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[8:20] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[11:23] <molgrum> i have upgraded the raspbian servers to jessie, now i'm thinking it's safe to upgrade raspberrypi servers also. are there any extra steps i need to take? any precautions (like answering No to conf replacements)?
[11:31] <diederik> which raspbian servers?
[11:34] <molgrum> diederik: collabora and rasp
[11:34] <molgrum> raspi*
[11:34] <molgrum> .list
[11:34] <diederik> and _I_ think that 'just' answering 'No' to conf replacements is not the right way. Unless you always do a diff afterwards and update your config to match the new config as much as possible.
[11:34] <diederik> Ah ok, your repo urls
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[11:35] <molgrum> diederik: yeah i read somewhere that i need to take extra steps... not sure
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[11:36] <diederik> one precaution would be to make a backup ;-)
[11:36] <molgrum> hehe
[11:37] <molgrum> i can dd into a usb drive
[11:37] <molgrum> stick*
[11:37] <diederik> then another precaution would be to find/write down urls/tips/etc relating to the upgrade. Better having them standby and ready to use, then having to search for them when your systems are upgrading/broken
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[11:40] <diederik> Doing a major upgrade is mostly about preparing and anticipating possible problems. The more dependent you are on your system, the more preparation you should do
[11:42] <diederik> When you've done lots of customizations to your system, then it's more likely that issues may arise.
[11:44] <molgrum> yeah
[11:44] <molgrum> i'm gonna try a safe overclocking now
[11:45] <molgrum> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
[11:45] <diederik> that does not sound like a smart thing to do
[11:46] <molgrum> how so?
[11:46] <diederik> you're about to do a major system upgrade, then why change things now?
[11:46] <diederik> Do it _after_ you've upgraded your system
[11:46] <molgrum> you're right
[11:48] <diederik> another useful thing to do during the upgrade, is writing down the 'urls' of the config files that get upgraded (or not)
[11:49] <diederik> When an upgrade brings in changes to config files and you say 'No' (thus keeping your config file), the new one is saved as <url>.dpkg-new
[11:49] <molgrum> hmm, shoudl i start off with raspberrypi.org first, not touch collabora?
[11:49] <diederik> If you do upgrade the config file, the old is saved as <url>.dpkg-old
[11:49] <molgrum> ok i see
[11:49] <diederik> The recommended way (by the rpf) is start with a fresh image
[11:50] <diederik> and then you can restore your own files from the backup onto that fresh image
[11:51] <diederik> this contains some relevant stuff: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=121880
[11:53] <molgrum> oh so i do need a user with the name of pi
[11:53] <diederik> btw: it's probably more useful to make your backup with rsync (or sth like that)
[11:53] <diederik> elaborate ...
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[11:54] <diederik> (pi is the default user name on a rpf image)
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[11:55] <molgrum> diederik: so i can/should create .config/autostart in every users home dir?
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[11:56] <molgrum> much of this is X related, i have no X :)
[11:56] <diederik> I don't use any autostart mechanism myself, so I don't know about that.
[11:56] <diederik> How did you start with your image?
[11:57] <molgrum> i just SSH
[11:57] <molgrum> i purged X totally
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[12:01] <diederik> that reduces the chances of things to go wrong rather substantially
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[12:08] <molgrum> backuping now
[12:10] <molgrum> www and etc, not sure what else..
[12:10] <molgrum> oh yeah, one file more
[12:11] <molgrum> files*
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[12:13] <diederik> are you using apache?
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[12:15] <molgrum> diederik: nginx
[12:15] <diederik> oh ok.
[12:15] <molgrum> nginx-light to be specific
[12:16] <molgrum> backed up my home folder as well
[12:16] <diederik> apache had an major upgrade regarding apache 2.2 -> 2.4 in which the configuration changed, but that's not relevant to you
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[12:17] <molgrum> aha
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[12:18] <molgrum> okay, gonna start upgrading now
[12:18] <diederik> good luck ;-)
[12:18] <molgrum> why do i need ui at the end?
[12:18] <molgrum> "ui"
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[12:19] <molgrum> just wondering if that's for X
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[12:19] <molgrum> and thanks :)
[12:20] <diederik> if you don't use a GUI, you don't need the 'ui' part
[12:21] <molgrum> okay
[12:21] <molgrum> well, i'll add it anyway
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[12:25] <molgrum> diederik: should i leave collabora at wheezy for now?
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[12:26] <diederik> I don't know much/anything about collabora. I _think_ they're obsolete now, but not sure
[12:26] <molgrum> okay
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[12:43] <molgrum> alright, upgraded to jessie and overclocked :)
[12:44] <diederik> nice :)
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[15:42] <Dre_> hello
[15:43] <Dre_> Is there maintinence going on?
[15:44] <Dre_> Site maintenance??
[15:44] <Dre_> getting slow package downloads
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[19:48] <lvella> hi, can someone point me to some minimal image of raspbian jessie?
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[19:49] <lvella> I don't want to use official image because it cames bundled with lots of stuff and I just wanted a plain Debian to start with
[19:50] <lvella> and what is the deal with that installer? must I use fat32? can't I use some normal filesystem like ext4?
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[20:03] <diederik> lvella: the partition holding the firmware files (/boot/) needs to be fat32
[20:04] <diederik> about which installer are you talking?
[20:04] <lvella> the one from the website
[20:05] <lvella> i just saw the recomended one is raspbian-ua-netinst
[20:05] <diederik> ah 'the website' ... that narrows it down
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[20:05] <diederik> ah ok
[20:05] <lvella> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[20:06] <diederik> as I said, fat32 is required otherwise the firmware files can't be read and the system won't boot
[20:07] <lvella> that is weird, the other distro I used seemed to have all installed inside btrfs
[20:08] <diederik> for all partitions?
[20:11] <diederik> during installation 2 partitions are created, /boot/ in fat32 and / in ext4
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[20:16] <lvella> I wouldn't trust myself 100%, but I remember XBian prebuilt image had all its partitions btrfs
[20:17] <diederik> I can assure you that that is not the case
[20:17] <diederik> somewhere on the forums there's a thread which details the boot process
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[20:25] <diederik> can't believe I went through the troubles, but here you go: https://paste.debian.net/317878/
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