#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-07-18

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[0:19] <AMPlified> What is the lowest safe remaining battery percentage (State of charge) to safely run a battery on? I am using a 3.7v 5000mAh Lithium Polymer Battery
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[0:36] <vagrantc> depends on your load
[0:36] <vagrantc> and running a battery on very low will typically wear the battery out faster
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[3:23] <brianx> AMPlified: as in the other channel, you cannot accurately tell state of charge from voltage. that only works with some batteries like lead acid, not lipo.
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[3:24] <brianx> AMPlified: if you discharge to the point where voltage drops, you've already shortened the life of your battery.
[3:26] <brianx> AMPlified: the only realistic way to determine SOC is to track power in and power out. you can use voltage as a secondary assurance that you've not gone too far but it does not work as a primary method of determining SOC.
[3:27] <AMPlified> brianx: I am using a LiPoly Fuel Gauge: http://dsscircuits.com/sale/product/dssc0102
[3:27] <AMPlified> brianx: With this Library: https://github.com/lucadentella/ArduinoLib_MAX17043
[3:28] <brianx> AMPlified: good. that's the way to do it. voltage isn't relevant.
[3:29] <AMPlified> brianx: I am using the Stateofcharge function and if the state of charge is below or equal to 30 I shut down my circuit
[3:30] <brianx> AMPlified: sounds about right. not sure of the right percentage but 30 seems reasonable.
[3:30] <AMPlified> brianx: Hey Stateofcharge is a percentage or a voltage?
[3:30] <brianx> AMPlified: so you now know that voltage isn't relevant to the question. good.
[3:31] <brianx> AMPlified: a percentage, voltage is irrelevant.
[3:31] <AMPlified> brianx: That's what I thought. thanks for your help I setup my circuit correctly :)
[3:32] <brianx> no problem AMPlified. good luck. and as warned in the other channel, be careful if you're using high loads or high charge rates, lipo can be very dangerous.
[3:33] <brianx> AMPlified: until you've made sure things are working and you're not over charging or over discharging reliably, make sure you keep your system away from flammable things. ideally you should be working on metal, drywall, or concrete.
[3:33] <brianx> (my workbench has a sheet of drywall on top of it.)
[3:35] <AMPlified> brianx: I have this in the circuit just in case: https://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/powerboost-1000-charger-rechargeable-5v-lipo-usb-boost-at-1a.html ($23.26 total)
[3:37] <brianx> AMPlified: for a single small cell, 1A is a fairly high current. be careful. i didn't do any detailed analysis of that board but it does look reasonable.
[3:38] <AMPlified> brianx: I will ;)
[3:38] <brianx> you're not in a highly dangerous range but you're not way down in the perfectly always safe range either.
[3:40] <brianx> i mostly work nimh and usually charge at under 300mA which is .05C for my cells. you're at .2C with that cell.
[3:40] <brianx> (probably at, i've not seen it's specs)
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[3:50] <phpman> Having issues getting PHP working Raspbian
[3:51] <phpman> Tried to install LAMP and now all I'm getting is "Index Of" page after changin the index.html page to index.php
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[3:53] <phpman> anyone?
[3:54] <brianx> phpman: and apache or php related channel might work better, sorry.
[3:54] <phpman> Ok is there an #Apache channel on Freenode?
[3:55] <brianx> no clue
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[8:06] <zfe> GOod Morning
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[8:21] <marcushh777> morning zfe !
[8:25] <zfe> i've just got a raspberry pi as a gift
[8:25] <zfe> and i have no idea about what to do with it
[8:31] * binaryhermit uses a Pi 3 as a media center PC and a Pi B rev 2 (as in original B with 512 MB of RAM) as a server
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[9:06] <zfe> sborra
[9:08] <marcushh777> zfe: cool gift !
[9:09] <marcushh777> zfe: are you interested in computer programming?
[9:09] <zfe> marcushh777: yes i program a lot
[9:09] <zfe> well, python
[9:09] <marcushh777> zfe: Raspberry PI and python are like two peas in a pod... :)
[9:10] <marcushh777> zfe: you can connect the GPIO pins to the world... controlling everything from robots to water pumps to leds to drones
[9:11] <marcushh777> zfe: all with python
[9:11] <marcushh777> zfe: or C
[9:11] <marcushh777> zfe: or C++
[9:11] <marcushh777> zfe: Sonic PI for music
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[9:11] <marcushh777> zfe: how old are you, if I may ask
[9:12] <marcushh777> zfe: if you're younger you may be interested in Scratch
[9:13] <marcushh777> zfe: if you're older, Python is the best bet...
[9:13] <marcushh777> zfe: The PI makes a great media center too...
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[9:13] <marcushh777> zfe: Its main use is to encourage young people to get involved with computer science, hardware and software
[9:14] <marcushh777> zfe: hav'fun
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[9:20] <zfe> i'm 31
[9:21] <zfe> sorry we have an ongoing coup here and internet is slow
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[9:21] <zfe> i think i'm gonna see how it goes
[9:21] <zfe> as a remote server
[9:22] <hvesalai_> zfe: coup d'etat or what kind of coup?
[9:22] <marcushh777> zfe: I use one of my PIs as a VPN server...
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[9:23] <marcushh777> zfe: are you able to state your location?
[9:24] <marcushh777> zfe: generally ^
[9:28] * binaryhermit guesses Turkey due to the coup mention
[9:28] <binaryhermit> but what do I know
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[9:32] <zfe> tr
[9:32] <zfe> yes, coup d'etat
[9:32] <zfe> it failed but the situation is not completely back to normality yet
[9:34] <marcushh777> zfe: best wishes for you/ and your country
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[9:41] <zfe> i'm a foreigner here so i don't mind much
[9:41] <zfe> as soon as i remain alive
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[10:02] <Padisha> Hello guise
[10:03] <Padisha> I am trying to run a IP Camera viewer on a Raspberry PI, what is the best way to do it?
[10:06] <Padisha> Would love to hear from anyone
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[10:10] <mistralol> Padisha: what sort of viewer?
[10:10] <mistralol> Padisha: cause you can typically build a console one ont he command lie using gstreamer ;)
[10:11] <mistralol> Padisha: exmaple gst-launch-1.0 -v rtspsrc latency=200 location="rtsp://admin:admin@<cameraip>/pathtovideostream" ! rtph264depay ! h264parse ! omxh264dec ! glimagesink
[10:17] <Padisha> I have no viewer or OS yet, so I am flexible.
[10:17] <Padisha> The Rasp will be attached to a TV (I would love it to stream 9 cameras)
[10:18] <Padisha> And the video source is a MJPEG url (http & videostream.cgi)
[10:18] <ShorTie> raspberry camera ??
[10:18] <Padisha> example url:
[10:19] <ShorTie> https://github.com/silvanmelchior/RPi_Cam_Web_Interface.git
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[10:20] <mistralol> Padisha: hum 9? You may run into a few problems
[10:20] <mistralol> Padisha: but yes you can do that with gstreamer you can use a httpsrc with an mjpeg decoder and a video mixer with the glimagesink...
[10:20] <Padisha> jesus christ
[10:22] <Padisha> What about
[10:22] <Padisha> A program I can run on my server tha twill load all 9 streams, compile into one?
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[10:23] <mistralol> Padisha: thats what I am suggesting to you
[10:24] <Padisha> Thanks a lot
[10:24] <Padisha> The github rep will help a ton
[10:25] <Padisha> You guys have fun, I'll try reporting back when installed/attempted.
[10:25] <mistralol> Padisha: i think the github repo does the opposite of what you want. It is a camera instead of using a camera
[10:26] <Padisha> Oh I see.
[10:27] <mistralol> Padisha: try something mor elike this for multiple cameras http://pastebin.com/CKi0yCcX
[10:27] <mistralol> Padisha: can also do mixed sources ;)
[10:28] <Padisha> Im currently installing OBS on the server, to try loading all streams and then compiling it to 1
[10:28] <mistralol> Padisha: that basically does a 4 up grid
[10:29] <ShorTie> pi is never gonna handle 9 streams
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[10:29] <mistralol> ShorTie: it can ;)
[10:29] <Padisha> but
[10:29] <mistralol> ShorTie: but probably not at 30 fps
[10:29] <Padisha> i have like a very shitty chinese android tv
[10:29] <Padisha> with an app on it which can handle it
[10:29] <mistralol> ShorTie: so you if you use gstreamer you will need leaky queue's etc...
[10:29] <Padisha> but sometimes it fails on networking
[10:30] <ShorTie> and a resolution of 2
[10:30] <mistralol> the nice touch of gstreamer doing an mjpeg decode is it will run on all cores etc....
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[12:00] <GEEMac> Good morn/afternoon folks.... I'm having an issue with HDMI audio out. It only outputs Mono and I would like to have at least stereo output via the HDMI for my connection to the TV. Is there as a setting for this? Thanks
[12:01] <GEEMac> Not sure if this is the proper channel for my question, but it's a place to start....
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[12:17] <marcushh777> GEEMac: go to your hardware sound settings... you can choose whether the output is mono or stereo
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[12:21] <GEEMac> marcushh777: Hello and thanks. This may sound stupid, but again I'm a noob to the Pi I'm running Raspbian, but do not see any hardware settings. Is it called from the terminal?
[12:22] <marcushh777> on the desktop... if you go into your sound settings do you have a choice for hdmi... and the output setings input settings?
[12:23] <marcushh777> brb
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[12:26] <marcushh777> GEEMac: menu--->preferences--->audio device settings
[12:26] <marcushh777> GEEMac: ^ the hdmi has to be hooked up... and running
[12:26] <GEEMac> marcushh777: I wish I could do a scren capture. This OS seems to be pretty stripped down. There are no hard ware or sound settings. Audio device settings just gives me a playback and sound option only. No icons or access to any advanced settings. Nothing even for display settings.
[12:26] <marcushh777> oh...
[12:26] <marcushh777> are you running headless? or hdmi ?
[12:27] <GEEMac> The HDMI is already hooked up that was te first thing I did. I'm on a Vizio 47 inch TV.
[12:27] <marcushh777> check your TV settings... I bet its coming into the TV as stereo and playing mono...
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[12:28] <GEEMac> Not sure. Please excuse my dumb questions. I should be able to just jump in here an fix this with 40 yrs of Broadcast eng. behind me I'm quite embarrassed
[12:29] <marcushh777> no worries.
[12:29] <marcushh777> you may have been an engineer for 40 years, but these little tiny itty biddy computers have only existed for four years
[12:30] <GEEMac> I have another PC based HTPC and it worked fine direct to the TV via HDMI. Stereo and all for what the built in speakers are worth.
[12:31] <marcushh777> PI 3B ? latest Raspbian?
[12:31] <GEEMac> I even had it going to my Onkyo system but the HDMI switch board has bad caps on it.
[12:31] <GEEMac> Yep latest NOOB and Pi3
[12:31] <GEEMac> Just got it last Thursday
[12:32] <GEEMac> At this point All I have is the eithernet cable, wireless keyboard, the HDMI to the TV, sd card and USB drive hooked up
[12:32] <marcushh777> just for fun, do you have a phone jack on the hdmi monitor | TV ? might try plugging in some ear-buds and listening for mono vs stereo?
[12:33] <marcushh777> you might have to install the alsa mixer...
[12:34] <GEEMac> Nope. I did do a aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav and Right .wave. Just Mono
[12:34] <marcushh777> I run my PI 3Bs headless... so I can't check mine ...
[12:34] <GEEMac> AlsaMixer v1.0.28 installed and a mono PCM adjustment that is it.
[12:36] <marcushh777> there are acouple config.txt entries we could check
[12:36] <marcushh777> in /boot/config.txt
[12:36] <marcushh777> hdmi_drive=2
[12:36] <GEEMac> Sad part I only have a 18GB sd on it. So pulse and full blown Alsa is not a good idea. Let me open the file
[12:37] <marcushh777> dtparam=audio=on
[12:38] <GEEMac> Yep did that already, hdmi_drive=2 . I did that first thing after finding Mono audio
[12:38] <marcushh777> dtparam=audio=on
[12:38] <GEEMac> Let me look for that line
[12:39] <GEEMac> Yep already on
[12:40] <marcushh777> GEEMac... I'm stumped... don't know
[12:40] <marcushh777> Don't worry about the left right wav test... just listen to the sound ... is it stereo ?
[12:41] <marcushh777> I'm betting it is...
[12:41] <marcushh777> my left right wav test didn't work either... I think its the test
[12:41] <marcushh777> but, my sound is coming out in stereo
[12:42] <GEEMac> I also tried Left Right under Speaker test
[12:42] <marcushh777> don't worry about the tests... I don't think they work...
[12:42] <marcushh777> just get an audio sample and listen... is there seperation and is it coming out in stereo?
[12:42] <marcushh777> separation*
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[12:44] <marcushh777> I don't think the tests work because the full-blown alsa is not installed... with all the controls
[12:45] <GEEMac> speaker-test -t wav -c 2
[12:45] <marcushh777> did you check your TV settings? can you pick mono vs stereo there?
[12:46] <GEEMac> Would there be enough room for the full blown Alsa? If so I'll try that
[12:46] <marcushh777> how much space is free now? in a terminal use the df command
[12:46] <marcushh777> how much is free used in /
[12:47] <GEEMac> As for the TV settings they are fine. Local TV plays well in stereo along with my other PC Based HTPC (running Ubuntu)
[12:47] <marcushh777> same hdmi input?
[12:48] <marcushh777> does your TV have more than one hdmi input?
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[12:48] <GEEMac> yep same input and I did try both on the TV. 8Gb left on the card.
[12:48] <marcushh777> have you tried another hdmi cable?
[12:48] <marcushh777> you have plenty of room !
[12:49] <GEEMac> Yep swapped cables too. These are not cheap caples Broadcast quality cables by Ampex. Old but still good
[12:51] <GEEMac> Well I'm going to try a few other things and see what happens. The only thing that I'm a bit upset with regarding using this as a HTPC is no NetFlix. Armhf kills Chrom from being installed and widevine does not work on chromium
[12:51] <marcushh777> can you try something for me?
[12:51] <GEEMac> sure
[12:52] <marcushh777> vcgencmd hdmi_stream_channels
[12:52] <GEEMac> A cmd in term or add to config.txt?
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[12:53] <marcushh777> run that command in a terminal
[12:53] <marcushh777> cmd in term: vcgencmd hdmi_stream_channels
[12:53] <GEEMac> hdmi_stream_channels=0
[12:54] <marcushh777> try setting it to 1:
[12:54] <marcushh777> cmd in term: vcgencmd hdmi_stream_channels 1
[12:55] <marcushh777> then try your sound test
[12:55] <GEEMac> hdmi_stream_channels=1
[12:56] <GEEMac> Hmmm Seperation. But quite mushy not full
[12:56] <GEEMac> Let me reboot. brb
[12:56] <marcushh777> k
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[13:01] <GEEMac> marcushh777: Looks good now. Thanks
[13:02] <marcushh777> welcome... I don't know why its not set by default...
[13:02] <marcushh777> I think its a bug, really
[13:03] <superdog> ey
[13:04] <GEEMac> Stranger things do happen. lol Especially with me. Now to get the video to 1080P. Is there anything that can be installed to give me access to all the hardware settings via GUI? This is pretty plain vanilla.
[13:05] <marcushh777> well, I can't check ... since headless setup here... but, I'm guessing that you'll need to load the full alsa
[13:05] <marcushh777> have you read the hdmi sticky on the forum?
[13:05] <marcushh777> brb I'll give you a link
[13:06] <marcushh777> GEEMac: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5851&p=77547
[13:06] <marcushh777> ^
[13:06] <GEEMac> I'll look into that. How about Video settings. Nothing via GUI on this OS. I'm a Ham Operator and I may also use this for the hobby, but what a PITA to have to go to terminal every time I need to make a change.
[13:06] <marcushh777> read the whole thing... then attempt
[13:07] <marcushh777> that is for video settings
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[13:07] <marcushh777> oh... W0MHH here...
[13:07] <marcushh777> '73
[13:07] <GEEMac> Will do... I'm spoiled by Ubuntu 14.04.
[13:08] <GEEMac> de N2BRG. Have you tried the full transceiver using SDR dongle yet?
[13:08] <TheLostAdmin> GEEMac, I've heard there are certain channels in the Ham spectrum that are reserved for digital data. I've always wondered what people do with those. Any pointers to a good website to read up on it?
[13:09] <marcushh777> packet radio !
[13:09] <GEEMac> If you want to do it with the Pi Look up RTL-SDR
[13:09] <marcushh777> right
[13:10] <GEEMac> Apparently the Pi can do AM, FM, SSB, CW, and Digital via GPIB
[13:10] <marcushh777> I have not tried it yet... but planning on playing a bit later
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[13:11] <GEEMac> Not sure about Packet. But I would not doubt that someone has already written code for the Pi
[13:12] <GEEMac> If I can just get around the darn DRM for netflix (paid sub here) I'll keep this for my HTPC and buy another Pi for the Amateur Radio stuff.
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[13:14] <GEEMac> If you attempt to use the Pi for a Transceiver You have to build a filter for each band you want to use it on followed by an PA and probably another BP filter for the band. I am working on a design for a full blown up-converter for the RTL dongles for HF. I hope to have that project posted soon with boards and Kits.
[13:16] <GEEMac> As for a straight out of the box SDR w/Pi it will work from 50MHz and up to I think 432Mhz
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[13:16] <marcushh777> ~nice
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[13:18] <M0SPN> GEEMac: many docs online just suggest 'hook antenna to gpio' :(
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[13:19] <M0SPN> I guess at such low power issues it's not a problem, but better to teach people to do things properly in the first place - and *why* they're doing it
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[13:20] <GEEMac> Yep BUT....! remember it was discovered by using it as a motor control, soooo Harmonics from DC to daylight. brb
[13:20] <GEEMac> Thus the filters
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[13:21] <bitcrazy> How do you get a Pi to read a CD?
[13:21] <bitcrazy> On an external drive?
[13:21] <bitcrazy> It read the disc once but now it won't pick it up. Can't I just do a terminal command?
[13:21] <jacekowski> mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom
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[13:21] <bitcrazy> thanks jacekowski
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[13:22] <bitcrazy> jacekowski - command not found
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[14:15] <rasperrian> Hello
[14:15] <rasperrian> Is this a support channel for raspbian?
[14:16] <methuzla> pretty much
[14:16] <rasperrian> awesome
[14:16] <rasperrian> i just bought a raspberry pi 3b :)
[14:17] <rasperrian> Can i ask a question?
[14:18] <methuzla> yes. just ask it. then be patient if you don't get an answer right away.
[14:18] <rasperrian> sure man
[14:18] <rasperrian> i`ll try to ask precise
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[14:21] <rasperrian> The question is: I installed raspbian lite (newest) on a USB hard drive. I did that by 1) downloading raspbian lite image and writing it to both the sd card and the hard drive. 2) editing /boot/config.txt on the SD card to boot from the usb drive... It worked perfectly and much faster (its a SSD:)! but.. and here is the question: The SSD drive is 128 gb, but it is showing up as only 2 gb...
[14:21] <rasperrian> how can i "extend" the partition to use the full disk?
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[14:23] <methuzla> sudo raspi-config, option 1
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[14:23] <rasperrian> I tried to use raspi-config and extend but didnt work because its on USB
[14:23] <rasperrian> thats the problem :(
[14:24] <rasperrian> but thanks for chiming in
[14:25] <methuzla> hmmm. ok. i've never setup with a USB drive before. so guess i'm out of ideas.
[14:25] <methuzla> someone should know though, it's done pretty often.
[14:25] <rasperrian> methuzla: Its so much faster with SSD its incredible!
[14:26] <rasperrian> over 200 mbit/s when copying etc
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[14:30] <rasperrian> methuzla: im trying to download UBUNTU now to try to extend the partiotion from another PC
[14:30] <rasperrian> do you think thats a good ideA?
[14:31] <methuzla> depends on what you're trying to do.
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[14:33] <rasperrian> Im trying to extend that partition yo
[14:33] <rasperrian> them feels are telling me i should try this and use GPARTED or something graphical...
[14:33] <rasperrian> but im afraid to wipe out the drive :(
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[14:38] <rasperrian> Is WIFI or ethernet fastest on raspberry pi 3? i heard that ethernet shares the bandwith with USB, so might be slower (also its just 100 mbit), while WIFI has its own BUS ?
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[14:54] <RAZZZZ> Hello, do anyone know the answer to how to extend partition on USB (raspbian-config not working on USB) ?
[14:56] <Habbie> RAZZZZ, you can read what raspi-config does :)
[14:56] <Habbie> RAZZZZ, but i think it's fdisk + resize2fs
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[15:07] <RAZZZZ> ya
[15:07] <RAZZZZ> i try to install ubuntu now
[15:07] <RAZZZZ> and use GPARTED from there
[15:07] <RAZZZZ> i dont know commands and stuff
[15:07] <RAZZZZ> need GUI
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[15:38] <zfe_> /2
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[16:51] <bbb_> anyone here?
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[20:55] <GEEMac> Hello... I'm looking for someone that has experience with video settings. Example: I am trying to watch a paid stream via Chromium, Pepperflash and Widevine installed and activated. I can hear the audio, but no video just a black screen.
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[21:00] <agentbeeman> hello! :)
[21:00] <GEEMac> Hello
[21:00] <agentbeeman> Can i ask something ?
[21:01] <GEEMac> sure. not sure I can help since I am a 4 day old noobie to Pi.
[21:01] <GEEMac> Ask away, maybe someone else can help
[21:01] <vagrantc> feel free to ask, be patient for a response
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[21:02] <harcourt> hello
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[21:02] <agentbeeman> I use my raspberry pi with Raspbian Lite (so no X/GUI). I use it to serve files to a client which uses SFTP to read the files. So i just login with the "pi" user from the client. But! I wonder if there is any way to make a new user which do not have sudo access and so on, that i can give to my brother so that he can also browse files on the server (but not ssh and do something stupid).
[21:02] <agentbeeman> Do you have any ideas, guys?
[21:03] <agentbeeman> I wish i could create a new user with very limited access (just read/write files in his home folder for example)...
[21:03] <vagrantc> adduser username
[21:04] <vagrantc> you can restrict which users are allowed to ssh in in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[21:04] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: sudo adduser username
[21:04] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: be aware ... !
[21:04] <vagrantc> by default, unprivledged users are mostly harmless
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[21:05] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: your PI was setup to be used as user pi... you can add users, but you may have to make tweeks to get them to work in some environments
[21:05] <marcushh777> like video
[21:06] <agentbeeman> vagrantc, nice! thanks dude
[21:06] <marcushh777> GEEMac: the key to video settings for the PI is the following link:
[21:06] <marcushh777> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5851&p=77547
[21:06] <marcushh777> ^
[21:06] <agentbeeman> so, he can SFTP, but not SSH in then ?
[21:07] <GEEMac> marcushh777: Uggggg don't mention video. Audio is great now thanks to your help, now having streaming video issues.
[21:07] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: that depends on how you setup his user account
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[21:07] <agentbeeman> why is it so that the user i just created (no groups on him) can view the files in the "pi" home folder ? i thought that was restricted for him ?
[21:07] <marcushh777> GEEMac: you need to know whether your setup uses CEA or DMT... did you read through the entire link above ?
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[21:08] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: permissions are : owner, group, other
[21:08] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: it is normal to give read permissions to other... but those may be turned oof
[21:08] <marcushh777> off*
[21:09] <GEEMac> I can hear the audio, but no video just a black screen. In the Chrome://flags settings in Chromium. If i turn off the first setting " Override software rendering list " the video shows but totally crushed frame rate.
[21:09] <brewbot2> Hi. I have some problems with my pi and python script. can someone please help me with an error I am having?
[21:09] <agentbeeman> aha, so if i log in with "pi" used and chmod the "pi" home folder to not be readable by all, then he can't see it?
[21:09] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: correct... chmod 0750
[21:10] <agentbeeman> that means only "pi" group can read it right ?
[21:10] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: chmod 0750 says owner read write execute, group read execute, other nothing
[21:11] <brewbot2> Client is not authorized to connect to ServerClient is not authorized to connect to ServerTraceback (most recent call last): File "servo.py", line 25, in <module> root = Tk() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1813, in __init__ self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use) _tkinter.TclError: couldn't connect to display ":1.0"
[21:11] <agentbeeman> is "execute " important for a user that only downloads movies from a folder and maybe write some meta data there ?
[21:11] <marcushh777> each number in chmod is three bits... octal binary the first bit is read, second bit write, third bit execute
[21:11] <marcushh777> no
[21:11] <GEEMac> marcushh777: Ahhhh It's not a HDMI issue it is apparently a software / Chromium issue. DRM probably but I have the drm issue so far working. just the rendering of the stream is bad
[21:12] <marcushh777> 7= 1 1 1 5= 1 0 1 0= 0 0 0 chmod 0750
[21:12] <GEEMac> I'll stand by here until agentbeeman's situation is ok
[21:12] <agentbeeman> thanks man
[21:13] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: you may change the permissions on the whole directory, or just individual files
[21:13] <agentbeeman> what is the "0" in front of the 3 chmod numbers ?
[21:13] <agentbeeman> you said 0-750
[21:13] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: its for the stiky bit... don't worry about it right now... read up on unix file permissions on-line
[21:13] <agentbeeman> okay
[21:14] <agentbeeman> i just write 0 for now
[21:14] <marcushh777> or, chmod 750
[21:15] <marcushh777> read only files chmod 440
[21:15] <marcushh777> normal read/write no execute chmod 0644
[21:15] <marcushh777> normal files chmod 0754
[21:15] <GEEMac> If I can remember some time back I gave users certain perms for folders and files and it was different from the root user. I'm trying to find that.
[21:16] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: unix permissions are the heart of the file system... its a 'must know' concept for everyone
[21:16] * vagrantc finds the chmod ugo+rwx a little easier to comprehend ... e.g. u=rw g=r o= (user read-write, group read, other nothing)
[21:17] <marcushh777> vagrantc: yes...
[21:17] <GEEMac> If I remember correctly it was via assigning the users to different groups with different privs
[21:17] <agentbeeman> sure, i will read up on it ! thanks man for patience. I just needed to get a user for my brother going on so that he can access the videos i got via SFTP with his own user :) i succeeded with chmod 750 on the pi home folder now. now all i need is that he can't SSH, but SFTP... but thats not so important
[21:18] <marcushh777> GEEMac: yes. I usually have a group called 'staff' in which I place trusted super users... helpers
[21:18] <GEEMac> agentbeeman: google " assigning users to groups in linux "
[21:18] <vagrantc> agentbeeman: try installing rssh and configuring the user's shell to use it.
[21:19] <agentbeeman> ugh +rwx makes sense
[21:19] <vagrantc> there's also rush for restricted shell
[21:19] <GEEMac> try this http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialManagingGroups.html
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[21:19] <brewbot2> after I have connected wires and used GPIO pins, do I have to clear/reset pins in software?
[21:19] <agentbeeman> aha. but that sounds complicated, i got this SSH and SFT "out of the box" on raspbian which i kinda like
[21:20] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: the two ways of addressing permissions is a preference thing... no functional difference
[21:20] <marcushh777> brewbot2: you should issue the cleanup() command when done in your script
[21:21] <agentbeeman> i see
[21:21] <vagrantc> agentbeeman: rssh or rush will resolve your no ssh but sftp access.
[21:21] <vagrantc> but you'll still need permissions set correctly
[21:22] <agentbeeman> do i have to uninstall SSH daemon that comes with Raspbian then ?
[21:22] <vagrantc> no
[21:22] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: NO !
[21:22] <GEEMac> agentbeeman: even though this is for Ubuntu it may help. http://askubuntu.com/questions/162417/how-can-i-check-the-permissions-of-a-specific-group
[21:22] <agentbeeman> thanks, bookmarked
[21:23] <agentbeeman> this was really interesting
[21:23] <vagrantc> agentbeeman: rssh/rush are shells, so when the user logs in, they're restricted in what they can do
[21:23] <vagrantc> agentbeeman: so you configure the user to use a restricted shell, instead of the default of bash.
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[21:23] <GEEMac> Does rasbian have Samba?
[21:23] <GEEMac> Can it be added?
[21:24] <marcushh777> GEEMac: yes.
[21:24] <agentbeeman> vagrantc, i see:) thats perfect, but a little above my skill set right now. I'm happy to set my home folder as restricted for my brother to read
[21:24] <agentbeeman> and it worked
[21:24] <marcushh777> GEEMac: try: sudo apt-get install samba
[21:24] <agentbeeman> he cannot edit important system files either
[21:24] <vagrantc> agentbeeman: apt install rssh ; chsh -s USER /usr/bin/rssh ... i think.
[21:24] <GEEMac> Not for me but for agentbeeman
[21:24] <agentbeeman> but he can probably download apps and execute them inside his home folder, for example a virus
[21:25] <vagrantc> agentbeeman: but if you're happy with just the permissions, that's fine. it's simple, and probably good enough.
[21:25] <agentbeeman> okay i try your commands
[21:26] <brewbot2> marcushh777; thanks. I have included that in my script. But I still get the "RuntimeWarning: This channel is already in use, continuing anyway. Use GPIO.setwarnings(False) to disable warnings. GPIO.setup(18, GPIO.OUT)"
[21:26] <marcushh777> brewbot2: you will get that command until you finally cleanup()... the next time you won't see it
[21:27] <marcushh777> brewbot2: you will get that result until you finally cleanup()... the next time you won't see it
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[21:27] <marcushh777> brewbot2: make sure your script actually hits the cleanup()
[21:27] <GEEMac> agentbeeman: can i follow through on my issue? If your still working on that I'll standby here.
[21:27] <marcushh777> brewbot2: if the warning pisses you off, you can disable the warnings... but I would not do that...
[21:28] <agentbeeman> GEEMac, sure man!
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[21:28] <marcushh777> brewbot2: the warning won't hurt you unless you actually have two (2) processes trying to manipulate the channels
[21:28] <GEEMac> Not sure that someone can help. It is mainly for someone into using the Pi for a HTPC....
[21:29] <marcushh777> brewbot2: if you know there is onlone process manipulating the channels, then no problema
[21:29] <marcushh777> brewbot2: only one*
[21:29] <agentbeeman> guys - a little problem that is very annoying - python complains about locale lc all and lc language all the time... then i install programs. is there a quick fix? i can see that lc all is missing when i type locale. The raps config didn't work ..
[21:30] <marcushh777> brewbot2: on the PineA64 for some reason, the warning comes up the first time regardless ! :-}
[21:30] <GEEMac> Here it goes... Looks as if my issue is a rendering issue. Black screen on a news channel feed but perfect audio. If I disable Override software rendering list in chromeium I at least get 10 to 15 fps
[21:30] <brewbot2> marcushh777; yes, its only one script I am trying to run. but I see that I have more errors. The errors acured when I disconnected the GIPIOs to move the hardware somewhere else.
[21:31] <agentbeeman> help GEEMac first i got my hands full here
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[21:31] <GEEMac> If someone wants they can PM me since the channel is getting busy.
[21:31] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: go into raspi-config and setup your locale
[21:32] <GEEMac> Unless there is a IRC channel for Pi HTPC use.
[21:32] <marcushh777> brewbot2: your script probably hit errors 'before' it got to the cleanup()
[21:33] <marcushh777> GEEMac: sounds like chromium has some issues...
[21:33] <agentbeeman> GEEMac, sounds like maybe pi is too slow
[21:34] <GEEMac> I'm thinking that. Uggg Netflix and a news feed is being messed up here. Looks like I'm back to the big HTPC ubuntu box.
[21:34] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: PI is slow (relatively) GPU is having trouble keeping up...
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[21:35] <GEEMac> the Pi was touted to be excellent in 1080p video streaming. Apparently not. Well at least I can use it for the Ham radio stuff.
[21:35] <agentbeeman> vagrantc, : i think you spelled it wrong, its not chsh -s USER /usr/bin/rssh, but chsh -s /usr/bin/rssh USER. I fixed it myself;)
[21:36] <marcushh777> GEEMac: the PI (a $35 dollar SBC) is a good 1080p streaming device... but its NOT a $1500 dollar media center !
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[21:36] <agentbeeman> GEEMac, that six, i find pi is very limited but exceptional for a few things.. it can play video very well for instance, or be a simple server
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[21:37] <GEEMac> Maybe the new Kodi will fix some DRM issues
[21:37] <marcushh777> GEEMac: and... 15 fps is not bad... your eye can't really see much beyond 22 fps
[21:37] <marcushh777> GEEMac: fps is just a number... how does it 'look' ?
[21:37] <GEEMac> I'm thinking it is a combination of DRM and rendering. I guess the Pi3 just can't handle both
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[21:38] <marcushh777> GEEMac: yes,... DRM is part of it !
[21:38] <agentbeeman> marcushh777, : when i tried to login with my brothers account on the pi (SSH) it says : "This account is restricted by rssh. This user is locked out. If you believe this is in error, please contact your system administrator."
[21:38] <GEEMac> Well I was being generous when I said 15 fps. more like stop motion video
[21:38] <agentbeeman> is that right marcushh777 ?
[21:38] <agentbeeman> GEEMac, tried overclocking it ?
[21:39] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: sounds right to me
[21:39] <agentbeeman> marcushh777, cool, then it worked yo
[21:39] <agentbeeman> marcushh777, so now he can only SFTP for files ya
[21:39] <GEEMac> Not yet I'm a bit hesitant to do that and poof the cpu
[21:39] <marcushh777> GEEMac: be careful of over-clocking... its not recommended if you want system stability... but, if you do use a heatsink and fan
[21:41] <agentbeeman> marcushh777, : but how can he browse files with SFTP if he is locked out?
[21:42] <GEEMac> I always looked at CPUs this way, 4g from a 2g cpu after OC then why not just buy a 4g cpu. I never liked OCing
[21:42] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: if it were me, I would setup a web server and serve out the files via https
[21:43] <agentbeeman> marcushh777, : but SFTP is more secure, its encrypted and stuff
[21:43] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: I never give users a shell... only trusted staff personel
[21:43] <GEEMac> agentbeeman: Look into Samba. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba
[21:43] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: https is secure...
[21:44] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: https can support ftp
[21:44] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: I never give users a shell... only trusted staff personel
[21:44] <agentbeeman> i see
[21:44] <agentbeeman> how do i take away the shell, but keep the SFTP-ability ?
[21:45] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: setup a file server: via https
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[21:45] <agentbeeman> okey
[21:45] <GEEMac> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[21:45] <agentbeeman> maybe its faster also
[21:45] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: samba helps if the user is on windows... otherwise, no so much
[21:46] <GEEMac> true
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[21:46] <agentbeeman> nah I'm on Apple tv, using an app which can view files via SFTP, so i thought it was nice to not have to install anything more, but ill look into shtml
[21:46] <agentbeeman> and samba
[21:46] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: heh... personally, I have not touched windows since 1998... ;)
[21:47] <agentbeeman> hehe
[21:47] <agentbeeman> hardcore man
[21:47] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: Apache !
[21:47] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: sudo apt-get install apache
[21:47] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: but read up on it... an html server is complicated
[21:48] <GEEMac> I have no choice here with having to use windows. 90% of my video and audio editing is based that way.
[21:48] <vagrantc> agentbeeman: glad you figured it out
[21:49] <marcushh777> GEEMac: yeah, I get that... many people are locked in
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[21:49] <GEEMac> agentbeeman: check LAMP out. it install all packages at one shot
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[21:50] <GEEMac> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-install-lamp-on-ubuntu
[21:51] <GEEMac> I'm pretty sure it will work on Raspbian
[21:52] <GEEMac> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[21:52] <agentbeeman> nice
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[21:53] <agentbeeman> will bookmark it for future reading
[21:53] <GEEMac> Of course that may be overkill if you're not setting up a web server/ftp site
[21:53] <agentbeeman> i have so much to learn about linux
[21:53] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: enjoy the journey ! :D
[21:53] <GEEMac> I know enough to be dangerous and screw things up
[21:53] <agentbeeman> I'm just a simple guy who has transmission-daemon and sharing some movies with media centres
[21:53] <agentbeeman> using a r-pi 3
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[21:55] <agentbeeman> it seemed that when i replaced that shell for the new user for my brother, it didn't work to SFTP into the user either. so I'm back to just having a "harmless" user then, at least he doesn't have sudo privileges:)
[21:55] <agentbeeman> he can ssh in, but not do so much harm really
[21:56] <GEEMac> arggggg so I spent $3 US on mpeg 2 and VC1 codecs for this thing and I willl probably end up retiring it to Ham Radio use.
[21:56] <agentbeeman> GEEMac, its about the journey , not the destination :P
[21:56] <GEEMac> lol
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[21:58] <GEEMac> Well being a Amateur Radio op (de N2BRG) this little Pi has quite a bit of use for the hobby.
[21:58] <agentbeeman> Does the nick "agent bee man" ring a bell for any of you?
[21:59] <agentbeeman> have you seen the series
[22:00] <GEEMac> FBI agent
[22:00] <GEEMac> Heard of it
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[22:03] <GEEMac> marcushh777: Too bad there is no way of forcing the Chrome browser to install on this arm device. That would clear up just about all the issues here.
[22:04] <GEEMac> Chromium is a mess. Drops video, images and even some HTML/CSS.
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[22:17] <marcushh777> yup
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[22:17] <marcushh777> i use midori
[22:17] <marcushh777> it has issues too
[22:17] <marcushh777> krusti8 has a nice browser you might try
[22:18] <marcushh777> GEEMac: meet up with kusti8 on the forum... get that browser
[22:19] <marcushh777> brb try to get you a link...
[22:19] <GEEMac> https://kusti8.github.io/RPi-chromium/
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[22:22] <GEEMac> marcushh777: My biggest issue is that Chromium does not support DRM for Netflix but Chrome does. But..... Chrome does not have a release for Arm devices such as the Pi. Netflix finally relented to Linux users but only placed the DRM package in Chrome
[22:23] <marcushh777> GEEMac: Digital Restrictions Management MUST die...
[22:24] <marcushh777> GEEMac: I have decided that I don't need hollywood, nor netflix, nor anyone else who (Sony) thinks that DRM is the way to treat their customers... blah
[22:24] <marcushh777> GEEMac: defective by design
[22:24] <GEEMac> It will never happen It's a new toy for the industry. I just can't figure why Google Devs are overlooking Arm devices with Linux
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[22:25] <marcushh777> GEEMac: because they don't care ... its a niche ; not worth it
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[22:26] <GEEMac> And the crazy thing is that Amazon fire and all the other video toys are ARM and Linux based. But... They won't let you roll your own.
[22:28] <marcushh777> GEEMac: these little systems and the 'open' environment terrify these guys... and it should... they're either going to play nice, or we're going to take them out of business...
[22:32] <GEEMac> brb tele call
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[22:45] <GEEMac> marcushh777: It's just a complete mess this whole DRM thing. To make it easy, why don't they charge a one time fee for a license as in the Pi store for the two codecs. Lets say a DRM fee of 10 bucks. You know how much money they would rake in.
[22:47] <marcushh777> GEEMac: they want the whole world to be on a pay-per-view/ its going to be a battle. I've decided boycott is the only vehicle we really have to battle this stupidity; I don't need their crap,
[22:48] <marcushh777> GEEMac: in my view... I have the money, they have the media. They're not getting my money until they get reasonable.
[22:48] <marcushh777> GEEMac: freedom is more important than media
[22:49] <marcushh777> GEEMac: no, I don't buy blue ray disks
[22:51] <agentbeeman> OK i have the group "downloads" which has two members. i used chown to make "downloads" group own this folder. i add my two users to the "downloads" group. But they can only access the folder when i use chmod 770 or 750, not when i use 660 , why is that ?
[22:51] <GEEMac> Yep. around 2003/2005 just before they threw the Digital switch, there was talk among the major networks to encrypt the ATSC stream and charge the viewer per year. The thing that killed that was the sponsors. Something like in the UK a tax for TV, But there are no commercials. The public funds the programming. Which I think is more superior then the US programming.
[22:52] <agentbeeman> i thought 660 should give the members of the group read and write access, why do they need execute permissions to "cd" into the folder ?
[22:53] <agentbeeman> sorry if I'm unclear
[22:54] <agentbeeman> (chmod 550 also worked. what i can't understand is that 660 doesn't work ??)
[22:54] <agentbeeman> do linux really require execute privileges to browse a folder ?
[22:54] <GEEMac> agentbeeman: Just create a folder for your brother and set it to R/W only and set him to his own group. This way he can't get access to root.
[22:56] <GEEMac> Groups separate the people in that group from root privs then you can be flexible with the users of that group
[22:58] <agentbeeman> ok
[22:59] <GEEMac> https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/linux-users-and-groups ------- http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36845/the-beginners-guide-to-managing-users-and-groups-in-linux/
[22:59] <GEEMac> These links may help
[23:03] <GEEMac> I'm even bookmarking them here. They are pretty detailed.
[23:06] <agentbeeman> i found the mistake GEEMac ; i wasn't using -R in the chmod command
[23:06] <agentbeeman> that made it work :)
[23:06] <agentbeeman> now i can use chmod 550 -R /folder and it worked like i wanted to
[23:07] <GEEMac> There ya go.... Uoy
[23:07] <GEEMac> you be an expert soon
[23:07] <GEEMac> thanks to my cat for walking across my keyboard.
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[23:08] <GEEMac> Uoy.... lol
[23:08] <agentbeeman> GEEMac, hehe
[23:08] <agentbeeman> GEEMac, thanks for the tip about making his folder non-executable btw, thats a good idea
[23:09] <agentbeeman> i believe if he can't execute in his home folder, then he can't execute anywhere else, either, or so i hope
[23:09] <agentbeeman> hes just a standard user
[23:09] <agentbeeman> no sudo
[23:09] <GEEMac> marcushh777: still in here? Just wondering if there is anything for Raspbian that I can push the video from my iPhone (airplay) to the Pi?
[23:09] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: read up on unix permissions... directories are special... for a directory to work properly execute permission is required.
[23:09] <GEEMac> agentbeeman: Yw
[23:10] <agentbeeman> marcushh777, i didn't need it, i just needed the -R command , that means that everything behind that folder is also affected by the chmod
[23:11] <agentbeeman> anyway, i dont think its possible to "execute" a folder anyway:) but the files in it, maybe
[23:11] <agentbeeman> chmod 660 -R worked fine marcushh777
[23:12] <agentbeeman> but not chmod 660
[23:13] <GEEMac> I think marcushh777 meant that it has to exec the command to set the perms per each access. ( ? )
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[23:14] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: if the directory does not have execute permissions set on it, it won't work
[23:15] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: and there are exceptions to what "won't work" means
[23:15] <agentbeeman> it worked to "cd" into the folder, but not to mkdir or write a new file :(
[23:15] <marcushh777> yup
[23:15] <agentbeeman> but i dont want anyone to execute files that is inside the folder
[23:15] <agentbeeman> :(
[23:16] <marcushh777> don't give them write access, and don't put executables in there
[23:17] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: also, most times we set aside a separate partition for these directories, and we mount them noexec
[23:17] <agentbeeman> ah
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[23:17] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: which means that executables cannot run from that directory period
[23:18] <agentbeeman> but can't i do the same with a folder, not a partition?
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[23:18] <marcushh777> no
[23:18] <marcushh777> only partitions can be mounted
[23:18] <marcushh777> noexec
[23:18] <agentbeeman> thats dumb in linux
[23:19] <marcushh777> heh heh... no that's smart in unix gnu+linux
[23:19] <marcushh777> to know why the system is designed the way it is, you need to understand the entire file system and permissions setup... which
[23:19] <marcushh777> means a lot of reading for you.. !
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[23:20] <marcushh777> there is no royal road to unix file system understanding
[23:20] <agentbeeman> i want it spoonfed in a 2 minutes youtube video with babes talking
[23:20] <agentbeeman> just kidding man
[23:20] <agentbeeman> i understand...
[23:20] <marcushh777> ;)
[23:21] <agentbeeman> so i have to trash this project about a shared downloads folder in /home
[23:21] <agentbeeman> because i dont like it being executable
[23:21] <agentbeeman> being a downloads folder and all
[23:21] <agentbeeman> could be a virus
[23:22] <vagrantc> viruses are ... exceedingly rare for linux
[23:22] <vagrantc> running random software off the internet, however, is generally bad form
[23:23] <agentbeeman> hm, so i just have to chmod 770 then
[23:23] <agentbeeman> its all on one partition man
[23:23] <vagrantc> what exactly are you trying to prevent against?
[23:24] <agentbeeman> someone SSH into the folder and run programs i dont like on my server
[23:24] <vagrantc> so only give users access via rssh
[23:24] <vagrantc> they can't run arbitrary programs then
[23:24] <agentbeeman> yeah but then they can't SFTP into the folder
[23:25] <vagrantc> why not?
[23:25] <agentbeeman> i tried it
[23:25] <vagrantc> that's pretty much the point of rssh.
[23:25] <vagrantc> maybe you tried it wrong?
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[23:25] <agentbeeman> hm
[23:25] <agentbeeman> can u help me do it ?
[23:25] <agentbeeman> if i do one try
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[23:26] <vagrantc> probably just a permissions issue
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[23:27] <agentbeeman> okay
[23:27] <agentbeeman> cool
[23:27] <agentbeeman> if it worked, it would be just what i wanted
[23:27] <agentbeeman> block SSH access, but allow SFTP
[23:27] <vagrantc> you'd have the same issue with ssh
[23:27] <agentbeeman> thats kinda like giving RW access but not X
[23:28] <vagrantc> +x means something entirely different on directories
[23:28] <agentbeeman> but doesn't it mean that all files in that folder is then executable?
[23:28] <vagrantc> +x just allows to list the contents of a directory
[23:28] <agentbeeman> ah
[23:29] <agentbeeman> thats not so dangerous
[23:29] <agentbeeman> :D
[23:29] <vagrantc> removing the -x on files doesn't substantially add any security, as a malicious user could simply run the binary with whatever interpreter they want
[23:30] <vagrantc> it's just a convenience
[23:30] <agentbeeman> aha
[23:30] <agentbeeman> but doesn't the interpreter have to be executed swell
[23:30] <vagrantc> if you're that worried, you've got a lot of research to do :)
[23:30] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: for instance: removing the x from a script does not mean I can't run the script... I just have to run it
[23:30] <marcushh777> differently
[23:30] <marcushh777> . scriptname
[23:30] <agentbeeman> i see
[23:30] <marcushh777> soo the dot
[23:30] <vagrantc> yes, and they have a wide range of interpreters available in /usr/bin, /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin
[23:31] <marcushh777> right
[23:31] <agentbeeman> thats why u remove the shell?!
[23:31] <vagrantc> or "sh script"
[23:31] <marcushh777> yup... I don't give out shells ever
[23:31] <vagrantc> and we return to rssh
[23:31] <agentbeeman> yeah
[23:31] <marcushh777> only to trusted staff helpers
[23:31] <agentbeeman> do you wanna help me try rush again ?
[23:31] <agentbeeman> rssh
[23:33] <vagrantc> seems like you first need to get a good handle on file permissions
[23:35] <agentbeeman> okay man, i have them feels you are right
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[23:47] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: really get a GOOD handle on file permissions... its the soul of the filesystem
[23:48] <marcushh777> agentbeeman: another way to say it is, if you don't get a good handle on filesystem permissions, gnu+linux is going to be very frustrating for you...
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[23:49] <agentbeeman> ya thanks for the advice man i listen up
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