#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-02-12

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[4:14] <Rask> Hello, channel... wonder if you could help me with a hopefully-simple problem. :) Trying to get pygame to play a wav on my rpi and getting no sound at all (while aplay-ing the same file works). Doing this at the python repl: http://pastebin.com/DwBFSXjJ
[4:15] <Rask> Oh, I should clarify, I have speakers connected to the headphone port, the monitor connected to the HDMI port does not handle sound.
[4:17] <ParkerR> Rask, In the same folder as the script?
[4:17] <Rask> Yeah.
[4:17] <ParkerR> Hmm
[4:18] <ParkerR> Rask, Have you initialized it?
[4:18] <ParkerR> "pygame.mixer.init(frequency=22050, size=-16, channels=2, buffer=4096): return None"
[4:18] <Rask> Yeah - pygame.mixer.init()
[4:18] <Rask> I just figured the defaults would be okay
[4:18] <ParkerR> Oh heh wasnt looking
[4:24] <Rask> Hm, just installed pygame and tried the same code on my PC and it works fine...
[4:31] <Tachyon`> size=-16?
[4:32] <Tachyon`> shouldn't that be 16?
[4:32] <Rask> Negative numbers seem to mean signed samples.
[4:32] <Tachyon`> ah right
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[6:02] <anunnaki> anyone familiar with haret and can you point me to a good site on how to use it? i finally found it on github, just trying to figure out how to use it
[6:02] <anunnaki> i already got wheezy raspberry pi extracted to a sd card
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[9:49] <blkhawk> why is it that in at least 50% of cases where i do stuff on the /boot partition the pi locls up and the partition is broken?
[9:50] <ParkerR> blkhawk, What do you "do" on that partition?
[9:50] <blkhawk> ParkerR: writing to it
[9:50] <blkhawk> its really strange
[9:50] <blkhawk> its always the msdos partition
[9:51] <blkhawk> just did the rpi kernel update via apt-get upgrade
[9:51] <SStrife> always unmount it cleanly?
[9:52] <ParkerR> blkhawk, Umm on raspbian the kernel upgrading is managed by rpi-update
[9:52] <ParkerR> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[9:52] <SStrife> as in properly shut down/reboot, not just pull the plug, cause that can wreck the fat partition, it doesn't have journalling like ext3/4
[9:52] <blkhawk> ParkerR: actually not this time
[9:53] <blkhawk> root@raspberrypi:~# dpkg --configure -a
[9:53] <blkhawk> raspberrypi-bootloader (1.20130207-1) wird eingerichtet ...
[9:53] <blkhawk> SStrife: I am well aware of that
[9:53] <blkhawk> sadly thats the obnly choice if it locks up
[9:53] <ParkerR> Hmm
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[9:54] <ParkerR> I'd rather do rpi-update myself
[9:54] <blkhawk> ya same here
[9:54] <SStrife> Sorry, i don't know what you know, if you know what I mean :)
[9:54] <blkhawk> but the stock raspbian image is not compatible with that script
[9:54] <blkhawk> ya i know
[9:54] <blkhawk> the pi locks up and basically no flash access is possible
[9:55] <blkhawk> consoles stay open but i cannot do things
[9:55] <blkhawk> like say run a command
[9:55] <blkhawk> I can type the command but it will just lock that console
[9:55] <blkhawk> I haven't waited for longer than say 20 minutes
[9:55] <SStrife> hmm
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[9:56] <ParkerR> blkhawk, Not compatible>
[9:56] <ParkerR> *?
[9:56] <ParkerR> I use it on the raspbian netinstall I have from forever ago
[9:57] <blkhawk> ParkerR: that will work - i meant that there is a significant difference and i am unsure what will happn when stock with 3.6.11 and rpi-update fight each other ;)
[9:57] <ParkerR> rpi-update is at 3.6 something
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[9:58] <blkhawk> meaning they overwrite each others stuff in /boot
[9:58] <ParkerR> Itr just pulls the latest rpi repo
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[9:58] <blkhawk> ya i know
[9:58] <blkhawk> rpi-update is more current
[9:58] <ParkerR> Does anything depend on the apt-get package?
[9:58] <blkhawk> I haven't looked
[9:59] <ParkerR> Might just try apt-get remove raspberry-bootloader then rpi-update
[9:59] <blkhawk> setting up cma
[9:59] <ParkerR> (Hoping that doesnt break anything)
[9:59] <blkhawk> I am also considering just mounting /boot ro
[10:01] <blkhawk> I first thought the problems were caused by me making "half" sized sdcards
[10:01] <blkhawk> or by overclocking
[10:01] <SStrife> the only other thing I can think of is that there's some weird error that's making the system wait for the device to sync
[10:01] <blkhawk> but the /boot partition is far more fragile than anything i have seen recently
[10:01] <blkhawk> ya
[10:02] <SStrife> could you kick off a "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" and see what happens when you try to log?
[10:02] <SStrife> you could*
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[10:02] <SStrife> and, er, try to do something on that partition
[10:02] <SStrife> might be some mmcblk0 errors
[10:02] <blkhawk> hum - the error doesn't occur relyably
[10:02] <blkhawk> ya
[10:03] <SStrife> man, intermittent errors are the worst
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[10:03] <SStrife> i was having some trouble with some arduino code, which I thought was me doing something stupid.
[10:04] <SStrife> turned out the button wasn't quite pushed into the breadboard far enough
[10:04] <SStrife> only, you know, 4 hours later...
[10:05] <SStrife> blargh, sorry man, that's all the idea I have to offer...
[10:06] <blkhawk> ya
[10:06] <blkhawk> #thanks tho
[10:06] <SStrife> no problem.
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[10:06] <SStrife> it's been a while since i fired up the ol IRC client. this channel has grown considerably since I last visited.
[10:07] <blkhawk> heh - I am always in IRC
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[10:07] <blkhawk> thats what irc bouncers are for :)
[10:07] <SStrife> heh
[10:12] <blkhawk> seemas like something went horribly wrong
[10:12] <blkhawk> the /boot partition is ok but i don't even get any output on hdmi anymore
[10:13] <blkhawk> trying to write raspberrypi-bootloader manually
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[10:15] <blkhawk> raspberrypi-bootloader (1.20130207-1)
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[10:23] <Sokkeh> Hi all, im working on a project for scool with raspberry PI and i was wondering what would be an easy way to send a file to your raspberry pi using wifi? preferably using an android smartphone
[10:24] <blkhawk> Sokkeh: there re so many ways....
[10:27] <Sokkeh> well were looking for something that allows anyone to send a file to the raspberry who can get on the wifi network but were looking for a way to limit the amount of storage you can access per device
[10:28] <blkhawk> Sokkeh: there re so many ways....
[10:28] <blkhawk> why limit the amount of storage?
[10:28] <blkhawk> also how are the files suppsed to be managed?
[10:29] <blkhawk> do you need to browse and retrieve them from the phone?
[10:31] <Sokkeh> preferably you should be able to send 1-2 mp3's to the raspberry from your phone and be able to delete them if you want to send a different one.
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[10:34] <Sokkeh> and the files will then just be played on the PI into an audio system. but you shouldnt be able to play the files from your phone just upload them
[10:37] <Sokkeh> basically we wanna use it at a party where people can send music they have on their phone and use the raspberry to play it to the sound system
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[10:47] <blkhawk> hum
[10:47] <blkhawk> I don't think that there is anything that does exactly that
[10:48] <SStrife> You could build something around TFTP easily enough, I reckon
[10:48] <blkhawk> there is a way to activate apple airplay with a server
[10:48] <blkhawk> ya well
[10:48] <blkhawk> aroundy any protocol really
[10:49] <blkhawk> you mifght even use bluetooth
[10:49] <SStrife> I just said TFTP cause it's nice and minimal to implement at the phone end.
[10:49] <blkhawk> since that has a "send to" logic build into the UI
[10:49] <SStrife> no logins or sessions or whatevs
[10:49] <blkhawk> ah
[10:50] <SStrife> yeah, but an MP3 might take a little while over bluetooth?
[10:50] <blkhawk> well you should take into considerartion that almost everythingis already implemented in an android phone
[10:50] <SStrife> tru dat
[10:50] <blkhawk> no need to bit-bang
[10:50] <blkhawk> just mount an nfs
[10:51] <SStrife> yea, there are plenty of ways to do it for sure.
[10:51] <Sokkeh> so you reckon tftp will be a good option
[10:52] <SStrife> it's an option, but any will do really, since you're using WiFi there are loads of ways to copy a file.
[10:54] <Sokkeh> allright thanks!
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[10:55] <SStrife> the fun bit will be the RasPi side of things, getting it to play MP3s from a folder without repeating songs too often.
[10:55] <SStrife> even that won't be too difficult
[10:56] <Sokkeh> yeah thats the next part, we also wanna implement some sort of graphic ui so we can have some info up on a tv or something like that
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[13:20] <markedathome> trying to get Module.sysmvers to be found by make install. It is looking in /lib/modules/3.6.11/ not /lib/modules/3.6.11+
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[13:21] <markedathome> ls -la /lib/modules/3.6.11+/ gives build -> /usr/src/linux-rpi-3.6.y
[13:22] <markedathome> or can someone tell me where to find the packages src/headers to compile modules against
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[13:23] <- *hazadeous* hey
[13:23] <hazadeous> hey
[13:24] <gnarface> markedathome: i suspect they may be in a [packagename]-dev package or else in linux-headers-[kernel version] but i'm not sure. if all else fails module-assistant might work for you, at least if this is anything like debian (which seems to vary)
[13:24] <hazadeous> anyone there
[13:25] <markedathome> yeah
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[13:27] <markedathome> or can someone tell me where to find the packages src/headers to compile modules against $ sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers
[13:27] <markedathome> Note, selecting 'linux-libc-dev' instead of 'linux-kernel-headers'
[13:27] <markedathome> linux-libc-dev is already the newest version.
[13:27] <markedathome> oops, sorry; managed to include previous line
[13:31] <blkhawk> so minecraft and info-beamer are ported now
[13:32] <blkhawk> this perfection cannot be improved upon :)
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[13:35] <pelle2> does anyone have an idea why i cant copy some files to a mounted nfs share in raspbian with sudo
[13:36] <pelle2> i can create directories and files fine on the share, just tried it
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[13:36] <pelle2> hm, these files seem to have different permissions set
[13:37] <markedathome> permissions, type of file, file over certain size (causing timeouts)?
[13:37] <pelle2> but if i sudo, shouldnt i be able to move anything?
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> root access ofver nfs needs a flag in the server.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> (the no_root_squash flag)
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> otherwise root is treated as 'nobody'.
[13:38] <pelle2> ok, but how does nfs handle users anyway?
[13:39] <pelle2> i have set up the share with * for clients, Read/Write
[13:39] <pelle2> what users will it let in in that case?
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[13:42] <gnarface> markedathome: try this: apt-cache search ^linux-headers
[13:42] <gnarface> markedathome: see if one that matches your running kernel version comes up and then make sure its installed
[13:43] <gnarface> pelle2: it handles users by UID# so ... they've all gotta match.
[13:43] <gnarface> pelle2: (or you can clamp everyone to the same UID# and force them all to share instead)
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> yes, UID. Although there are other ways to map them these days, but in ye old days you might run NIS to have a master password file, etc. on all unix hosts.
[13:44] <markedathome> gnarface: they are either -2.6 or 3.2.0-4*
[13:44] <gnarface> markedathome: if none match your currently running kernel version, you may be sorely in need of updating it. run: uname -a
[13:45] <gnarface> markedathome: (outputs current kernel version)
[13:46] <markedathome> $uname -a ; uname -r
[13:46] <markedathome> Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #346 PREEMPT Fri Dec 28 00:50:33 GMT 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[13:46] <markedathome> 3.6.11+
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[13:47] <gnarface> markedathome: uh... so i think its safe to conclude your problems exist because you're not using a supported kernel. where did that one even come from? did you compile it yourself? if so the headers should have come with it...
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[13:48] <markedathome> raspbian wheezy, 2012-12-16, with a dist-upgrade around jan 1st
[13:48] <gnarface> hmm. something is weird i'm pretty sure my kernel is still the 3.2.0 one...
[13:48] <pelle2> perhaps i should share with CIFS instead.... is that as easy to mount in raspbian?
[13:48] <markedathome> install samba or samba4
[13:48] <gnarface> pelle2: not sure its even supported yet.
[13:49] <gnarface> pelle2: nfs is really easier, believe it or not
[13:49] <gnarface> markedathome: are you sure you're not mixing other sources in there?
[13:51] <pelle2> according to this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12998
[13:51] <pelle2> it seems really easy
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[13:52] <markedathome> gnarface: possibly. I had the problems as above, and followed http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation, downloading the tar ball https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/archive/rpi-3.6.y.tar.gz
[13:53] <markedathome> did a make mrproper; make ; make modules_prepare
[13:53] <gnarface> markedathome: well if you compiled by hand the headers would be in the configured kernel directory (assuming its kernel headers you're missing)
[13:54] <gnarface> markedathome: its traditional for this directory to exist in /usr/src/[kernel version] and by symlinked from /lib/modules/[kernel version]/build and /usr/src/linux
[13:54] <gnarface> markedathome: make sure that is the case
[13:55] <gnarface> markedathome: you may also need a symlink from /lib/modules/[kernel version]/source to /usr/src/[kernel] too
[13:56] <gnarface> markedathome: again, sorry this is all fairly generic information. i haven't compiled a kernel on the RPI yet
[13:56] <gnarface> markedathome: but these would be the appropriate symptoms on any other arch so... eh, maybe this is your problem too
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[13:57] <markedathome> the src is extracted to /mnt/src/linux/linux-rpi-3.6.y
[13:57] <markedathome> ls -la /usr/src/linux
[13:57] <markedathome> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Feb 12 13:16 /usr/src/linux -> /mnt/src/linux-rpi-3.6.y/ls -la /lib/modules/3.6.11+
[13:57] <markedathome> ls -la /lib/modules/3.6.11+/
[13:57] <markedathome> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Feb 12 11:44 build -> /mnt/src/linux-rpi-3.6.y
[13:57] <markedathome> drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 Dec 31 17:50 kernel
[14:00] <gnarface> markedathome: yea that doesnt' look right to me. /usr/src/linux should be a symlink to /usr/src/[extracted kernel source dir] and so should "build" and "source". nothing should be in /mnt at all and the extracted directory should not be *in* /usr/src/linux, it should be in /usr/src, parallel to the /usr/src/linux symlink (which is a symlink to it)
[14:00] <gnarface> markedathome: does that make sense?
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[14:01] <markedathome> the src is on a usb flash drive, mounted at /mnt/src as I'm running out of room on the sdcard
[14:02] <markedathome> unless i am using the wrong link type.
[14:02] <markedathome> so there should be /lib/modules/3.6.11+/source linking to /usr/src/linux?
[14:03] <markedathome> links were created with ln -s
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[14:04] <gnarface> markedathome: yes, and yes that's the right type of symlink
[14:05] <gnarface> markedathome: its important that it has to match the *running* kernel version though so you should make /usr/src/linux *and /lib/modules/3.6.11+/source symlinks to your extracted source toplevel directory
[14:06] <gnarface> markedathome: obviously if you're out of space for that though, the transitive property of symlinks i would expect to work right... i've really never tried what you're doing specifically though so there could still be gremlins...
[14:06] <gnarface> markedathome: if your symlinks are all to a directory level *above* your extracted src though it definitely *won't* work on ANY arch though so... one step at a time, ya know?
[14:09] <markedathome> gnarface: alright, i've updated and now done a make clean ; ./configure ; make so I'll find out in an hour or so...
[14:09] <markedathome> thanks for your help so far
[14:10] <gnarface> markedathome: good luck...
[14:10] <gnarface> markedathome: sorry i'm still shooting in the dark here. we're adapting experience from x86/debian which is *not* the same thing
[14:11] <gnarface> markedathome: incidentally, what are you using the new kernel for anyway? i haven't got any complaints about the stock raspbian wheezy one...
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[14:12] <markedathome> checking kernel source directory... /mnt/src/linux-rpi-3.6.y
[14:12] <markedathome> checking kernel build directory... /mnt/src/linux-rpi-3.6.y
[14:12] <markedathome> checking kernel source version... 3.6.11
[14:12] <markedathome> dammit, should that read 3.6.11+ ?
[14:12] <markedathome>
[14:12] <gnarface> hmm. no i doubt it
[14:12] <gnarface> unless the next thing it did is error out
[14:13] <gnarface> i could be wrong though; i was assuming the + is just a tag in the tarball name to indicate it was loaded up with some 3rd party patches
[14:13] <markedathome> it compiled modules into /lib/modules/3.6.11/ in which the directory was new for that build of the compilation
[14:13] <gnarface> like i said... seems expected behavior. what am i missing?
[14:14] <markedathome> should be into /lib/modules/3.6.11+ as there is /lib/modules/3.6.11+/build/modules/Modules.symver
[14:14] <gnarface> hmm
[14:15] <gnarface> well i don't know anything at all about this funky + in the filename shit
[14:15] <markedathome> which is needed, however compiling into ../3.6.11/ build dir doesn't exist
[14:15] <gnarface> but you know what i'm thinking...
[14:15] <gnarface> more symlinks!!!
[14:15] <gnarface> hahaha
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[14:17] <markedathome> symlink everything!! cd /universe/internet/irc/freenode/pratchett ; cat raspberrypi
[14:17] <markedathome> dammit, now how do I chat?
[14:17] <gnarface> ?
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[14:18] <markedathome> well I can read from the channel, but not post with cat
[14:19] <gnarface> oh, can't help you there
[14:19] <gnarface> are you not running X then?
[14:21] <markedathome> kvirc on win7, the above I would expect on plan9
[14:24] <gnarface> well, plan9 does have a lot better network integration in the tools generally
[14:24] <gnarface> i assumed you were on the raspberry pi though
[14:24] <markedathome> would be using irssi on that
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[14:28] <pelle2> why doesnt even cifs work now..
[14:29] <markedathome> pelle2: what are you using?
[14:30] <markedathome> i think I ended up using gsamba-admin to get samba running
[14:31] <markedathome> gadmin-samba
[14:33] <gnarface> markedathome: you're not running a stock kernel though...
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[14:47] <pelle2> i dont even know what im using
[14:47] <pelle2> whatever came with raspbian
[14:48] <pelle2> perhaps cifs requires uid as well, trying that now
[14:48] <pelle2> i can see all the files on the mounted share fine, just cant write to it
[14:48] <pelle2> the user has write access on the server
[14:48] <gnarface> pelle2: may be not the right write access?
[14:49] <pelle2> the right write access?
[14:49] <gnarface> pelle2: maybe you need to change the sharing properties on that folder on the windows end?
[14:49] <pelle2> its a synology nas, and i think i have configured it correctly, the user has read/write on that share
[14:50] <pelle2> grr, still can't create files or folders
[14:50] <pelle2> i just dont get it
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[14:52] <gnarface> pelle2: there are known issues with many filesystems in raspbian, maybe related
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> gnarface, care to mention some?
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[15:08] <gnarface> gordonDrogon: don't *most* of the local filesystems *not* work in fact, other than ext3 and ext4 and fat32 and like one other?
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> gnarface, it's Linux - most of the filesystems do work in my experience.
[15:09] <gnarface> gordonDrogon: that's *not* been my experience with linux in general.
[15:09] <gnarface> gordonDrogon: but i do it for a living
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> gnarface, get better hardware? (I do it for a living too).
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[15:09] <gnarface> gordonDrogon: well i think the hardware is at issue here but mostly due to it being closed and the support being incomplete still
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> on the Pi - maybe yes.
[15:10] <markedathome> pelle2: sudo mkdir /media/nas ; sudo mount -t cifs -o username=<nas-username> \\\\ip.ad.dd.rr\\sharename
[15:10] <markedathome> pelle2: sudo mkdir /media/nas ; sudo mount -t cifs -o username=<nas-username> \\\\ip.ad.dd.rr\\sharename /media/nas
[15:11] <markedathome> copy files as needed to /media/nas/<whatever sub dir>
[15:12] <markedathome> I have an iomega home cloud drive mounted this way
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[15:15] <pelle2> thats what i did, only first created the dir and then added the mount in fstab
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[15:15] <pelle2> i didnt use the -t or -o flags, though
[15:16] <markedathome> didn't create any fstab entries, I only mount as needed
[15:17] <pelle2> alright
[15:17] <pelle2> do you know what the flags do?
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[15:21] <pelle2> well, now nano just stopped working as well, great
[15:22] <pelle2> -bash: nano: command not found
[15:22] <pelle2> out of nowhere
[15:23] <jakllsch> anything at the end of dmesg?
[15:23] <jakllsch> (assuming you can read that at this point)
[15:25] <markedathome> make sure everything is where it is supposed to be - df ; mount
[15:26] <pelle2> but now copying the files to the share worked.. wtf
[15:27] <pelle2> where do i find dmesg
[15:28] <pelle2> CIFS VFS: server of type Samba 3.2.8 returned unexpected error on SMB posix open, disabling posix open support. Check if server update available.
[15:28] <pelle2> thats the last of dmesg, nothing to do with nano
[15:30] <pelle2> nano is already latest version
[15:30] <pelle2> says apt-get
[15:38] <markedathome> sounds as though you managed to change your path somehow. spawn a new shell and find out whether it is system-wide or just local to your session.
[15:38] * markedathome now has a new rule. REBOOT BEFORE WORKING ON KERNEL SOURCE
[15:39] <markedathome> gnarface: apparently I have a new kernel - Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #371 PREEMPT Thu Feb 7 16:31:35 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[15:39] <markedathome> now to redo all the compilation...
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[15:42] <pelle2> markedathome: i rebooted and it was still gone..
[15:43] <markedathome> which nano - /usr/bin/nano
[15:44] <pelle2> when i try to --reinstall nano or do a dist-upgrade, i get a "catastrophic" error or something like that
[15:45] <pelle2> cannot open file list for package nano: in/out error
[15:45] <pelle2> then it stops
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> type dmesg
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> see if you're getting SD card errors.
[15:46] <pelle2> what should i look for? last line is about the CIFS mount
[15:46] <pelle2> cant see anything associated with sd above it
[15:47] <pelle2> 2.197210] mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address 0003
[15:47] <pelle2> [ 2.205755] mmcblk0: mmc0:0003 SD8GB 7.41 GiB
[15:47] <pelle2> at boot, i guess
[15:47] <pelle2> no error that i can identify anyway..
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[16:07] <pelle2> crap
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[16:08] <gnarface> markedathome: grats
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[16:23] <gordonDrogon> yea, that looks like no error - so maybe it's something else. disk full?
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[16:25] <pelle2> nope
[16:25] <pelle2> could it be a bad SD card or something?
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[16:26] <pelle2> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[16:26] <pelle2> reading files list for package 'nano': Input/output error
[16:26] <pelle2> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[16:26] <pelle2> thats what is says when trying to remove nano or do an upgrade
[16:27] <markedathome> pelle2: do a sudo apt-get clean
[16:28] <pelle2> ok, did that
[16:28] <pelle2> trying to remove nano after that gives me:
[16:28] <pelle2> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[16:28] <markedathome> do a df
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[16:28] <markedathome> look at rootfs and see what the use% is
[16:29] <pelle2> 21%
[16:30] <markedathome> more than enough, 6GB free?
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[16:31] <pelle2> 5,5
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[16:35] <mcoffin> Hey guys, I'm really new to programming on anything but the host machine (outside of FIRST Robotics competitions, where the toolchain is set up for you). Could someone point me at a place that would teach me about building cross-compiler toolchains? (debian specific is OK for multiarch stuff. It would be REALLY' cool if it was for building a raspbian toolchain, but general info is appreciated too)
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[16:37] <mcoffin> sorry my screen disconnected due to user error. Did anybody respond?
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[16:39] <pelle2> this shit seems unfixable
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[16:39] <pelle2> great
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[16:44] <gnarface> pelle2: try fsck. could be bad flash maybe....
[16:44] <gnarface> mcoffin: nobody responded to you, but i would have said that I want to know the answer to that too
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[16:45] <gnarface> mcoffin: last i asked it seems most people avoid having to do that by running an emulated arm system through qemu or some shit
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[17:02] <mcoffin> gnarface: Any reason why they would solve it like that? seems like the cross compiler would be the "right" way to go about it
[17:02] <gnarface> mcoffin: i agree with you, and no
[17:02] <mcoffin> Anyways, I'm working on it but I'm struggling to get debian's build system to use the hard float abi. I built an arm cross compiler though so thats progress
[17:03] <mcoffin> Also, if anybody has gotten the kinect working (with depth data) on the rpi, I'd love to know. That's what I'm working on. Just got tired of the long build times on the rpi's processor
[17:03] <mcoffin> compared to my mega-dev-machine
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[17:03] <gnarface> mcoffin: yea i haven't even got that far. i was trying to build a cross-compiler for a palm t5 a while back and failed then too
[17:04] <mcoffin> Well part of my issue is I installed steam on this machine so it has a newer version of libc6 then the build-deps wants.. but thats just me having a dumb issue
[17:04] <gnarface> mcoffin: don't people use distcc to speed up compile?
[17:05] <mcoffin> gnarface: never heard of it. googlin'
[17:05] <gnarface> mcoffin: oh. yea you should have installed that libc6 and steam in a chroot... painted yourself into the corner on that one you did
[17:06] <mcoffin> gnarface: lol. I'm still not that advanced. I'm just a junior in HS. I'll make a mental note on learning to do things in chroot'd systems.
[17:06] <mcoffin> but is there an easy way to install the versions from wheezy without uninstalling them and screwing up like all my other packages that depend on i
[17:08] <gnarface> not sure really. in theory it should be as simple as manually removing everything it depends on then re-installing the older package... in general downgrades aren't supported though
[17:08] <gnarface> depends a lot on how well packaged your bleeding-edge libc6 is
[17:09] <gnarface> not sure if its safe to just remove it
[17:09] <gnarface> whatever you do... take a backup first
[17:09] <gnarface> dear god always have a backup
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[17:55] <markedathome> mcoffin: for kernel and cross-compiling see http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[18:02] <mcoffin> markedathome: It appears that the binary packages aren't available on debian, just in the ubuntu repos. Are there instructions on building the toolchain from a debian source package for GCC?
[18:03] <markedathome> sorry, no idea. might be more in the kernel topic of the distributions section on the rpi forums.
[18:03] <mcoffin> There was. But it looked like the person gave up eventually
[18:03] <mcoffin> lol
[18:04] <mcoffin> Well I have to re-install debian on my workstation machine anyway, so I'll be back in an hour or two. peace
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[18:24] <dexta> evening
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[18:56] <gnarface> so, can anyone recommend a good but cheap usb wifi device for the pi? preferrably one that still has 802.11b compatibility
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[19:18] <ParkerR> gnarface, The Edimax one is prettygood
[19:18] <ParkerR> Has the rtl8188cus chipset
[19:19] <ParkerR> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315091
[19:19] <ParkerR> $10
[19:20] <ParkerR> I got a Netgear with the same chipset for $24 in store (didnt know about the edimax at the ime)
[19:20] <ParkerR> *time
[19:20] <ParkerR> Been working great for me
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[19:24] <gnarface> thanks ParkerR ... supported by the stock raspbian kernel?
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[19:27] <ParkerR> gnarface, Yes
[19:27] <gnarface> neato
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[19:40] <anunnaki> hey parkerr was that you talking about ppl sending music from their phones to raspberry for parties?
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[19:54] <- *Guest8619* I'm confused
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[20:00] <profil> oh no, my rpi has corrupted the SD card once again
[20:00] <profil> it must be a hardware fault on the pi
[20:00] <vagrantc> do you shutdown before powering it off?
[20:00] <profil> yes ofcourse
[20:01] <profil> but I have had it running for a long time now
[20:01] <profil> and it has happened over time
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[20:04] <gnarface> profil: overclocking, by chance?
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[20:06] <profil> gnarface: hmm, yes by using the turbo mode
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[20:08] <gnarface> profil: i'd suspect that could be related. you disabled journaling on your filesystem for speed too?
[20:09] <profil> gnarface: nope
[20:09] <gnarface> profil: oh. consider that increases wear significantly. the card could actually be losing bits
[20:10] <netw1z> hey guys, Im getting a PANIC: no init found and dropping to a kdb> prompt
[20:10] <profil> gnarface: so you think journaling corrupts the filesystem because it wear the SD?
[20:12] <gnarface> profil: no i'm merely suggesting an alternate hypothesis that the sd card could have gone bad
[20:13] <profil> gnarface: testing it on my other computer, and nothing seems to be wrong with it
[20:13] <profil> only the file system which is corrupted
[20:14] <gnarface> did you try with a fresh format and no overclocking?
[20:16] <profil> on the pi? after the first time a did a fresh format and fresh install
[20:16] <profil> and the turbo mode is on by default isnt it?
[20:16] <gnarface> uh... its on by default but inactive unless you manually raise the max clock speed i think
[20:18] <profil> okay
[20:19] <profil> hmm, but anyways, I'm gonna contact farnell and ask them what to do, hopefully I can return it and get a new one
[20:19] <profil> maybe even the 512MB one :D I got the old 256MB RAM
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[23:01] <nickgaw> Hi, how does the default raspbian installation do this to my drive automatically when nothing exists in /etc/fstab?
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[23:02] <nickgaw> it is from mount /dev/sda1 on /media/My Passport_ type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
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[23:02] <l_r> hello
[23:03] <nickgaw> hi
[23:03] <plugwash> Many linux desktop environments include automounters for removable drives
[23:03] <l_r> how fast is xbmc on raspian compared to the native raspbmc?
[23:03] <plugwash> but I don't know explicitly the name fo the one the lxde setup on the foundation image is using
[23:03] <nickgaw> if X does not start on boot then why does it automount?
[23:04] <plugwash> maybe they are using an automounter that doesn't rely on X or something
[23:04] <plugwash> I'd try something like dpkg -l | grep auto and see if you can spot anything in there
[23:05] <nickgaw> can the my passwort name be entered into /etc/samba/smb.conf with no problems?
[23:05] <nickgaw> my passport_
[23:06] <plugwash> dunno, personally i'd add a fstab entry
[23:06] <l_r> i have heard raspbian has been used as a console for mame games
[23:06] <plugwash> I think most automounters will respect a fstab entry if it's there
[23:06] <l_r> where is the link?
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[23:06] <Stew-a> hi, i'm trying to follow this through - http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMate but it doesn't really explain much about swapping out lxde for mate, could someone please help me out with this?
[23:08] <plugwash> to get rid of lxde try apt-get remove lxdee* openboxx*
[23:08] <plugwash> that page tells you how to install mate
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[23:10] <ParkerR> Mate will be much more resource intensive than lxde or openbox
[23:11] <ParkerR> Stew-a, When you uninstall lxde and install mate, mate will make intself the default window manager
[23:11] <nickgaw> it looks like it is using fuse but nothing in fuse.conf talks about which drives get automounted is this normal and is fuse an auto mounter?
[23:11] <ParkerR> *itself
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[23:11] <Stew-a> right ok, thanks
[23:12] <ParkerR> Stew-a, It explains how to "swap" out lxde for mate under "Starting MATE"
[23:12] <ParkerR> You can use either of those emthods too
[23:12] <ParkerR> *methods
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[23:18] <nickgaw> if browseable is not in smb.conf and read-only is set to no can I browse the share?
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[23:31] <anunnaki> http://pastebin.com/ZTDvs8BQ so is it possible to get linux on this
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[23:32] <ParkerR> anunnaki, Zipit Z2 has a similar processor
[23:33] <anunnaki> i also see cirrus logic EP93xx is also arm 920t based.
[23:34] <anunnaki> ParkerR, if they have similar or the same processor, could i possibly put the same linux versions on mine then?
[23:34] <ParkerR> No because different hardware in other areas
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[23:38] <anunnaki> ParkerR, are 920T and PXA7x the same things? these two number sets are confusing me on what i should lok for
[23:38] <anunnaki> i found a page in my link that a guy made tools for a linux on pxa7x and then i see references for linux on 920T... are these just different names of the same processor?
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[23:44] <ParkerR> anunnaki, Where are you seeing 920t?
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[23:46] <ParkerR> anunnaki, Ok I am just going to say this. Just because a device has an arm processor does not mean that a linux image has been made for it. There are many different hardware combinations that make a one size fits all linux for arm impossible. There need to be linux drivers for all of the hardware that is essential and the hardware you may want to use. Not all devices have enough interest in them for someone to make a linux port. They may be well s
[23:46] <ParkerR> uited for what they do and nobody has even thought about wanting linux on them. It boils down to if someone wants to take the time to find drivers for all the hardware or start to reverse engineer the one that may be available for WinMo
[23:47] <ParkerR> *ones
[23:48] <nickgaw> ok as I removed all of the X windows stuff as talked about in the 84 MB raspbian image but left things in there like gcc and sound and other packages do you think my raspberrypi will run a little faster?
[23:49] <ParkerR> nicdev, Possibly
[23:50] <ParkerR> Althoguh X only takes up resources (CPU and GPU) when running
[23:50] <ParkerR> Just having X installed is not going to do anything really
[23:50] <ParkerR> Maybe some daemons to help X may be running but those can also be easily removed (if other things dont depend on them too much)
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[23:52] <nickgaw> I mainly wanted to free up the space as i don't use the X windows system on the raspberrypi so wanted to get rid of it.
[23:52] <ParkerR> Sweet
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[23:55] <nickgaw> I am also totally blind and X is accessible on normal debian but I currently have a speaker that does not require any power connected to the audio out plug and no matter what I do I can't hear anything out of it when I try to use espeak. Should I try a powered set of stereo speakers instead?
[23:56] <ParkerR> nickgaw, Have you enabled audio output through the headphone jack?
[23:57] <nickgaw> how do you do that?
[23:57] <ParkerR> nickgaw, sudo amixer cset numid=3 1
[23:57] <ParkerR> Then play some audio
[23:58] <nickgaw> after I did that command I got the following message over ssh numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='PCM Playback Route'
[23:58] <nickgaw> ; type=INTEGER,access=rw------,values=1,min=0,max=2,step=0
[23:58] <nickgaw> : values=1
[23:59] <ParkerR> nickgaw, Thats a success message :D At least success that the value was set
[23:59] <ParkerR> Try some audio now
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