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[2:08] <sheldor> i noticed that raspbian seems to instantly disable wifi as soon as ethernet is plugged in
[2:08] <sheldor> it doesnt randomly drop and connect back
[2:08] <sheldor> it simply shuts off
[2:09] <sheldor> is this expected and defined raspbian behavior or some power issue or something? (nonrandomness seems to contradict power issue)
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[2:21] <plugwash> I don't use wifi itself but I have noticed issues where the Pi didn't seem to detect that ethernet has been unplugged and replugged
[2:22] <plugwash> I never investigated them in detail though
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[7:15] <sheldor> is there any way to change the console colors like CYAN, RED, BLUE, ETC in linux? like put actual rgb colors instead
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[7:21] <TheBrayn> with or without X?
[7:22] <Radix-wrk> of course
[7:22] <Radix-wrk> using curses
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[7:24] <Radix-wrk> "\033\[01;32mGreen\033\[0m" will do green
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[7:30] <Radix-wrk> I have a script that does a nice red/green raspberry pi in a motd if you are interested sheldor
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[7:33] <Radix-wrk> http://pastebin.com/54DSjE65
[7:38] <Radix-wrk> produces a motd like - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1657975/pi-motd.jpg
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[7:45] <sheldor> Radix-wrk: duuude that is exactly what i wanted to do
[7:45] <sheldor> let me try that
[7:45] <sheldor> what is a motd?
[7:46] <sheldor> haHA NICE Radix-wrk
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[8:40] <Radix-wrk> motd=message of the day
[8:41] <Radix-wrk> typically appears when you log in for the first time
[8:46] <Radix-wrk> sheldor: glad I could help.. don't credit me much though, I got it from the raspberry pi forums a little while back and someone else came up with the design (though I did fix a couple of typos in it)
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[9:12] <sheldor> Radix-wrk: nice thanks
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[10:12] <drgr33n> Hey guys, not having much luck with my PI and raspbian. I think my overclock keeps corrupting the MMC because I have to keep restoring from a backup.
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[10:14] <drgr33n> After about 24 hours use I'm getting errors with my filesystem and raspbian is complaining about missing symbols etc. Can i just ask if maybe a USB stick would perform more stable under load ?
[10:15] <gnarface> i can't help you drgr33n but i'm curious what filesystem you're using
[10:15] <drgr33n> ext4
[10:15] <andyandyandy> and is it really a MMC?
[10:15] <drgr33n> ?
[10:16] <andyandyandy> not a SD-Memory-Card?
[10:16] <andyandyandy> MMC is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard
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[10:17] <andyandyandy> and do you have also problems without overclocking?
[10:18] <drgr33n> Ok its a SD card :) got it as a pack from the local electrical store. Why would the quality of the card make a big difference ?
[10:18] <andyandyandy> drgr33n: If you have a very cheap china shit SDCard? But I think the vendor has packed a compatible one when ordered as kit
[10:18] <drgr33n> Didn't manage to get distcc working either. It crash and burns when linking.
[10:19] <andyandyandy> "and burns"?
[10:19] <drgr33n> Yea it's not great though just a sangate class 6
[10:20] <drgr33n> and it fails to link complaining of corrupt elf headers
[10:20] <gnarface> drgr33n: note that if you didn't disable journaling in ext4 you're subjecting the card to significantly higher amount of traffic under load than if you disable; if you're having disk-load issues it (though ironic and counterintuitive as it may be) might help to disable journaling
[10:20] <gnarface> drgr33n: overclocking is my primary suspect as well though
[10:21] <andyandyandy> drgr33n: I have asked you if you also have problems when you do not overclock your rpi
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[10:23] <drgr33n_> Sorry got kicked off
[10:24] <drgr33n_> As I was saying it's fine until I put the PI under load when overclocked
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[10:25] <drgr33n_> I was just wondering if by using a better quality sd card it might stop the corruption or at least allow me to beef up my pi a bit
[10:25] <linuxboy> drgr33n_: which overclocked setting?
[10:26] <linuxboy> drgr33n_: how many amps is your PSU?
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[10:27] <drgr33n_> PSU i think is rated at 2.7a but I have a phone charger with 5a here.
[10:27] <linuxboy> that should be fine
[10:27] <linuxboy> which overclock setting?
[10:27] <linuxboy> mine corrupts on the highest one
[10:27] <drgr33n_> And I have it set to high.
[10:28] <drgr33n_> Why the corruption ? Is it due to to lack of power when overvolting ?
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[10:28] <linuxboy> no idea
[10:29] <drgr33n_> Would be nice to know. I was thinking of going and picking up a small SATA SSD and powered usb caddy
[10:29] <drgr33n_> Does anyone know why distcc would be corrupting the ELF headers too ?
[10:29] <gnarface> drgr33n_: try dynamic overclocking instead of just locking it to max. try adding a heatsync or fan.
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[10:30] <drgr33n_> I'm creating a toolchain by imaging my pi, mounting the img using loop,offset=blah then copying the system to a crosscompile dir and symlinking the needed binaries to /usr/bin
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[10:32] <drgr33n_> I do have a set of bins from crosscompile-ng too but thought that was the reason for corruption so moved over to the same as my PI but no cigar :(
[10:33] <drgr33n_> dynamic overclocking ?
[10:35] <gnarface> drgr33n_: using cpufreq: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Overclocking
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[10:37] <drgr33n_> Ahhh yes I have this already setup
[10:38] <drgr33n_> When monitoring the temps of my pi it's not going above 47c
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[10:42] <gnarface> drgr33n_: keep in mind that when overclocking *anything* you run the risk of instructions executing out-of-order. the likelihood of such hysterical behavior increases as the temperature rises and can sometimes be mitigated by (potentially unsafe) changes to voltage, but either way you're operating the thing out-of-spec, so expect some bizarre behavior when you're redlining it...
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[10:43] <gnarface> drgr33n_: if the problems are power related you might be able to mitigate them by moving your main storage to a powered usb hub, but i wouldn't hold my breath...
[10:44] <gnarface> drgr33n_: some software (xmbc comes to mind) operates under such tight performance margins that its purportedly currently known-unstable with any overclocking at all... so that's also something to keep in mind
[10:47] <drgr33n_> I haven't got as far as running xbmc for any longer than 5 mins before corruption. I was only overclocking for compiling xbmc and thats where all the problems started.
[10:48] <linuxboy> why are you compiling xbmc?
[10:48] <drgr33n_> So I can use the latest and greatest
[10:49] <drgr33n_> plus I prefer to roll my own if it's not available from the official source
[10:49] <linuxboy> just install this: http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc
[10:49] <drgr33n_> :D too easy
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[10:49] <linuxboy> suit yourself
[10:50] <drgr33n_> Not saying there's anything wrong with them you don't know what your downloading
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[10:50] <linuxboy> tinfoil hat?
[10:50] <drgr33n_> haha
[10:51] <linuxboy> whats going to happen?
[10:51] <gnarface> 47C seems to me to be way too hot for a pi...
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[10:52] <drgr33n_> is it I thought that was not too bad
[10:52] <gnarface> its not to bad for a nvidia video card with 3 fans...
[10:52] <gnarface> for a coolerless arm chip i think you're cooking it
[10:53] <linuxboy> The Raspberry Pi is built from commercial chips which are qualified to different temperature ranges; the LAN9512 is specified by the manufacturers being qualified from 0°C to 70°C, while the AP is qualified from -40°C to 85°C. You may well find that the board will work outside those temperatures, but we’re not qualifying the board itself to these extremes.
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[10:54] <drgr33n> Sorry lost connection again. So 47 is to hot for a pi ?
[10:54] <linuxboy> The Raspberry Pi is built from commercial chips which are qualified to different temperature ranges; the LAN9512 is specified by the manufacturers being qualified from 0°C to 70°C, while the AP is qualified from -40°C to 85°C. You may well find that the board will work outside those temperatures, but we’re not qualifying the board itself to these extremes.
[10:55] <drgr33n> I'm not outside those temps I'm slap bang in the middle.
[10:56] <linuxboy> no you're not
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[10:56] <linuxboy> 22.5 is slap bang in the middle
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[10:58] <drgr33n> Well mine is running at 37 atm with no load
[10:58] <drgr33n> And it's freezing in the UK atm lol
[10:59] <gnarface> but its also not crashing right now either, is it?
[11:00] <gnarface> 10 degrees is well more than the difference between stable and insta-crash on a nvidia card too
[11:00] <gnarface> not saying that's your problem, i'm just saying its one of several highly suspect things you're doing here
[11:00] <drgr33n> Yes lol corruption is at large dpkg is broken and lots of other things it's hanging on by the skin of it's teeth running dnsmasq and ssh
[11:01] <drgr33n> But ok 47 is bad. Well thanks for your suggestions I think I've got an old heat sink kit for a ati card with small bits that will fit.
[11:02] <drgr33n> How about distcc ?
[11:02] <gnarface> drgr33n: no idea, consider your *flash* temperature itself as well
[11:03] <linuxboy> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=11579#p169872
[11:04] <linuxboy> ^^^ a post about temperature
[11:04] <linuxboy> 47 isn't bad
[11:04] <linuxboy> 85 is bad
[11:04] <drgr33n> And the weird thing is it runs fine under load. No lagging or weird glitches it runs like a beast. Just when I reboot its game over.
[11:04] <Radix-wrk> mine's usually around 60'C
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[11:05] <Radix-wrk> ambient is around 30'c tho
[11:05] <drgr33n> I have a openstack server at work I might borrow that for a bit and put a pi image on there for compiling. See if it's the laptops cpu
[11:06] <linuxboy> mine is at 62 at the moment
[11:06] <drgr33n> lol
[11:07] <linuxboy> with 1 process running at 25%
[11:07] <FR^2> mine is offline atm :(
[11:07] <drgr33n> Can I measure the voltages from the vcencmd ?
[11:08] <linuxboy> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[11:08] <linuxboy> oh
[11:08] <linuxboy> voltages
[11:08] <drgr33n> Can I just ask how are you guys creating your cross toolchains ?
[11:09] <linuxboy> qemu
[11:10] <drgr33n> What emulating a pi or using linux-qemu in a chroot
[11:10] <linuxboy> pi goes down to 45.5 on idle
[11:10] <linuxboy> chroot
[11:10] <gnarface> linuxboy: what's your ambient room temp ?
[11:10] <linuxboy> hot
[11:11] <linuxboy> apple weather says 25
[11:11] <linuxboy> feels hotter
[11:11] <drgr33n> sorry didn't mean to put linux- lol got far to many screens up
[11:12] <drgr33n> That was far to slow to work with for me
[11:13] <drgr33n> Was quicker to compile on the pi and made minimal difference using distcc
[11:14] <drgr33n> The sick thing is that using distcc with a toolchain works super quick but fails at linking i was well gutted to sit there for hours watching a black screen to see that at the end :(
[11:15] <drgr33n> ccache was worse lol
[11:19] <drgr33n> Oh well it's all good fun at the end of the day, I will have to experiment with different things. Thanks for all your suggestions I'll try and cool things down and I think it has more to do with the usb power supply I got with the kit. Those low quality usb wall sockets give out a low quality supply. I might switch to my phone charger and see what happens too.
[11:21] <drgr33n> Or I've fried the memory overclocking lol
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[22:13] <l_r> hello
[22:13] <l_r> what's the default password??
[22:13] <l_r> pi/raspberry does not work. this is Raspbian "wheezy"
[22:17] <atouk> pi/raspberry is default. check capslock
[22:18] <l_r> atouk, it does not work!!
[22:18] <l_r> is it ssh?
[22:18] <atouk> yup
[22:18] <atouk> do you get the login prompt?
[22:19] <l_r> atouk, of course
[22:19] <l_r> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads this is the distro: "Raspbian Wheezy"
[22:19] <atouk> did you change it with raspi-config?
[22:20] <l_r> no...lol wrong machine
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[22:20] <l_r> i detached the network cable hoping the host ip had gone away
[22:20] <l_r> this means raspberry has not got an ip yet
[22:21] <l_r> isn't the dhcp by default?
[22:21] <atouk> yes
[22:21] <atouk> wifi or hardline
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[22:29] <l_r> what is the yellow light?
[22:29] <l_r> is it the network up?
[22:30] <l_r> (cable connected9
[22:31] <atouk> if the yellow is on, then you have network connect (though not necesarily an ip assigned)
[22:32] <atouk> if you want to find the pi ip, just ping raspberrypi
[22:32] <l_r> atouk, yes, ok
[22:33] <l_r> atouk, but now it's turned off
[22:33] <atouk> if it's seen by the router, it will shot the ip in the reply
[22:33] <l_r> i could ping the machine for a while
[22:33] <l_r> just for few seconds
[22:33] <l_r> not there s one red only light
[22:34] <l_r> is there any sort of power management?
[22:34] <atouk> is there anythign in the USB ports?
[22:34] <l_r> no
[22:34] <l_r> nothing
[22:34] <l_r> there's just the cable
[22:34] <atouk> if you have a vold meter, checp for 5v across tp1 and tp2
[22:34] <atouk> you may just need a beefier power source
[22:34] <l_r> atouk, it's 4,8
[22:35] <l_r> it's 4,8v 1000mA
[22:35] <atouk> power cycle and see what happens
[22:35] <atouk> 8/10 problems are usually low voltage
[22:35] <l_r> to turn it o ff there is no button it seems
[22:36] <atouk> plug/unplug
[22:36] <atouk> or vice versa
[22:36] <l_r> ok, but why it stays up fo few second. with low voltage i should expect no boot at all
[22:36] <atouk> it "might" boot, but then fail as it starts to network
[22:37] <l_r> no w i can ping it
[22:37] <l_r> let's see
[22:37] <l_r> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.6: icmp_req=31 ttl=64 time=1.46 ms
[22:37] <atouk> as current demand goes up, voltage will go down on cheap supplies
[22:37] <l_r> let's login
[22:37] <l_r> let's hope
[22:38] <l_r> yes i am in now
[22:38] <l_r> strange. it did not work for two times
[22:38] <l_r> ok, now it's down again :(
[22:38] <l_r> what a pain
[22:38] <atouk> odd
[22:39] <l_r> red light only
[22:39] <atouk> there was a batch of pis that was undercooked during assembly. check the pi forums for details. or ask in #raspberrypi
[22:40] <l_r> :(
[22:40] <atouk> i'd still put my money on power supply
[22:40] <l_r> couold it be the 4,8v low-voltage?
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[22:41] <atouk> try it with a pc USB port for power
[22:42] <l_r> is usb 5v?
[22:43] <l_r> it's booting
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[22:45] <atouk> now lets see if you can login
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[22:47] <l_r> atouk, all lights are turned on . GOOD. but i cannot login
[22:47] <l_r> incredible
[22:47] <l_r> even the green light is on
[22:47] <l_r> which should not
[22:47] <l_r> think
[22:47] <l_r> since it's the card reader
[22:47] <atouk> card reader???
[22:48] <l_r> isn't the green light about the activity on reader of the sd card?
[22:49] <l_r> there is one red lamp
[22:49] <l_r> two green
[22:49] <l_r> one yellow
[22:49] <atouk> there's 4 leds red green green yellow
[22:49] <atouk> power, activity, link, 100m
[22:50] <atouk> is the yellow on?
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[22:50] <l_r> yes
[22:50] <l_r> the two green lights are one
[22:50] <l_r> on
[22:50] <atouk> then ping raspberrypi
[22:50] <l_r> everything is on :)
[22:50] <atouk> router may have assigned a different ip
[22:51] <l_r> raspberrypi 192.168.1.6 B8-27-EB-50-CC-67
[22:51] <l_r> nothing
[22:52] <l_r> uh wow....now everything turned off
[22:52] <atouk> red led too?
[22:53] <l_r> no
[22:53] <l_r> let's, i attached to a different port
[22:53] <atouk> red never goes off?
[22:54] <l_r> pi@192.168.1.6's password:
[22:54] <l_r> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l
[22:54] <l_r> i am in
[22:54] <l_r> let's see
[22:54] <l_r> apparently the pi did not like the other usb host controller
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[22:55] <l_r> oh i am still in
[22:55] <l_r> :)
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[22:55] <l_r> let's startx
[22:55] <atouk> let it cook for a bit to make sure it stays on, then do all the updates
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[22:58] <l_r> atouk, updates about what?
[22:58] <atouk> on order sudo apt-get update
[22:59] <atouk> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:59] <atouk> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:59] <l_r> ah ok
[22:59] <atouk> then install rpi-update and run that (link in a sec)
[23:00] <atouk> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[23:00] <atouk> you may want to go into raspi-config and set everythign up first.
[23:01] <atouk> don't overclock past moderate until you find out if your sd card can handle it AFTER you do the updates
[23:01] <l_r> ok
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[23:06] <l_r> atouk, have you used xvfb for controlling the x server?
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[23:08] <atouk> no
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[23:17] <- *XenGi* Sry I'm currently not present but you can leave me a message and I will probably respond to it.
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[23:30] <l_r> atouk, now i have the wireless to setup
[23:31] <l_r> atouk, i have an usb-key, is there any useful link?
[23:31] <l_r> i have two usb keys actually
[23:31] <l_r> hamlet and dlink
[23:31] <atouk> chip inside is more important than the brand
[23:32] <atouk> try the dlink first. if it has the realtek chipset, it should be recognised without any drivers
[23:32] <atouk> then you just need to setup the access point stuff (password, etc)
[23:36] <l_r> yes it should be realtek
[23:36] <l_r> atouk, is rpi-update something official? can i trust it?
[23:38] <atouk> semi official and yes you can trust
[23:39] <l_r> firmware about which chips?
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[23:54] <l_r> atouk, is there any way to access the remote display/screen of the xserver running there?
[23:54] <l_r> (in the pi)
[23:54] <l_r> i want to control what's going on my tv from my laptop
[23:55] <atouk> use a remote. pi uses CEC remote codes
[23:57] <l_r> atouk, it would be to control it via android mobile phone
[23:57] <l_r> *be great
[23:57] <l_r> on the lan
[23:57] <l_r> like the lg box i have
[23:58] <l_r> maybe there is something on the market
[23:58] <atouk> probobly is. ask in #raspberrypi
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