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[2:45] <Sleeee> I'm having troubling getting my wireless working
[2:45] <Sleeee> WPA
[2:46] <Sleeee> I can see the SSID I want using wpa_cli
[2:47] <Sleeee> but I don't get any internet
[2:47] <Sleeee> (the wireless router is fine btw)
[2:48] <Sleeee> I followed the steps here https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=44044
[2:48] <Sleeee> but no luck
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[2:49] <Sleeee> any ideas?
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[3:04] <ESpiney> I have a new noob installation of raspbian - and when I try the default password of pi/raspberry - the authentication fails
[3:05] <ESpiney> noobz* - anyone have any suggestions?
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[3:06] <Sleeee> seems its all questions and no answers here :(
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[8:56] <xtal256> Hi all, I have connected my Raspberry Pi to my router via ethernet, and it says it's connected but I don't have internet connection.
[8:56] <xtal256> The router doesn't list it in the attached devices
[8:57] <xtal256> ifconfig says inet addr:192.168.0.30 Bcast:192.168.0.1 Mask:255.255.255.0
[8:57] <xtal256> I've set static IP address as 192.168.0.30 and reserved it in router
[9:01] <diederik> xtal256: does 'ping 8.8.8.8' work?
[9:01] <xtal256> "connect: Network is unreachable"
[9:01] <xtal256> so, no
[9:01] <diederik> and ping 192.168.0.1 ?
[9:02] <xtal256> Hey, in /etc/network/interfaces, do I need a "gateway" line?
[9:02] <xtal256> I've set address, netmask, and broadcast
[9:02] <diederik> if you're using a static ip address, then yes ... ;)
[9:02] <xtal256> What is gateway?
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[9:02] <xtal256> I thought broadcast was the router address
[9:02] <diederik> where it goes to if it can't find the ip address
[9:03] <xtal256> so what's broadcast?
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[9:03] <diederik> send packet to everyone
[9:04] <xtal256> Do I need to set both gateway and broadcast?
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[9:04] <diederik> if your netmask is 255.255.255.0 then the broadcast address is 192.168.1.255
[9:04] <diederik> yes
[9:04] <diederik> why not dhcp?
[9:05] <xtal256> So it's easier to connect to (e.g. SSH)
[9:05] <xtal256> IP address will never change
[9:06] <diederik> my router has a dhcp and dns server into one, so I can always connect via hostname
[9:06] <diederik> but not every router has that
[9:07] <xtal256> Hostname, I never thought of that. Well, I've already done static so I may as well use that
[9:07] <xtal256> So, to clarify, my router's address is 192.168.0.1. Do I need to set that in the interfaces file?
[9:08] <diederik> but as you've now noticed, there's a lot more to configure in that case
[9:08] <diederik> yes, as the gateway address
[9:09] <xtal256> I see. And 192.168.1.255 for broadcast.
[9:09] <xtal256> Perhaps I'll try dynamic and use hostname
[9:09] <diederik> yes with netmask 255.255.255.0
[9:10] <diederik> it is a lot easier as all the network parameters will be set for you (including dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf)
[9:12] <xtal256> To use dhcp, what do I need in the interfaces file?
[9:12] <xtal256> Is it just "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and nothing else?
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[9:12] <diederik> you probably also want auto eth0 above that line
[9:13] <xtal256> Also, what's the difference between "manual" and "dhcp"?
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[9:13] <SpaghettiCat> Does anybody know where the wheezy-testing repo is? I can't find it: http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/
[9:13] <diederik> manual: I set all the parameters myself (static IP); dhcp: let dhcp configure all my network parameters
[9:14] <diederik> SpaghettiCat: that URL opens fine here
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[9:14] <xtal256> So what's the difference between "manual" and "static"?
[9:14] <SpaghettiCat> diederik: it opens, and it shows "main" repo, but not testing
[9:15] <diederik> xtal256: I had just described that
[9:15] <diederik> wheezy = oldstable, not testing
[9:15] <xtal256> You answered my question about manual vs dynamic
[9:15] <xtal256> But you said manual = static IP
[9:15] <xtal256> Yet "manual" and "static" are two different options
[9:16] <SpaghettiCat> diederik: I want a Raspbian "testing", which repo is that?
[9:16] <diederik> SpaghettiCat: stretch
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[9:16] <SpaghettiCat> diederik: thanks, but why the deviation from the normal naming conventions of Debian?
[9:16] <SpaghettiCat> Usually you have wheezy stable, wheezy testing, wheezy sid, no?
[9:17] <diederik> SpaghettiCat: no, not at all
[9:17] <SpaghettiCat> oh I must've misunderstood. thanks for the help
[9:17] <diederik> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#History
[9:18] <SpaghettiCat> I never heard "Stretch" before. People call it "debian testing"
[9:18] <diederik> Sid=unstable and that will always be so (which raspbian doesn't have)
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[9:18] <diederik> testing is the next stable and as jessie is the current stable, stretch is now equal to testing
[9:19] <diederik> when stretch is released, testing will point to buster
[9:20] <SpaghettiCat> these names are halirous to talk seriously about haha
[9:20] <diederik> toy story characters
[9:20] <SpaghettiCat> Debian Potato...
[9:21] <xtal256> diederik: I set it to dhcp, an now the router shows it as connected.
[9:21] <xtal256> Much easier :D
[9:21] <diederik> xtal256: excellent
[9:22] <xtal256> Hmm, but now I can't seem to connect to it using Putty
[9:22] <xtal256> not using hostname
[9:22] <xtal256> IP address works
[9:23] <SpaghettiCat> "Hey Mark, what are you installing on our corporate IT infrastructure?" "I'm upgrading us to Debian Potato" haha, I feel so confident in this distro
[9:23] <diederik> i'm eating oranges atm ... will respond later
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[9:24] <xtal256> SpaghettiCat: "Debian Potato". Shouldn't it be "Debian Mr. Potato Head"? :)
[9:25] <SpaghettiCat> lol that's even sillier
[9:25] <SpaghettiCat> Could be why CentOS and RHEL are more popular in corporate environments ;)
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[9:29] <diederik> xtal256: I'm not going to explain general network stuff, for that see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address
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[9:30] <diederik> it seems in your case dns and dhcp are not integrated and in that case a static ip address does make sense
[9:30] <xtal256> But shouldn't the hostname work? You said it would if the router does dns, which I think mine does
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[9:31] <xtal256> How would I tell? It's a Netgear WNR2200
[9:31] <diederik> figure out/write down all the network configuration parameters now that you have a connection through dhcp and apply that to a static ip configuration
[9:31] <xtal256> Sorry, DGN2200
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[9:33] <diederik> It depends on the router. If you can set/configure dns and dhcp server settings in your router UI, then I guess it should/could work
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[9:34] <diederik> But in your case, the practical test showed that it doesn't support that, otherwise 'ssh <hostname>' would've worked
[9:35] <xtal256> Where <hostname> is the name returned by the "hostname" command on the Pi, right?
[9:35] <diederik> correct
[9:35] <xtal256> Yeah, so I guess it doesn't work
[9:35] <xtal256> Back to static then
[9:36] <diederik> https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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[9:39] <xtal256_> Thanks for your help diederik
[9:40] <diederik> yw
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[10:29] <Dalee> Is there anyone who is familiar with the GPIO electrical properties that can explain something to me? Or is the mostly a channel relating to the software aspects of Raspbian?
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[10:59] <gordonDrogon> Dalee, what are you looking to find out?
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> although #raspberrypi usually has more active (awake) members...
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> anyway - best advice for IRC is ask the question - don't ask to ask ..
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> Dalee, hello?
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> ah well. I'm AFK for a bit. hope you find what you're after...
[11:05] <Dalee> Thanks gordon, I was just curious if I needed a resistor between the 3.3V rail and a GPIO input pin? and if I didn't, would you have any idea on the current draw?
[11:05] <Dalee> I'd imagine the last one is something I can find, but the first one is a little tricky (maybe because I am unsure what it google) but the last one I'll just test, if I know the first is safe!
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[11:49] <rbw> hi
[11:49] <rbw> I know it's not the right forum, but I'll go ahead and ask anyway; does anybody know if banana pi is compatible with raspberry swag?
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> rbw, support the foundation by buying raspberry Pi's - not cheap rip-off clones by companies trying to cash in on the good work of the foundation.
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[12:23] <rbw> gordonDrogon: I own a raspberry & swag, but I'd like to try out android.. and afaik android doesn't work very well on the rasp
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[12:24] <Uzzi> hi
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[12:31] <Uzzi> I've Rspb Pi2+7"DisplayScreen. How can I rotade screen at startup?
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> Uzzi, try lcd_rotate=2 in /boot/config.txt
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[12:49] <Uzzi> black screen
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[13:09] <zGrr> moin :)
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[13:12] <at0m> any ETA for ejabberd 15.10-1 (in testing), it's in debian's sid for now. or is there a sid repo for rasbian, too?
[13:13] <at0m> 15.09-1 has depends and config conflict due to split of ejabberd in different modules and packages
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[14:09] <Uzzi> gordonDrogon: display_rotate=2 or lcd_rotate=2 doesn't rotate
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> even after a reboot?
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> it seems to work on mine - you need to do it with the Pimoroni case/stand thing.
[14:22] <Uzzi> o yes I've rebooted after changes
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> hang on - I'll power mine up & check.
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[14:25] <Uzzi> same result
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> lcd_rotate=2
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> is what I have there to make it upside down.
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> comment it out & rebooting ...
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> and its now upside down...
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> ie. the wrong way round.
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> so that's the right rune.
[14:27] <Uzzi> no change
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[14:28] <gordonDrogon> best post on the forums then.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> I'm running weezy, all u pto date.
[14:31] <Uzzi> http://pastebin.com/E1Wm2RE6
[14:31] <at0m> is there any support channel for testing, assuming plugwash doesn't run the full raspbian repo and migrations on his own?
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> Uzzi, http://unicorn.drogon.net/config.txt is what I have.
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[14:55] <Uzzi> gordonDrogon: I'm on debian 8
[14:57] <Uzzi> when y have connected diplay to Raspb have y used 2 or 4 small cable? I've used only red an black!
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[15:05] <scoofy> is the rpi 2 fast enough for serious web browsing?
[15:06] <shiftplusone> Not at all
[15:06] <scoofy> :/
[15:07] <shiftplusone> Well yes and no.... it's fast enough, but there aren't any browsers which make use of the hardware
[15:08] <shiftplusone> epiphany makes it alright, but it's far from polished and is based on gnome's terrible browser
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[15:08] <scoofy> yea
[15:11] <shiftplusone> would love to see google officially support the pi with chromium and chromeos
[15:11] <scoofy> win 10?
[15:11] <scoofy> does that run on rpi2?
[15:11] <shiftplusone> not the windows you're thinking of
[15:11] <shiftplusone> no
[15:11] <scoofy> ok.
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[15:12] <shiftplusone> but technically, 'yes'
[15:12] <shiftplusone> You just can't do anything with it.
[15:12] <scoofy> what does that mean
[15:14] <shiftplusone> It means there's something called windows 10 that runs on the pi. But it's not in any way better than any linux distro (yet?). It's not intended as a general purpose OS, it's for 'Internet of Things' (whatever that is).
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[15:15] <scoofy> so it sucks
[15:15] <shiftplusone> Maybe not for the purpose it was intended for
[15:15] <scoofy> i don't want internet of things :)
[15:15] <scoofy> (whatever that is)
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[15:28] <scoofy> is raspi suitable for realtime audio I/O ?
[15:29] <scoofy> like as a DSP effect, like an equalizer?
[15:29] <scoofy> i'd need a digital EQ
[15:29] <scoofy> for my home stereo
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[15:37] <Uzzi> Where can I read if /boot/config.txt has been processed?
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[15:38] <shiftplusone> vcgencmd can be used to check the various values
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[15:48] <haruspexx> hi, i got a android tablet with an miniHDMI connector
[15:49] <haruspexx> i bought a HDMI-cable an attached it to the tablet and the raspbery pi b+ as well
[15:50] <haruspexx> but the tablet wont show any raspbian content
[15:50] <haruspexx> i booted several times
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[16:04] <at0m> haruspexx: hdmi on your tablet is an output.
[16:05] <at0m> you can hook up both to your TV if you'd like.
[16:06] <at0m> haruspexx: just like connecting phones outputs from both devices to each other won't get you pi sound on the tablet.
[16:08] <at0m> scoofy: there's Wolfson (pi1) and Cirrus Logic audio cards that fit the GPIO, and USB soundcards. but pi does not have audio in.
[16:10] <at0m> does anyone know if the drivers for the wolfson/cirrus logic audio cards have made, or will make it into main raspbian kernel? atm they need to be compiled from source for each kernel/
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[16:33] <haruspexx> re
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[18:41] <strapjaw> Hello, I had a question about how to disable to auto login for the pi user. I am unable to find anything online. Can anyone assist me please?
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[18:43] <scoofy> raspi-config ?
[18:43] <strapjaw> I tried that, it didn't make a change.
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[18:44] <scoofy> um... your login manager config? lightdm etc.
[18:44] <scoofy> have you checked its config files
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[18:45] <strapjaw> Nope, I remove X and all the things with it.
[18:45] <strapjaw> Which, perhaps, is preventing raspi-config from functioning. I don't know what files it should be changing to control auto login.
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[18:45] <strapjaw> I guess I can reinstall then try with just raspi-config, then remove X.
[18:46] <scoofy> you boot into CLI ?
[18:46] <strapjaw> It does now.
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[18:46] <strapjaw> But that's because I removed xorg and anything that depended upon it.
[18:47] <strapjaw> I figured the auto login was a part of lightdm or and X config, but it still auto logs in.
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[20:22] <r0xtedy> gzcwnk: yea, me too ;))
[20:22] <r0xtedy> seems
[20:26] <gzcwnk> ?
[20:26] <gzcwnk> sorry timed out....what was teh discussion?
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[20:29] <r0xtedy> you told you liked the os
[20:29] <r0xtedy> :)
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[20:29] <gzcwnk> ah yes, but I am a debian fan for over a decade, but the port to the Pi is outstandingly simialr and robust
[20:30] <gzcwnk> brb reboot
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[20:32] <jakllsch> except for those parts where it's completely unlike debian
[20:32] * jakllsch looks pointedly at the distinct lack of a proper kernel package
[20:34] <shiftplusone> *cough* linux-image-rpi2-rpfv
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[20:49] <diederik> shiftplusone: did you really just say that? :-P
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[20:50] <shiftplusone> Hey, I'm not recommending it... I'm just saying it's there.
[20:50] <diederik> at0m: plugwash does run the whole raspbian repo on his own. Not an ideal bus-factor :-/
[20:51] <diederik> yeah, just thought it was funny that you mentioned it ;)
[20:51] <at0m> not so funny now :D
[20:52] <at0m> so i take it i'll wait till upstream moves it to testing
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[20:54] <diederik> yes, that's how things work. When things in debian testing get updated, then it also gets updated in raspbian.
[20:55] <diederik> afaik that happens automatically, so no manual action by plugwash needed (unless sth is wrong)
[20:58] <Fourdee4D> Does anyone have the RPi touchscreen? Curious to know if the framebuffer width/height in config.txt gets applied to it.
[20:58] <at0m> diederik: how about i try to install the debian armhf sid packages to raspbian?
[20:58] <at0m> i suppose they're not all that far off
[20:59] <diederik> you could try it, but ONLY on a Pi 2
[20:59] <at0m> yea pi2
[21:00] <at0m> i'll momentary switch to deb repo's then upgrade just this package(s) then revert sources.list
[21:00] <at0m> cant be more broken than it is now :o
[21:01] <diederik> the Pi is meant as a learning device :-P
[21:01] <at0m> running testing all over the place, always learning :)
[21:01] <at0m> thanks
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[21:03] <vagrantc> for rpi2, i typically just grab the rpi firmware and kernel and run the rest on Debian's armhf port.
[21:03] <vagrantc> rpi1, i do the same but with the armel port (no huge loss of performance for a music player)
[21:04] <at0m> vagrantc: excellent, thanks for the heads up!
[21:04] <at0m> was suspecting just kernel would be different, so this quest sorts lots of q's i had
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[21:05] <vagrantc> even though plugwash does an amazing job of keeping raspbian up to date, given it's over 20000 source packages, i prefer plain debian.
[21:05] <diederik> vagrantc: and no issues with that?
[21:05] <vagrantc> diederik: haven't done much recently, but yeah, worked fine for me.
[21:05] <at0m> vagrantc: well that'd be more convenient to me indeed, running debian on all other machines here
[21:06] <diederik> ok, excellent. There's still an open issue about enabling that with the net installer
[21:06] <vagrantc> i'd highly recommend it as an option
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[21:08] <diederik> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/246
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[21:10] <at0m> diederik: well if the armhf is very much copy-pasta apart from kernel and firmware, it worries me less that one person runs the repo's :)
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[21:11] <at0m> had been wondering where the testing and buglists were :D
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[21:12] <diederik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian
[21:12] <vagrantc> i think the bulk of it is rebuilding the archive with different compiler optimizations
[21:12] <vagrantc> which fail in some cases, and then checking those failures
[21:12] <diederik> that's what I understood too
[21:14] <diederik> plugwash has reported several issues on debian based on issues he encountered on raspbian :)
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[22:24] <at0m> too bad, seems the depends issues propagate from testing to sid just the same. bit tired now, will look into the details after the weekend.
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[22:25] <at0m> vagrantc: switched to deb repo's, now got >1000 packages that are upgradable but in essense version numbers are the same. how do you handle those?
[22:26] <at0m> i guess i'll need to bite through these upgrades, as easy solution to do away with the upgrade candidates, but maybe there's a more graceful solution?
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[22:37] <vagrantc> at0m: i wouldn't upgrade, i'd install from scratch
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[22:39] <at0m> vagrantc: hmm well in download and cpu cycles the difference wont be big indeed. just need to make sure i get my /home, /etc/, /var/lib probably.
[22:39] <at0m> don't want to purge my jabberd users etc
[22:40] <vagrantc> you can't really upgrade to a package of the same version, apt/dpkg have no way of knowing where the version you have installed came from
[22:41] <at0m> silly aptitude suggest these upgrades just cos idk why, same versions
[22:41] <vagrantc> you could comment out the raspbian mirrors and run "apt-get --reinstall package1 package2 package3" but that will result in all your packages being marked as manually installed
[22:41] <at0m> yay
[22:41] <vagrantc> basically, there are many ways to shoot yourself in the foot here
[22:42] <at0m> might just apt update to plugwash's repo for now
[22:42] <at0m> till i get bored some time :D
[22:43] <vagrantc> could just let it happen gradually ... and newly installed packages + any upgraded packages ... until you've finished the transition
[22:43] <vagrantc> but if you ever run into troubles, it'll be nightmarish to resolve
[22:43] <at0m> yea but this 1100 marked upgradable make much confusion
[22:44] <at0m> will need to manually oversee each upgrade
[22:44] <vagrantc> upgrading to the same version? really?
[22:44] <at0m> meaning, run over 1100 and see which is new
[22:44] <at0m> yea
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[22:44] <vagrantc> how do you know it's the same version?
[22:44] <at0m> one example aptitude line: iu U acl +93.2 kB 2.2.52-2 2.2.52-2
[22:44] * vagrantc uses aptitude only rately
[22:45] <vagrantc> it looks like it never finished installing
[22:45] <vagrantc> it's in an "unpacked" state
[22:45] <at0m> same for iu U apt -160 kB 1.0.10.2 1.0.10.2
[22:45] <at0m> (removed some spaces for convenience)
[22:45] <vagrantc> what's the output of: dpkg -l acl apt
[22:47] <at0m> https://paste.debian.net/324623/
[22:47] <vagrantc> huh.
[22:48] * vagrantc just doesn't understand aptitude
[22:48] <at0m> so the "iu U" in aptitude means, installed, upgradable, marked upgradable
[22:48] <at0m> version left and right is the same
[22:48] <vagrantc> at0m: what does "apt-get upgrade" do?
[22:48] <vagrantc> or "apt-get -d upgrade"
[22:48] <vagrantc> same thing?
[22:49] <at0m> hold on this is a pi ;p
[22:49] <vagrantc> heh
[22:49] <at0m> https://paste.debian.net/324624/
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[22:50] <at0m> same thing basically
[22:50] <at0m> preceeding is the list of 1100 packages
[22:50] * vagrantc shrugs
[22:50] <at0m> or, 1079
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[22:50] <at0m> maybe pinning can solve that
[22:52] <at0m> or that's just when sources.list has different repo's and versions
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