#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-12-31

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[0:00] <plugwash> by exactly what sources I mean git commit IDs or whatever
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[0:00] <plugwash> (tarball names if you used a tarball rather than git for the upstream version to diff against)
[0:00] <vagrantc> plugwash: yeah, that's the part that's going to require some trickery ... essentially i took the rpi-3.2.27 branch, merged upstream v3.2.35, and diffed against plain v3.2.35
[0:01] <vagrantc> so should be able to generate a git log for that
[0:01] <plugwash> erm
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[0:01] <plugwash> surely merging upstream 3.2.35 into the rpi-3.2.27 branch should be a no-op...........
[0:02] <vagrantc> ah, sure, probably.
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[0:02] <plugwash> so why did you do it?
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[0:03] <vagrantc> to make sure it merged cleanly
[0:03] <vagrantc> trivial enough to redo that part...
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[0:03] * plugwash wonders why debian is still on 3.2.25
[0:04] <vagrantc> in any case, both broke on arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/built-in.o: In function `bcm2708_init':
[0:04] <vagrantc> vc_mem.c:(.init.text+0x2c0): undefined reference to `fiq_fix_enable'
[0:05] <vagrantc> both my builds.
[0:05] <vagrantc> plugwash: as compared to?
[0:05] <vagrantc> it's the 3.2 stable series...
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[0:06] <vagrantc> plugwash: oh, sorry, 3.2.35
[0:06] <plugwash> DOH
[0:07] <vagrantc> easy for numbers to jumble around...
[0:07] * plugwash misread 35 as 25
[0:07] * vagrantc has done the same several times in the last few hours
[0:07] <plugwash> what you say makes sense now, the rpf is behind debian so you merged the version debian was using before making the diff
[0:07] <plugwash> makes sense
[0:08] <vagrantc> glad to be making sense again
[0:10] <vagrantc> took the efika about 5.5 hours to hit the same error my x86_64 quad-core with qemu did in 2
[0:11] <plugwash> do you know how to fix said error?
[0:12] <vagrantc> not off the top of my head, just started to look at it
[0:12] <vagrantc> i knew that was just too easy... :)
[0:13] <vagrantc> so it's about 196 git commits represented in that patch
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[0:37] <plugwash> fucking qt
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[0:38] <plugwash> a combination of broken clean target, documentation builds that hang on raspbian, sheer bloody size and the fact that it seems impossible to build the documentation without also building much of the code make it a PITA to forward port the change we made to it
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[1:43] <dl17> Hi, I'm trying to get an initramfs to load the ums_cypress module so I can make my ancient USB mass storage device the root device. I'm not having much luck with initramfs, so I don't know if the kernel is lacking something to do this. Would it be easier to recompile a kernel with ums_cypress built in?
[1:52] <vagrantc> most of the kernels i've found lack initramfs support
[1:52] <vagrantc> though i presume simply building them with initramfs support should allow that to work
[1:53] <vagrantc> i've been working on getting that the last couple days
[1:53] <dl17> vagrantc: that's sort of what I'm trying to figure out at the moment. According to https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.2.27/arch/arm/configs/bcmrpi_defconfig this CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y but I'm not sure if that's the kernel config that's in raspbian and I'm also not sure what else is needed
[1:53] <dl17> vagrantc: if I were going to rebuild for anything, I'd just put the ums_cypress driver static into the kernel
[1:54] <dl17> vagrantc: do you have any good resources on building a new kernel for this thing?
[1:54] <vagrantc> not really, although i'm doing it the hard way- tryinng to get it to build in the kernel tree itself.
[1:54] <dl17> vagrantc: I used to run a cross-compiled gentoo on a powerPC ibook, so the process isn't completely alien, but there sure was a lot of handholding for the gentoo setup
[1:54] <vagrantc> er, from debian kernel source package with rpi patches applied
[1:55] <dl17> vagrantc: ah. raspbian doesn't have a more "automatic" method?
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[2:02] <vagrantc> not yet
[2:06] <dl17> vagrantc: see this: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/75
[2:06] <dl17> vagrantc: idlemoor's comment may help
[2:08] <vagrantc> well, i'm heading off for now.
[2:08] <vagrantc> will give another whirl after some food.
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[4:20] <sanje2v> Hi all, has anyone any news on when Mono will be fixed for hard float Rasbian? The silly DateTime bug is holding my ASP.NET Ajax server back.
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[4:48] <gnarface> should i have an rpi-update binary? i can't seem to find it
[4:49] <Gallomimia> uh.... firmware you mean? i can't remember how that's done
[4:49] <Gallomimia> anyone care to help me get a samba based NAS mounted on my raspbian system?
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[4:51] <gnarface> hmm. yea i guess basically i just wanna make sure i have the latest firmware
[4:51] <Gallomimia> understandable. and advisable. i think there's an apt-package for it
[4:52] <Gallomimia> like i said i can't remember. there's a rpi wiki article on it somewhere tho
[4:52] <Gallomimia> let's search. i should do the same
[4:55] <gnarface> been searching, and failing
[4:55] <gnarface> just finding references to a tool called rpi-update everyone uses, but it seems odd there's no package for it so i'm wondering if that's the way everyone really does it
[4:57] <Gallomimia> that sounds familiar. the one i used also let you change the memory slicing
[4:57] <Gallomimia> try looking up how to compile quake3 cause it's needed in that process to change the gpu memory to a much higher value
[4:58] <Gallomimia> uh.... what's good for reading pdf's?\
[4:58] <Gallomimia> oh i think okular
[4:59] <Gallomimia> holy console spam batman\
[5:00] <gnarface> i think i fixed the gpu thing
[5:00] <gnarface> haven't tested yet
[5:00] <gnarface> from another howto
[5:00] <gnarface> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianQuake3
[5:00] <gnarface> but these are the only build instructions i came across
[5:00] <Gallomimia> yeah that's it
[5:00] <gnarface> i was hoping the default package would work hardware accelerated
[5:00] <gnarface> didn't realize i'd have to rebuild it
[5:00] <gnarface> but i'll give it a try
[5:01] <Gallomimia> there was no package when i tried
[5:04] <Gallomimia> ever gotten a winddows share mounted?
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[6:20] <gnarface> Gallomimia: not on raspbian, no
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[6:43] <vagrantc> anyone know where to find the exact sources for the kernel shipped in: http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/download.php?file=/images/raspbian/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.zip
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[7:06] <Cael> been trying to emulate the pi while i dosmall tests on my raspbian image. (using qemu)i used win32diskimager to make a full img of my SD, now qemu boots a default untouched raspbian image but not my Dump. it'll crash with this. https://www.dropbox.com/s/w8ojkai8xf11hxw/qemucrash.png
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[7:22] <TechnoZealot_> Hello
[7:22] <Cael> Hello
[7:23] <TechnoZealot_> I have a question about something that's been causing kernel panic boot failures on two of my SD cards.
[7:23] <TechnoZealot_> I got a Raspberry Pi Model B over the holidays, and with it came a pre-imaged 4 GB SD card. I had prepared another 4gb card (previously used in a digital camera) ahead of time just in case as well.
[7:24] <TechnoZealot_> Pretty soon after use, the pre-imaged card failed to boot with a kernel panic error, (I may have OC'd on Turbo before this happened, but the effects were almost instantaneous).
[7:24] <Cael> ok
[7:24] <Cael> look ontop of your RaspberryPi
[7:24] <TechnoZealot_> I reimaged it and it happened again, so I went back to the card I imaged myself, and it has worked well for a long time
[7:24] <Cael> is it one with Samsung Ram?
[7:25] <Cael> or Hynix
[7:25] <TechnoZealot_> The original was the standard element14 pre-imaged RasPi card
[7:25] <Cael> (Hynix Ram Pi's dont seem to take kind to any overvolting/sdclock past 450)
[7:26] <TechnoZealot_> Oh RAM!
[7:26] <TechnoZealot_> I thought you meant SD card at first
[7:26] <TechnoZealot_> I am unsure, only I know that TUrbo mode does indeed work
[7:26] <TechnoZealot_> but I haven't checked with the cpu monitor
[7:26] <TechnoZealot_> Although, I did notice a very nice speed boost
[7:26] <Cael> yea i have 2 pi's myself a 512MB ModelB and a 256MB Model B.
[7:27] <TechnoZealot_> Mine is a 512MB if that helps at all
[7:27] <Cael> you can see right on the pi the brand of the ram you might need a magnifying glass if you cant make out the text
[7:28] <TechnoZealot_> Is the RAM the larger, central IC marked "IC2"?
[7:28] <Cael> if you have one with Hynix ram i suggest even on turbo mode set the sdram_clock to no more than 450.
[7:28] <TechnoZealot_> I believe I have a Samsung.
[7:29] <Cael> its the largest one in the center you can see it between the composite /hdmi out
[7:29] <TechnoZealot_> Yes, that's it. Mine reads that it is Samsung RAM.
[7:30] <TechnoZealot_> However, I had been cold-powering my RasPi to shut it off for a bit
[7:30] <Cael> hmm.. you may still be seeing SD Card corruption (i've had an SD card completly fail on me . ) if your using Turbo mode you can try adding in the confix.txt "initial_turbo=60"
[7:30] <th__> that'll surely ruin your filesystem
[7:30] <TechnoZealot_> and I was forced to earlier tonight, as everything basically became unresponsive and then when I tried a reboot I got a VFS kernl panic
[7:31] <TechnoZealot_> I'm pretty sure it is an MBR issue.
[7:31] <TechnoZealot_> Is there any tool I might be able to use to repair the MBR
[7:31] <Cael> setting intial turbo helps against SD Corruption.
[7:31] <TechnoZealot_> so that I can access the filesystem and salvage some files?
[7:31] <Cael> atleast alot of people recommended doing so on the raspbmc forums.
[7:31] <TechnoZealot_> I will make sure to do that, by the way.
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[7:32] <TechnoZealot_> At the moment, I'm trying to see if there's any way I can get my files back. Diskinternals Linux Reader cannot seem to even open the second partition on the SD card.
[7:32] <Cael> well you can run fsck on a linux pc to solve most of it or chkdisk on a windows pc to solve anything on the vfat partition but you can make changes as is on a windows pc to the config.txt
[7:33] <TechnoZealot_> Oh, I have access to the config kernel partition
[7:33] <TechnoZealot_> that seems to be okay
[7:34] <TechnoZealot_> I tried updating the files there with ones on the git after the initial boot failure.
[7:34] <TechnoZealot_> still no dice
[7:34] <TechnoZealot_> I think there is a problem in the filesystem sector that prevents it from booting
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[7:36] <TechnoZealot_> it reads:
[7:36] <TechnoZealot_> PANIC: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)\
[7:36] <TechnoZealot_> then it tries to enter kdb, but it won't actually accept input
[7:37] <Cael> sorry back (wa sgetting my spac eheater as my room's an icecube.
[7:37] <TechnoZealot_> haha np
[7:38] <Cael> that panic?
[7:38] <Cael> your ext2 FS (the Part of the SD card that holds the pi's OS)
[7:38] <Cael> is hosed
[7:39] <Cael> theres 2 partitions on every image partitiion 1 is a vfat (fat32) partition that holds the pi's FW, the 2nd is the linux partition (ext2) for whatever OS you have.
[7:39] <TechnoZealot_> Can I even fsck that? or is it just fubar?
[7:40] <Cael> should be able to.
[7:40] <Cael> but i'd say youve got a 50/50% chance your fubar
[7:40] <TechnoZealot_> crud... oh well :P
[7:40] <Cael> to shut down the pi always issue a sudo shutdown -h now
[7:40] <Cael> i've seen after that it blinks the power le d(ready to power off) from there you can safely kill the power
[7:41] <TechnoZealot_> Yeah. Occasionally if something screws up I'd power it down by unplugging it
[7:41] <TechnoZealot_> ACtually, that was my main method of powering it down for a while, shamefully XD
[7:41] <TechnoZealot_> I'm surprised it lasted this long
[7:41] <Cael> cant help doing it when it wont respond locally or remotely but whenevery it still can respond use that to shutdown your pi :3
[7:41] <TechnoZealot_> Will do, sir.
[7:42] <TechnoZealot_> Also, what was that you were saying about reducing SD card corrupton in Turbo mode?
[7:42] <Cael> trust me i ran into it the same way myself :3 and thats setting the inital turbo to 60
[7:42] <TechnoZealot_> Ah, thanks!
[7:42] <TechnoZealot_> I also noticed, strangely enough, that QuakeIII will restart the Pi on the start of a game in Turbo mode.
[7:42] <Cael> it forces the pi to boot and stay in turbo mode upto 60 seconds durring boot.
[7:42] <TechnoZealot_> How does that help the Pi?
[7:43] <TechnoZealot_> Just curious.
[7:43] <TechnoZealot_> :P
[7:43] <Cael> mostly it helps with pi's using slower SD Cards
[7:43] <Cael> not really needed if you have an Class10SD but doesnt hurt to be safe (and inital turbo setting doesnt violate the Warrenty either :P)
[7:44] <TechnoZealot_> Do any of the other settings specifically void the warranty?
[7:44] <TechnoZealot_> I couldn't quite understand why Turbo didn't, as it overvoltaged the Pi the most.
[7:45] <Cael> because turbo mode is Dynamic (kicks in when needed)
[7:45] <TechnoZealot_> By settings, I am only referring to the ones suggested within raspi-config
[7:45] <TechnoZealot_> ah ok
[7:45] <Cael> when setting the others manually w/o the turbo mode flag.
[7:45] <Cael> it forces the pi to run at those settinsg 100% of the time as well flags one teeny thing withinself to void the warrenty,
[7:46] <TechnoZealot_> Ah ok.
[7:46] <Cael> (i didnt know that myself on my 256MB pi so i fi ever sell it or give it away i gotta let the person know :P)
[7:46] <Cael> though for now i've been using my 256MB Pi as a novelty thing on bitcoin mining XD
[7:47] <Cael> overclocked in turbo mode its bearly making 1Megahash a second.
[7:47] <TechnoZealot_> whoa! nice!
[7:47] <TechnoZealot_> I had mainly intended to use mine for image processing and robotics
[7:47] <TechnoZealot_> I was specifically wanting to tinker with a thermal sensing robot
[7:47] <Cael> its not nice actually at that it'll take about on the average pool, baout 6 months to reach payout day
[7:48] <TechnoZealot_> haha
[7:48] <TechnoZealot_> How does the mining work?
[7:48] <Cael> for bitcoin mining to turn an effenct profit your best reaching atleast 700+Megahashes a second and quick pay @ 1Gigahashes
[7:48] <Cael> in essence its pretty much like the folding@home project
[7:49] <TechnoZealot_> Ah!
[7:49] <TechnoZealot_> Are you utilizing the onboard GPU?
[7:50] <TechnoZealot_> I heard it's must faster when done with a GPU.
[7:50] <TechnoZealot_> Or something like that.
[7:50] <TechnoZealot_> :P
[7:52] <Cael> at this time even with the opensource gpu binaries we cant use it for gpu mining
[7:52] <Cael> broadcome's being stingey.
[7:52] <Cael> everyone should be lucky they've released what they have sofar.
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[7:53] <Cael> last 4 time si contacted them directly it was pay over 200$ and sign an NDA or no dice.
[7:54] <TechnoZealot_> :o
[7:54] <TechnoZealot_> ouch
[7:56] <Cael> yea
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[7:57] <TechnoZealot_> My friend was telling me about bitcoins a while ago, but I still have some trouble figuring out exactly how bitcoin mining works.
[7:57] <TechnoZealot_> Are you essentially dehashing things in exchange for bitcoins?
[7:57] <Cael> its mining or calculating hashes.
[7:58] <Cael> pretty much
[7:58] <Cael> faster the hashrate the better
[7:58] <Cael> basicly anything into the Gigahash range is perfeered
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[8:00] <TechnoZealot_> Where do the instructions come from, I mean, for bitcoin mining?
[8:01] <TechnoZealot_> or the information you're hashing, or doing stuff to?
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[8:08] <Gallomimia> it's called block discovery
[8:10] <Gallomimia> not exactly sure where the info you're hashing comes from, but it's a shared data pool known as the block chain
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[8:11] <Gallomimia> anyway, it's definitely not relevant to r-pi's cause you'll never ever compete with one of those doing your hashes
[8:11] <Cael> mining with a pi's a pure novelty.
[8:12] <Cael> you can use a FPGA board to do it while the pi run sthe software and crank out about 700MH's
[8:12] <Gallomimia> with that, can i ask what i can do to try getting my volume thru hdmi to be something actually usable
[8:12] <Gallomimia> oh that's not bad. but you still need the fpga
[8:13] <Cael> cant help w/ that i dont have any HDMI enabled tv's or monitors so i've mostly worked on analog tv's
[8:13] <Gallomimia> how much does that cost?
[8:13] <Cael> fpga's can get stupid expensive
[8:13] <Gallomimia> yeah. there's asic's out that are better
[8:13] <Cael> i've seen mining rigs that reach 4.7Gigahashes a second but it costed that person nearly 6 grand
[8:14] <Gallomimia> the asic's are a bit better than that. still, the biggest asic they offer is 25grand
[8:14] <Gallomimia> i think it's like 70GH
[8:14] <Gallomimia> just google for asic bit coint
[8:14] <Gallomimia> -t
[8:14] <Cael> theres an ASIC a friend of mine that runs the pool i'm working on, that was like 120$USD and it was to reach 25GH's
[8:15] <Gallomimia> a hundred and twenty bucks?
[8:15] <Gallomimia> let me buy one
[8:16] <Cael> ok i found links for the one pulling 4.7GHs at same price, and that same company's "Minirig) that runs at 4.5k GH's but for about 30grand)
[8:17] <Gallomimia> terahashes?
[8:17] <Cael> http://www.butterflylabs.com/order-form-bitforce-sc-jalapeno/ & http://www.butterflylabs.com/order-form-bitforce-sc-mini-rig/
[8:17] <Gallomimia> yeah this i saw
[8:17] <Gallomimia> released yet?
[8:17] <Cael> not yet
[8:17] <Cael> wish i had the 120$ that would solve the money prob aftre a month
[8:18] <Gallomimia> i don't have a stable internet connection right now
[8:19] <Gallomimia> or i would order it
[8:19] <Gallomimia> these are the kinds of things i want to hook up to some custom waterchill rigs or something
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[8:32] <TechnoZealot_> [03:30.54] Channel Created on: 12:06 AM 9/1/2011
[8:32] <TechnoZealot_> [03:31.21] <TechnoZealot_> I have a question regarding the USB port firmware for RasPi.
[8:32] <TechnoZealot_> [03:30.54] Channel Created on: 12:06 AM 9/1/2011
[8:32] <TechnoZealot_> [03:31.38] <TechnoZealot_> I read online that RasPI cannot fully interfacce with Kinect due to a USB channel limit.
[8:33] <TechnoZealot_> Is there any hope of this ever being remedied in the future, or is there anything that I could do at the moment to allow me to connect a Kinect to RasPi using OpenNI?
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[8:42] <|Jeroen|> lol playing retro games on the pi using kinect would be sweet
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[9:14] <Gallomimia> so i tried running rpi-update earlier, and it said something about the memsplit being configured somewhere in /boot or something?? how can i change it?
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[9:15] <gnarface> Gallomimia: /boot/config.txt though i think alot of the parameters in there have kernel command-line equivalents
[9:16] <gnarface> Gallomimia: all i know about it i got from here (and guessing): http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[9:16] <Gallomimia> i'm just reading that file now. no memsplit anything in there...
[9:16] <Gallomimia> i'll read that second link
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[9:19] <Gallomimia> holy crap.... forget i asked.
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[9:25] <gnarface> Gallomimia: that file was empty for me... i had to add lines to it. why?
[9:25] <gnarface> Gallomimia: it was really easy actually.
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[9:26] <Gallomimia> whatever it's set at will be just fine then.
[9:26] <gnarface> Gallomimia: its not *only* for configuring the memory split; mine was empty though and the default according to those docs is like 16MB static; way too low
[9:27] <Gallomimia> mine has a ton of commented lines in it
[9:27] <Gallomimia> but essentially empty
[9:28] <Gallomimia> i'm not using the gpu for anything so, i'd rather steal its ram since i'm running out
[9:29] <gnarface> can you paste yours? i wanted to see a copy of what its supposed to look like by default. still trying to figure out why mine came empty
[9:29] <gnarface> sorry don't paste it i mean; pastebin it obviously
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[9:42] <Gallomimia> gnarface, http://pastebin.ca/2298284
[9:42] <gnarface> Gallomimia: thanks
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[10:30] <erdnussradio> wiiguy: yeah I prefer just installing an stable version of xbmc inside raspbian but i think i will switch to archlinuxARM. Because it seems very stupid to me that ssh is started after xbmc so that i cant access the pi when xbmc fails to start... -.
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[10:36] <erdnussradio> Does anyone know where raspbian starts the ssh server automatically? Bcause I want to start ssh earlier than xbmc.
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[10:42] <plugwash> It will be started by /etc/init.d/ssh but i'm not entirely sure how that gets called nowadays
[10:42] <erdnussradio> i will try /etc/rc2.d
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[11:18] <Gallomimia> yeah there should be priorities in etc/init.d/
[11:31] <ral> erdnussradio: /etc/rc?.d refer to different run levels.
[11:31] <ral> You can change the priority within a run level though.
[11:32] <erdnussradio> ral: yeah i tried to give ssh a lower number than xbmc.
[11:32] <ral> That should work.
[11:32] <ral> You can use update-rc.d to do the work for you.
[11:33] <erdnussradio> ok. i will look that up.
[11:33] <ral> Something like "update-rc.d ssh defaults NN", where NN is the start/stop priority.
[11:33] <ral> Which should be lower than xbmc.
[11:33] <erdnussradio> But first i will reinstall raspbian. Is there a way I can do that without usbkeyboard and with a 2gb sd card?
[11:33] <erdnussradio> ral: i did it manually :)
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[11:34] <ral> erdnussradio: That's fine as well of course :)
[11:35] <erdnussradio> because this installation is from the person i bought the pi from and i dont know what he did with it. so i want to make a clean install.
[11:35] <ral> I like tools that minimise the chance of me having done something wrong/missed something though.
[11:37] <erdnussradio> yes thats true.
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[12:12] <gnarface> erdnussradio: with 2GB SD card is no problem at all but i think you will need a usb keyboard (or an adapter)
[12:14] <erdnussradio> gnarface: k thanks. i found an image that fits 2gb and will try it. :)
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[12:53] <j3zz3r> has anyone got a live usb nix diststro image for the pi ?
[12:53] <j3zz3r> i tried making my own & changing cmdline.txt to the right usb partition but it failed :(
[12:54] <j3zz3r> was with damn small linux
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[14:20] <j3zz3r> no takers ?
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[14:22] <j3zz3r> what if i deploy the raspbian img to a usb stick ? then insert the sd card after boot
[14:22] <j3zz3r> if that will even work
[14:23] <j3zz3r> there must be a way to boot to a live enviroment with my normal raspbian build sitting on the sd card in the pi
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[14:39] <atouk> j3zz3r, yes, you can have your rootfs on a usb stick or hard drive
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[16:39] <j3zz3r> atouk: so if i copy the contents of rootfs to a primary partition, make it bootable & keep the fs type the same as rootfs i will be able to boot raspbian & not have mmcblkp02 mounted ?
[16:39] <j3zz3r> *onto a usb stick
[16:47] <atouk> in /boot/cmdline.txt change root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 to root=/dev/sda2
[16:47] <atouk> once it boots from the sd, everythign after that will happen on the usb device
[16:48] <atouk> (change to sda2 or whatever is appropriate for your system)
[16:49] <atouk> i didn't copy, i used the image on an external usb hd, and then used another machine with gparted to expand the filesystem on it
[16:50] <j3zz3r> hmm k i trie simular eailer but think it liked the boot partition
[16:50] <j3zz3r> but thanks
[16:50] <j3zz3r> was with DamnSmallLinux
[16:50] <atouk> the sd still has to stay in the pi for boot
[16:51] <j3zz3r> hopefully will have some luck having rootfs on the usb
[16:51] <j3zz3r> yes thanks
[16:52] <j3zz3r> i guess ez'est way would be a usb optical drive with raspbian img on it
[16:52] <j3zz3r> dont have one handy tho
[16:54] <j3zz3r> i was playing with live OS's on my laptop but they couldnt see my mmc card for some randon reason
[16:54] <j3zz3r> mmc card reader
[16:56] <atouk> i used win32diskimager to make the sd and the usb hd, and then ubunto on a laptop to expand the filesystem on teh drive
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[16:56] <j3zz3r> k
[16:57] <j3zz3r> if i had a large enough usb stick or hd handy i do the same
[16:57] <atouk> i have the original cmdline text as cmdline.sd, and an edited one as cmdline.usb, and just copy whichever one i need to cmdline.txt and reboot
[16:57] <j3zz3r> yah
[16:58] <atouk> could do it with a script, but i'm lazy and dont' need to change it much
[16:58] <j3zz3r> aye
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[16:59] <Disconnect> fwiw that is what I do on my server-style pi. oc to 1ghz (warranty intact mode) and don't even mount /boot. then no corruption, but i have to pull the card to update firmware/etc
[17:01] <atouk> pull card? just leave it with it mounted. once boot happens, nothing eles goes to /boot unless you do it
[17:01] <Disconnect> if it is mounted you can get corruption anyway. or so its been reported.
[17:01] <atouk> i haven't pulled my sd out in probobly 2 months. overclock and no corruption
[17:01] <Disconnect> i prefer my psuedo-servers to boot successfully when i issue a remote shutdown :)
[17:02] <Disconnect> core_freq at/above 400?
[17:02] <vagrantc> ok, sucessful kernel build, let's see if it runs...
[17:03] <j3zz3r> arugh i just found a 2gb usb stick
[17:03] <j3zz3r> hopefully this will now be a quicker / smoother process
[17:04] <vagrantc> or not... ugh.
[17:05] <atouk> core at 500
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[17:08] <vagrantc> the qemu-based build seemed to succeed, but the packages are empty ... hrmpf.
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[17:20] * plugwash recalls spending quite some time battling the packaing when he did it :(
[17:20] <plugwash> you might want to look at the package in the raspbian repos and compare it to what you have done to see if you missed something
[17:22] <vagrantc> plugwash: i'm pretty sure it was something weird with my build environment
[17:22] <vagrantc> plugwash: the package in the raspbian repos has all the debian patches disabled, if i recall correctly
[17:23] <vagrantc> the native build succeeded :)
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[17:24] <vagrantc> i've also split out the rpi-specific patches into one patch per commit, which is still ugly, but at least if only a particular patch fails, it's easier to identify where to look.
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[17:26] <vagrantc> though i still have yet to test that it boots...
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[17:30] <plugwash> OOI how did you split them out?
[17:30] <plugwash> some kind of script?
[17:30] <vagrantc> yeah, i just scripted a dump from git
[17:31] <vagrantc> source package here: http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/debian/pool/main/l/linux
[17:31] <vagrantc> which is the .orig.tar.xz from debian wheezy, and the .debian.tar.xz based from wheezy plus my patches
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[17:40] <neure> hi
[17:40] <neure> can i update my raspbian without needing to attach screen?
[17:49] <vagrantc> yay! it boots! boo, no keyboard or ethernet...
[17:55] <Maxa> doesnt Raspbian start sshd automatically on boot? connect by ssh
[17:55] <neure> i hope so..
[17:55] <vagrantc> i built a basic install manually... but i could probably add that. hmmm.
[17:55] <neure> i've got a working raspbian but it is like more than 200 days old
[17:56] <neure> so I kind of want to update it
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[17:59] * vagrantc must have missed keyboard/ethernet support somehow
[18:00] <vagrantc> plugwash: otherwise it seems to be working :)
[18:00] <neure> is your usb working?
[18:00] <vagrantc> no way to verify at this point.
[18:00] <vagrantc> i could edit the image directly and see if manually loading modules would work.
[18:05] <vagrantc> with a 6+ hour build cycle... enabling features one at a time is... wearysome :)
[18:10] * vagrantc wonders what I2C devices are...
[18:11] <plugwash> devices that connect over I2C of course ;)
[18:18] <vagrantc> i think my hack to workaround the failed build may have effectively disabled usb...
[18:18] * vagrantc hacks the opposite direction
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[18:19] <vagrantc> there are probably a lot of modules it's building that are never going to be useful... would save a lot of time to leave those out... but which ones...
[18:21] <plugwash> mmm, i'd think it would be pretty similar to most other arm systems
[18:21] <plugwash> you would want drivers for USB stuff but not for PCI/ISA stuff
[18:24] <vagrantc> yes, that's what i'd guess too, just knowing which CONFIG_* are which is what is unclear to me
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[18:39] <vagrantc> is the rpi ethernet on a usb bus?
[18:42] <sney> yes
[18:42] <plugwash> specifically it's on a SMSC LAN9512 USB hub with ethernet chip
[18:42] <plugwash> as are the two USB ports
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[18:45] <kais58> Maxa: the official image starts sshd, but not raspbians own one, I think
[18:47] <vagrantc> anyone recognize CONFIG_USB_DWCOTG=y ? that's different in the upstream config and this one.
[18:48] <Maxa> I used the Raspbian image from raspberry.org and I only connect by ssh. Ive never had any keyboards or display installed
[18:50] * plugwash is pretty sure that is the driver for the USB controller on the Pi
[18:51] <vagrantc> ok, that's promising...
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[18:53] <plugwash> Maxa, ssh isn't going to help him much without ethernet........
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[18:54] <Maxa> I think mine was in response to something said 1 hour ago. oh and it's raspberrypi.org
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[19:10] <PredaGR> hello people, think udev is broken on the raspbian
[19:10] <neure> you think?
[19:11] <PredaGR> I am half newbie, could be something I am doing wrong, but /lib/udev/write_net_rules does not write the net rules
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[20:37] <Essobi> Happy New years eve.
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[20:37] <j3zz3r> HNY
[20:38] <j3zz3r> hmm my lsblk says my root partition is 14.8 GB but df says its 1.8 GB
[20:38] <Essobi> j3zz3r: Dud you expand the partition yet?
[20:39] <Essobi> *did
[20:39] <j3zz3r> iv not touched the ext4 fs stuffs
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[20:39] <Essobi> You just installed?
[20:39] <j3zz3r> no
[20:39] <j3zz3r> trying to expand it tho
[20:39] <Essobi> ... recently?
[20:39] <Essobi> Oh, okay.
[20:39] <Essobi> :D
[20:39] <j3zz3r> ish
[20:39] <j3zz3r> im missing a step here im sure
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[20:41] <j3zz3r> any ideas Essobi ?
[20:43] <j3zz3r> lsblk wasnt saying a different size until i tried to expand it
[20:44] <Essobi> Not off hand..
[20:44] <j3zz3r> k
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[21:24] <kyle__> Hello
[21:25] <kyle__> raspbian uses FB for X right? Is there a native X driver that can be switched to? Even if it's not 100% stable or done yet?
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[22:10] <- *XenGi* Sry I'm currently not present but you can leave me a message and I will probably respond to it.
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[22:13] <vagrantc> plugwash: alright, i've got a working setup.
[22:14] <vagrantc> well, at least it builds a working kernel, haven't yet finished out the build.
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[22:35] <vagrantc> alright, a full debian source package: http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/debian/pool/main/l/linux/
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[23:49] -mquin- [Global Notice] As we are approaching midnight fST (UTC), we'd like again to wish you all a happy new year 2013 and invite you to join us in #freenode-newyears
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