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[0:02] <vagrantc> plugwash: if you could post the .dsc somewhere, i can give it a whirl.
[0:03] <vagrantc> plugwash: and .debian.tar.xz
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[0:07] <plugwash> btw did you get my email?
[0:10] <vagrantc> yeah, i got a couple.
[0:10] <vagrantc> gotta head for the moment
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[1:13] <sheldor> hey when i do sudo apt-get remove apache2 it says "Package 'apache2' is not installed, so not removed" which is clearly wrong because i installed it with sudo apt-get install apache2
[1:13] <sheldor> any idea why??
[1:14] <sheldor> i cannot remove apache
[1:15] <plugwash> could be dpkg database corruption :(
[1:15] <sheldor> how would that happen
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[1:15] <plugwash> most likely a result of problems with the SD card interface
[1:15] <sheldor> ??
[1:16] <sheldor> huh
[1:16] <plugwash> corruption on the SD card seems to have been an endemic problem on the Pi :(
[1:16] <sheldor> that is entirely unlikely because i experience no other problems whatsoever
[1:16] <sheldor> i would have noticed otherwise already
[1:17] <plugwash> also note that the package "apache2" is just a "dependency package"
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[1:18] <plugwash> the server itself is split between the apache2.2-common and apache2-mpm-* packages
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[1:19] <sheldor> interesting, when i ran dpkg -l
[1:19] <sheldor> i only found apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-utils, apache2.2-bin, apache2.2-common
[1:19] <sheldor> no apache2
[1:19] <sheldor> that seems more likely the reason doesnt it plugwash
[1:20] <sheldor> but then why do i install it via "apt-get install apache2"?
[1:20] <sheldor> you should be able to uninstall stuff by the same name as you install it
[1:20] <sheldor> this is a flaw in the package manager
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[1:21] <plugwash> if you did apt-get install apache2 then unless you removed it or had database corruption you should have an apache2 package installed
[1:21] <sheldor> plugwash: no, apparently there are virtual packages
[1:21] <plugwash> there are but apache2 isn't one
[1:22] <sheldor> and possibly while installing it said "no apache2, but installing x, y, z" etc
[1:22] <sheldor> i dont have the installation logs though
[1:22] <sheldor> doesnt change the fact that the package manger should handle it
[1:22] <plugwash> apache2 is a real package, just one that doesn't contain anything directly only has dependencies
[1:22] <sheldor> ah
[1:23] <sheldor> plugwash: what is the difference between a pure dependency package and a virtual package
[1:23] <plugwash> and when you remove apache2 those dependencies should be listed among the packages that are "automatically installed but no longer used"
[1:23] <sheldor> plugwash: maybe it is a bug in raspbian?
[1:24] <sheldor> as i said i experience no sd corruption problems what so ever and what is the probability for it only occuring during apache2 uninstall (new card btw)
[1:26] <sheldor> plugwash: and yes i did apt-get remove apache2 before
[1:26] <sheldor> then i rebooted
[1:26] <sheldor> and noticed apache was still there, running, binding to port 80
[1:26] <sheldor> so i tried apt-get remove apache2 again
[1:26] <sheldor> and got the error
[1:26] <sheldor> so i came here
[1:29] <plugwash> <sheldor> plugwash: what is the difference between a pure dependency package and a virtual package <-- a "pure dependency package" actually exists, it can be installed, removed, upgraded etc like any other real package, it can depend on multiple packages like any other real package and it's dependencies can change over time like any other real package
[1:31] <plugwash> OTOH a "virtual package" isn't really a package at all, it's just a name specified in "provides" and "depends" headers in other packages (and the package lists generated from them)
[1:32] <sheldor> i see plugwash
[1:33] <sheldor> plugwash: is it possible that the first 'apt-get remove apache2' only removed the dependency package but not the actual meat and therefore i now get the error AND stuff is still there, running?
[1:35] <plugwash> that does sound like it is almost certainly what happened
[1:35] <sheldor> plugwash: but isnt this a bug in the package management of raspbian/debian?
[1:36] <plugwash> Depends on your definition of bug, not removing dependencies that were installed automatically when nothing depends on them any more can lead to surprising behaviours but so can doing the opposite
[1:37] <sheldor> hm but seriously, wouldnt a user expect that if you do "apt-get remove apache2" that apache doesnt return after boot binding to port 80 as if nothing ever happened??
[1:39] <plugwash> right, it's not an ideal behaviour
[1:39] <sheldor> its not like apache2-bin is some kind of generic package used by all kinds of stuff
[1:39] <sheldor> the dependencies are all pretty apache2 specific
[1:39] <plugwash> but neither is a situation where someone removes some gnome app, ends up removing the gnome metapackage because of it and then ends up automatically removing all the rest of gnome
[1:40] <sheldor> fair point
[1:40] <plugwash> In any case these design descisions are made by debian not by us
[1:41] <sheldor> plugwash: so sudo apt-get remove apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common should take care of it or will there be other remnants left running and possibly binding to ports or otherwise interfering with nginx?
[1:41] <sheldor> i see
[1:41] <sheldor> i am trying to remove apache to run nginx
[1:42] <sheldor> are there any other packages not prefixed with "apache2"?
[1:43] <plugwash> I'm pretty sure that list will remove all the apache programs (some libraries may be left, of course some apache libraries are used by things unrelated to apache)
[1:43] * plugwash notes he has a debian system that is running both apache and nginx at the same time
[1:44] <sheldor> damn maybe i shouldnt have removed apache2-common?
[1:44] <sheldor> i already did as we talk
[1:44] <sheldor> plugwash: actually i asked before whether this is possible and both #raspbian and #nginx told me i should never do it
[1:44] <sheldor> because especially on debian based systems both packages are known to conflict
[1:45] <plugwash> Obviously you have to configure them so they don't try and bind on conflicting address/port combinations
[1:46] <plugwash> but other than that I haven't noticed any problems
[1:46] <sheldor> sure, i didnt even plan to run them at the same time
[1:47] <sheldor> they said the mere presence of both packages at the same time causes conflicts because of some debian package httpd classing requirements
[1:47] <plugwash> did they provide any sources for those claims?
[1:47] <sheldor> no but i talked to the nginx ubuntu package maintainer
[1:48] <sheldor> and he said i shuold talk to some debian dev named MTecknolgy
[1:48] <sheldor> to complain
[1:48] <sheldor> MTecknology*
[1:51] <sheldor> wow nginx is so much faster than apache
[1:51] <plugwash> did he provide any sources for his claims or descriptions of what the problem was? a quick googling isn't turning anything up
[1:51] <sheldor> remarkable
[1:53] <plugwash> mirrordirector.raspbian.org is apache while archive.raspbian.org and www.raspbian.org are nginx, both are running on the same machine (bound to different IP addresses) with no apparent problems
[1:55] <sheldor> plugwash: http://pastebin.com/unbvt33K
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[1:57] <sheldor> plugwash: but they are not running on a raspi right? :D
[1:59] <plugwash> no but they WERE both installed from debian packages.
[2:00] <plugwash> "<TheLordOfTime> in that if two packages both provide 'httpd' in accordance with the policy ("web server"), it will conflict them" this is completely wrong, two packages can provide the same virtual package without conflicting
[2:01] <sheldor> hm
[2:01] <sheldor> okay
[2:03] * plugwash wonders if he was confusing httpd's with MTAs
[2:03] <plugwash> MTAs are required to conflict because they are required to provide binaries with certain standard names that would conflict with each other
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[2:06] <cerjam> anyone ever repaired a flex ribbon cable?
[2:09] <plugwash> I can confirm there are no conflicts declared by the apache2 and nginx packages in raspbian wheezy
[2:09] <plugwash> and I've just confirmed the same applies to ubuntu raring
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[2:24] <sheldor> okay thanks plugwash
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[2:32] <sheldor> plugwash: service --status-all still shows [+] apache2
[2:32] <sheldor> rofl
[2:32] <sheldor> i removed apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common
[2:32] <sheldor> and it is apparently still there, running
[2:32] <sheldor> haha
[2:32] <sheldor> at least nginx responds on port 80
[2:33] * plugwash thought "service" was a ubuntuism
[2:33] <sheldor> no debianism
[2:40] <PhotoJim> yup. and it's in Linux Mint too.
[2:46] * plugwash mostly saw it appearing as an idiom in ubuntu tutorials after ubuntu started using upstart
[2:46] <plugwash> but it does indeed appear debian has it too
[2:47] <plugwash> still it seems strange to me that removing apache2 wouldn't stop it.......
[2:47] <plugwash> maybe that is a bug (though whether anyone will care is another matter)
[2:47] <vagrantc> debian adopted it, but i first recall hearing about service in redhat
[2:47] <vagrantc> in 2001 or so
[2:47] <plugwash> ahh redhat..........
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[4:32] <Blacklite_> hey guys.
[4:33] <Blacklite_> just got my raspberry pi in the mail tonight. gonna play with it tomorrow. SO EXCITED!!
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[4:33] <Blacklite_> is there anyone here?
[4:35] <vagrantc> slightly
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[4:41] <Blacklite_> slightly?
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[5:32] <zezba9000> hi im trying to link to '/opt/vs/lib/libEGL.so' via C# DllImport (the equivalent of dlopen in c). Its not finding the library and idk why as it can find 'libbcm_host.so'
[5:34] <zezba9000> I tried setting symbolic links like xbmc does from here: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[5:34] <zezba9000> then I called 'lbconfig'
[5:34] <zezba9000> still no luck
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[7:23] <sheldor> why are there separate expires and cache-control headers in http? seems redundant
[7:24] <sheldor> Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT rofl wtf
[7:25] <sheldor> and cache-control: cache
[7:25] <sheldor> contradictory
[7:29] <sheldor> found it, i had to set session.cache_limiter = cache or no value in php.ini
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[8:03] <linelevel> Hi everyone. The instructions for writing Raspbian to my SD card are for Windows. What program should I use to do this from Ubuntu?
[8:04] <maswan> cp should work fine
[8:05] <maswan> dd too
[8:05] <maswan> the tricky part is figuring out which device name the SD card turns up as
[8:06] <linelevel> That I can do
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[8:07] <linelevel> but I don't think juts copying the file to the SD card is enough to make it bootable. Am I wrong?
[8:07] <linelevel> just*
[8:07] <linelevel> Oh, dd would work
[8:07] <linelevel> How would cp work though? I would need to mount the image?
[8:09] <maswan> just the same as dd, to the device name of it unmounted
[8:12] <maswan> but yeah, you can just use dd too, just takes a bit more typing for if= of=
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[11:39] <gnarface> so, anyone else compile quake3 for raspbian?
[11:39] <gnarface> i got significantly improved framerates over the stock ioquake3 package but i think it could still be better
[11:40] <gnarface> anyone got first-hand suggestions ?
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[16:03] <plugwash> vagrantc, I got the kernel package to build successfully and your hack patch turned out not to be needed :)
[16:06] <vagrantc> plugwash: great!
[16:07] <vagrantc> plugwash: confident enough to push to the archive?
[16:07] * plugwash has been musing that
[16:07] <plugwash> on the one hand I haven't actually tested the kernel in question yet
[16:08] <plugwash> on the other hand the kernel that is currently in the archive is basically unusable so it's difficult to make things worse
[16:08] <vagrantc> there's no staging area for raspbian correlary to sid?
[16:09] <vagrantc> upload it somewhere, and I'd be happy to test, of course
[16:10] <plugwash> well there is a staging area but it's only used for version consistency and crude depenency checks
[16:10] <plugwash> it doesn't have any delay enforcement or bug tracker integration
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[16:19] <vagrantc> plugwash: well, if there's anything more i can do to help, let me know, i'm eagre to see it in the repository :)
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[16:34] <plugwash> I gtg, the kernel is in the process of being uploaded to http://plugwash.raspbian.org/kernel/ but I'm not sure how long it will take to complete
[16:40] <vagrantc> plugwash: ok, thanks!
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[17:48] <iceroot> hi
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[18:49] <flo|va-nu-pied> hi all
[18:50] <flo|va-nu-pied> I would like to install lirc_rpi
[18:50] <flo|va-nu-pied> do I need to download all the kernel source stuff in order to apply the patch and package it again ?
[18:50] <flo|va-nu-pied> http://aron.ws/projects/lirc_rpi/
[18:52] <flo|va-nu-pied> I was about to follow this tutorial www.isalo.org/wiki.debian-fr/index.php?title=Compiler_et_patcher_son_noyau
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[19:43] <Vegar> are there any clever methods to detect whether a script is running on a pi or not?
[19:47] <Holden> do you know the name of the script?
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[20:17] <nickoe> hello
[20:17] <nickoe> have anyone experinced that a USB keyboard works very bad?
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[20:18] <nickoe> I got an old apple USB keyboard (the only one I have) and it is kind of jamming with some random keys, quite frequently, not a single or a few buttions
[20:19] <nickoe> Now I am writing on this computer and it does not behave like that.
[20:19] <nickoe> I can at least write some sentences without it @jamming@
[20:19] <nickoe> it was not a problem with the default keymap
[20:20] <nickoe> so how can I reset it_
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[20:29] <Gallomimia> vegar still here?
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[20:31] <Gallomimia> nickoe i get that sometimes on mine. i found it is power problems
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[20:38] <nickoe> ahh, Gallomimia ok, was just thinking it could be
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[21:20] <Vegar> Gallomimia: sup?
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[21:24] <Gallomimia> what are you trying to find out with scripts vegar?
[21:25] <Vegar> Gallomimia: I'm just looking for a way to detect whether I am on a pi or not
[21:25] <Gallomimia> is your computer the size of a credit card?
[21:25] <Gallomimia> uname -a might help you
[21:27] <Gallomimia> mine tells me a variable which is set as raspberrypi. it's not very clever to rely upon that. uname -m says armv61 which is a pretty safe bet you're on a pi or similar device
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[21:50] <j_dulaney> So, I am trying to run my Rasp Pi entirely headless
[21:51] <j_dulaney> As in, I do not own a keyboard or monitor (or TV)
[21:51] <atouk> install putty on pc and ssh in
[21:51] <j_dulaney> nmap says port 22 is closed
[21:52] <atouk> raspbian?
[21:52] <j_dulaney> Indeed
[21:52] <atouk> enable ssh with raspi-config
[21:52] <j_dulaney> I don't have a keyboard
[21:53] <atouk> should be enabled by default
[21:53] <j_dulaney> Well, it isn't
[21:55] <j_dulaney> I dded the latest image to the SD card and manually expanded the ext4 partition using parted and resize2fs
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[21:55] <atouk> firewall blocking it?
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[22:12] <plugwash> ok i'm back
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[22:17] <iceroot> the raspbian repos are synced debian repos? or are they complety different? i cant find sabnzbplusd on http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian wheezy main
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[22:19] <iceroot> also, xbmc cant be installed because of broken dependencies (default raspbian installation)
[22:20] <iceroot> or missing dependencies, are there more repos i need instead of the main wheezy repo from raspbian? can i put in there the normal debian hweezy repos too? or should i not mix debian and raspbian repos?
[22:21] <plugwash> DO NOT use normal debian wheezy repos in a raspbian install running on a raspberry Pi
[22:21] <plugwash> that can be a very quick route to a SERIOUSLY broken system
[22:21] <Vegar> iceroot: the package name is sabnzbdplus
[22:22] <iceroot> Vegar: root@raspbian:/home/michael# apt-cache search sabnzbdplus
[22:22] <iceroot> root@raspbian:/home/michael#
[22:22] <iceroot> Vegar: its not in the repo which is enabled by default
[22:22] <Vegar> iceroot: vegar@pi ~ $ apt-cache search sabnzbdplus
[22:22] <Vegar> sabnzbdplus - web-based binary newsgrabber with nzb support
[22:22] <iceroot> Vegar: apt-cache policy sabnzbdplus
[22:22] <plugwash> As for xbmc the debian package for it failed to build and there is not much point trying to fix said build because a generic xbmc is going to be pretty useless on the Pi
[22:22] <Vegar> iceroot: http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/
[22:23] <Vegar> http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/contrib armhf
[22:24] <plugwash> we import source packages and arch all packages from debian into raspbian and then builds the architecture specific packages ourselves (with the compiler defaults changed to produce code compatible with the CPU on the Pi)
[22:24] <iceroot> Vegar: ah ok i was missing that, just had deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian wheezy main after the default installation
[22:24] <Vegar> iceroot: that's odd
[22:24] <Vegar> I have main contrib non-free rpi
[22:27] <iceroot> plugwash: i thought i can rebuild every package on armv-6 when i have the source-package but as it seems not all packages can be rebuild von armv-6
[22:27] <iceroot> plugwash: like xbmc
[22:28] <plugwash> some packages require some tweaking before they will build and as I said I see no point doing that for the debian xbmc package because a generic xbmc is going to be pretty useless on the Pi
[22:29] <plugwash> Afaict for a usable xbmc you need a Pi specific build against the videocore libraries
[22:29] <iceroot> plugwash: ah ok, now i understand the reason :) thank you
[22:30] <iceroot> plugwash: i was wondering because most of the guides compiled a xbmc and normally i try to avoid make and use apt-get instead.
[22:30] <iceroot> is there something like a ppa (as on ubuntu) with prebuild packages? so that i dont have to compile it by myself and get security updates via apt-get
[22:31] <plugwash> I know some people have built unoffical packages but I dunno if they have put them in any form of repository or not
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[22:36] <iceroot> Vegar: thank you for the info about the sources.list. after adding the entries to it i have my sabnzbplusd result now :)
[22:36] <Vegar> iceroot: no problem
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[22:36] <j_dulaney> Interwebz died
[22:37] <j_dulaney> Anyway, I still have had no success in sshing into the Raspberry Pi
[22:41] <Gallomimia> did you install openssh-server ?
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[22:42] <j_dulaney> Gallomimia: I don't have a keyboard or monitor
[22:42] * j_dulaney just mounted the SD card
[22:42] <j_dulaney> I'll look and see if it's in /usr/bin
[22:42] <Gallomimia> mine came without that installed by default so
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[22:43] <Gallomimia> you should look in /usr/sbin instead
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[22:44] <j_dulaney> sshd is in /usr/sbin
[22:44] <Gallomimia> i must admit i'm at a bit of a loss as to why you'd want to run or even buy a pi without a keyboard or monitor at the ready
[22:45] <j_dulaney> Gallomimia: It was given to me
[22:45] <Gallomimia> oh cool
[22:45] <j_dulaney> Gallomimia: I figure I could just ssh in and use it that way
[22:45] <j_dulaney> I have a totally headless application in mind for it.
[22:45] <Gallomimia> is it transmission?
[22:46] <j_dulaney> No
[22:46] <j_dulaney> Signal system for model railroad
[22:46] <Gallomimia> ohhhh coooooool!
[22:46] <Gallomimia> well, i'm trying to remember how to check if sshd starts on boot for you
[22:47] <Gallomimia> oh /etc/rc.*
[22:47] <Gallomimia> what runlevel am i at :/
[22:47] <Gallomimia> TWO!?
[22:47] <Gallomimia> that's weird
[22:49] <plugwash> Hexxeh, btw the chromium segfault seems to be a linker issue
[22:49] <Hexxeh> oh?
[22:49] <plugwash> I rebuilt the package in debian armhf with bfd instead of gold and it went away
[22:50] <plugwash> i'm about to try the same with raspbian (though it will be a few days before I know the answer)
[22:50] <Hexxeh> interesting
[22:50] <Hexxeh> bfd uses a lot more memory and is slower though iirc?
[22:51] <plugwash> yes using bfd means more hours of grinding swap
[22:51] <plugwash> but that is better than a package that doesn't work
[22:51] <j_dulaney> Gah
[22:51] <j_dulaney> simlinks to the ssh init script are in all the rc.* folders
[22:51] <Gallomimia> so check /etc/rc2.d
[22:52] * j_dulaney did
[22:52] <j_dulaney> It's there
[22:52] <Gallomimia> odd
[22:52] <Gallomimia> next i suggest looking at the /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[22:53] <Gallomimia> if/when you get the signals working i suggest you post videos
[22:53] <Gallomimia> i'd love to see a railroad runing ala pi
[22:55] <j_dulaney> Indeed
[22:56] <j_dulaney> Well, it's set to listen on Port 22
[22:56] <twolife> plugwash: did you tweak the build/makefile of chomium a little bit ? to get qtwebkit to build i had to remove the '-g' from gcc option in the makefiles to produce smaller obj file. it was failling to link if the files were too big
[22:56] <j_dulaney> But, when I run nmap from another box port 22 is not open
[22:57] <plugwash> twolife, while I guess disabling debug is a possibility i'm not sure it's a good idea
[22:57] <plugwash> sometimes one does want to be able to debug stuff
[22:58] * plugwash took a different approach and ordered an odriod u2 to build on, it hasn't arrived yet though
[22:58] <plugwash> so i'm still building on the imx53 at the moment
[22:58] <twolife> plugwash: it's stripped anyway via dh_strip so...
[22:58] <plugwash> at least for chromium the debug symbols are not thrown away, they are packaged in a seperate debug package
[22:59] <plugwash> dunno if the same is true for qtwebkit
[23:00] <j_dulaney> Welp, nmap is still showing p22 closed
[23:00] * j_dulaney is borderline ready to give up on doing this headless
[23:00] <plugwash> looks like qtwebkit doesn't have a debug package indeed
[23:02] <twolife> plugwash: i did create my qt5 packages from scratch & i had no need for -db packages in my use case
[23:02] <twolife> *-dbg*
[23:03] <twolife> but if you ran into troubles, that may be a "last resort option" ;)
[23:04] <plugwash> what were you building on?
[23:04] <twolife> crosscompile amd64 -> arm
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[23:10] <twolife> pleia2: what... but... those odriod u2 are really small ^^ are they supposed to be faster than thoses good old imx53 ?
[23:10] <twolife> s/pleia2/plugwash
[23:10] <twolife> (sorry)
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[23:12] <plugwash> CPU and ram wise the odriod u2 is much better than the imx53qsb
[23:12] <twolife> no ide/sata :/
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[23:12] <Gallomimia> i was going to suggest that actually j_dulaney. you might as well visit someone with a TV and a usb keyboard, and a mouse would help too.
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[23:13] <plugwash> twolife, yeah no SATA and USB based ethernet are the main points against the board
[23:13] <plugwash> unfortunately there isn't really much choice in arm boards with 2GB of ram at the moment
[23:14] <j_dulaney> Gallomimia: I'd buy a USB keyboard, but I'm broke
[23:14] <Gallomimia> yeah i know that feeling :/
[23:14] <Gallomimia> what amazes me is that you have a keyboard which you're typing on right now and it's not USB\
[23:15] <Gallomimia> haven't seen one of those in quite a while
[23:15] * twolife is now known as twolife`
[23:16] <j_dulaney> Gallomimia: It's called a laptop
[23:16] <Gallomimia> oh hehe
[23:16] <Gallomimia> didn't think of that ;)
[23:17] <j_dulaney> For shits and giggles, I'm nmaping the coffee shop
[23:17] <j_dulaney> Apple boxes really have a crap ton of open ports
[23:18] <Gallomimia> anyway yeah. my initial raspbian install had no sshd running/installed by default. fortunately i have a bucket full of wires and keyboards and an hdtv so had no issues getting it installed
[23:18] <Gallomimia> yes they do
[23:18] <Gallomimia> most are pretty secure tho.
[23:18] <Gallomimia> i remember when i was in university our dorm lan was the most insecure thing on the face of the planet
[23:19] <Gallomimia> i installed ettercap but didn't much need that. the whole lan is unswitched.
[23:19] <Gallomimia> was able to capture student's logins and passwords by listening for email checking
[23:20] <Gallomimia> which would by default match a password for some ssh accounts down in the school itself. if only id had the wherewithall to know what to do with that at the time
[23:23] <j_dulaney> It would seem that iPhones run httpd
[23:23] <j_dulaney> I wonder who Carl is
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[23:25] <j_dulaney> Someone else is running a Linux box
[23:25] <j_dulaney> Or, it may be an Android or other phone OS
[23:25] <j_dulaney> The router is running Linux
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