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[9:37] <g_remlin> A plea to the raspbian developers....
[9:37] <g_remlin> Please Please Please drop Debian in favour of Devuan.
[9:37] <g_remlin> Debian is rapidly becoming SystemDOS (emphasis on the Dumb Operating System).
[9:37] <g_remlin> *** Do one thing and do it well ***
[9:38] <shiftplusone> Raspvuan just doesn't sound right.
[9:40] <shiftplusone> Raspbian is a recompile of Debian. Devuan just doesn't have anything to do with it, so if somebody wants a 'raspvuan', I'd say it's up to them, not the raspbian maintainer.
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[10:02] <R3d_Sky> hello
[10:02] <R3d_Sky> is there any way to get kodi 16.1 (aka Jarvis) on raspbian
[10:05] <shiftplusone> the pplware repo might have it
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[10:06] <shiftplusone> Just checked. Seems like they do.
[10:16] <R3d_Sky> thanks
[10:20] <R3d_Sky> the only website i found in a google search was portuguese
[10:20] <shiftplusone> yup
[10:21] <R3d_Sky> google translate does not work on epiphany
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[10:21] <shiftplusone> If you don't know how to add third party apt repos, you might have some trouble. You should find a few forum posts on the kodi forum which tell you what you need to do.
[10:22] <R3d_Sky> so ive just to add them in sources.list rite?
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[10:24] <R3d_Sky> yep
[10:25] <shiftplusone> Usual warnings about using third party repos.
[10:32] <R3d_Sky> such ad beware they might contain backdoors might not work etc etc rite
[10:32] <shiftplusone> yup
[10:32] <g_remlin> shiftplusone, please describe how you would explain to an 8 year old why
[10:32] <g_remlin> iface eth0 inet manual
[10:32] <g_remlin> in /etc/network/interfaces does not do what it should...
[10:35] <shiftplusone> I don't think an 8 year old has expectations about what it should do. Unless the said 8 year old was to read the man page, in which case he or she would find that it does exactly what it says on the tin.
[10:38] <g_remlin> it does exactly what it says on the tin.
[10:38] <g_remlin> Not so, not when SystemD decides it knows better and overrides other daemon config files
[10:38] <shiftplusone> it does no such thing
[10:39] <R3d_Sky> ah the systemDebate again
[10:40] <g_remlin> the systemDebate still
[10:41] <shiftplusone> not much of a debate. the major distros have all switched to it
[10:42] <R3d_Sky> i agree but some users don't
[10:43] <R3d_Sky> 'linux sucks 2016' (yep the thing Lunduke does) had the quote "systemd will soon include an office suite"
[10:43] <R3d_Sky> but it works
[10:43] <R3d_Sky> thats all matters
[10:44] <g_remlin> It makes it extremely difficult to teach OS configuration to children
[10:45] <M0SPN> The broken dhcpd config in Raspbian is IMO a bigger issue than SystemD.
[10:45] <shiftplusone> In what way is it broken?
[10:46] <M0SPN> Well, by $broken I mean dhcpd.conf is now used to configure static IPs?
[10:46] <M0SPN> Queue a heap of confusion as we divert from debian standards
[10:46] <g_remlin> "not much of a debate. the major distros have all switched to it"
[10:46] <g_remlin> And most of the world uses Windows......
[10:47] <R3d_Sky> speaking of broken things the desmume package on raspbian is broken bcos desmume is broken on gcc-4.9 and its used to compile it
[10:47] <R3d_Sky> switching it to 4.8 shouldnt be too hard
[10:48] <shiftplusone> Ah, by broken, you mean "not what I did 10 years ago".
[10:52] <g_remlin> shiftplusone, do you recommend I use Windows to teach Computer Science ?
[10:53] <shiftplusone> There is no logical link between anything I've said and that conclusion.
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[10:54] <g_remlin> You suggested SystemD is OK because most Distro's use it
[10:55] <g_remlin> Most of the world uses Windows, therefore that must be even better...
[10:55] <shiftplusone> No, I said there's no debate. Because the debate is long over.
[10:59] <g_remlin> OK I am starting a new debate specifically with you, that SystemD is inappropriate for use on an educational OS.
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[11:02] <shiftplusone> I am usually up for a good debate, but I don't think I can, nor am I interested in convincing you otherwise. I would like to know why you say that though. "It's hard to explain to an 8 year old" seems like just an assertion at best. I am all for hearing you out, but I think I've heard it all by now.
[11:03] <R3d_Sky> by 'education' do you mean 'learning python, how to use gpio etc' or 'learning how to configure and administrate linux' education?
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[11:06] <twolife> an educational OS should be hard to use, to force people to learn ! the rpi fondation should ditch raspbian & just use slackware </bad-troll>
[11:06] <shiftplusone> Nah, gentoo... to make you wait and feel like you've earned every package built.
[11:07] <twolife> :)
[11:07] <binaryhermit> gentoo on a rpi would be painful
[11:07] <binaryhermit> well, the compiling part
[11:07] <shiftplusone> plenty of people run it, but often relying on binary packages
[11:07] <binaryhermit> fair enough
[11:09] <R3d_Sky> what about lfs then?
[11:10] <shiftplusone> I'd.... probably agree with that statement.
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[11:11] <shiftplusone> Really, I think it's more about getting comfortable with and understanding a variety of distros. After a while, it's all the same and it doesn't really matter.
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[11:14] <R3d_Sky> totally correct
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[12:36] <R3d_Sky> or is it forgotten
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[13:10] <Ingvix> what would be the lightest way to sync a file between linux and windows system using raspbian as a sync server
[13:11] <Ingvix> I'm quite new with linux and servers and raspbian
[13:13] <M0SPN> lightest? As in less data transfer? So compressed? Or lightest as in lightest load?
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[13:14] <Ingvix> lighest energy consuming I guess. So it doesn't take too much resources from the computers
[13:15] <Ingvix> though the syncing would happen quite frequently
[13:16] <Ingvix> or not that frequently but when ever needed
[13:16] <Ingvix> uh
[13:18] <Ingvix> what I'm needing it right now is to sync session files created by session manager addon in firefox so I could have tab sync without using firefox's cloud
[13:19] <Ingvix> needing it for*
[13:21] <Ingvix> If you know an easier way for it than this, I'm open for suggestions
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