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[12:18] <ovidiu_C> Hello all, i have a little problem connecting the PI with my wireless network, i done everything i know but with no luck. my wpa_supplicant.conf looks like this http://paste.debian.net/1071/
[12:18] <ovidiu_C> can somebody help me please
[12:19] <ParkerR> ovidiu_C, What does your /etn/networking/interfaces file contain?
[12:19] <ParkerR> */etc
[12:20] <ParkerR> */etc/network/interfaces
[12:20] <ovidiu_C> one moment ParkerR
[12:20] <linuxboy> ovidiu_C: is that SSID correct?
[12:20] <ovidiu_C> yes
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[12:25] <ovidiu_C> this is the interfaces file http://paste.debian.net/1073/
[12:26] <ParkerR> ovidiu_C, This works for me http://pastebin.com/27RJsuz5
[12:26] <ParkerR> I dont actually think you define roam in the interfaces file
[12:27] <ParkerR> For roaming I hear adding a network to wpa_supplicant.conf with a network name of any suffices
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[12:34] <ParkerR> ovidiu_C, Is that working?
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[12:34] <ovidiu_C> ParkerR: not working
[12:35] <ParkerR> Hmm
[12:35] <ParkerR> Only difference I see is wpa-roam and wpa-conf
[12:36] <ovidiu_C> uh i didn't change that
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[12:38] <ovidiu_C> still doesn't work
[12:38] <ParkerR> ovidiu_C, Just editing it wont change it. You have to sudo service networking restart
[12:39] <ovidiu_C> done that
[12:39] <ParkerR> Ahh ok
[12:39] <ovidiu_C> even reboot the system
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[12:47] <ovidiu_C> i think its my wifi network's name the problem here
[12:49] <ParkerR> What is your ssid
[12:49] <ParkerR> "root@localhost" is seriously your network name?
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[12:51] <werpington> do you need to escape the @?
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[12:53] <ParkerR> I was just thinking use a sane network name
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[13:20] <larsgk> Can someone tell me when qt5.x is planned to be included?
[13:20] <larsgk> ^ in the main release
[13:22] <muep> when, or if?
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[13:49] <larsgk> muep: I hope "when"
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[13:49] <larsgk> muep: qt5 runs MUCH faster (well.. scene graph, etc.) on the GLES2
[13:50] <larsgk> muep: I see no reason for raspbian to stick with qt4
[13:55] <muep> I see the reason that raspbian so far has mostly stuck to what debian wheezy contains. But I do not really know what raspbian developers intend to do later
[13:58] <sxpert> migrate to whatever sid contains, I guess
[14:00] <larsgk> well... qt5 was (among other things) designed for speed on mobile (which RPi sorta is) ... qt4.x not so much
[14:00] <larsgk> thank FSM for Sebastian (twolife) who is building and providing qt5 for raspbian
[14:01] <larsgk> I would be lost without it :)
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[14:01] <larsgk> oops.. typo "Sébastien" (sorry)
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[14:21] <twolife> larsgk: qt5 is currently being uploaded to debian experimental. after debian wheezy is released (this week-end if there is no more delay) it should appear in the next few weeks in debian unstable. after that, there will be a migration to debian testing "if it works without too many bugs". and only after all that there is a chance it will appear in raspbian. so it will not be anytime soon
[14:29] <larsgk> twolife: ok - I hope you will keep it alive for some time... any plans to change it?
[14:31] <twolife> larsgk: i started to rebuild the packages from debian experimental for the rpi. so i should be able to get rid of my own stuff and simply rebuild what debian provide. it will be much more simple for me :)
[14:34] <twolife> larsgk: but... (there is always a 'but') it will conflict with my old stuff , you will have to remove by yourself the old packages. it 's a pain in the ass to add the conflict/replace field in every single binary packages produced by the official debian packaging
[14:35] <larsgk> twolife: ok
[14:36] <larsgk> twolife: I think I need to refresh with a clean new raspbian anyway before going to the pilot phase .. so a new build, etc. should be fine (as long as it works-ish ;))
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[14:37] <larsgk> twolife: with 5.1 coming anytime soon... there is yet another reason to do a clean migration
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[14:41] <twolife> larsgk: i should be able to provide a test repository before the week-end. that way i will not delete "the good old stuff that work" before i'm sure it works
[14:48] <larsgk> twolife: sounds good :) - especially as I am going to the US to present the current state of the product ( www.empirikit.com ) to potential sponsors ;)
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[14:58] <PasNox> twolife: many months then for the qt5 integration ?
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[15:25] <RJ45> does anyone here know how to change the Raspberry Pi's apt-get repo to the Debian Official repo?, whenever I try to install anything with the built-in Raspbian repo, I just keep getting a loada '404 not found' :-(
[15:28] <muep> RJ45: my impression is that debian packages would not work in raspbian
[15:28] <muep> due to raspbian using a different function calling convention
[15:29] <RJ45> muep: surely Debians ARMHF repo would work okay?, I mean, the Raspian's ARMHF right?
[15:30] <muep> debian has an official armhf build now?
[15:31] <RJ45> muep: yeah (thank fuck for that!), it's mostly 'testing' and 'unstable' though, and it's 'wheezy', anyways, check it out @ packages.debian.org
[15:31] <muep> RJ45: looks like there is an armhf port of debian, but it needs armv7
[15:31] <Mogwai> RJ45: Debian armhf is for ARMv7 architecture and higher .. that's pretty much why Raspbian was started in the first place
[15:31] <muep> the cpu in raspberry pi only does armv6
[15:32] <RJ45> oh FFS! X.X
[15:32] <muep> yeah, raspbian would be much less meaningful (at least for me) if the ports already offered in debian would fit the RPi well
[15:32] <RJ45> then why the hell don't Debian quote 'armhfV7'!?!
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[15:33] <muep> the port listing in http://www.debian.org/ports/ os explicit about armhf needing armv7
[15:33] <muep> *is
[15:34] <RJ45> fucking hell, stupid ARM architectures
[15:34] <Mogwai> RJ45: But for your original problem, did you do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" before trying to install new stuff?
[15:34] <RJ45> I did; sudo apt-get install -f
[15:35] <muep> yeah, your reasons for wanting to use packages from debian sound like something you could just solve instead of working around
[15:35] <Mogwai> RJ45: The important part is the update first
[15:36] <RJ45> well I really don't like to upgrade stuff (please don't ask why), so would I be okay with just update?
[15:36] <Mogwai> RJ45: Otherwise, you might be trying to install old packages that are no longer in the location that apt-get think they are .. thus the 404
[15:36] <Mogwai> RJ45: Yes, just do the update
[15:37] <RJ45> 'k I'll try
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[15:39] <RJ45> in-case ur interested I'm trying to install Totem (along with its Gstreamer) so I can play all my usual media and do UPnP with a plugin
[15:41] <Mogwai> RJ45: You may have better luck with omxplayer or XBMC when it comes to video playback .. but give it a try and see
[15:42] <werpington> which packages are failing specifically RJ45
[15:42] <RJ45> ah, I'm too used-to mah Totem/Gstreamer
[15:43] <RJ45> werpington: SOOO MANY!!!
[15:43] <RJ45> I currently doing the update now anyway
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[15:45] <werpington> i dont have any issues, apt-get retrieved the 233 packages i wouldve needed to install totem
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[15:48] <RJ45> ...here goes try 2 (I have a really shit Internet connection, this will take a loooong time)
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[15:51] <ovidiu_C> Hi all, I'm trying to run fswebcam and capture multiple images because my webcam needs to autofocus, but if I take 5 images, all of them are combined into 1 and multiplied by 5, so basicaly i got 5 images all the same. Is there anything that i could do?
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[15:54] <werpington> how are you triggering fswebcam, command line?
[15:54] <RJ45> why is the default Raspbian image so big when there's barely anything in the OS?
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[15:55] <ovidiu_C> werpington: yes, and the command is: fswebcam -d /dev/video0 /home/pi/img1.jpg /home/pi/img2.jpg /home/pi/img3.jpg /home/pi/img4.jpg /home/pi/img5.jpg --no-banner -r 1920x1080 -F 5 --no-shadow --no-subtitle --no-timestamp
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[15:57] <vagrantc> RJ45: it has a little bit of extra free space, but most of it is actually the amount of space the installed software takes...
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[15:57] <vagrantc> RJ45: if you're talking about the rpi foundation image, that is...
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[16:00] <werpington> ovidiu_C, that's by design. fswebcam [optional options] filename1 [optional options] filename2
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[16:01] <werpington> so essentially youre telling it to save 5 different copies of the same image
[16:02] <werpington> if youre scripting this, then you want to change the filename and run fswebcam everytime you want to capture another image
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[16:03] <ovidiu_C> werpington: indeed i'm trying to script it but my webcam needs to make autofocus so this is the reason i'm trying to get 5 images at the same time
[16:04] <werpington> those images theyre taking, are they usable?
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[16:05] <werpington> you may have to play with the delay or skip options
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[16:05] <ovidiu_C> yes i will use all the images
[16:06] <werpington> ya someones notes for a creative optia said they had to skip frames for the autofocus
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[16:12] <RJ45> vagrantc: when you say it like that, yeah I guess that makes more sense, what with it taking far too long to extract everything if it was all like an ISO image
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[16:34] <RJ45> hey, you know Raspberry Pi apt-get is by default, set to install all RECOMMENDED packages ans-well as installing what you ask it to yeah., why in the hell 'Nautilus File Manager' is recommended for 'Totem Media Player' is anybodies guess :-/
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[16:37] <sney> a lot of gnome applications recommend each other
[16:38] * RJ45 *face-palm*
[16:39] * sney shrug
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[16:39] <RJ45> I mean, I planned on installing Nautilus anyway ...but for organizational purposes, I would prefer to install separately x.x
[16:39] <vagrantc> then disable recommends...
[16:39] <sney> it's something carried over from debian. having a lot of gnome components that integrate with each other is not usually a bad thing
[16:39] <taza> RJ45: So turn off recommended packages?
[16:40] <vagrantc> and deal with the consequences of "why doesn't feature X work?"
[16:40] <RJ45> well I figured that 'recommended packages' would have a little more sense in it :-/
[16:40] <taza> RJ45: dealwithit.jpg. Ubuntu used to have OpenOffice as a demanded package for English support.
[16:40] <sney> they are components of the same desktop environment and they integrate with each other. within debian's usual setup for recommends, it does make sense.
[16:41] <sney> the depends/recommends/suggests architecture was not rebuild from the ground up for the space and resources constraints on the raspberry pi.
[16:43] <taza> As long as it's only "recommends" rather than "depends", you should count yourself lucky.
[16:44] <taza> Though, if it was "depends" rather than "recommends", it'd get fixed... eventually...
[16:44] <sney> I would recommend using apt-get --no-install-recommends on certain apt runs rather than disabling it globally
[16:45] <sney> and if a package you want was brought in as a dep or recommend by something else and you wanted it installed separately for whatever crazy reason you can just do 'apt-get unmarkauto packagename' for the same result
[16:46] <taza> sney: Any way to force away depends?
[16:47] <taza> Because that comes in handy when I know that a package is built with a dependency it doesn't really need.
[16:48] <vagrantc> you could create fake packages with equivs
[16:48] <taza> Yeah, I did create fake packages last time that happened.
[16:48] <sney> you can use -m if the unwanted dependencies aren't available. or you can install a .deb locally with the force option. neither is really worth it
[16:48] <taza> Fake packages it is.
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[17:03] <RJ45> I tried using Totem, but all the video was about 0.2FPS >.< ...so now I'm gonna go try VLC, I'll keep y'all posted.
[17:04] <RJ45> at-least now I has pretty much most of Gstreamer and Nautilus thx to the 'Retarded', er, I mean 'Recommended' packages.
[17:05] <RJ45> (BTW, increasing Mem split to 256MB didn't help at all)
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[17:21] <TheJH> RJ45, uh, you know about omxplayer, right?
[17:22] <RJ45> well, VLC sucked Donkey Kong's cock, I tried everything I could to get sound or video to work, but nope, even worse than Totem, at-least Totem had sound
[17:22] <RJ45> TheJH: omx?
[17:22] <RJ45> TheJH: wasat?
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[17:24] <TheJH> RJ45, afaik omxplayer is the only video player for the pi that has GPU acceleration. you can play fullscreen videos with it and it works fine
[17:25] <RJ45> well, technically VLC has good GPU acceleration, though what ur talkin' 'bout is probably the only GPU acceleration that works on RasPi
[17:25] <RJ45> ...okay, I guess I has no fk'n choice :-(
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[17:31] <RJ45> TheJH: I tried omx in command line, but there's no sound, what's up?
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[17:43] <RJ45> fuck me, omxplayer is the worst player I've ever used!
[17:43] <RJ45> I actually had-to reboot my system 'cos it wouldn't close!
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[17:55] <TheJH> RJ45, hahaha, no, because you have no idea how it works :D
[17:56] <RJ45> I tried everything.
[17:56] <TheJH> RJ45, CTRL+C to stop it. your screen probably still is messed up afterwards, but after a full screen redraw (happens e.g. when you switch virtual console) everything is good again :)
[17:57] <RJ45> I tried that, did not work.
[17:57] <TheJH> uuuh... ok
[17:57] <RJ45> just kept playin'
[17:57] <RJ45> must be a bug of sorts
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[17:58] <TheJH> RJ45, sure ythe terminal window you used had focus at that time?
[17:58] <RJ45> fuck it, I'm just gonna wipe the Card, re-.IMG, and do everything again.
[17:58] <TheJH> uhhh... are you sure?
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[17:58] <RJ45> TheJH: can't re-focus a terminal when there's a big fuck-off video in the way.
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[18:00] <TheJH> RJ45, well, then just do CTRL+ALT+F2, pi, enter, raspberry, enter, killall omxplayer, enter
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[19:23] <lordievader> Good evening.
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[19:27] <RJ45> okay, I've re-wiped and re-imaged the SD, and now I've just changed all the settings to exactly how I want then (AGAIN), now how does one make their own .IMG?, I really don't wanna have-to go though so much crap whenever I wanna re-IMG
[19:28] <TheJH> RJ45, are you on linux?
[19:29] <RJ45> TheJH: haha, hells yeah!
[19:29] <RJ45> is it a dd thing?
[19:29] <TheJH> RJ45, same command as for flashing, but replace the input and the output
[19:29] <TheJH> RJ45, yes, right
[19:29] <TheJH> s/replace/swap/
[19:30] <RJ45> could you please paste the command? (pwetty pwease?)
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[19:31] <TheJH> RJ45, which command did you use for flashing the image to the sd card?
[19:32] <RJ45> TheJH: Ubuntu Image Write (has nice GUI)
[19:34] <TheJH> RJ45, ugh. eh, well, first figure out which device the sdcard is at. probably something like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc or so. then make an image like this: `dd if=/dev/sdX of=my_image.img`
[19:35] <RJ45> thanks man, is the .img gonna be the size of the whole freakin' card, or just the size it needs to be?
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[19:36] <vagrantc> RJ45: the whole device
[19:36] <RJ45> is there something I can append to command to limit size?
[19:37] <vagrantc> you could truncate it, but it might corrupt the resulting image
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[19:37] <RJ45> truncate?
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[19:38] <vagrantc> RJ45: it's an english word
[19:38] <gnarface> you could resize the partition in it, THEN truncate *carefully* ... i've succeeded at that before
[19:38] <vagrantc> yeah, that's probably feasible.
[19:38] <RJ45> so I resize in Gparted, then what?
[19:39] <vagrantc> but basically, for the first 100MB, dd if=/dev/YOURDEVICE of=IMAGE.img bs=1024k count=100
[19:39] <TheJH> RJ45, you could just compress the image. much easier and safer.
[19:39] <gnarface> RJ45: then you truncate however much you like but make sure you only truncate unpartitioned space
[19:39] <vagrantc> yeah, compressing the image is really a good idea.
[19:39] <RJ45> people people!, I am a noob!
[19:40] <RJ45> treat me as the noob I am!
[19:40] <vagrantc> RJ45: then just live with the full image size
[19:40] <RJ45> x.x
[19:40] <TheJH> `dd if=/dev/sdX | gzip > my_image.img.gz`
[19:40] <gnarface> RJ45: familiarizing yourself with dd and gparted is not a waste of time in this endeavor.
[19:40] <TheJH> and then, to lash the image later: `gunzip < my_image.img.gz | dd of=/dev/sdX`
[19:40] <vagrantc> RJ45: either be willing to learn, or accept limitations, you can't have it both ways.
[19:40] <gnarface> RJ45: careful with dd though; there's no safety
[19:41] <TheJH> s/lash/flash/
[19:41] <RJ45> I'm willing to learn, but I can only learn at a pace.
[19:41] <gnarface> RJ45: oh the part i should have mentioned about *carefully* is; it will require basic aritmatic skills
[19:41] <gnarface> basically you have to do everything by block count
[19:41] <RJ45> -_-
[19:41] <gnarface> yea, i know. its painful, but to do this safely you gotta know how many blocks your partition takes up
[19:42] <gnarface> so you can subtract that amount from the current image size
[19:42] <gnarface> then what's left over is how much you can truncate
[19:42] <gnarface> what was the question again? why is it you don't actually want the full-size image?
[19:43] <RJ45> wait wait wait, please someone tell me what 'truncate' means?
[19:43] <gnarface> by truncate i mean literally use dd to copy the image, but only tell it to copy "X" blocks, where "X" is some value less than the total amount of blocks the image takes up. that's how you truncate disk images
[19:44] <gnarface> but you will of course lose data if your number is too small
[19:44] <gnarface> conceptually it is as simple as the command to do it
[19:44] <RJ45> I really wish people would say 'cut' instead of 'truncate' -_-
[19:44] <gnarface> sorry
[19:44] <gnarface> terminology is a tripping point; its important to come to an agreement
[19:45] <RJ45> :-/
[19:45] <gnarface> it gets easier
[19:45] <gnarface> this is how you practice
[19:46] <RJ45> is it that all I have-to do is open Gparted, add-up how many MB is used per partition (and add swap), then use that number in a command?
[19:47] <gnarface> RJ45: basically yes. i think you have to account for the partition headers and boot sector and possibly some other offset padding values
[19:47] <gnarface> RJ45: but i believe gparted shows you the data relatively plainly
[19:47] <vagrantc> RJ45: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/truncate
[19:48] <RJ45> so, what I said, and also add 200MB to be safe?
[19:48] <gnarface> RJ45: probably, but sorry i don't have enough info to know
[19:48] <RJ45> oh, ok
[19:49] <gnarface> RJ45: you shouldn't have to add more than 1 or 2 MB "to be safe" if you did the math even remotely right
[19:49] <gnarface> RJ45: here's my suggestion: start by making a full copy of the whole thing, then open THAT in gparted, then post a screenshot
[19:50] <RJ45> is there some sorta geek voodoo I have-to do when it comes to block size?, like, do I have-to get everything perfect to the byte?
[19:53] <PhotoJim> if you don't want it to be slower than it could be, yes
[19:53] <PhotoJim> err, as fast as it could be
[19:54] <RJ45> so I just do it to the nearest estimated MB?
[19:55] <gnarface> RJ45: what does this command give you? fdisk -l [image]
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[19:56] <RJ45> I'm not making am IMG then editing it, I really wanna get it right first time and not be here all day.
[19:56] <RJ45> an*
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[19:57] <gnarface> RJ45: trust an old man. this is your first time. do the work on a *copy* of your actual data.
[19:57] <gnarface> RJ45: impatience loses data
[19:57] <RJ45> are .IMGs easy to edit?
[19:58] <gnarface> yes, you will be able to edit them in the exact same fashion as a real disk
[19:58] <gnarface> linux userland tools don't draw a distinction
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[19:59] <RJ45> *sigh*, okay, c'ya next year when dd's finished transferring a full 32GB over USB 2.0 -_-
[19:59] <Bushmills> impatience fails to destroy data if that was the goal to begin with
[20:00] <gnarface> RJ45: hah. 7 hours max. you'll probably be done within 4.
[20:00] <gnarface> RJ45: next time do the manipulation ahead of time on a local harddrive as an img file to begin with. then don't write it to the SD card till you got it sized right.
[20:01] <RJ45> would it transfer faster it I where able to re-partition everything smaller in Gparted first?, or is dd gonna copy the unallocated space too?
[20:01] <gnarface> RJ45: real spinning-platter harddrives are WAY faster than even the best SD cards to-date (some day this will change, but it won't be any time soon)
[20:01] <gnarface> RJ45: unfortunately dd is very low level. it will copy the unpartitioned space too.
[20:02] <RJ45> >.<
[20:02] <RJ45> BTW, I had-to do the manipulations on an actual RasPi
[20:02] <RJ45> soo yeah.
[20:03] <RJ45> 'aight, before I do this shit, I want it all lookin' professional first, so how does one manipulate the BASH backlog?
[20:03] <gnarface> not sure what you mean by "manipulate"
[20:03] <RJ45> I wish to forge a BASH log
[20:03] <Bushmills> the rm command is a great file manipulator
[20:04] <gnarface> RJ45: you can probably type the up arrow or ctrl-p to scroll back through your bash history
[20:04] <gnarface> RJ45: and ctrl-r should give you a prompt to enter a string to search through it in reverse
[20:04] <Bushmills> log as in "command line history"?
[20:05] <gnarface> RJ45: there are other options for traversing it (like !N where N is a index number of the command in reverse) but i think you have to turn that on manually
[20:05] <RJ45> no, I want to forge the log so I can delete all previous commands, and insert some artificial scroll-up
[20:05] <gnarface> RJ45: oh. just edit the ~/.bash_history, i think
[20:05] <RJ45> 'k thx
[20:06] <gnarface> RJ45: note I never tried that myself so i'm just guessing. if you want to figure out if there's a more kosher way to do it it would be in the bash man page
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[20:06] <Bushmills> history -c for deleting all prev commands
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[20:07] <RJ45> Bushmills: I don't wanna do that. I wanna make some fake history ;-)
[20:08] <Bushmills> "(21:05:09) RJ45: no, I want to forge the log so I can delete all previous commands,..."
[20:08] <Bushmills> just answering what you asked
[20:08] <RJ45> "..., and insert some artificial scroll-up"
[20:09] <Bushmills> well, history is a plain ascii file.
[20:09] * vagrantc thinks it just looks sloppy to leave anything in bash history
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[20:10] <Bushmills> history command has more options, including -s for injecting linies
[20:11] <Bushmills> lines
[20:15] <gnarface> vagrantc: you disable history?
[20:16] <gnarface> myself i was just trying to figure out how to get it to be a shared merge of all that users's open terminals' histories
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[20:16] <vagrantc> gnarface: for an image i would publish? yeah, i'd delete history.
[20:16] <gnarface> kinda sucks that they're window specific and there's no real easy way to make sure which one it decides to keep after you close a dozen terminals
[20:17] <gnarface> vagrantc: oh i thought you meant like, even in your own images
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[20:41] <RJ45> how does one clear command history?, I tried 'history -c' but it only clears it that session, next session all old history is back!
[20:42] <vagrantc> rm ~/.bash_history after you've logged out.
[20:43] <RJ45> that file does not exist
[20:43] <gnarface> RJ45: ... in every home directory and /root
[20:44] <vagrantc> i.e. /root/.bash_history, /home/*/.bash_history
[20:44] <vagrantc> export HISTFILE=/dev/null ; rm ~/.bash_history ; exit
[20:45] <vagrantc> that ought to clear it.
[20:45] <vagrantc> for a given user.
[20:46] <gnarface> RJ45: don't be daunted by HOW MUCH there seems to be to learn right now
[20:47] <RJ45> that looks very unnecessary I'll just root into pcmanfm and delete it with that.
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[20:48] <gnarface> RJ45: Linux will be an environment in which you'll find an unprecedented amount of things to learn but trust me its worth it not to skip over the basics.
[20:48] <gnarface> RJ45: most stuff is harder but that's only because it makes you smarter
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[20:48] <RJ45> gnarface: I've been using Linux based OSs for over 3 years
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[20:52] <gnarface> RJ45: well good. don't give up now; if you can make it to 10 years you'll be impervious to external pollutants
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[20:53] <gnarface> RJ45: oh, congrats, by the way. most users turn back at about 3 days
[20:53] <gnarface> RJ45: this marks you as a dyed-in-the-wool intellectual. don't be shy; embrace it and forgive linux for being somewhat getto
[20:54] <gnarface> (it was largely raise by very poor people)
[20:54] <RJ45> gnarface: after the things I've learned and seen, I'd rather not understand how to use any OS for the rest of my life that go back to Microsoft Windows
[20:55] <RJ45> Microsoft and Apple are ABOMINATIONS
[20:56] <RJ45> especially Apple
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[20:56] <gnarface> RJ45: those of us who are old enough to remember Microsoft's first efforts place them somewhat below apple still.
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[20:57] <gnarface> RJ45: but in Linux there is a tradeoff. the tradeoff is you have to learn to do it yourself
[20:57] <gnarface> RJ45: (but people stop raping you daily in the anus, so that's a bonus)
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[20:57] <gnarface> RJ45: the trick is to find a helpful user group who will point you in the right direction for methods and documentation
[20:58] <gnarface> *this* channel isn't bad but you have to be very patient as its low traffic
[20:58] <RJ45> I don't care if I ever fully grasp Linus OSs, I'd rather be stuck with nothing but the BIOS itself than use anything by Microsoft or Apple as my main setup.
[20:58] <RJ45> Linux*
[20:58] <gnarface> trust me, you're making it harder on yourself than you need to
[20:59] <gnarface> Linux doesn't obscure propretary info the way apple or microsoft products do
[20:59] <RJ45> this conversation is suspended.
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[20:59] <gnarface> ok well then i wish you ... good luck
[20:59] <gnarface> not that you'll find any of it with your current attitudes
[21:00] <gnarface> you've doomed yourself to a long and painful battle with an unseen mysterious enemy that will eventually turn out to be yourself
[21:00] <sney> ^
[21:01] <sney> 3 years of experience with the general principles is a good starting point to actually get good at it, though. it would come easily.
[21:01] <gnarface> i would say if you were head-first in a linux-only environment, sure
[21:01] <sney> linux tells you everything, it's not as opaque as the microsoft product. lots of informative feedback.
[21:01] <gnarface> i would say 3 years of actually using windows+mac to try to boostrap a rasbperry pi without learning fuck-all about linux though... that on the other hand is an utterly flawed approach
[21:02] <sney> just gotta resist that urge to approach problems with a rigid idea of what's going to happen
[21:02] <ParkerR> Linux doesnt always tell you everything but part of the experience is getting it to work when the odds are against you
[21:02] <sney> meh, I started out with a few years of bludgeoning my way through a bunch of very broken debian potato and slackware 7/8 setups on old hardware.
[21:02] <gnarface> wow that's brutal
[21:03] <gnarface> i tried to switch to debian at woody and failed
[21:03] <gnarface> didn't succeed till sarge
[21:03] <gnarface> since then i've been debian-only for the most part
[21:03] <ParkerR> Wheezy has been great for me
[21:03] <gnarface> redhat was good in the late 90's
[21:03] <gnarface> they were the poster boy
[21:03] <gnarface> they lost their calling though
[21:04] <sney> the result of my early experiments is I'm very familiar with lib dependencies and I can usually infer what kind of bad decisions new users are making while helping in #d
[21:04] <gnarface> now ubuntu is eating their lunch but its gonna end the same for ubuntu
[21:04] <sney> and debian will just keep going, probably
[21:04] <ParkerR> Hard for the base of many distros to die
[21:05] <sney> fell on some hard times during sarge, and it'll take a long time for many parts of that era's reputation to go away
[21:05] <sney> but tied for most popular webserver OS isn't too shabby either
[21:08] <gnarface> heh
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[21:08] <gnarface> yea, if the version that attaned that credential wasn't lenny, that is
[21:08] <gnarface> (a year + after we stopped its support)
[21:08] <sney> well, the last graph I saw still had it going back and forth between $current_stable and CentOS
[21:09] <gnarface> ouch
[21:09] <gnarface> that's worse
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[21:09] * sney shrug
[21:09] <gnarface> but etch and up have worked great for me
[21:09] <sney> they both have stability mandates and huge user bases.
[21:09] <gnarface> i just wish i would stop seeng lenny installs on virtual servers and the client is like "no we can't upgrade omgz!!!"
[21:09] <sney> and I know if I have to deal with a webserver, if it's debian or CentOS, I know what to expect and anything dumb is the host's fault
[21:10] <sney> yeah, I have a squeeze vps right now, not sure what's going to happen there in a couple weeks
[21:10] <RJ45> instead of doing the dd img thing, would it be possible to just remember the partitions and make a drg&drop copy of all the files?
[21:10] <RJ45> literally, just copy and paste
[21:11] <sney> RJ45, you could do that but you'd lose the part of the image that makes it bootable
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[21:12] <gnarface> RJ45: what he means is that will work but it will leave extra steps to do. its not an easier approach and it won't keep you from learning how to create an image that contains a viable boot sector.
[21:12] <sney> you could use a cron job and tar to make periodic backups of your data and configurations to some other host on your network. then if you had to restore for whatever reason (borked sd card comes to mind) you can just use your last image and then restore your data after you boot
[21:13] <gnarface> RJ45: its a harder approach and afterwards you'd have to still create all that work over from scratch.
[21:13] <RJ45> sney: wouldn't using the standard Raspbian image to make the boot sector, then replacing the resulting files work?
[21:13] <ParkerR> I like dd'ing my whole card. Makes for a nice simple backup
[21:13] <sney> yes, but it doesn't reduce your workload
[21:13] * gnarface knows that would work but also knows its harder to do
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[21:13] <sney> and mounting a specific partition within a disk image is a minor pain in the ass
[21:14] <gnarface> well
[21:14] <ParkerR> Ive seen a way to just mount part of a disk image
[21:14] <sney> you do it with losetup. but sometimes there's trial and error to get the right spots.
[21:14] <gnarface> `echo $((512*2048))` usually works for me inline
[21:14] <RJ45> fock it, I'll do both
[21:14] <ParkerR> Dont remember what it was
[21:14] <gnarface> RJ45: whatever you do, do the backup first! dd the whole SD card to a local harddrive and work on THAT copy. trust me you don't want to be working on your only copy if you make a mistake
[21:15] <ParkerR> http://madduck.net/blog/2006.10.20:loop-mounting-partitions-from-a-disk-image/
[21:15] <RJ45> I shall rape my SD Card with DD first then.
[21:16] <ParkerR> How is it raping your SD card?
[21:16] <gnarface> RJ45: use a larger block size; it will go faster. (try 1MB or even 4MB)
[21:17] <RJ45> gnarface: I don't know how.
[21:17] <ParkerR> bs=4M
[21:17] <ParkerR> Add that to the dd line
[21:17] <RJ45> ParkerR: thx
[21:17] <RJ45> you see everyone!, when helping me, ur answers should be more like ParkerR's!!!
[21:17] <gnarface> RJ45: in rare cases, 4M won't work with some flash drives, but 1M will work almost everywhere
[21:18] <gnarface> RJ45: sorry... just trying to help you with the theoretical more. its really important when you're new to build up a solid foundation
[21:19] <gnarface> and working with the rasbperry pi inevitably is working with flash
[21:20] <RJ45> before I dd, I need to clear up some space, as I just can't yet accommodate such an ass-hat of a file.
[21:20] <gnarface> though... i have often wondered about how many disks i could get attached via USB feasibly in some sort of raid array
[21:20] <gnarface> RJ45: do you have a lot of free ram?
[21:20] <gnarface> RJ45: you could use a ramdisk...
[21:21] <RedSquare99> hey
[21:21] <RJ45> gnarface: 4GB :-( (with about 2GB to spare)
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[21:21] <gnarface> RJ45: space can be an issue. i generally have learned to keep a lot of spare storage of various forms laying around, so i'm never sweating something as small as 32gb.
[21:22] <RJ45> I wish I had over 32GB of RAM heheh
[21:22] <sney> gnarface, for the usb disk array your upper limits are just USB 2.0's bandwidth and whatever maxes out md
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[21:22] <sney> maybe there'll be an updated pi at some point that uses usb 3.0
[21:22] <RJ45> BTW, I do know how to create a RAMdisk, and I think it's one of the coolest things in Linux ever.
[21:22] <gnarface> RJ45: where are you? if you're somewhere near a Fry's you can usually get flash on sale in various forms periodically
[21:22] <sney> most computer cruft stores have sales on usb drives and things
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[21:23] <RJ45> I'm just gonna clear up some shit okay.
[21:23] <gnarface> i think newegg has 1TB laptop harddrives on sale
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[21:32] <ParkerR> Heh neat that worked (mounting a partition from the disk image http://pastebin.com/F82v5xNk
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[21:38] <gnarface> ding ding ding!
[21:38] <gnarface> we have a winner
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[21:38] <gnarface> ParkerR++
[21:38] <gnarface> ParkerR: you can use the loop device to make it easier though
[21:38] <ParkerR> Eh Im used to mount
[21:38] <gnarface> you still use mount
[21:39] <gnarface> but if you mount the first partition on loop 0 with an offset to it
[21:39] <gnarface> then you can easily mount the subsequent partitions in order on loop 1 - X
[21:39] <RJ45> heheh, I was able to clear up half the space I need, by deleting a no-longer relevant backup of a Micro SD, no-longer relevant backups of Stepmania songs, and a no-longer relevant backup of some ROMs, and also moving some ISOs., ...now just 16GB to go.
[21:39] <gnarface> just a neat trick to know
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[21:39] <ParkerR> Ahh
[21:39] <gnarface> useful especially if you are doing qemu / kvm
[21:40] <gnarface> style virtual machines
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[21:40] <ParkerR> Kinda curious. What happenes if I adjust the number by 1...
[21:40] <gnarface> i think it mounts successfully but you don't see any valid data
[21:40] <gnarface> and if you write to it it hoses everything
[21:41] <ParkerR> I believe that
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[21:41] <gnarface> no safety, be careful where you point it :)
[21:41] <ParkerR> gnarface, mount -r :P
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[21:44] <gnarface> so it goes like this for me i think: mount -o `echo $((512*2048))` /var/tmp/kvm_qemu_raw.img /dev/loop0 && mount /dev/loop0 /dev/loop1 && mount /dev/loop1 /mnt
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[21:45] <gnarface> or something
[21:45] <gnarface> skipping internal swap partition
[21:45] <ParkerR> gnarface, Hah off by one doesnt mount user@ChrUbuntu:~/backups$ sudo mount -r -o loop,offset=$((122881 * 512)) sdcard.img mount/
[21:45] <ParkerR> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[21:45] <gnarface> NOTE: i might have got those command-line options out of order though
[21:45] <ParkerR> Since it cant detect filesystem type
[21:45] <gnarface> oh
[21:46] <gnarface> interesting
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[21:46] <gnarface> that makes sense i guess
[21:46] <gnarface> what if you specify a type though?
[21:46] <ParkerR> Heh
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[21:47] <ParkerR> ...
[21:47] * ParkerR wishes geb would update ZNC
[21:48] <ParkerR> ZNC > 1.0 has updated channel join code that avoids excess floods
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[21:48] <ParkerR> * >= 1.0
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[21:51] <gnarface> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
[21:51] <gnarface> never be short on storage
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[21:51] <gnarface> http://rosewill.com/products/s_903/productDetail.htm these guys make good usb adapters
[21:51] <gnarface> i think they have externally powered ones too
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[21:52] <ParkerR> gnarface, Heh I got a 1tb external Seagte around Black Friday for $60
[21:52] <ParkerR> Its sad that I dont have a computer that can use that WD drive
[21:52] <gnarface> ParkerR: that's why i linked the usb adapter next
[21:53] <ParkerR> Heh
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[21:53] <gnarface> ParkerR: herehttp://rosewill.com/products/903/ProductDetail_Overview.htm#/Mgnt/Uploads/ImagesForProduct/041018eb5891abba02cb9fa2aeb8980f.jpg
[21:53] <gnarface> ParkerR: i mean here: http://rosewill.com/products/903/ProductDetail_Overview.htm#/Mgnt/Uploads/ImagesForProduct/041018eb5891abba02cb9fa2aeb8980f.jpg
[21:54] <gnarface> i think that's the right link to the main product page... looks weird though
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[21:54] <ParkerR> Heh nice
[21:54] <gnarface> but basically its an externally powered universal drive adapter to usb
[21:54] <ParkerR> I had one similar to that
[21:54] <ParkerR> *I've
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[21:58] <gnarface> it should totally work with the raspberry pi
[21:58] <gnarface> though i admit i haven't tested it yet with mine
[21:58] <gnarface> i did test it with a plextor cd-r/rw drive
[21:59] <gnarface> and it totally burned free
[21:59] <gnarface> :)
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[21:59] <gnarface> which i didn't expect at all
[21:59] <gnarface> i didn't even think it was rated for IDE CD-RWs
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[22:10] <RJ45> okay, I've just-about been able to clear up enough space.
[22:10] <RJ45> time for the dd
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[22:13] <RJ45> does gzip-ing it as it's dd-ing make it automatically as small as it could be?, like removing the excess space turning a 32GB dd into a 2GB dd?, is that how it works?
[22:15] <dwatkins> RJ45: I don't think you can compress whilst writing to the SD card - it won't be readable
[22:15] <dwatkins> or are you reading from it and gzipping?
[22:15] <RJ45> the later, yes.
[22:16] <RJ45> making a dd .img
[22:16] <RJ45> but gzip-ing as it goes
[22:16] <dwatkins> it's probably much faster to dd with bs=1m and then gzip afterwards, so it can look for common patters across the entire file
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[22:16] <RJ45> gonnahave-to take ur word for that.
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[22:27] <RJ45> OKAY EVERYONE, before I go ahead an fuck something up, can anyone here see a problem with this commend?:..
[22:27] <RJ45> # dd if=/dev/sdc2 bs=4M of=/dev/sdb1/Cust_RasPi.img
[22:27] <RJ45> command*
[22:27] <sney> yes, /dev/sdb1 isn't a mount point or a directory
[22:27] <Tachyon`> gzip doesn't do dictionary compression
[22:27] <Tachyon`> bzip2 might
[22:28] <gnarface> well
[22:28] <Tachyon`> and 7zip definitely does
[22:28] <gnarface> use 7zip if it matters, that's probably the best right now
[22:28] <RJ45> is this better?:...
[22:28] <gnarface> but RJ45 of should be like ~/Cust_RasPi.img
[22:28] <RJ45> # dd if=/dev/sdc2 bs=4M of=/media/Bay/Cust_RasPi.img
[22:28] <gnarface> or whatever
[22:28] <sney> yeah that fixes it
[22:28] <gnarface> a filesystem where you have plenty of free space
[22:28] <RJ45> YAY!
[22:29] <RJ45> 'k, so I'm definitively ready to go now?
[22:29] <RJ45> finger's on teh [ENTER] key...
[22:29] <gnarface> yes, go
[22:30] <RJ45> *inhales* okay...
[22:30] <gnarface> read should be faster than write but it will still probably take a while
[22:30] <gnarface> just be patient
[22:30] <RJ45> hold on, is there a verbose option?
[22:30] <TheJH> RJ45, uh, you're just making an image of the partition, not of the whole SD card... is that what wou're trying to do?
[22:31] <RJ45> I just hit enter :-/
[22:31] <RJ45> TheJH: the whole SD card
[22:31] <TheJH> *you're
[22:31] <RJ45> TheJH: all partitions
[22:31] <gnarface> RJ45: dd has no verbose option
[22:31] <gnarface> RJ45: you just gotta put blind faith in it
[22:31] <RJ45> okay
[22:31] <jigoe> Has anyone got a library that will take n number of bytes for reading and writing i2c?
[22:32] <jigoe> For master i2c
[22:32] <RJ45> TheJH: I'm trying to make an image of whole SD
[22:32] <gnarface> RJ45: it will actually work unless you 1) run out of space on the target disk or 2) the source or target disk burns out
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[22:33] <RJ45> I think my biggest concern is that I put bs=4M, assuming that's just for the SD, when I'm writing to a HDD
[22:33] <RJ45> is it still okay?
[22:34] <gnarface> jigoe: what about libi2c?
[22:34] <jigoe> gnarface, Thanks.
[22:34] <gnarface> RJ45: its probably fine; that will only affect the read block size,i think
[22:35] <RJ45> 'k
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[22:35] <jigoe> gnarface, It can take n bytes right?
[22:35] <gnarface> RJ45: its never actually mattered for me anywhere i've tested it yet but i did read that in rare cases you might be only able to go up to 1M
[22:36] <RJ45> just checked the .img in Nautilus, 6GB so-far
[22:36] <gnarface> jigoe: i don't actually know, i just did "apt-cache search i2c" and picked something for you out of the list
[22:36] <jigoe> OK, thanks.
[22:37] <jigoe> I think it does, looking at the code.
[22:37] <jigoe> Might patch gordons functions so that it works with n bytes.
[22:37] <jigoe> Seems like a good feature
[22:37] <gnarface> RJ45: seems to be going at a pretty good rate then, you should be fine
[22:37] <RJ45> 7GB...
[22:37] <TheJH> RJ45: with sdc2, you'll only get the partition. if you want the whole disk, use sdc (without the 2)
[22:38] <RJ45> TheJH: oh shit!, ur right!
[22:38] <RJ45> how do I stop this thing?
[22:39] <RJ45> anyone?
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[22:41] <gnarface> ctrl-c
[22:41] <gnarface> (repeatedly, if necessary)
[22:41] <gnarface> don't forget to delete the target file
[22:41] <dwatkins> dd has no verbose option, but you can add a progress meter with 'pv' - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2013/02/08/writing-raspberry-pi-image-to-raw-device-in-mac-os-x/
[22:41] <RJ45> 'k
[22:42] <dwatkins> obviously that's for writing to the card, not reading from it, but the reverse should still show progress, I believe.
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[22:43] <RJ45> okay, we are go again
[22:43] <dwatkins> are you making a backup, RJ45?
[22:44] <RJ45> 1GB...
[22:44] <RJ45> dwatkins: hopefully a custom .img
[22:45] <RJ45> so I don't have-to keep fuckin' around with settings and configurations whenever I wanna re-flash the SD
[22:45] <RJ45> , have it lookin' just how I like it, every time.
[22:45] <dwatkins> I'm curious, what are you using it for?
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[22:47] <RJ45> no extra programs installed, just aesthetic changes, an apt-get update, and 'sudo apt-get update' set in BASH history, also the raspi-config ready set-up how I want it.
[22:47] <dwatkins> cool
[22:48] <RJ45> aesthetics being font size, wallpaper, panel...
[22:48] <dwatkins> I backed up my card before deploying my Pi in the office as a temperature monitor with munin
[22:48] <dwatkins> I should probably have it periodically back its data up too
[22:49] <RJ45> ya can't spend ur life backin' stuff up, just keep it safe.
[22:49] <dwatkins> disks, sd cards, microsd cards and floppy disks all fail eventually, though
[22:49] <RJ45> yup
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[22:49] <dwatkins> ...or get nicked :-/
[22:50] <RJ45> I myself am making my own master .img with aesthetic changes (as I just said), and and programs will be available on restore from apt-get cache I keep very well organized.
[22:52] <RJ45> I don't plan on storing anything else on the RPi that wouldn't already be safe elsewhere.
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[22:53] <RJ45> 10GB so-far...
[22:54] <RJ45> 20GB to go
[23:02] <ParkerR> gnarface, oh btw the external I mentioned earlier has this drive in it http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ny9bOA3EAbIJ:www.seagate.com/files/staticfiles/support/docs/samsung-ds/100698122c.pdf+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
[23:04] <RJ45> 20GB / 30GB...
[23:04] <RJ45> I bet this looks really funny on the logs
[23:07] <RJ45> my calculations are about 1GB per minute
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[23:07] <ParkerR> RJ45, What are you using to monitor the transfer?
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[23:08] <RJ45> ParkerR: my mind ...and IRC timestamps
[23:08] <ParkerR> RJ45, Do this in another terminal sudo pkill -USR1 dd
[23:08] <ParkerR> It'll print the current statistics to the terminal running dd
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[23:14] <ParkerR> RJ45, What does it say
[23:14] <RJ45> I don't wanna bother
[23:14] <ParkerR> It'll tell you how much it has done...
[23:14] <RJ45> nearly done now
[23:15] <RJ45> I can now confirm it is done
[23:15] <RJ45> 31914983424 bytes (32 GB) copied, 1837.89 s, 17.4 MB/s
[23:16] <RJ45> (although Nautilus says 29.7GB :-/ )
[23:17] <azeem_> RJ45: that's assuming a GB is 1024*1024*1024 bytes
[23:17] <Tachyon`> yeah, you get robbed I'm afriad
[23:18] <Tachyon`> when manufacturers measure capacity they use multiples of 1000 rather than 1024
[23:18] <RJ45> they both say 'GB', not 'Gb'
[23:18] <Tachyon`> GiB is a real gigabyte
[23:18] <sney> and then there's GiB too
[23:18] <sney> just to make things extra confusing
[23:18] <RJ45> just fock it.
[23:18] <Tachyon`> Gb would be gigabits so you'd have about 256 billion of those
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[23:38] <RJ45> how do I look inside my .img?
[23:41] <TheJH> RJ45: you'll need to mount the partition inside the image. you'll have to first setup a loop device that points to the partition, then do a loop mount, I think
[23:42] <RJ45> I'just just Google it
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[23:53] <gnarface> RJ45: you could fdisk -l [img] i think
[23:54] <gnarface> RJ45: TheJH is right for any editing though
[23:54] <RJ45> I wanna edit
[23:55] <gnarface> oh
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