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[1:44] <Cael> i got a strange issue after installing a few things off the Pi store.
[1:45] <Cael> if i try to install anything via apt-get it gets to 80% reading package lists
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[1:47] <Cael> then errors at: "Error : problem with mergelist /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrordirector.raspbian.org_raspbian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-armhf_Packages " Error: The Packages lists or status or status file could not be parsed or opened"
[1:48] <Cael> and yes im overclocked to Turbo.
[1:50] <Cael> this is persisting over reboots. any idea how i can fix this w/o a reflash?
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[2:03] <aidalgol> How are you invoking apt-get?
[2:04] <Cael> same as per standard sudo apt-get in lxterminal
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[2:18] <aidalgol> Oh, because I was going to say it looks like a permission error.
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[2:18] <aidalgol> Maybe it got corrupted. Have you tried asking in #debian?
[2:19] <aidalgol> I know Raspbian is an unofficial port, but they may be willing to help since it's basically just Debian recombiled for ARMv6 (unlike Ubuntu, which is a completely different ditsribution).
[2:19] <Cael> last i asked Anything related to raspberryPi there i got a rather... Unpleasing reception.
[2:19] <aidalgol> Really?
[2:19] <Cael> yea
[2:20] <Cael> i got told goto #raspbian and got kicked from chan
[2:20] <aidalgol> Was this on freenode or OFTC?
[2:20] <Cael> freenode but this was about maybe in oct. 2012
[2:21] <Cael> if it is corrupted is there an easy way to regenerate or repair it?
[2:21] <aidalgol> You may have to end up posting on the r-pi forums, since this channel is usually so quiet.
[2:21] <aidalgol> Have you tried with overclocking turned down again?
[2:22] <Cael> no actually.
[2:22] <aidalgol> OK, try that next.
[2:22] <Cael> but if its SD Corruption then we may want to take Microcenter SD cards Off the compatable list.
[2:22] <Cael> this is about the 6th SD card i've gone thru w/ em where one after too many times was litteraly unsable anymore
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[2:23] <aidalgol> Well, turbo-level overclocking may be to blame.
[2:23] <aidalgol> Wait, just try apt-get update
[2:24] <Cael> i did that before. same Result stops at 80% w/ that error
[2:24] <Cael> and i set it to Medium and it's rebooting now
[2:25] <Cael> (this would actually be a wee tad hard to see on my Power mac's Tv Tuner. lucky im on my brother's HDMI ready TV)
[2:25] <aidalgol> I'm not a Debian guru, but I think the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ are just a cache of the repository indexes (probably wrong terminology).
[2:26] <aidalgol> So apt-get update should not be failing.
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[2:30] <Cael> still errored
[2:31] <aidalgol> OK, I'm out of ideas.
[2:31] <Cael> brb gotta switch to my own room (brother wants his room back ;-; Bye bye HDTV for now XD)
[2:31] <jschneider> try deleting that offending file in /var/lib/apt
[2:32] <jschneider> and do a apt-get update
[2:33] <jschneider> that should fix it... sounds just like a corrupted package list in the cache...
[2:34] <jschneider> (otherwise: check for filesystem corruption)
[2:38] <Cael> ok i removed it and did update sofar so good (as im trying to snag and install scummvm
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[2:41] <Cael> its working now
[2:41] <Cael> and backing it down to medium im noticing teh case isnt As hot too.
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[8:51] <rela> hi :)
[8:51] <rela> i set up my raspberry from scratch. i remember changing some memory allocation in a config file under /etc/ .. but cant remember which one. anyone got an idea?
[8:52] <rela> sysctl.conf it was. thanks!
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[9:01] <gordonDrogon> possibly /boot/config.txt for the GPU memory split.
[9:01] <rela> yes, thought about that too, but it was this:
[9:01] <rela> vm.min_free_kbytes = 32768
[9:01] <rela> whatever this does :)
[9:02] <rela> (/etc/sysctl.conf)
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> you can safely ignore that.
[9:03] <rela> i was desperate and tried everything i found somewhere online
[9:03] <rela> because of the FTDI crashes
[9:03] <rela> usb serial adapters are very broken on the pi
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> I've not had any problems with USB serial adapters, but maybe it's because I've only tried 2 different ones.
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> I've had Pi's connected to arduinos in the past at 115200 baud - never had a problem with them and they're ftdi.
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[9:04] <rela> then you might be lucky
[9:05] <rela> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=16280
[9:05] <rela> there is a thread
[9:05] <rela> usb crashes and with that networking
[9:05] <rela> it helps to change usb speed to 1.1
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> *shrug* it works for me.
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg <- although that's quite old, I did set it up again recently. The commos protocol between the Pi and the Arduino runs at 115200 baud and it's constantly running.
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[9:09] <rela> looks nice :D
[9:09] <rela> i wish i could do some programming
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> what are you using your Pi for?
[9:10] <rela> as a slim and enegry saving ****server
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> You serve stars? neat ;-)
[9:10] <rela> hehe
[9:11] <rela> cardserver, that is
[9:11] <rela> i only serve stars to my daughter, she deserves it (most of the time)
[9:11] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:14] <rela> what i did not yet understand is what rpi-update does
[9:14] <rela> i understood it upgrades the kernel, but why is a newer kernel not provided over apt?
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[9:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure either - I thought it was though, but I've not run rpi-update for some months now.
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[10:02] <dexta> morning
[10:04] <rela> moin
[10:08] <Shinda> hello
[10:08] <brguy> bom dia
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[11:48] <blkhawk> heyx
[11:49] <blkhawk> I need help getting the current epoch from a file
[11:49] <blkhawk> what would be in /dev/rtc if the pi had such a thing
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[12:29] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, the current epoch? that's pretty meaningless.
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, do you mean the time of last modification, creation, or update?
[12:29] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: bot in my case :)
[12:29] <blkhawk> just the current time
[12:29] <blkhawk> info-beamer for RPI justcame out
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> the current time - type 'date' ...
[12:30] <blkhawk> as a design decision the lua you use to script it with is sandboxed
[12:30] <blkhawk> I cannot type from inside lua
[12:30] <blkhawk> cannot run commandlines
[12:30] <blkhawk> anyway
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> never used lua - doesn't it have a date/time command?
[12:30] <blkhawk> I can read strings from files
[12:30] <blkhawk> sandboxed
[12:31] <blkhawk> without librarys
[12:31] <blkhawk> no os.time or date
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> oh well. pick a new programming language would be what I'd do.
[12:31] <blkhawk> sigh
[12:31] <blkhawk> lua isn't the cause
[12:31] <blkhawk> info beamer is
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> but if you can read files, then simply write the date/time into a file from outside it, then read it from inside it.
[12:31] <blkhawk> info-beamer is awesome tho
[12:31] <blkhawk> yes
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what that is.
[12:32] <blkhawk> however i would want to just do it automagically without running an external script
[12:32] <blkhawk> a sec
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> actually, if you can read files, then create a named pipe ...
[12:32] <blkhawk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc3FjgJ11gw
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> you still need to run an external program to feed the pipe though.
[12:32] <blkhawk> tharts info beamer
[12:33] <blkhawk> and yes the openGL stuff works on thwe pi
[12:33] <blkhawk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKE3GlYGrAQ
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> that video didn't help explain to me what info-beamers is. I just saw someone try to enter a word via some weird on-creeen keyboard.
[12:34] <blkhawk> uh
[12:35] <blkhawk> nobody is entering that
[12:35] <blkhawk> its an information display
[12:35] <blkhawk> itsd automatesd
[12:35] <blkhawk> it justdisplays stuff prettily
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[12:35] <gordonDrogon> ok. I found the website.
[12:35] <blkhawk> :)
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> oh well - good luck. crap that lua hasn't got date/time intrinsics though.
[12:36] <blkhawk> its no lua
[12:36] <blkhawk> info-beamer is sandboxed as a design decision by the guy who made it
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> well write a program (in C maybe) that opens a named pipe and write the current date/time into it, then read that file from the environment.
[12:37] <blkhawk> ya
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> provided the environment doesn't check the file-type that is ...
[12:37] <blkhawk> I might be able to hack something with just commandline tools
[12:37] <blkhawk> it doesd not
[12:38] <blkhawk> I am curretly getting my seed time from /proc/stat
[12:38] <blkhawk> via a ln
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> while true; do sleep 1 ; date > filename ; done
[12:38] <blkhawk> ya
[12:38] <blkhawk> I tghink i can do a named piper that just triggers date
[12:39] <blkhawk> date +"%s"
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't 'trigger' you need to write to it.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ yakko: mkfifo testFifo
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ yakko: bash
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> gordon@yakko:~$ while true; do date >> testFifo ; done
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> and when I cat testFifo I get the date.
[12:40] <blkhawk> ya
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> the date >> testFifo blocks until something reads it.
[12:41] <blkhawk> the command triggers on read
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> no, the write blocks.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> so it has the same net effect, but it's not triggering a command.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> The down-side is that if the writer program is not running, then the reader will block.
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[12:49] <blkhawk> ya
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[13:15] <blkhawk> I'm just echoing the time to a file at start ;)
[13:15] <blkhawk> i just need it once
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> ok if just once, then don't need a pipe, but the 'time' will be slow :)
[13:19] <blkhawk> ah no - there is a sys.now() call
[13:20] <blkhawk> that fairly accurate
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[14:20] <faLUCE> I need a web browser+xbmc+torrent . But the only way for doing that seems to install xbmc on raspbian. Unfortunately, the xbmc package on raspbian has many bugs... what do you suggest?
[14:20] <faLUCE> otherewise, is there anything similar to xbmc that can be added to raspbian and that works?
[14:23] <jakllsch> omplayer?
[14:23] <jakllsch> (was that the name?)
[14:24] <faLUCE> jakllsch: it's not
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> omxplayer
[14:28] <jakllsch> ah right
[14:29] <faLUCE> thanks, but it's not good as xbmc... for example, it doesn't support youtube
[14:30] <faLUCE> well: is there somewhere an image with raspbia+xbmc ?
[14:30] <faLUCE> I can't find it here http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> I thought xbmc just used omxplayer underneath?
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[14:36] <jakllsch> not quite
[14:36] <jakllsch> afaik
[14:36] <jakllsch> they more share code, aiui
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[16:03] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. I'm trying to use a program similar to TeamViewer that would work under Raspbian and that would also let me login remotely without having to open any program after login in locally.
[16:03] <ivotkl> (I mean, by being phisically in front of the box)
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[16:07] <sney> ivotkl, xrdp
[16:07] <sney> assuming you want a graphical interface that is. otherwise, openssh-server
[16:07] <ivotkl> Thanks. Will try. Are commands on OS similar to Ubuntu ones?
[16:08] <ivotkl> Yes, I would need sometimes xrdp.
[16:08] <sney> yes, ubuntu and raspbian are both based on debian.
[16:08] <ivotkl> Great. =P
[16:08] <ivotkl> So it would be like sudo apt-get install xrdp?
[16:08] <sney> assuming you have installed and configured sudo, yes
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[16:09] <ivotkl> How do I do that under pi? Mine should be arriving here in 15 days.
[16:10] <sney> some of the available images might have it already, I made my own image so I haven't compared them much, but in short: log in, become root, apt-get install sudo, usermod -aG sudo yourusername
[16:10] <ivotkl> sney, How would it work?
[16:10] <ivotkl> I've installed it here already.
[16:10] <sney> how would what work?
[16:11] <ivotkl> xrdp
[16:11] <sney> it runs an RDP server. you connect to it with an RDP client, such as rdesktop for linux or remote desktop for windows
[16:11] <ivotkl> I run it and says it is already running it.
[16:11] <ivotkl> ohhhhhhhhhh, thanks.
[16:11] <ivotkl> I will send manual as PDF to my tablet to read it at work. Thanks in advanced!
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[16:14] <sney> try to remember that 'sudo' is just one way to use root privileges for a command, it's not an integral part of any command. when you assume 'sudo' as an important factor in what you're doing, you skip over understanding the difference between root and regular users, and permissions, etc, which are important things to understand if you want to be good at using unix-like operating systems
[16:14] <sney> this is a pet peeve of mine with Ubuntu docs
[16:17] <sney> for instance: only root can install packages. if you know this, and whoever you're talking to knows this, you can just say 'apt-get install foo' with the assumption that you will become root the way that makes sense for your system.
[16:18] <sney> sudo can also introduce weird behaviour sometimes and it can be insecure on multi-user systems, so it's not always the best solution for becoming root.
[16:18] <sney> /endrant
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[18:01] <Shinda_> bye
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[18:08] <Raphael> hello all
[18:09] <Raphael> someone uses tvheadend?
[18:09] <Raphael> i cant get any picture :(
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[22:12] <ngc0202> How do I get programs to start on boot on Raspbian?
[22:12] <ngc0202> (Specifically the Wifi-Config program, so that I don't need to launch it myself to get my pi on the internet)
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[22:15] <MacArony> You can install network-manager-gnome with the --no-recommends option, then enjoy.
[22:17] <ngc0202> Okay, I'll try that
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[22:24] <Nik05> ngc0202 and to start programs differs
[22:24] <ngc0202> How so?
[22:25] <Nik05> ok wait a second, i got a brainfreeze
[22:29] <Nik05> ok i cant get it out of my brain :P
[22:29] <ngc0202> hehe no problem
[22:29] <ngc0202> also, where does this --no-recommends option go?
[22:30] <Nik05> crontab ;)
[22:30] <ngc0202> uh?
[22:30] <Nik05> you can use cron to run programs when you want
[22:31] <Nik05> at a specific time but also a boot
[22:32] <Nik05> can also do this a root, but you can also use runlevel system
[22:32] <ngc0202> okay
[22:33] <Nik05> but maybe better for you to just use cron
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[22:38] <MacArony> ngc0202: sudo apt-get install <what you want> --no-recommends
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[22:38] <MacArony> Strictly what you need, no crap included.
[22:38] <ngc0202> ok
[22:39] <ngc0202> That's what I thought, but I didn't see it in the man pages for apt-get
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[22:39] <faLUCE> Hi. Is there an image that contains raspbian (with window manager) and xbmc? I'm really getting crazy to find one....
[22:44] <ngc0202> "E: Command line option --no-recommends is not understood"
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[23:01] <faLUCE> Hi. Is there an image that contains raspbian (with window manager) and xbmc? I'm really getting crazy to find one....
[23:02] <faLUCE> sorry
[23:07] <blkhawk> ah
[23:07] <blkhawk> there is a xbmc distro with hardfloat is there not?
[23:07] <blkhawk> not sure
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[23:11] <Patagonicus> There's raspbmc and OpenELEC. The first was developed for the pi in the irst place, the second was ported. Not sure about raspbmc, but OpenELEC doesn't contain a window manager (or X for that matter).
[23:12] <sraue> OpenELEC is no port it is and was a own distro
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[23:14] <sraue> and OpenELEC was running on RPi (and with hardfloat from beginning) already before Raspbmc was started
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[23:30] <BCMM> faLUCE: the foundation image contains a WM. installing XBMC via an extra repo isn't especially time-consuming
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[23:40] <faLUCE> BCMM: I already did that. but the repo's xbmc was very buggy. now I'm repeating the operation... let's cross fingers
[23:41] <faLUCE> how can I backup what I installed in my sd card so to make a new image?
[23:41] <BCMM> faLUCE: where did you get xbmc? here? http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc
[23:41] <BCMM> it's worked fine for me except the recent 12.0 release which wouldn't start; symbol lookup error
[23:41] <BCMM> been meaning to actually investigate and report it, but at the time i just wanted to watch something so i downgraded
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[23:46] <- *Muzer* Muzer is currently away, try again later
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[23:47] <faLUCE> BCMM: I solved the issue you mention by upgrading the firmware
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[23:59] <Patagonicus> sraue: Well, OpenELEC didn't start out as a distribution for the pi, raspbmc did. That was what I wanted to say.
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