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[3:54] <RJ45> does anyone here know the stand-alone mAh of the Raspberry Pi Model B 512MB RAM?
[3:56] <RJ45> agh, please!, I wanna know o_o
[4:00] <RJ45> please someone tell me!, I wanna lie down 0_0
[4:05] <Tachyon`> ahh
[4:05] <Tachyon`> are you having apparent power difficulties?
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[4:06] <Tachyon`> ah, I'm not the only person in the UK up at this hour then, lol
[4:06] <Tachyon`> if you're having issues with the keyboard or hdmi display disappearing seemingly at random
[4:06] <Tachyon`> you might want to try linking out the polyfuse, it does more harm than good
[4:07] <Tachyon`> a B alone should use under 750mA
[4:07] <Tachyon`> but I ran into problems on both mine with the polyfuse restricting the current
[4:10] <RJ45> I am NOT having any power difficulties at all, I don't even have a Raspberry Pi yet!, I just want to know the Raspberry Pi's STAND ALONE usage, with NOTHING connected to it.
[4:11] <Tachyon`> it depends what you're doing with it
[4:11] <Tachyon`> but under 750mA
[4:11] <Tachyon`> obviously if the CPU is at 100% load it's going to use more than at 3% load
[4:11] <Tachyon`> the model A uses about 300mA I think, but the NIC eats a fair but, as does the USB hub on teh B
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[4:13] <RJ45> what is it's max power usage, assuming the CPU is @ 100%, RAM @ 100%, continuous R/W to and from Swap on SD card, BUT not Keyboard, Mouse or anything at-all USB/Networking.
[4:14] <RJ45> (GPU @ 100% too)
[4:15] <Tachyon`> if I had to guess (and I do as I've not measured it) I'd say about 500-600mA
[4:15] <RJ45> hmm
[4:16] <Tachyon`> the NIC/USB hub still eat some power even if nothing is connected to them
[4:18] <RJ45> think I'll be safe with a 700mA Phone Charger if I have 3 Nano USB Transceivers connected to it? (Wifi, Bluetooth, Keybo/Mous)
[4:18] <Tachyon`> if you really need to know I suppose I can get out the meter
[4:18] <Tachyon`> absolutely not
[4:18] <RJ45> wow, 'k
[4:18] <Tachyon`> you'll need at least 1A, ideally 1.5A
[4:18] <Tachyon`> I tried exactly that on my first one, lol
[4:18] <RJ45> 0.0
[4:19] <Tachyon`> you will have to link out the fuse and I'd strongly recommend a 2A PSU, they're available cheap on amazon as samsung galaxy note chargers
[4:19] <Tachyon`> got mine for about a fiver
[4:20] <Tachyon`> you won't need the full 2 but it'd be helpful to have in case you want to add other hardware later
[4:20] <Tachyon`> but 700 isn't going to do it, that I can guarantee
[4:22] <RJ45> do I really have-to defuse the fuse?
[4:23] <Tachyon`> well, I had to on both of mine, there are other ways like supplying the power via a powered USB hub instead of vai the microusb
[4:23] <Tachyon`> it will invalidate the warranty too, but if it's not doa it'll be fine really
[4:24] <Tachyon`> also, you're wanting to use 3 usb devices, so you'll need a usb hub, those also take a fair bit of current on their own
[4:25] <Tachyon`> you can try leaving the fuse as is, but if you get repeating keyboard, sd corruption for no good reason or your HDMI signal dropping out for a second or two from time to time, those are signs of insufficient current being allowed through the polyfuse
[4:25] <Tachyon`> I had a launch 256 b and a newer 512 b, both I had to defuse, lol
[4:26] <Tachyon`> you can just solder a bit of wire across it, easy to reverse later if you want the fuse again
[4:27] <RJ45> yeah yeah yeah ...all the obvious stuff I know :P
[4:28] <Tachyon`> ah, okay, lol
[4:28] <RJ45> but are you SURE I'll need higher than 700mA?, to quote the RaspberryPi FAQ section; "Model B owners using networking and high-current USB peripherals will require a supply which can source 700mA (many phone chargers meet this requirement)."
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[4:29] <Tachyon`> yeah, I know that's what it says and I bought a 750mA supply with my first pi
[4:29] <Tachyon`> it's pure bollocks, lol
[4:29] <RJ45> :-/
[4:29] <Tachyon`> what you can do when you get the pi to see if the supply is insufficient is test the voltage with teh two test points
[4:29] <RJ45> ...more money I can't aford :-(
[4:29] <RJ45> affor*
[4:29] <RJ45> afford*
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[4:30] <RJ45> I has no Multimeter :-( , but I do have a plug-in Watt-o-Meter
[4:30] <Tachyon`> you don't have any other 5v charger that can do more than 750mA? like a kindle charger or anything
[4:31] <Tachyon`> ah, I'm not sure that'd do much good, the supplies aren't 100% efficient
[4:31] <Tachyon`> so it's hard to know what's loss in the psu and what's being used by the pi
[4:31] <Tachyon`> also, those meters are less accurate at lower currents
[4:31] <RJ45> well it's all I got
[4:32] <Tachyon`> borrow a meter?
[4:32] <Tachyon`> what are you intending to use the pi for?
[4:34] <RJ45> I don't know anyone with a meter, and I intend on using the RPi for a lot of stuff
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[4:36] <RJ45> Tachyon`: read ze first review you see http://www.amazon.co.uk/CostMad-Technology-Certified-Approved-Universal/dp/B0045R8LGY/
[4:39] <Tachyon`> yeah, you might think that means any 700mA supply would worok
[4:39] <Tachyon`> but bear in mind some supplies allow you to draw rather more than they're rated for
[4:39] <Tachyon`> luck of the draw
[4:39] <Tachyon`> you can always try it but don't be surprised if you find yourself having to buy another one
[4:40] <Tachyon`> chinese power supplies are often unbelievably shoddy
[4:40] <RJ45> Tachyon`: going by that review, I reckon' I'll be okay with my spare Samsung 700mA charger (it's spare now 'cos the phone got nicked :-( )
[4:40] <Tachyon`> substandard caps, insufficient seperation between primary and econdary
[4:40] <Tachyon`> ouch -.-
[4:42] <RJ45> the Samsung Charger that came with my new Smartphone says "Made in China", BUT the exact same one from the one that got stolen from me says "Made in Vietnam"
[4:42] <Tachyon`> oh, it's okay if it came with the phone
[4:42] <Tachyon`> it's the third party ones that tend to be rubbish
[4:44] <RJ45> yeah, it's actually 'cos mine came with the phone that I'm really hoping it's sufficient for my Raspberry Pi when I get it :D
[4:44] <RJ45> really weird how Samsung has more than one manufacturing plant for the exact same model of Charger
[4:45] <RJ45> not even a difference in Model number, just the 'Made in...' and 'S/N'
[4:45] <adama> why is that weird?
[4:46] <RJ45> who the hell outsources to Vietnam of all places!?! O.o
[4:46] <adama> it's cheap
[4:46] <adama> these days china isn't actually the cheapest place to do things
[4:46] <adama> also, you don't want all of your manufacturing in one location
[4:46] <RJ45> I'd have though Taiwan would be better
[4:46] <RJ45> (in terms of cheapness)
[4:47] <adama> hahahahaha
[4:47] <adama> no.
[4:47] <RJ45> yeah that is true, disaster proofing and what-not
[4:47] <adama> taiwan is expensive.
[4:47] <adama> taiwan is like japan
[4:47] <adama> it's a developed nation
[4:47] <RJ45> oh, wow, nether thought that ^_^
[4:47] <adama> costs there are high
[4:47] <adama> a lot of manufacturing in china is done by companies from taiwan
[4:48] <adama> one of the reasons china hasn't flattened it yet
[4:48] <adama> vietnam is a very poor country
[4:48] <adama> so manufacturing there is cheap
[4:48] <adama> like malaysia, indonesia, etc
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[4:48] <RJ45> I reckon Tokyo would be the absolute most expensive place to manufacture
[4:50] <RJ45> heheh, I think I have a RAM module from United Kingdom, one from Korea, one from Taiwan, and there's probably some other locations I'm missing, , what really amazed me was the one from United Kingdom, I mean who'da thought it eh?
[4:52] <RJ45> they probably rather stupidly made the machine(s) in the UK, and thought it cheaper (in terms of transport) to just leave 'em there, heheh.
[4:54] <adama> there is a RAM assembly facility in newcastle
[4:54] <RJ45> XD
[4:54] <adama> ex-siemens, they neve ropened it, but they built it
[4:54] <adama> not sure who operates it now, if it's even running
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[4:54] <RJ45> they should really re-purpose that
[4:56] <RJ45> hey, what d'ya think would draw more power from a Raspberry Pi?, a Wireless Keyboard, or Wired?
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[5:08] <Tachyon`> wireless, wired ones draw very little...
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[5:08] <Tachyon`> 45mA that one
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[5:08] <RJ45> I has a 100mA wired
[5:09] <RJ45> but the one I use now is 50mA
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[5:15] <RJ45> correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the Wireless RF Keyboard would draw less power @ about 13.3mA. (Source: http://www.ti.com/product/cc2500 )
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[5:16] <RJ45> ;P
[5:17] <Tachyon`> hi
[5:17] <RJ45> correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the Wireless RF Keyboard would draw less power @ about 13.3mA. (Source: http://www.ti.com/product/cc2500 )
[5:17] <Tachyon`> hrm, I wouldn't have thought a radio would use that little but if it says it
[5:17] <RJ45> check the source please, I feel I may be wrong :-/
[5:17] <Tachyon`> I'm looking, it looks right, it's just surprising
[5:18] <RJ45> hmm, cool!
[5:18] <RJ45> I'm just glad I was able to find such a generalized spec! :D
[5:18] <Tachyon`> my logitech one says 55mA on it
[5:18] <RJ45> Wireless RF?
[5:18] <Tachyon`> but that's keyboard and mouse, maybe that makes a difference
[5:18] <Tachyon`> still less than I thought
[5:18] <Tachyon`> aye
[5:19] <RJ45> huh... well I' be damned
[5:19] <Tachyon`> also, it's 5 years old so they're probably more efficient now
[5:20] <RJ45> in comparison to what you said, the Wired one I'm using as we speak is 50mA, and I also have a big-ass Logitech that's 100mA
[5:20] <RJ45> (both wired)
[5:21] <RJ45> so I guess we can safely assume that Wireless RF Keyboards are <= Wired Keyboards in terms of mA
[5:21] <RJ45> (and usually also in terms of Voltage obviously)
[5:26] <Tachyon`> they'd all be 5v I'd think... USB tends to stick you with that
[5:26] <Tachyon`> as does PS/2 actually, lol
[5:26] <Tachyon`> not sure there's ever been a PC keyboard that isn't 5v
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[5:48] <RJ45> Tachyon`: I just got my Wiki on, and according to Wikipedia, the Wattage of the Raspberry Pi is 3.5W, so 3.5W / 5V = 700mA 0.0
[5:49] <RJ45> that can't be right can it?
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[5:49] <Tachyon`> that's the model a I think
[5:50] <RJ45> nope, sez B
[5:50] <Tachyon`> oh, hrm
[5:50] <Tachyon`> I was under the impression the B topped off at about 9W, must be wrong, lol
[5:50] <RJ45> "2.5 W (model A), 3.5 W (model B)"
[5:50] <Tachyon`> ah, maybe you will be okay then
[5:50] <RJ45> "2.5 W (model A), 3.5 W (model B)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[5:50] <Tachyon`> still doesn't explain the problems I had, wonder if I got a dodgy PSU the first time that wasn't doing the 750
[5:51] <RJ45> yeah, but is it 700mA for just the Raspberry Pi?
[5:51] <Tachyon`> no, I mean I must be wrong, not the page
[5:51] <RJ45> sure looks like it!
[5:51] <RJ45> all I has is a 700mA Phone Charger 0.0
[5:52] <RJ45> what about the USB !?!
[5:52] <Tachyon`> I need a model A actually
[5:52] <Tachyon`> want to make a wifi to serial network interface for my amiga
[5:53] <Tachyon`> you know, wifi in, pppd out
[5:53] <RJ45> I just did some guestimations; RF Keyboard/Mouse = 50mA, Bluetooth Transceiver = 100mA, Wifi Transceiver = 120mA
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[5:53] <RJ45> - ish
[5:55] <RJ45> so is the Wiki saying '700mA' for just the Raspberry Pi by itself, or does that account for other stuff?
[5:55] <adama> 700ma minimum to power the raspberry pi
[5:56] <adama> but you probably want 1A or more
[5:56] <RJ45> >.<
[5:56] <adama> what on earth are you plugging all of that stuff in for?
[5:56] <adama> for a start, you only have two USB ports
[5:56] <RJ45> USB hub
[5:56] <adama> use a powered USB hub for anything except a plain keyboard
[5:57] <adama> if you are plugging ANYTHING except a plain keyboard in, use a decent powered hub
[5:57] <RJ45> ugh, no thanks
[5:57] <RJ45> can't I just supply the RPi with higher mA?
[5:58] <Tachyon`> yes, if you link out the fuse
[5:58] <Tachyon`> we seem to have come the full circle, lol
[5:59] <taza> RJ45: Get a powered hub that won't feed power up.
[6:00] <taza> That's kinda the only solution.
[6:00] <RJ45> x.x
[6:01] <RJ45> fackin' RPi :-(
[6:02] <taza> I just use wired Etherbutt and the only things I ever add are a SD card reader or a flash drive.
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[6:04] <RJ45> taza: so with Wired eth0, Booting SD Card, Extra SD Card + Reader, and Keyboard + Mouse, you don't need any other power than the 700mA RasPi?
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[6:08] <RJ45> taza: correct?
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[6:23] <taza> RJ45: Doesn't seem like it, though I'm not precisely running a ridiculous load
[6:23] <taza> And I'm not overclocking
[6:25] <RJ45> I myself will most likely be maxing the load, but without any overclock as I don't like to risk that sorta stuff, not even the smallest risk.
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[6:57] <RJ45> what will pull more mA? a 100mA Bluetooth adapter, or this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-PS-PS2-Game-Pad-Controller-to-PC-USB-Adapter-Cable-/320549237335 AND this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RF-Wireless-Gamepad-Joypad-Game-Pad-Controller-for-Sony-PS2-new-and-in-UK-/271147769210
[6:57] <RJ45> ???
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[7:15] <adama> RJ45: overclocking the rpi is almost zero risk
[7:15] <adama> at the power levels involved, it's very, very difficult to damage the pi
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[7:15] <adama> overvolting is another matter
[7:16] <RJ45> I don't giva shits
[7:16] <adama> but any stable overclock you get at default voltage is 1000% safe
[7:16] <adama> dude
[7:16] <adama> you're an idiot
[7:16] <adama> you've listened to nothing anyone has told you here
[7:16] <RJ45> what will pull more mA? a 100mA Bluetooth adapter, or this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-PS-PS2-Game-Pad-Controller-to-PC-USB-Adapter-Cable-/320549237335 AND this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RF-Wireless-Gamepad-Joypad-Game-Pad-Controller-for-Sony-PS2-new-and-in-UK-/271147769210
[7:16] <adama> you're being ignored now
[7:16] <adama> have fun being an idiot
[7:16] <RJ45> whatever
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[9:32] <RJ45> I JUST RECEIVED MAH SHINY NEW Raspberry Pi!!! ...now all I gotta do is buy a HDMI cable, and a Keyboard/Mouse, and I can actually USE it :-/
[9:33] <OliverJW> you didn't order those at the same time?
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> you don't need a display - you can ssh into it and run it 'headless' ..
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[10:14] <earl2> hi. I'm having trouble followingt his tutorial. http://my-music.mine.nu/images/rpi_raspianwheezy_setup.pdf after installing apache, loclahost/phpmyadmin shows "not found" although the var/www has the link. any clues?
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[10:19] <gordonDrogon> earl2, it's a Debian system - there are plenty of standard debian turorials on setting up a LAMP system out there...
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[10:22] <earl2> gordonDrogon, thanks. of which I'm following the one I showed
[10:22] <earl2> I've just completed step A10 on the linked pdf, meaning ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin from the /var/www folder to create a symlink
[10:22] <earl2> I can cd into it and see phpmyadmin files...
[10:22] <earl2> but I can't see it from localhost/phpmyadmin
[10:22] <earl2> in a browser
[10:22] <earl2> other files, e.g. if I create a test.html are served fine from the /var/www directory...
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[10:43] <vincent_c> earl2: can you run php, e.g. try to see if you can serve a generic phpinfo() page
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[11:22] <earl2> I can type "php" and get a prompt
[11:22] <earl2> or type php -v and get the version
[11:22] <earl2> I don't know what " serve a generic phpinfo() page"
[11:22] <earl2> means
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> it means putting the phpinfo(); function in a php file and seeing if you can see it from a web browser.
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[11:29] <earl2> gordonDrogon: yes, this was done in step a6 and it works
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> so what you need to do now is work out why the apache server is giving you file not found on phoinfo. Check the log-files. They might be under /var/log/httpd or /var/log/apache (I don't know as I don't use Debians supplied apache package)
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[13:50] <squirrel> can i use backports with raspbian?
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[13:50] <squirrel> if so, how
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[16:34] <ukwiz> should this worry me? : Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirrordirector.raspbian.org_raspbian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-armhf_Packages Hash Sum mismatch
[16:39] <sney> ukwiz, just wait a bit and try again
[16:42] <ukwiz> sney: wait a bit as in 10 minutes, or wait a bit as in hours
[16:43] <sney> 10 minutes should be fine. it's a pretty common apt hiccup and it usually resolves itself
[16:46] <ukwiz> sney: Thanks
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[17:23] <uosiu> hello all
[17:24] <uosiu> Is it normal, that raspbian has slow resposiveness after long-term inactivity over ssh?
[17:24] <uosiu> my system is idling (only collectd is working) and after ~60sec of inactivity over SSH I have to type anything and wait ~10sec to get response from system (e.g to see what I typed)
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> only if you're running a program with lots of RAM and your sshd has swapped itself out.
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[17:37] <uosiu> no, I have 30MiB of memory used
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> don't know then. I don't see it myself.
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[17:53] <uosiu> 389 be/4 root 0.00 B/s 0.00 B/s 0.00 % 99.99 % [flush-179:0]
[17:53] <uosiu> this causes iowait on my rpi
[17:53] <uosiu> is it slow SD card?
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> unless you've got something constantly writing.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> log files growing?
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[18:01] <ukwiz> This is still down: gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirrordirector.raspbian.org_raspbian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-armhf_Packages
[18:01] <ParkerR> Thats a local package
[18:01] <ParkerR> Try a apt-get clean
[18:02] <ParkerR> Then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
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[18:02] <linuxboy> pi@raspberrypi ~/RetroPie-Setup $ apt-cache show libts-dev
[18:02] <linuxboy> N: Can't select versions from package 'libts-dev' as it is purely virtual
[18:02] <linuxboy> N: No packages found
[18:03] <linuxboy> pi@raspberrypi ~/RetroPie-Setup $ apt-cache show libsdl1.2-dev | grep ts-dev
[18:03] <linuxboy> Depends: libsdl1.2debian (= 1.2.15-5), libasound2-dev, libcaca-dev, libdirectfb-dev (>= 0.9.22), libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev, libpulse-dev, libx11-dev, libts-dev, libxext-dev
[18:04] <ParkerR> Umm the retropie script should take care of everything
[18:04] <ukwiz> ParkerR: the full message is Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirrordirector.raspbian.org_raspbian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-armhf_Packages Hash Sum mismatch
[18:04] <ParkerR> ukwiz, Again try the clean, update, upgrade
[18:04] <ParkerR> The clean clears that out of cache
[18:04] <ParkerR> And clears the partial folder
[18:04] <linuxboy> ParkerR: it tries to install libsdl1.2-dev which depends on libts-dev which no longer exists
[18:05] <ukwiz> ParkerR: I tried clean and update. the message occurs in the update
[18:05] <ParkerR> ukwiz, Then just wait for the server to be fixed. There really isnt anything you can do until then
[18:06] <ukwiz> ParkerR: is there another server that can be used?
[18:06] <ParkerR> linuxboy, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/armhf/libts-dev/download
[18:06] <linuxboy> ParkerR: why isn't it in the raspbian repos?
[18:06] <ParkerR> just sudo dpkg -i that and it should install
[18:06] <ParkerR> I dunno. Should be
[18:07] <linuxboy> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/raspbian/pool/main/t/tslib/
[18:07] <linuxboy> it's there
[18:07] <ParkerR> ukwiz, The mirrordirector auto choose a mirror
[18:07] <linuxboy> strange
[18:07] <ParkerR> *chooses
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[18:08] <ukwiz> ParkerR: so the mirrordirector is broken?
[18:08] <ParkerR> Possibly. Try looking for a mirror that the director points to
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[18:09] <ParkerR> And replacing the mirror director with the new url in /etc/apt/sources/list
[18:09] <ParkerR> * /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:10] <ukwiz> ParkerR: where is there a list of mirrors?
[18:12] <ParkerR> Not sure
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[18:13] <ParkerR> http://google.com/search?q=raspbian mirrors
[18:13] <ParkerR> * https://www.google.com/search?q=raspbian%20mirrors
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[21:24] <sujal> 2nd pi should be delivered yesterday
[21:24] <sujal> still not here
[21:24] <sujal> and all you do is IDLE!
[21:24] <sujal> and all I do is idle :(
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