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[2:00] <RJ45> does anyone here think a Raspberry Pi Model B running on a 700mA phone charger will be able to alone support a 2.4Ghz Keyboard/Mouse Combo Transceiver, AND a Class 1 Bluetooth Transceiver being used for a Games Controller?
[2:01] <RJ45> ...and if I used Wired Networking, would that take anymore power, or is that set-aside?
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[2:42] <satellit_e> RJ45: I use a 4 way powered hub for keyboard and mouse
[2:43] <satellit_e> 1 A is still minimal for Model B here
[2:44] <RJ45> can we please just pretend I'm never ever getting a powered hub?
[2:44] <satellit_e> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi#Insert_SD_Card shows my setup
[2:45] <satellit_e> ok
[2:45] * Tachyon` feels a sense of deja vu
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[2:45] <Tachyon`> RJ45, why don't you ask in #raspberrypi
[2:46] * satellit_e every one tries....need more power than that
[2:47] <taza> satellit_e: How much can the RPi handle for device power with a 1.2A power supply attached?
[2:47] <RJ45> satellit_e: I plan on my setup being much neater; no Powered HUBs, and all the cables are gonna be much thinner/delicate and more suited for their use.
[2:47] <taza> ... wait, 1.5A
[2:47] <Tachyon`> taza, you'd need to link out the polyfuse to supply more than 750mA of current via the microusb power connector
[2:47] <RJ45> Raspberry Pi has a Fuse, can't go...
[2:47] <RJ45> ...well, what he just said
[2:47] <taza> Tachyon`: I realize that.
[2:47] <taza> It's why I asked.
[2:48] <Tachyon`> well, I'm not sure what the question is, with a 2A supply and no power supply I've run a USB HDD, wifi keyboard/mouse, bluetooth and wifi from mine (and a USB2 unpowered hub)
[2:48] <Tachyon`> no hub power supply*
[2:49] <taza> The plan's to overclock but not overvolt the RPi, run it off a 1.5A supply (mostly to ensure it always does the 700mA rather than hitting that).
[2:49] <Tachyon`> so you can get away with a lot if you lose the fuse
[2:49] <taza> Fuse's staying
[2:49] <Tachyon`> well then it's a waste of time using a 1.5A PSU, even 1A is more than you can possibly take?
[2:49] <taza> Not really.
[2:51] <taza> Tachyon`: I don't use a 1.5A psu to supply 1.5A, I use it because it's the cheapest power supply I can reliably expect to provide 1A
[2:51] <taza> All I'm planning to run is an unpowered hub, keyboard, mouse, DiNovo receiver, SD card reader and an USB memory stick
[2:51] * satellit_e belkin 4 way usb2 hub (powered) lets me do all sorts of things with the extra PRi USB port....
[2:51] <Tachyon`> what's a DiNova receiver
[2:52] <Tachyon`> novo
[2:52] <taza> Wireless keyboard/mouse/etc combo
[2:52] <taza> Bluetooth
[2:53] <Tachyon`> ahh
[2:53] <taza> So yeah, I'm not expecting miracles.
[2:54] <taza> The USB memory sticks are just standard Kingston fare, too.
[2:55] <taza> But yeah, I looked at local power supplies. The 1.5A supply is literally the cheapest power supply that reliably delivers 1A
[2:55] <taza> Most of them say 700mA or 1A and don't really always do that.
[2:59] <RJ45> my previous Smartphone was stolen, so that opened a happy little window of its own by me now having a Genuine Original Samsung 700mA Micro USB charger
[3:00] <RJ45> an much nicer, smaller Micro USB plug too
[3:00] <RJ45> perfect
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[3:11] <RJ45> except for the stupid embeded Arduino, I want this! http://www.udoo.org/
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[3:29] <RJ45> Are Raspberry Pis supposed to come with a 'Certificate Of Authenticity'?
[3:29] <RJ45> ..I heard they should, but mine didn't
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[4:45] <Tachyon`> no certificate with either of mine
[4:45] <Tachyon`> the arduino has major advantages, heh
[4:45] <Tachyon`> for a start it can take 5v without encountering sudden gpio death
[4:46] <Tachyon`> and while level shifting the odd pin is easy enough, when you're doing 8 (or more) of them it can get a bit tiresome
[4:46] <Tachyon`> also, no real time kernel on the pi so for some things an external microcontroller is your only option
[4:47] <Tachyon`> got a gertboard actually for mine although due to a design choice that makes me want to kill someone it was designed to plug directly into the pi, thus blocking things, stressing pins etc. had to remove the socket and replace it with pins so I could use a cable
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[6:51] <madduck> hello, any idea why I might be failing to obtain video data from a UVC device on the USB hub?
[6:51] <madduck> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=706136
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[8:20] <madduck> kernel upgrade fixed it…
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[8:37] * gordonDrogon suspects you are in bed, but the early Pi's had a separate certificate with the CE testing details on them - I suspect that's what you might be thinking about of heard of ...
[8:37] <gordonDrogon> I'm not personally convinced the 5v thing is an issue - there is a lot of 3.3v stuff out there now - and even the Arduino has an on-board 3.3v regulator...
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[15:05] <User_san> Hello, i am having some problems with Raspbian. I am writing the official image to a 2GB flash card, but it corrupts the filesystem every software or hardware reboot
[15:06] <sxpert> use the raspbian installer. much simpler
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> the "usual" suspects are bad power supply or overclocking or an incompatible SD card.
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> sxpert, what's the difference between the official omage and the raspbian installer ?
[15:07] <User_san> after just one reboot, things stop working. I check with fsck and lots of problems are found.
[15:07] <sxpert> the installer will install fresh
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[15:07] <User_san> I am using my TV usb for power source, so i think it's ok
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> but using the official image is installing fresh too. I don't see the difference.
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> User_san, any overlocking at all?
[15:08] <User_san> sxpert: the first run it's ok, i don't think it's an image problem;..
[15:08] <sxpert> gordonDrogon: dumping an image of an sd onto some other brand / model of SD may or may not work properly
[15:08] <User_san> gordonDrogon: not at all
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> sxpert, but he's not doing that he's 'writing the official image' ...
[15:08] <sxpert> gordonDrogon: which is the same thing...
[15:09] <sxpert> dd-ing an image generated on sd A onto an sd B
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[15:09] <gordonDrogon> sxpert, I've no idea what your on about. User_san copies the official image to an SD card, boots it, then the next boot its corrupted.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> User_san, have you got a different SD card?
[15:10] <sxpert> gordonDrogon: as I said. sometimes when you dd an image onto an sd, the controller doesn't like it
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> if you think your power is OK, then the next think to try is a different SD card.
[15:11] <User_san> no, unfortunately it's my only card.
[15:11] <User_san> i got it. I will get another card.
[15:12] <sxpert> also, there are nightshift, gray market, A-level, contraband and outright fake sd cards aroud...
[15:12] <sxpert> see : http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
[15:13] <User_san> My main doubt is if anyone having the same problem. If it isn't the case i will check my hardware
[15:14] <User_san> the current raspbian image is working fine for you all?
[15:14] <sxpert> User_san: I had tested first with a sandisk, that worked well, then, the dude doing purchases here decided to get kingston SDs.. those only lasted a week before insulting with broken sectors and stuff
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> people have had this issue before - and the common causes are power and overclocking.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> I have both sandisk and kingston, working for over a year now, however I have heard reports of counterfeit kingston cards.
[15:15] <User_san> gordonDrogon: Humm, good to know. I will try finding any better (dedicated) power source, and a sandisk card. Ty
[15:15] <sxpert> some kingston appear to be lower quality sandisk
[15:18] <User_san> thank you all for these information
[15:18] <User_san> bye :)
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[15:29] <PasNox> Hi all
[15:30] <PasNox> i did not follow the raspbian news since a while
[15:30] <PasNox> any progress regarding an accelerated X driver for the pi ?
[15:32] <sxpert> works nicely here
[15:33] <PasNox> accelerated x desktop ?
[15:33] <sxpert> the only missing thing is <video> support in chromium ;-)
[15:33] <PasNox> i remember my raspberry not accelerated at all, resulting in sdl lib and linked apps like emulators, games run very slowly
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[15:37] <gordonDrogon> they still run very slowly (relatively speaking)
[15:39] <PasNox> oki
[15:39] <PasNox> so still no X accelerated driver for the pi
[15:39] <PasNox> ;)
[15:41] <sxpert> the one thing I'd like is corrected memory leaks in chromium ;-)
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> I can make SDL run at an acceptible speed, but just a tiny bit of help from the GPU might be good - e.g. using the GPU to 'blit' ... other than that, pure SDL is limited by the host processor on all other platforms anyway.
[15:44] <PasNox> sxpert: hehe
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[15:44] <PasNox> gordonDrogon: by acceptable what do u mean ?
[15:45] <sxpert> PasNox: currently, my display system stays up about 20-some minutes on the 256M raspo
[15:45] <sxpert> it seems the 512 has actually enough to last 24 hours witout crashing
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> acceptable to my BASIC interpreter.
[15:47] <sxpert> https://plus.google.com/118343374260514816907/posts/KNWDnGu7HLD
[15:47] <sxpert> here's my application ;-)
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[17:01] <RJ45> From what I've heard, this http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007PYBOZ4/ref=sr_1_4/276-4894838-4983363 is one of the best SD Cards you can get for the Raspberry Pi, and all-round in-betweener, good R/W and also good Random R/W, perfect.
[17:01] <RJ45> anyone else use that card?
[17:02] <RJ45> an all-round*
[17:02] <RJ45> fuck my typing
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> I have Sandisk ultra class 6's.
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> I don't think you'll get a performance gain in the Pi with a class 10 though.
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[17:28] <RJ45> gordonDrogon: I know, in most cases, with a Class 10, you'd get worse performance, due to bad Random R/W, but apparently the Sandisk Ultra is different, like having the best of all areas.
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[17:32] <RJ45> according to some tests I've seen, the Sandisk Ultra has over DOUBLE the Random Read speed of most other Class 4s (of which is usually odd for a Class 10), and about 5 to 10 times the Random Write speed of the average Class 4
[17:33] <RJ45> ...and you also get the benefits of the Class 10 single large file R/W speeds :D
[17:33] <RJ45> (geez I'd make a real food salesman x.x )
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[17:33] <RJ45> real good*
[17:33] <RJ45> X.X
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[17:38] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> maybe worth trying then.
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[18:03] <RJ45> I recently ordered one for my first Raspberry Pi! :D , can't wait for it to arrive so I can actually use it! ^_^
[18:03] <RJ45> (sorry 'bout delayed response)
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[18:05] <RJ45> worth noting; I got my info 'bout the SD cards from both a Raspberry Pi forum, and other Benchmarking sources.
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[18:06] <Artpicre> Hello
[18:06] <RJ45> ...so yeah... ...seems like the Sandisk Ultra is one of the best for the Raspberry Pi, though I've seen a lot of people use Samsung ones too, might look into that.
[18:07] <RJ45> Artpicre: HELL-o! :-)
[18:10] <Artpicre> RJ45> HELL-o ! :)
[18:10] <RJ45> ^_^
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
[18:11] <RJ45> hael-oh! :D
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[18:19] <RJ45> (average Raspberry Pi controller performance ability = 30MB/s) stated high-performance SD Cards = 30MB/s, - Manufacturer secrets & lies = 24MB/s, - R/W Overhead = 18MB/s, - Controller being used for other stuff too = 14MB/s
[18:19] <RJ45> :-/
[18:21] <RJ45> ...and if ur transferring a shit-loada teeny tiny files, you may find urself limited to 6MB/s or less -_-
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> average? Hm. I've never heard of a Pi being able to read more than ~20MB/sec off the SD before...
[18:23] <RJ45> X_X
[18:24] <RJ45> well that just adds to the suckyness then don't it.
[18:25] <RJ45> (having an SD Card with good Random R/W usually helps when ur transferring a lot of teeny tiny files)
[18:26] <RJ45> (...also helps with boot-up times)
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[18:30] <RJ45> if anyone ever purposely buys a 95MB/s UHS SD Card for their Raspberry Pi, they should have their Raspberry Pi advice ignored forever.
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[18:31] <ShadowJK> RJ45; I disagree
[18:32] <RJ45> why?
[18:33] <ShadowJK> Because many (all?) of the new controller designs with UHS capability have improved random write performance
[18:34] <RJ45> ShadowJK: some of the controllers have UHS capability, buy the SD slot does not, so ur still within limitations
[18:34] <ShadowJK> rj45: sure
[18:34] <ShadowJK> but the difference is more like 4 kilobytes / sec vs 100 kilobytes / sec
[18:34] <ShadowJK> so it's way within bus speed limits anyways.
[18:35] <ShadowJK> It may be a coincidence, but I've tested many cards, and the top 3 for random write performance have all been UHS cards.
[18:35] <RJ45> ShadowJK: plus, extremely high-end SD Cards will give you crappy Random R/W, which is bad for a Raspberry Pi.
[18:36] <RJ45> hmmm
[18:36] <ShadowJK> The fourth best is a class 4 sandisk ultra from 2009 :) (sandisk ultra 2011-2013 are worse)
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[18:37] <RJ45> from what I've gathered, Sandisk Ultra is one of the best for a Raspberry Pi
[18:37] <RJ45> sorry I have-to dis-agree with ya :-/
[18:37] <ShadowJK> I'm sure cheap (read: crap) UHS controllers will be introduced soon enough though
[18:37] <ShadowJK> and then it's pot luck again
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[18:38] <RJ45> ShadowJK: what is ur best Random R/W?
[18:38] <ShadowJK> Well sure, Sandisk Ultra 2012 model is good compared to the competition
[18:38] <ShadowJK> Samsung MicroSDHC Pro
[18:38] <RJ45> really?, figures plz
[18:38] <ShadowJK> (the samsung Plus and Essential are disappointing)
[18:38] <RJ45> figure plz
[18:39] <RJ45> numbuurz
[18:39] <ShadowJK> It does 250 IOPS for a few minutes, then goes down to 20-ish
[18:39] <ShadowJK> 4k random write
[18:39] <ShadowJK> crystaldiskbenchmark claims something higher, iirc
[18:39] <RJ45> what's that is MB/s?
[18:39] <RJ45> in*
[18:40] <ShadowJK> Um, about a meg
[18:40] <RJ45> 'bout the same as I've heard 'bout the Sandisk Ultra ^_^
[18:41] <ShadowJK> Sandisk Ultra does it for half a minute, iirc, then drops to 4kbyte/s
[18:41] <ShadowJK> Basically they've got small caches where small random writes go
[18:41] <RJ45> hmm
[18:42] <ShadowJK> The Samsung Pro is clever, it seems designed with a cache big enough to more or less give good numbers if you run it through the most common benchmark :)
[18:42] <RJ45> shit, just realized the benchmark I saw for the Sandisk Ultra was a Class 6 Ultra!, I've gone and ordered a Class 10 >.<
[18:42] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:42] <ShadowJK> RJ45; also the class10 is uhs
[18:43] <ShadowJK> :)
[18:43] <RJ45> I kno :(
[18:43] <ShadowJK> Btw, some UHS cards that do 20M/s in UHS mode only do 10M in non-UHS mode :(
[18:44] <ShadowJK> I'm guessing their CPU's clock is tied to the bus clock
[18:44] <ShadowJK> so slow bus = slow cpu
[18:45] <RJ45> ShadowJK: so are you saying I've dun fucked myself?
[18:46] <ShadowJK> nah
[18:46] <ShadowJK> I'm using a class 10 uhs-i "android edition" sandisk ultra
[18:46] <ShadowJK> in rPi, it's working nicely
[18:47] <RJ45> ShadowJK: fast boot-up?
[18:48] <ShadowJK> eh, haven't timed it..
[18:48] <RJ45> this'll sound crazy, but although I know you probably have some stuff that'd effect boot time compared to a clean install, could you please make me happy by timing ur boot? :)
[18:48] <ShadowJK> faster than my PC POSTs anyway...
[18:49] <ShadowJK> time from applying power until sd led stops blinking?
[18:49] <RJ45> err, yeah, sure :)
[18:52] <ShadowJK> wifi adapter started blinking at 24 secs, sd stopped blinking at 35
[18:52] <RJ45> 0.0
[18:52] <RJ45> I has hoping for something within the tolerance of 10 secs
[18:52] <RJ45> -_-
[18:52] <ShadowJK> this might be @ 500MHz, I forget
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[18:53] <RJ45> why would you Underclock ur RPi?
[18:53] <ShadowJK> I did that before I discovered it doesn't cut power use
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[18:54] <RJ45> x_x
[18:55] <RJ45> I sure hope mine will at-least fall within 20 secs
[18:55] <ShadowJK> i think I saw a bootchart result in forums
[18:55] <ShadowJK> of about 30s, and it looked mostly cpu bound
[18:55] <RJ45> I'd love to see that 8D
[18:56] <RJ45> the chart that is
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[21:29] <Gontxi> hi to all
[21:29] <Gontxi> someone using omxplayer?
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[21:35] <Mogwai> Gontxi: Yessir!
[21:37] <Gontxi> :) pvt
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