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[0:21] <- *Guest7449* r u their?
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[0:56] <vagrantc> plugwash: i'm curious why the raspbian kernel has a whole configuration dumped in debian/config/armhf/config.rpi rather than a reduced selection of needed options... ? would you be amenable to a trimmed down config that was closer to the debian defaults?
[0:56] <plugwash> note that there is no usable "raspbian kernel" at the moment
[0:57] <vagrantc> ouch
[0:57] <vagrantc> plugwash: so people just grab a kernel from elsewhere?
[0:57] <plugwash> people generally use the raspberry Pi foundation's kernel
[0:58] <vagrantc> is that the kernel the raspbian installer uses?
[0:58] <plugwash> I belive so, note that the "raspbian installer" is something of a hack and was created by a third party not us. I haven't tried it myself.
[0:59] <vagrantc> someone lent me an rpi, and figured i'd poke around with it soonish, and needed initramfs support
[1:00] <vagrantc> is this a classic case of kernel support not being pushed/accepted into mainline?
[1:00] <plugwash> basically at the time I last looked at kernel packaging in raspbian the foundation kernel was still 3.1 based, there was a third party 3.2 kernel from a guy called bootc and I tried to use his work to build a modified version of the debian kernel packaging. It built ok but I found the result unusablly unstable and when I tried using bootc's binary kernel release I found that unusablly unstable too
[1:01] <plugwash> so at that point I gave up
[1:01] <vagrantc> i see
[1:01] <plugwash> i've been meaning to get back to it since the foundation moved to 3.2 but i've had other more important things to do.
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[1:03] <plugwash> it would be much appreciated if someone else would do the work ;)
[1:03] <vagrantc> i might take a stab at it.
[1:03] <vagrantc> i also noticed the "qemu" variant in there, but you could probably just use "vexpress"
[1:04] <vagrantc> it supports armv7, but could still be used with raspbian
[1:04] <plugwash> yeah, I couldn't get that qemu variant to work anyway, I might just reenable vexpress. OTOH it is useful to have a qemu configuration that DOESN'T support armv7 sometimes.
[1:04] <plugwash> though less so now the raspberry Pi is readilly available
[1:04] <vagrantc> might be able to build it using only armv6
[1:06] <plugwash> anyway you will find that there is one big patch in debian/patches that contains the diff between an upstream kernel and bootc's kernel. You will want to replace that with one based on the foundation's kernel (or better still a set of seperate patches for each feature but that is likely to be more effort than it's worth to produce)
[1:06] <plugwash> you will also want to update things to the latest version from debian
[1:06] <vagrantc> sure.
[1:06] <vagrantc> i'll give a whirl, managed to help get two other arm variants enabled in debian, how hard could it be to get one working outside debian? :)
[1:07] <plugwash> OOI which two?
[1:07] <vagrantc> mx5 and vexpress
[1:08] <vagrantc> negotiating raspberrypi.org doesn't seem to make it easy to find their kernel patch(es)?
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[1:09] <vagrantc> i mostly helped with testing mx5/vexpress and winnowing down the config until the kernel team was willing to include it.
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[1:10] <Tirili> Hi
[1:10] * vagrantc waves
[1:10] <plugwash> I'm not sure there are "patches" as such, they maintain their kernel in a git repo at https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[1:10] <Tirili> Is there a gui program to download and install new packages in raspbian?
[1:10] <Tirili> Like kpackagetool for kubuntu?
[1:11] <plugwash> one can diff the head of that repo against an official kernel release to make a patch (at least that is what I did for bootc's kernel)
[1:11] <vagrantc> plugwash: thanks, will have a look at it
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[1:15] <plugwash> Tirili, I can't find any evidence that a program called "kpackagetool" exists, if you mean "kpackage" that was removed from debian a couple of years ago for being obsolete and buggy. if you mean "kpackagekit" it seems that hasn't made it into debian yet.
[1:15] <plugwash> the reccomended GUI package manager for debian/raspbian would be synaptic (though it's gtk based which is less than ideal if you are running a qt based desktop)
[1:17] <Tirili> ok, then the name was kpackagekit
[1:17] <Tirili> I still wonder how to browse programs with a gui in raspbian then.
[1:17] <Tirili> Is there such kind of a gui?
[1:21] <plugwash> as I said synaptic
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[1:27] <Tirili> I think I should read the debian reference section about packages first.
[1:27] <Tirili> thanks anyway :)
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[1:56] <Essobi> Happy Holidays. Herp.
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[2:37] <plugwash> vagrantc, if you manage to pull together a decent kernel package please post on the forum about it.
[2:39] <vagrantc> plugwash: will see
[2:39] <vagrantc> i have yet to even boot an rpi at all :)
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[10:57] <ARMenian> i have a question..
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[10:58] <ARMenian> if i add the APC.io to the main repository and then boost the CPU frequencies while maintaining root access to the DB would i be able to telnet into an gibson?
[10:58] <ARMenian> or would that only result in a cross domain prescripted ping
[10:59] <ARMenian> i'm thinking.. we could attach malware to the ping packet
[10:59] <ARMenian> then wait for pong
[10:59] <ARMenian> if pong is greater than the return route of response a+(1-y) x (1-x) per each ms within a hop , would then x=hip?
[11:00] <ARMenian> therefore hip/over is not equal 127.0.0.1
[11:02] <ARMenian> thanks and peace be with you
[11:02] <ARMenian> anonymouse pad
[11:02] <ARMenian> byte
[11:02] <ARMenian> quit /bye
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[15:44] <- *XenGi* Sry I'm currently not present but you can leave me a message and I will probably respond to it.
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[15:57] <Tirili> Hi
[15:57] <Tirili> Can I listen to mp3s with the B-model and raspbian?
[15:58] * _ds_ expects so
[15:58] <Tirili> I fear the sound does not work. But let me try.
[15:59] <_ds_> Audio definitely works fine for me, at least in RISC OS…
[16:01] <Tirili> Is there an mp3 player program on the image for raspbian?
[16:02] <_ds_> Not checked, but mpg123 is an aptitude install away.
[16:02] <_ds_> (at worst)
[16:03] <Tirili> But the games of the python-games thing on the desktop after a default installation should have sounds, right?
[16:03] <_ds_> I would have thought so, but it's possible that dependencies aren't all installed.
[16:04] <_ds_> (don't ask me what)
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[16:13] <maswan> my omxplayer in raspbian certainly has sound
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[16:45] <Amadiro> Tirili, yes, you can, and you can use mplayer/vlc/whatever you want
[16:45] <Amadiro> Tirili, there is also raspbmc/openelec, which is a media-center distribution for the rpi, so that might be something you could look at.
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[16:54] <|Jeroen|> openelec works great
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[16:57] <Amadiro> crashes quite a lot for me
[16:57] <Amadiro> but raspbmc is worse
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[17:20] <|Jeroen|> never had a crach
[17:20] <|Jeroen|> maby you overclock to much
[17:20] <|Jeroen|> raspbmc works well also, but is way slower
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[17:22] <Amadiro> |Jeroen| crashes without overclocking as well. For streaming videos, it usually crashes 5-10 minutes into the video, and if you attempt to pause it, it crashes immediately
[17:22] <Amadiro> raspbmc was way faster than openelec on my system
[17:22] <|Jeroen|> i do have a new one with 512mb maby thats the difference
[17:23] <Amadiro> with raspbmc the menus feel snappy and I get around 64 FPS constant, with openelec only around 45 fps, and the menus feel very slow (without overclocking)
[17:23] <|Jeroen|> strange, with me it was the other way round
[17:23] <Amadiro> I assumed it was because OpenELEC was not build with hardfloats, but I didn't really investigate the issue, since neither works very well for me
[17:24] <|Jeroen|> mhz, i thouht they used hardfloat
[17:24] <Amadiro> Dunno
[17:25] <Amadiro> Overclocking the rpi to 800-900MHz made OpenELEC feel fairly snappy, but since it kept crashing anyway, I can't really use it.
[17:25] <Amadiro> But I'm suspecting it might have something to do with my SD card, so I've ordered a new one -- I'll try again with that
[17:25] <|Jeroen|> i don't overclock atm
[17:25] <|Jeroen|> could be the case
[17:26] <|Jeroen|> i use a normal 4gb one
[17:26] <|Jeroen|> no class 10 or whatever
[17:26] <Amadiro> I use a 2 gigabyte one currently, but its only class 2
[17:26] <Amadiro> so that probably contributes quite a bit to the menu sluggishness
[17:27] * _ds_ hasn't seen full speed from a class 10 SDHC card
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[17:28] <Amadiro> Fastest one benchmarked in the elinux wiki is like 21MiB/s write and read
[17:28] <|Jeroen|> you can always try e netboot
[17:28] <|Jeroen|> i tested gentoo with an nfs root, and it was also quite fast
[17:28] <|Jeroen|> just uses the sd to boot
[17:29] <_ds_> 20.6MB/s from a Sandisk class 10 card.
[17:29] <_ds_> (using dd)
[17:29] <Amadiro> that's probably as good as it gets
[17:29] <_ds_> Seems likely.
[17:32] <Amadiro> it'd be nice to have a bootable SATA interface or so
[17:33] <|Jeroen|> u guess you can connect an usb sata device
[17:33] <|Jeroen|> i
[17:35] <atouk> pi must boot from sd, but you can have your rootfs on a usb drive
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[18:28] <Matrixiumn> Hello
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[19:01] <sraue> Amadiro, OpenELEC is hardfloat enabled since the beginning (since March)
[19:06] <Amadiro> sraue, ah. Strange that it was so much slower on my system than raspbmc, then.
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[19:06] <sraue> Amadiro, its not strange, its not overclocked
[19:06] <Amadiro> sraue, I tested with raspbmc and openelec at the same clockrates.
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[19:08] <sraue> normally raspbmc uses older firmwares, kernels and a older xbmc, while openelec uses the most recent versions... for sure it can act a bit different...
[19:08] <Amadiro> Well, I'll re-do the tests once I get an SD card shipped that isn't slow as snails.
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[22:37] <Tirili> Thank you, Amadiro and maswan!
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[22:38] <Tirili> Sorry for answering 6h later, I was interrupted for a game of Monopoly... :D
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