02] <diederik_> (although there's a mismatch with the date...)
[6:03] <diederik_> (of the folder)
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[6:03] <bpugh> Ah, and the date and hash both are mismatched with https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[6:04] <diederik_> yep, that still refers to the 'old' one
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[6:04] <bpugh> Well, I match the sha sum on your https:// link, so I feel better about it ;-) thanks
[6:04] <diederik_> indeed :)
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[7:10] <SpaghettiCat> Anyone know why is it that `bc`, such a standard program in a shell environment does not come pre-installed? Every other distro I've tried had bc preinstalled
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[7:16] <ShorTie> apt-get install bc doesn't work ??
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[7:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[7:31] <SpaghettiCat> ShorTie: don't have internet access. It should come pre-installed it's so standard
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[7:40] <SpaghettiCat> lmao Raspbian doesn't come with `bc` but it comes with MIDI freepats :D
[7:41] <humbot> i guess more people use python now
[7:42] <SpaghettiCat> Yes they do, but calling Python to make calculations isn't appropriate for shell scripts
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[7:43] <lordievader> Is awk installed by default?
[7:43] <SpaghettiCat> yep
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[7:43] <lordievader> Awk can do basic calculations.
[7:44] <lordievader> Not to say, awk is awesome :)
[7:46] <SpaghettiCat> It's an alternative, although it takes more typing to do the same operation than with `bc`
[7:47] <SpaghettiCat> `echo '1+1' | bc -l`
[7:47] <lordievader> True. But if installing bc ain't an option, awk is a good alternative ;)
[7:47] <SpaghettiCat> lordievader: how would you write that in awk?
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[7:49] <lordievader> awk 'BEGIN { print 1+1 }'
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[7:50] <valdur55> whick awk package to prefer? orinal, gawk or mawk ?
[7:50] <lordievader> Hmm, interesting: https://nixtricks.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/awk-command-line-calculator-using-awk/
[7:51] <SpaghettiCat> lordievader: easy enough :) now how do you write `echo '1<5' | bc -l` (which returns 1 for true)
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[7:51] <Justin`> Has anyone done much testing on Raspbian Stretch?
[7:51] <lordievader> SpaghettiCat: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Awk.html
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[7:53] <SpaghettiCat> lordievader: I'll help you to prove that it's a lot more to type for the same operation :) awk 'BEGIN { print (1 < 5) ? "1" : "0" }' . It's just a more verbose way of doing things; might as well call Python from shell scripts instead of awk
[7:53] <zGrr> moin :)
[7:54] <lordievader> SpaghettiCat: I don't need prove. The point I was trying to make is that it is a good alternative if bc ain't available.
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[7:56] <SpaghettiCat> We don't have bc but at least we have some rad 80s MIDI samples to groove out to :)
[7:57] <mike_t> SpaghettiCat `echo '1+1' | bc -l` // echo `expr 1 + 1`
[7:57] <mike_t> `echo '1<5' | bc -l` // echo `expr 1 \< 5`
[7:58] <SpaghettiCat> mike_t: those were just basic examples to compare verbosity. `expr` is very, very basic, it can't even handle floats
[7:59] <mike_t> yes, i know
[7:59] <mike_t> SpaghettiCat, zsh support float
[7:59] <SpaghettiCat> does that come pre-installed in Raspbian?
[8:00] <SpaghettiCat> Ahh it doesn't. If I could install programs I would just install `bc`
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[8:01] <mike_t> perl?
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[8:02] <lordievader> As usuaul, many alternatives ;)
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[8:02] <mike_t> ksh?
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[8:03] <SpaghettiCat> mike_t: does ksh come pre-installed with Raspbian?
[8:03] <mike_t> SpaghettiCat, I don't know :(
[8:03] <SpaghettiCat> It doesn't.
[8:04] <SpaghettiCat> `bc` is for shell scripting and shell environment. Python is for python environment it already has great math support. Perl is for perl coding environment; it has great math support too.
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[8:06] <SpaghettiCat> Thanks for the suggestions though, I'll resort to using awk
[8:07] <SpaghettiCat> It just seems that the priority is to shave 200KB utilities to make space for more synth samples :P
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[9:04] <screamindynomit> im haveing an issue is anyone here?
[9:05] <screamindynomit> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[9:05] <screamindynomit> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.19) but 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7u8 is installed libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.19-18) but 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7u8 is installed libkrb5-3 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.16) but 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7u8 is installed libnih1 : Depends: libc6 (> 2.19) but 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7u8 is installed
[9:05] <screamindynomit> libtirpc1 : Deends: libc6 (>= 2.16) but 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7ud8 is installed locales : Depends: libc-bin (> 2.19) but 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7u8 is installed
[9:05] <screamindynomit> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[9:05] <screamindynomit> then when i try -f
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Reading package lists... Done
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Building dependency tree
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Reading state information... Done
[9:06] <screamindynomit> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
[9:06] <screamindynomit> libgssglue1
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Suggested packages:
[9:06] <screamindynomit> glibc-doc
[9:06] <screamindynomit> The following packages will be upgraded:
[9:06] <screamindynomit> libc-bin libc6
[9:06] <screamindynomit> 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 763 not upgraded.
[9:06] <lordievader> screamindynomit: Please don't paste console output here, use pastebin or something
[9:06] <screamindynomit> 13 not fully installed or removed.
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Need to get 4,080 kB/5,242 kB of archives.
[9:06] <screamindynomit> After this operation, 724 kB disk space will be freed.
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Get:1 http://http.kali.org/kali/ sana/main libc6 armhf 2.19-18 [4,080 kB]
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Fetched 4,080 kB in 9s (412 kB/s)
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Preconfiguring packages ...
[9:06] <screamindynomit> (Reading database ... 83038 files and directories currently installed.)
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Preparing to replace libc6:armhf 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7u8 (using .../libc6_2.19-18_armhf.deb) ...
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Checking for services that may need to be restarted...
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Checking init scripts...
[9:06] <screamindynomit> Unpacking replacement libc6:armhf ...
[9:06] <screamindynomit> dpkg: warning: subprocess old post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault)
[9:06] <screamindynomit> dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ...
[9:07] <screamindynomit> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-18_armhf.deb (--unpack):
[9:07] <screamindynomit> subprocess new post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault)
[9:07] <screamindynomit> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
[9:07] <screamindynomit> subprocess installed pre-installation script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault)
[9:07] <screamindynomit> Errors were encountered while processing:
[9:07] <screamindynomit> /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-18_armhf.deb
[9:07] <screamindynomit> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[9:07] <screamindynomit> /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-18_armhf.debok
[9:07] <screamindynomit> ok sorry
[9:07] <screamindynomit> but wtf is the problem and how can i fix it?
[9:07] <Draylor> probably by reading that nonsense
[9:10] <screamindynomit> i mean i get there is something about a segmentation fault buit i dont get how to fix it?
[9:12] <screamindynomit> hello?
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[11:11] <foda-se> ei
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[11:12] <lubarch> is it raspberry pi channel?
[11:13] <lordievader> lubarch: This is the Raspbian channel.
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[11:13] <lordievader> There is a #Raspberry
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[11:13] <lubarch> may i ask raspberry and raspbian related questions?
[11:14] <lordievader> lubarch: Of course.
[11:14] <lubarch> how can i setup raspberry pi without screen
[11:14] <lubarch> monitor
[11:15] <lordievader> Set up ssh, then you can use that.
[11:15] <lubarch> how would i do
[11:15] <lubarch> this is first time setup
[11:15] <lordievader> Well one way would be chrooting the install with qemu.
[11:16] <lubarch> and my hdmi cable is not working
[11:16] <lordievader> But it is much easier to fix a screen ;)
[11:16] <lubarch> ok friend
[11:19] <lubarch> thnx
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[11:23] <SpaghettiCat> lubarch: just ssh into the raspberry
[11:24] <lordievader> SpaghettiCat: Is ssh enabled on first boot?
[11:24] <lordievader> I thought it wasn't.
[11:25] <SpaghettiCat> lordievader: If it isn't, then the image I installed had it enabled
[11:25] <lordievader> Must say I am not sure ;)
[11:26] <ppq> the net installer enables ssh on first boot
[11:26] <SpaghettiCat> It would make a lot of sense if it is enabled, because the cables needed for the video connector are not standard (I mean the non-HDMI cable)
[11:27] <humbot> hmm
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[11:45] <ColdKeyboard> What would be the best (easiest to use) solution for playing Youtube videos or looping several downloaded videos from YT on RasPi?
[11:45] <ColdKeyboard> I have a spare monitor and my daughter is watching one playlist on youtube over and over so I was thinking maybe using that monitor to loop those videos :)
[11:46] <ColdKeyboard> Any ideas how to do this or links to some guides? :)
[11:47] <humbot> youtube-dl is a script for downloading and converting youtube and other videos
[11:48] <humbot> you can put them in a folder and play them with mplayer
[11:49] <ColdKeyboard> Ok, I'll look for tutorial on how to do that.
[11:49] <ColdKeyboard> Also I have Raspberry Pi Model B and Raspberry Pi 2 model B. Which one should I use for looping out videos in full HD over HDMI?
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[11:55] <lubarch> how to configure network on raspbian
[11:55] <lubarch> my ssh is now working but
[11:55] <lubarch> internet is not
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[11:58] <humbot> odd
[11:59] <lubarch> i installed raspbian through ssh
[11:59] <lordievader> lubarch: It should do dhcp by default.
[12:00] <lordievader> Though you could configure it through /boot/cmdline.txt
[12:01] <lubarch> lordievader, it is not working
[12:01] <lubarch> i got ssh working by add ip=192.168.1.10 in the cmdline.txt file
[12:01] <lordievader> That sets a static ip.
[12:01] <lubarch> should i run dhcpcd?
[12:02] <lordievader> Though not a gateway or netmask.
[12:02] <lubarch> so what should i add there
[12:02] <lubarch> ?
[12:02] <lordievader> Mine looks like: ip=10.0.1.12:10.0.1.1:10.0.1.1:255.255.255.0:rpi:eth0:off
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[12:03] <lordievader> ip=<ip>:<gateway>:<netmask> (not really sure what the rest was, read the man page ;) )
[12:05] <humbot> i don't even have a cmdline.txt
[12:08] <SpaghettiCat> lubarch: just google for a tutorial, there are many about this
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[15:05] <BonziBud_> Has anyone here tried installing npm packages on Raspbian? It takes forever. :(
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[15:09] <TheNumb> BonziBud_: npm is slow even on my i7 machine.
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[15:16] <BonziBud_> TheNumb: haha
[15:16] <BonziBud_> I am thinking of running the "npm install" somewhere else, zipping up all the modules into one file, and sending that to the Pi. Would be a lot quicker, I think.
[15:18] <BonziBud_> Modules with native extensions would pose a problem though...
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[15:23] <rpipi> hi! NOOBs image from https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ are for RPi1 or RPi2? I'm trying to install Raspbian for my RPi Model B but after selecting Raspbian, it says: "warning: incompatible operating system detected...."
[15:24] <rpipi> can I ignore it or I should download a different noobs image? (or just flash raspbian directly? :/)
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[15:34] <Brybry> BonziBud_, I've installed a good 30-40 modules (much larger including their deps) just fine with npm. It's slow but slow is relative... it's not like compiling xfree86 on a pentium pro slow.
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[15:39] <valdur55> My epiphany borwser is seg faulting when i want to open webpage.
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[15:50] <BonziBud_> Brybry: Unfortunately, for my particular use case I need it to be as quick as possible. Which is why I'm thinking of running "npm install" on another machine, and sending the result to the Pi as a zip file.
[15:51] <BonziBud_> However, I don't know how to handle native extensions if I'm running "npm install" on a machine that is not the Pi. Any ideas?
[15:51] <ShorTie> most likely not gonna ork
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[16:03] <Brybry> you could probably do an arm vm and npm install/compile in that or possibly cross-compile manually or create your own fork of the native-using module with support for binaries (like how sqlite works with node-pre-gyp)
[16:05] <Brybry> though couldn't you just do it once and slowly on your rpi and then make a copy and use the copy?
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[16:08] <diederik> lordievader: in what man page can I find the stuff regarding ip=... ?
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[16:25] <BonziBud_> Yeah, caching a copy might be the best way to do this
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[16:29] <at0m> valdur55: maybe mv ~/.config/epiphany ~/.config/epiphany.bak for a test?
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[16:45] <lordievader> diederik: Err, I read about it somewhere.
[16:46] <lordievader> diederik: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/nfsroot.txt
[16:47] <diederik> I looked on elinux.org but it only mentioned the ip=<ipaddress> form
[16:47] <diederik> great, thanks!
[16:47] <diederik> and you're using that on a Pi, right?
[16:48] <lordievader> Yes, my Pi boots off of an NFS share.
[16:48] <diederik> awesome, thanks :)
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[16:49] <valdur55> at0m: i did it. nothing changed still same issue.
[16:49] <ChazNunz> Any links to documentation on gpsd with latest Raspbian (Jessie)? Can't seem to get gpsd running.
[16:50] <at0m> valdur55: segfault is quite a showstopper heh. do you open from menu or from an url? maybe try url?
[16:50] <diederik> http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=gpsd&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en
[16:50] <valdur55> i reinstalled it completely and it epiphany worked one time. i closed session and relogged. And i am facing again with seg faulting browser. I will do restart now. Uptime 4 days :).
[16:50] <valdur55> Well. when i am opening page, it will give segfault.
[16:51] <ChazNunz> diederik, thx
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[16:51] <diederik> 'man gpsd' in a terminal would give you the same result ;-)
[16:52] <valdur55> Using epiphany-browser http://foo.bar will cause browse opening and then segfaulting
[16:52] <valdur55> maybe i am missing some packages?
[16:53] <ChazNunz> diederik, yeah, that works to get GPS running, but it seems different from wheezy and dosen't work when i remove/re-attach a USB GPS. This was automatic on Wheezy.
[16:56] <ChazNunz> In wheezy, i created a control socket: gpsd /dev/ttyUSB0 -F /var/run/gpsd.sock and also edited /etc/default/gpsd.
[16:56] <diederik> I have no (experience with a) gps device, so won't be able to help with that
[16:56] <ChazNunz> OK. Thx
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[17:09] <valdur55> Why we have NetSurf 2.9 (27th Febuary 2012) at repo when lastest netsurf is 3.3 (15 march 2015).
[17:09] <valdur55> stable
[17:10] <diederik> because you're running wheezy?
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[17:12] <diederik> jessie won't have 3.3, but it does have 3.2
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[17:15] <valdur55> New raspbian is jessie based?
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[17:16] <methuzla> as of today, apparently
[17:20] <vagrantc> only aout 5 months after Debian jessie release...
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[17:24] <valdur55> Yes. 24.09.2015 build is jessie :)
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[17:33] <Dragonkeeper> hey i got a raspian img and removed the DEs and lightdm. now when i boot i get a terminal but it asks for a password . this also happens when i logout . any idea what this could be ?
[17:34] <Dragonkeeper> cant press ctrl+c either it justs asks for password. unless i type something in which it says incorrect and goes to normal login
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[17:39] <Dragonkeeper> seems to be asking just after rc.local finishes ;/
[17:40] <valdur55> What is "Default boot is now to GUI not desktop"
[17:40] <valdur55> Now showing lightm istead of lxde desktop
[17:41] <valdur55> Dragonkeeper: as usual, login. Username: pi password: raspberry
[17:41] <valdur55> normal login?
[17:41] <Dragonkeeper> valdur55: no it just says Password. no password i use works.
[17:42] <Dragonkeeper> if i login as pi then type exit to logout it will but then im presented with Password:
[17:42] <Dragonkeeper> it also does this on boot
[17:44] <valdur55> well. you get into shell, and you don't know how to use linux shell?
[17:44] <valdur55> why you removed DE ?
[17:44] <Dragonkeeper> you missed the problem totally
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[17:47] <valdur55> Well. maybe it saying about fdisk ?
[17:47] <valdur55> corrupted partinsion?
[17:48] <Dragonkeeper> that makes no sense
[17:48] <valdur55> with raspi-config you can disable DE loading
[17:49] <valdur55> it will change runlevels
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[17:57] <Dragonkeeper> there is no DE and i set it to cli with raspi-config
[17:57] <Dragonkeeper> im sorry i feel like tech support is reading from a script to me :S
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[18:03] <valdur55> :P sorry i am not raspbian expert. Your problem sounded so werid.
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[18:07] <paultjuh> hi, my raspberry pi doesn't respond to ssh connections anymore
[18:08] <paultjuh> when I do it from the command line on the raspberry pi itself it works
[18:08] <paultjuh> but not from another host
[18:08] <paultjuh> I can ping the pi though, also have already restarted it
[18:09] <methuzla> paultjuh did you change anything?
[18:10] <paultjuh> no not really
[18:10] <valdur55> paultjuh: try: ssh localhost
[18:11] <paultjuh> valdur55: that works
[18:11] <valdur55> ok :D nice. port is correct, openssh server is up.
[18:11] <paultjuh> I can network out from the raspberry, and it responds to to ping
[18:12] <paultjuh> I can ssh to it's own host, localhost and the ip
[18:13] <paultjuh> also ssh from my computer to any other ssh server works
[18:13] <methuzla> what kind of message do you get when you try from the non-pi?
[18:13] <paultjuh> just not to the raspberry
[18:14] <paultjuh> methuzla: connection timeout after a while
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[18:15] <Dragonkeeper> paultjuh: trying login as root@host?
[18:16] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: it just doesn't connect, so it doesn't even come to the auth stage
[18:16] <Dragonkeeper> paultjuh: if your trying to as root it will usually deny you
[18:16] <Dragonkeeper> try pi@host
[18:16] <Dragonkeeper> then sudo su
[18:17] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: I was doing pi@host
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[18:18] <paultjuh> also, nothing in the logs of the raspberry pi
[18:18] <methuzla> using ip address or machine name?
[18:18] <Dragonkeeper> paultjuh: ok so u can ssh localhost but not from outside the pi from any machine ?
[18:18] <paultjuh> methuzla: the ip address
[18:19] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: not from outside the pi indeed
[18:19] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: I can ping the pi though
[18:19] <Dragonkeeper> paultjuh: can u restart the ssh server
[18:19] <methuzla> weird. so ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx works, but not ssh pi@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[18:20] <paultjuh> methuzla: yes , ping gives replies, but no ssh
[18:20] <valdur55> maybe do portscan ?
[18:20] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: did that, but still no response
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[18:22] <paultjuh> valdur55: a quickscan gives 22 open, and mac address is from Raspberry Pi Foundation
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[18:22] <methuzla> and on the pi you can do ssh pi@localhost and it works?
[18:23] <paultjuh> yes
[18:23] <paultjuh> that is the weird thing
[18:23] <Dragonkeeper> paultjuh: tbh what i usually do is sudo apt-get remove ssh openssh-server then reinstall both it will generate keys + everything needed
[18:23] <methuzla> sounds like some kind of firewall blocking port 22
[18:24] <paultjuh> methuzla: the weird thing is I did install only a couple of python packages, nothing else
[18:24] <methuzla> are any of those running?
[18:25] <paultjuh> methuzla: yes, supervisord and one python script which reads from the serial port and posts it to a http server
[18:26] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: that doesn't solve it unfortunately
[18:28] <valdur55> You need to do port scan at other machine: "nmap -v -sT ip.here
[18:28] <valdur55> "nmap -v -sT ip.here"
[18:29] <Dragonkeeper> -p 22 saves time
[18:30] <paultjuh> valdur55: that shows the ssh port open
[18:30] <Dragonkeeper> on wifi ?
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[18:30] <paultjuh> my laptop is on wifi, raspebrry is wired
[18:31] <Dragonkeeper> you using dynamic ips or static?
[18:32] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: dynamic
[18:32] <paultjuh> ok, just uncovered my old laptop, that one connects
[18:33] <Dragonkeeper> to the pi ?
[18:33] <paultjuh> yes
[18:33] <Dragonkeeper> not a rpi issue then :P
[18:33] <paultjuh> so it doesn't seems to be the pi
[18:33] <methuzla> firewall software on whatever machine wouldn't connect
[18:33] <methuzla> blocking outbound port 22
[18:34] <paultjuh> methuzla: nope, no firewall, I can connect to all the other ssh servers I have access to
[18:34] <paultjuh> although that is through a vpn
[18:35] <Dragonkeeper> so its using a different port to vpn then to ssh .. where as your trying to just ssh ,, so port might be blocked going out
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[18:39] <paultjuh> well, it is still using the port 22, just through a tunnel
[18:39] <methuzla> tunnel through the firewall, without vpn, no tunnel
[18:39] <paultjuh> but just tried a different ssh server on the local network, that works fine
[18:39] <paultjuh> I don't run a firewall
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[18:42] <Dragonkeeper> paultjuh: sshing through bash cli or a program?
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[18:43] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: just bash cli, from a ubuntu machine
[18:43] <Dragonkeeper> paultjuh: just saying connection refused, nothing bout hosts or anything like that ?
[18:43] <paultjuh> same machine I used other times
[18:44] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: not even refused, just connection time out
[18:44] <Dragonkeeper> o.O
[18:44] <paultjuh> no idea what is going on
[18:44] <Dragonkeeper> so it didnt even get to talk to the pi it just got blocked off
[18:45] <paultjuh> looks like it
[18:46] <paultjuh> sudo iptables -L doesn't show any rules
[18:46] <Dragonkeeper> ever messed with ufw ?
[18:47] <paultjuh> no
[18:47] <Dragonkeeper> hmm well its ubuntu so lets try sudo ufw allow ssh/tcp
[18:48] <paultjuh> nothing on ssh still
[18:48] <paultjuh> also, I can ssh to other local ssh servers
[18:48] <Dragonkeeper> o.O
[18:48] <Dragonkeeper> ok then its not the port
[18:49] <Dragonkeeper> id say dup arp but maybe not
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[18:50] <Dragonkeeper> got a /etc/host.deny file ?
[18:51] <Dragonkeeper> prob not snce u can ping it :S
[18:51] <paultjuh> not that I know of
[18:51] <paultjuh> let's check that
[18:51] <paultjuh> did a full flush of arp
[18:51] <paultjuh> on both
[18:51] <paultjuh> what I notice, it doesn't show up in the arp table if I ssh, but if I ping it does
[18:52] <Dragonkeeper> hmm ok
[18:52] <paultjuh> deny on the raspberry is only comments
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[18:53] <Dragonkeeper> ssh with -vvv see if u get more info
[18:53] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: nothing
[18:53] <paultjuh> last thing: Connecting to ....
[18:54] <Dragonkeeper> ssh -vvv pi@host
[18:54] <paultjuh> I did that
[18:54] <Dragonkeeper> hmm ok
[18:55] <paultjuh> http://pastebin.com/Zyp81D1p
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[18:57] <Dragonkeeper> paultjuh: can you do , mv .ssh .ssh.bk
[18:57] <Dragonkeeper> then connect
[18:58] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: the mv on the laptop I guess?
[18:59] <paultjuh> that still doesn't work
[18:59] <Dragonkeeper> okay
[18:59] <paultjuh> only thing I didn't do is a restart of my router
[18:59] <paultjuh> brb
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[19:02] <paultjuh_> Dragonkeeper: no, that didn't help either
[19:03] * Dragonkeeper uses paultjuhs laptop as a fresbiee
[19:03] <Dragonkeeper> solved :P
[19:03] <paultjuh_> haha
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[19:04] <paultjuh_> well, this is my work computer, which I have to hand in in about 2 weeks when I change jobs, that might solve it too :o
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[19:09] <Dragonkeeper> lol im not sure , it pings rpi, it sshs to others , others can ssh to pi but that one cant , and firewall isnt blocking it because u can ssh others, and the host file isnt denying connections to pi + ssh doesnt have any weird configs
[19:10] * valdur55 is upgrading wheezy to jessie. Unpacking takes so long.
[19:11] <paultjuh_> indeed
[19:11] <paultjuh_> pretty puzzled myself too
[19:11] <Dragonkeeper> valdur55: i cant do that :(
[19:11] <Dragonkeeper> breaks my touch screen sadly to much hassle lol
[19:12] <valdur55> yay upgrade finished :). well. i am using minibian
[19:12] <valdur55> and as server.
[19:14] <Dragonkeeper> ah mine is a retro game station + does network troubleshooting + if i fix this issue then i will start making it into a 3d scanner as well
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[19:40] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: it is finally solved
[19:41] <paultjuh> someone proposed changing the mac of my laptop
[19:41] <paultjuh> so I did that: no connection to wifi possible anymore
[19:41] <paultjuh> restarted my laptop
[19:41] <paultjuh> had my old mac back, but also could ssh into the raspberry again
[19:43] <Dragonkeeper> ah so it was prob a dup issue. router got confused.
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[19:47] <paultjuh> Dragonkeeper: maybe, always those stupid routers...
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[21:47] <intripoon> hi
[21:48] <intripoon> I'ld like to set up cross compilation to compile for the raspberry pi from my pc
[21:49] <intripoon> I found this https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/building.md
[21:49] <intripoon> but it explains only how to compile the kernel
[21:50] <intripoon> to compile code for the rpi, the linker also needs the libraries to link for the rpi
[21:50] <intripoon> but they don't get installed when following the tutorial
[21:50] <intripoon> only arm-compile tools are put in the PATH
[21:51] <intripoon> how can I do this?
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[23:38] <ChazNunz> Hi. I have an new install of latest (25-9-2015) raspbian on rPi. It no longer seems to automount attached SD cards in /media. In the 5-5-2015 release, if I inserted a SD card formated with the name "Test" it would get automounted as /media/Test. Can i restore this functionality?
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[23:44] <ChazNunz> Did i mention i'm running headless with no gui?
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[23:58] <intripoon> ChazNunz: don't you boot your os from the sd card? how can you put another one in while it is running?
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