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[1:08] <HoofHearted> I just got a Raspberry Pi and I found this IRC! How long have you guys been around? :)
[1:11] <ParkerR> A wile
[1:11] <ParkerR> *while
[1:19] <HoofHearted> Thanks haha.
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[1:23] <Tachyon`> I hink this channel existed before the pi
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[1:37] <RJ45> I finally got TightVNC working (some non-listed dependencies I had-to figure out by looking at logs), my question: how does one get it to serv the current x session instead of emulating (-for lack of better word) another one?
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[5:31] <bruce_> hi
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[10:11] <ajwakeman> Hi all, Posted on the forums to no avail (here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=318860#p318860). Anyone know how i may submit a deb for inclusion in the raspbian repos
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[10:48] <gnarface> ajwakeman: hang around; eventually someone will come in here who knows
[10:49] <Nik05> ajwakeman they get a lot from debian
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[10:50] <Nik05> and wheezy is almost being release so not much time to get a new package in there
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[10:57] <ajwakeman> Nik05, the change is just cosmetic so little testing would be needed so i would imagine it would be doable
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[11:00] <Nik05> what kind of package?
[11:01] <Nik05> and they want to release debian in 4/5 days ;)
[11:01] <Nik05> *wheezy
[11:02] <gnarface> ajwakeman: since wheezy is frozen, yea there may be logistical complications; but in general its easier to get a patch submitted for an existing package than to get a new package included
[11:03] <gnarface> ajwakeman: not just anyone can throw a package in. you have to be approved through a peer-review process shrouded in mystery rivaling that of any masonic lodge
[11:04] <ajwakeman> nik05, gnarface: if you read the forum post you'll see that it is simply a patch of one file (minidlna's icon.c) simply to change the logo displayed by dlna clients from the debian logo to the raspberry pi logo.
[11:05] <ajwakeman> being "mini" the image is a char[] inside icon.c
[11:05] <gnarface> ajwakeman: i'm agreeing with you that its a simple cosmetic change that should require very little testing but please don't confuse me with someone who has any sort of authority in the matter
[11:06] <gnarface> ajwakeman: i think plugwash might be the guy to talk to.
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[11:21] <ajwakeman> gnarface: cheers, I'll see if i can get hold of him. I know there is all the peer review and all that, failing actually being able to submit it myself i would be fine just giving my patch to someone trusted who can peer-review the change (which should be very easy) and maybe patch the deb in the repo
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[11:22] <ajwakeman> i just thought it would be a nice touch really, most distros have modified that file to have their distro logo as the icon so i thought it would be good for raspbian to do the same
[11:23] <ajwakeman> my pi is running my version and it just looks better having the rpi logo instead of the debian one
[11:24] <azeem_> ajwakeman: you can check the Debian source package whether it displays different logos based on vendor, e.g. the Ubuntu one
[11:24] <azeem_> otherwise, I guess this will have to be a raspbian-only change
[11:26] <ajwakeman> azeem_: it doesn't
[11:27] <gnarface> i don't even know about the logistics of it... debian wheezy is frozen currently so i doubt they'd allow inclusion till jesse, but does raspbian even honor the debian freeze in the first place?
[11:27] <azeem_> raspian is based on wheezy
[11:28] <gnarface> i imagine there's a bug tracker somewhere the patch should be registered in but i expect it'll probably just sit there till jesse starts rolling
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[11:28] <ajwakeman> azeem_: to be more specific its a tiny binary so the logo is baked into the binary at compile time as a const char[], most distros patch the source package to their own logo
[11:28] <gnarface> but again, plugwash is probably the guy to ask about it
[11:28] <azeem_> I don't know about raspian release schedule, but I guess they fix stuff they need fixed
[11:31] <gnarface> since its a pretty small project comparatively, with fewer contributors, i think its plausible they might just be able to sneak something like that in
[11:31] <gnarface> but i just don't actually know
[11:32] <gnarface> i hear rumors that debian wheezy could release any day now though
[11:32] <azeem_> on the weekend
[11:33] <gnarface> azeem_: they're really going for it?
[11:33] <gnarface> azeem_: this weekend?
[11:33] <azeem_> why not?
[11:33] <gnarface> i wasn't clear on whether all the multiarch problems in the non-free graphics drivers ever got sorted
[11:33] <azeem_> gnarface: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/04/maillist.html
[11:34] <azeem_> eh
[11:34] <azeem_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/04/msg00006.html
[11:34] <azeem_> gnarface: doesn't sound like that's relevant to the release?
[11:34] <azeem_> no idea on that status though
[11:35] <gnarface> heh, or they could just go without it
[11:35] <gnarface> i suppose that's possible too
[11:35] <azeem_> ajwakeman: anyway, I guess it wouldn't hurt to submit a patch to minidlna which makes it possible to display different logos based on the vendor
[11:35] <azeem_> would obviously not go into wheezy, but if you get it into unstable afterwards, chances are probably higher raspbian will backport it
[11:37] <ajwakeman> azeem_: maybe if i get a little time
[11:41] <azeem_> apparently it ships a script which creates the .c from an SVG
[11:41] <ajwakeman> i just thought it might be doable as debian patched it to show their logo, as did arch, ubuntu, etc... seing as that is a simple one file patch and just means it fits with the distro.
[11:42] <azeem_> so you could just make it run that at build time based on which distribution (debian, ubuntu, raspbian) is building
[11:42] <azeem_> ajwakeman: sure, a simple patch would be fine as well I guess
[11:42] <azeem_> ajwakeman: is minidlna somehow standard or exposed on raspbian, or just something you happen to use?
[11:46] <ajwakeman> something i happen to use and i noticed that my TV showed the debian logo for my Pi and I just wanted it to show the rpi icon instead so i changed it, compiled and installed my custom binary and thought it just looked better. Then i thought to myself "Hey, maybe other raspberry pi users want this too but cba to patch it and re-compile it themselves", which made me just wonder if raspbian would put the patched version in their repos so that
[11:47] <ajwakeman> nothing more than just customizing for aesthetics' sake and wanting to share it
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[11:50] <ajwakeman> really it's not much more of a change than the folks at raspbian added a wallpaper and set it as default in their lxde config file. Same use case, just unfortunately actually requires a source change
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[11:57] <ajwakeman> here's the patch if anyone wants it http://pastebin.com/BZFpF2dD
[12:03] <newbiehere> Hi guys! I'm completely new when it comes to Raspberry Pi, or anything else when it comes to DIY electronics for that matter. I've seen some beginner's tips around, but I was wondering if any of you had a tip or a proposed project for a beginner? Thanks!
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[12:47] <TheSnide> does the irc logbot run on raspbian ? :-)
[12:48] <OliverJW> newbihere: this site might help http://pibeginners.com/
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[13:00] <ajwakeman> newbiehere: if you have a big usb HDD then a kind of NAS-like device would be a reasonable place to start and/or media server. That involves nfs, samba, ssh/sftp, ftp, rsync and similar network file sharing stuff so you could have, for example, all your PCs backing up to an rsync server or nfs share. Same stuff would work well for a media server just for sharing media files or you could do what i have done myself which is set up things lik
[13:01] <ajwakeman> newbiehere: if you need access to your home network while you are away from home, like if you travel a lot then you could set up a VPN or something?
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[13:02] <ajwakeman> newbiehere: Or are you looking for a project which would include some programing?
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[13:03] <newbiehere> ajwakeman: Thanks for the advice! I'll definitely look into it. It may be a little ambitious, but one of the things that I wanted to do was use it on a Helium balloon to lift up a camera, and maybe some sort of control device so that I can control the descent. I'd like to do some programming as well, for learning purposes...
[13:04] <ajwakeman> learn python if you haven't already
[13:04] <ajwakeman> then you could mess arround with a fan controlled with
[13:04] <ajwakeman> gpio and stuff
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> bringing a helium baloon down is and interesting engineering challenge...
[13:05] <ajwakeman> however you'll need either a really big balloon or very lightweight fans/camera etc.
[13:06] <ajwakeman> gordonDragon: i imagine it would involve a gpio controlled air release valve or something
[13:07] <ajwakeman> although helium is a lot less dense so you would need a really good seal when the valve is closed
[13:08] <ajwakeman> unless you used the model rocket style system of bringing an egg down safely, ie. pop the ballon and release a parachute
[13:08] <ajwakeman> at least an RPi is less fragile than an egg
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> the issue is that as it rises, the helium expands, thus increasing buoyancy - so you let some out, and it comes down, but then it starts to accellerate down as the helium is now being compressed and losing buoyancy, so you smash into the ground.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> so you need to stop it going too high and work on controling buoyancy.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> pure fan control can work - but only in a limited range of altitudes.
[13:13] <ajwakeman> yeah, you don't need the landing to be too soft though, just soft enough.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> retro rockets :)
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> it's a real race between load carrying ability and size. from memory a litre of helium lifts one gram...
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> hydrogen is a shade better 1 : 1.1
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> but also somewhat more challenging to work with :)
[13:15] <ajwakeman> to be fair the guys that have featured on the RPi blog a few times have sent them into the stratosphere with weather baloons so i imagine it would be in some way a down-scaled version of what they've been doing
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[13:16] <ajwakeman> except they don't have any directional control and the payload has landed in the sea sometimes
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[13:17] <ajwakeman> i wonder if it would be possible to control a blow torch like you use for making
[13:18] <ajwakeman> creme bruelee
[13:18] <ajwakeman> (sorry i missed backspace and hit return instead)
[13:18] <ajwakeman> if you could then you could try creating a miniature hot-air balloon
[13:19] <ajwakeman> for ants
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> interesting concept..
[13:25] <ajwakeman> I can see it going the way of Icarus though
[13:26] <ajwakeman> and i don't see it faring too well in wind, i'm not sure that many small fans would do very much against even quite mild breezes.
[13:27] <ajwakeman> but it definitely sounds like a fun project, good luck newbiehere.
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[13:30] <newbiehere> ajwakeman and gordonDrogon: thanks so much! Some guys did it once with a small ish weather balloon and a remote controlled glider of sorts, so I could maybe get some ideas there... But the creme brulee idea sounds good too ;)
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[13:31] <ajwakeman> if all else fails at least you can make a nice desert
[13:33] <newbiehere> But taking the creme brulee idea, how would I use the I/O on the RPi? Even if it was just to light up a few LEDs, how would I do it? I'm learning python over at codecademy at the moment, but I'm just not sure how to apply it...
[13:36] <ajwakeman> the raspberry pi guys have got a python library for the gpio pins
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[13:36] <ajwakeman> if you go poke around on the forums you should be able to find how to use the gpio
[13:37] <ajwakeman> i've never messed with it but there are lots of people in the community that have done
[13:39] <newbiehere> Fantastic. Thanks for the help!
[13:41] <ajwakeman> then all you'd need to find is a small blowtorch which can be controlled electrically.
[13:42] <ajwakeman> most have electronic ignition but mechanical gas release, so that would be tricky
[13:42] <newbiehere> I guess what I could do for that is attach a servo to the valve, and attach a tazer (or something else to make sparks) at the tip. That might work.
[13:44] <ajwakeman> however for the helium idea you could look at this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2986. this uses valves controlled by gpio to drop water and activate a camera shutter and the guy even posted some sample python source code so a similar thing with some good valves could give you conroll over the deflation of a baloon
[13:45] <ajwakeman> i am no engineer so i don't know how feasible this all is but it looks like it would be a similar principal
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[13:47] <ajwakeman> if you choose to use fire then have a bucket of sand or a fire extinguisher handy
[13:47] <ajwakeman> and probably work outside too
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[13:55] <newbiehere> Alright thanks so much for all your help. Unfortunately, I must flee, but thanks again.
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[20:22] <TheSnide> is there a tuto on making an initrd for debian ?
[20:22] <TheSnide> (ideally raspbian, obviously)
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[20:27] <plugwash> Normally you just install a debian style kernel and it just generates the initrd for you...
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[20:34] <RedSquare99> hey
[20:34] <RedSquare99> I just got my pi today but somehow it's not working...
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[20:41] <taza> RedSquare99: Ya sure you got the SD prepared right?
[20:41] <RedSquare99> i formatted it with terminal
[20:42] <taza> Because that'd be the #1 reason. Does a red light light up when you put the power on?
[20:42] <RedSquare99> yes
[20:42] <taza> Formatted? Uh...
[20:42] <RedSquare99> lol
[20:42] <taza> You're supposed to dd the image, no need for any formatting.
[20:42] <RedSquare99> i copied the img file to the sd via the terminal
[20:42] <RedSquare99> yes
[20:42] <RedSquare99> that's what i meant.
[20:42] <taza> Didja copy or bitwise copy over the partition?
[20:43] <RedSquare99> bitwise?
[20:43] <RedSquare99> it's a brand new sandisk from the box
[20:43] <RedSquare99> so i just unmounted and did the dd
[20:43] <taza> Okay, I'm putting 90% chances on it being a misprepared SD card.
[20:43] <taza> Didja dd over the drive or the partition?
[20:43] <taza> And what's your OS?
[20:43] <RedSquare99> should i try to do it with a gui?
[20:43] <RedSquare99> Mac OS 10.8
[20:43] <taza> I'd suggest a GUI, yeah.
[20:43] * plugwash bets you copied the image to a partition rather than the whole drive
[20:43] <taza> Yeah, I'm with plugwash here.
[20:44] <taza> We got any OS X users here to walk him through writing the image?
[20:45] <taza> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup <--- Apparently there's a Mac OS X GUI for download.
[20:45] <taza> Never used it myself, I do all this under regular ol' Debian.
[20:45] <RedSquare99> yeah i'm downloading the PiWriter
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[20:46] <patagonicus> I haven't done it in a while, but you have to use diskutil unmount to unmount the sd card without ejecting it (check "mount" to see which one it is), then use dd or whatever you want as with any Unix.
[20:46] <taza> But yeah, very likely you just got something mixed up and nothing's actually wrong - Mac OS X makes this a bit harder.
[20:46] <taza> Doing this under Ubuntu is very, very easy, heh.
[20:47] <patagonicus> It's basically the same as with Linux. Devices are just named /dev/diskx instead of /dev/sdx and its "diskutil unmount" instead of "umount".
[20:47] <taza> Yeah, but the problem is everyone ever is used to the Linux conventions, and thus walking someone through it is harder. ;p
[20:47] <RedSquare99> let's see
[20:48] <RedSquare99> when running df -h i see my card as /dev/disk4s1
[20:48] <RedSquare99> now i do diskutil unmount /dev/disk4s1
[20:48] <RedSquare99> and then what?
[20:48] <taza> ... get PiWriter?
[20:48] <patagonicus> sudo dd if=image.img of=/dev/disk4
[20:49] <taza> patagonicus don't tell the noobs to use dd unless it's necessary. That thing is a power tool you're handing to a toddler.
[20:49] <RedSquare99> lol
[20:49] <RedSquare99> i'm familiar with linux
[20:49] <taza> Aite, good.
[20:49] <taza> Any chance you got a Debian-like box hanging around? ;p
[20:50] <RedSquare99> unfortunately not
[20:50] <RedSquare99> but i'm running the dd now
[20:50] <taza> dd makes me nervous to use and I'd never tell anyone to use it unless I'm confident they got it down well.
[20:50] <RedSquare99> it will probably take some time
[20:50] <taza> Aite.
[20:50] <patagonicus> I was thinking about just using cat, but shell redirection doesn't work with sudo and I don't think Macs come preinstalled with tee.
[20:50] <patagonicus> Also, dd isn't any more dangerous than any other tool that can write to a file descriptor.
[20:50] <taza> The best equivalent to dd in the physical world I can think of is a bandsaw.
[20:51] <RedSquare99> I'm trying to think about the most horrible thing I did with a linux machine
[20:51] <RedSquare99> I think that it is iptables -F
[20:51] <Mogwai> RedSquare99: This Python script is very nice for imaging on OSX: https://raw.github.com/abock/image-usb-stick/master/image-usb-stick
[20:51] <taza> Eh, I've got backups, so I'm not that concerned. Still.
[20:51] <RedSquare99> regarding iptables?
[20:52] <taza> RedSquare99: But yeah, putting 90% chances of the SD card not booting right, and 80% chances on it being it being written on partition rather than on raw device.
[20:52] <taza> Any software issues really
[20:52] <RedSquare99> well I'll be happy when I'll see the apache's 'It works!' page
[20:54] <patagonicus> Does apache autostart with raspbian? If so, I'll have to disable that for the one machine I have running.
[20:54] <RedSquare99> why?
[20:54] <taza> RedSquare99: Anyway, the reason I asked about the red light is 'cause if it lights and nothing else does, it's usually the sd card
[20:54] <RedSquare99> i think you have to install it
[20:54] <RedSquare99> i also tried to connect it to the router and nothing
[20:55] <patagonicus> RedSquare99: Ah, I thought you wanted to use it as a way to see if it boots correctly.
[20:55] <RedSquare99> no lol
[20:55] <patagonicus> And as to why I'd disable it: I don't need a web server on that machine. :)
[20:55] <RedSquare99> the main purpose of my pi is to research and test more about linux and stuff
[20:55] <RedSquare99> and I got my own domain
[20:55] <RedSquare99> so it will be nice to run a little something there
[20:56] <RedSquare99> however it might be a bit problematic as I don't have a static IP
[20:58] <taza> RedSquare99: Didja specify block size with dd?
[20:58] <RedSquare99> hmm no
[20:59] <taza> Then you might be sitting for a few dozen hours, heh.
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[20:59] <taza> "bs=1m" is the argument.
[20:59] <taza> (I think, check from the help file)
[21:00] <RedSquare99> so..let's do it again
[21:00] <RedSquare99> i read somewhere you can also do it with 4m
[21:02] <taza> 1m is plenty
[21:02] <OliverJW> what does the 1m part do?
[21:02] <taza> 1m is the difference between writing one bit at a time and writing 1048576 bits at a time.
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[21:05] <RedSquare99> you know, i'm pretty sad that there is no ubuntu for the pi
[21:05] <RedSquare99> but raspbian (debian) is good as well
[21:05] <RedSquare99> i just dislike CentOS/Fedora
[21:06] <taza> Honestly, I wouldn't have grabbed the Pi if it didn't have a Debian or Debian derivative distro.
[21:06] <taza> I'm fine with Ubuntu, I'm not fine with being torn away from my beloved Apt.
[21:06] <RedSquare99> btw, how old r u?
[21:07] <taza> Why would that matter?
[21:07] <taza> I've been using Linux for over a decade, take a random guess.
[21:07] <werp_> after compiling stuff from source for a bit, i quite like the apt system :O
[21:07] <RedSquare99> lol
[21:07] <RedSquare99> i just wonder if there are people around who are familiar with the FIRST Robotics Competition.
[21:07] <taza> I don't really do robotics.
[21:08] <RedSquare99> some team wanted to put the pi on their robot
[21:08] <RedSquare99> but at the end it didn't fit to their needs
[21:11] <taza> I may be connecting my Pi to things it remote controls, but I don't really consider that robotics.
[21:12] <RedSquare99> well the pi had to process image from a camera
[21:12] <taza> Even though it's pretty much robotics, I know.
[21:12] <RedSquare99> not handle the main thing
[21:13] <RedSquare99> it takes so much timeee
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[21:15] <werp_> does that mean youre in high school then? :p
[21:16] <RedSquare99> well not anymore but not so far from there :P
[21:16] <taza> werp_: Hardihar. Back then install media was a bit harder to get access to.
[21:17] <taza> Fifteen years now, about
[21:17] <werp_> RedSquare99, i only did it for a year (2000). i used the controller they provided. didnt need any computer vision at that point.
[21:17] <RedSquare99> my FRC team was established in 2009
[21:18] <RedSquare99> and I graduated in 2011
[21:18] <werp_> taza, hehe. i had a t1 at my school that i used. administered a slackware box running .. 2.0.30?
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[21:19] <taza> werp_: First Linux install on my actual system was Mandrake 7.
[21:19] <taza> From there I went to Gentoo (uuugh), and then tried Debian and have never needed anything else.
[21:19] <RedSquare99> I got familiar with linux actually only a year ago
[21:20] <RedSquare99> well I knew it existed but never researched about it
[21:22] <taza> Linux is so much better for some purposes.
[21:22] <RedSquare99> are you all from the USA?
[21:22] <taza> Nah
[21:23] <RedSquare99> "1939865600 bytes transferred in 1301.612194 secs (1490356 bytes/sec)"
[21:23] <taza> Thass a slow SD card writer, heh.
[21:23] <taza> Or a slow SD card
[21:23] <PhotoJim> RedSquare99: No.
[21:24] <RedSquare99> it's a simple Sandisk Class 4 card
[21:24] <PhotoJim> Class 4 cards read at 4 MB/s. you're getting 1.5. if you're writing to the card that's reasonable for a Class 4.
[21:24] <taza> He's writing, yeah
[21:25] <taza> RedSquare99: Anyway, eject the card, then try it.
[21:25] <RedSquare99> ok the ACT light is now on too
[21:25] <Mogwai> Change disk to rdisk on OS X .. it's a lot faster
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[21:25] <taza> RedSquare99: You have a HDMI connection connected, right?
[21:25] <RedSquare99> i connected it to the hdtv
[21:25] <RedSquare99> yes
[21:25] <RedSquare99> and still no signal
[21:26] <taza> Before or after you connected power?
[21:26] <taza> If you connected it to the HDTV after you connected power you had to do something, I can't remember what.
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[21:26] <taza> I just switch to a vt (ctrl+alt+f3), and then hold ctrl+alt and hit del twice. ;p
[21:26] <RedSquare99> before
[21:27] <taza> Ah.
[21:27] <RedSquare99> ah well, i don't have a keyboard yet as the pc here is using an old PS/2 keyboard
[21:27] <taza> Hmm. It oughta be outputting video via HDMI
[21:27] <RedSquare99> i just wanted to see that it's running
[21:27] <taza> Ya sure your TV is using the right source?
[21:27] <PhotoJim> yes, you should see text as it's booting.
[21:28] <RedSquare99> if i managed to see the conents of the SD on my computer
[21:28] <RedSquare99> does it mean that i got it wrong again?
[21:28] <taza> You see more than one light, likely not.
[21:28] <taza> I think it's just your TV having the wrong channel, so to say
[21:28] <RedSquare99> yes on the first try i had only the power one
[21:28] <taza> Well, it's the first thing to test anyway
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[21:29] <taza> Your TV remote oughta have a "Source" button
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[21:29] <RedSquare99> omg
[21:29] <RedSquare99> it's running!
[21:29] <RedSquare99> and yes, I'm a media man as well
[21:30] <RedSquare99> I know a bit about TVs :P
[21:30] <taza> So was it the wrong source? ;p
[21:30] <RedSquare99> it was the shitty AC connector
[21:30] <RedSquare99> i'm using a nokia usb-microusb cable and an iphone ac connector
[21:31] <taza> I'm more of a menace than a media man.
[21:31] <RedSquare99> well i see the raspi-config screen now
[21:31] <RedSquare99> do you know if it comes with ssh pre-installed and running?
[21:31] <taza> And if you shut it down by just pulling the power, expect the thing to break.
[21:31] <taza> It... might. Possibly.
[21:31] <taza> It comes SSH pre-installed, possibly running.
[21:31] <RedSquare99> let's see
[21:31] <taza> If it is running the user is "pi" and the password "raspberry"
[21:32] <taza> raspi-config would let you configure that if you had a keyboard
[21:33] <demure> taza: ssh is enabled by default on current builds
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[21:36] <RedSquare99> great
[21:36] <RedSquare99> i managed to find the local IP of the pi
[21:36] <RedSquare99> and i'm inside!
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[21:37] <taza> RedSquare99: The vastly most likely reason was the reason the system wasn't working. What a twist!
[21:37] <RedSquare99> and last question -
[21:37] <RedSquare99> how do I manage to let it get my real IP and not the local one?
[21:38] <taza> That's up to your router.
[21:38] <RedSquare99> it's not something with the /etc/network/interfaces configuration?
[21:38] <taza> Overwhelmingly likely not.
[21:38] <vagrantc> what do you mean by "real IP" ?
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[21:39] <RedSquare99> the IP all computers that are connected to the router are going from to the internet
[21:39] <RedSquare99> right now it has the 192.168… address
[21:39] <taza> Yeah, guessed it. NAT.
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[21:39] * vagrantc nods
[21:39] <taza> RedSquare99: Not a Pi question, I'm afraid. I'd start with your router manual and the Wikipedia page for NAT. Godspeed.
[21:39] <vagrantc> RedSquare99: yeah, you'd need to configure your router somehow.
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[21:40] <Mogwai> RedSquare99: curl -s ipogre.com
[21:41] <taza> RedSquare99: You don't need an answer for that question, you need to understand enough to ask the right question.
[21:41] <RedSquare99> what do you mean?
[21:41] <taza> Ugh, the tl;dr will take minutes to go through.
[21:42] <taza> Super-compressed: Your computers are sharing an internet connection, and at a guess you need to configure your router to just redirect specific ports to your Pi, then configure your Pi to use an external source or the router to grab your external IP.
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[21:43] <taza> There's also other options like DMZ which you don't want to use, and consumer routers and consumer internet service providers frequently block some or all ports from accessed from the outside.
[21:43] <vagrantc> you could probably bridge your whole connection through the pi and have the pi do all the NAT...
[21:43] <taza> Ngggh.
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[21:43] <taza> Yeah, that's a thing he could do, but shouldn't.
[21:44] <taza> RedSquare99: There's many things you could do, but "port forwarding" is probably the thing you should do.
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[21:44] <vagrantc> yeah, port forwarding will work if you have a limited set of ports...
[21:44] <vagrantc> i.e. http, ssh, https ...
[21:44] <vagrantc> bittorrent gets messier
[21:45] <taza> More importantly it isn't as complex as the other options.
[21:48] <taza> RedSquare99: You are standing at the edge of a cliff, the waves breaking against the rocks thousands of feet below, and you're asking where to go for a nice swim.
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[21:48] <RedSquare99> lol
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[21:49] <RedSquare99> i'm sorry, it's a bit late here and i'm trying to configure the router at the other room
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[21:50] <taza> My advice of "read up on NAT and your router before doing anything" is roughly equivalent to a long walk to a not-deadly beach.
[21:52] <RedSquare99> i think i found how to port forward from my router
[21:53] <taza> Yeah, well, first read up on what you're doing.
[21:53] <taza> Securing your SSH server, for one.
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[21:54] <timmmaaaayyy> anyone know how to create a gre tunnel?
[21:55] <taza> Or if you're going ahead and jumping, don't expect any of us to throw you a rope. ;p
[21:55] <timmmaaaayyy> i need one for squid and wccp
[21:55] <RedSquare99> don't worry, i'm not going anywhere.
[21:56] <taza> Port forwarding is the easy thing to do, but before you do that, understand what you're doing and the way ssh works too.
[21:56] <RedSquare99> I know how ssh works
[21:57] <RedSquare99> and i know how to secure my server
[21:57] <taza> Aite, good.
[21:57] <RedSquare99> but I wonder if there's something hidden that you're talking about
[21:57] <taza> Getting your Pi to know it's external IP is usually unnecessary and a bit complicated, but yeah, mostly it's just ensuring you aren't running unnecessary or insecure services before exposing it to the internet.
[21:58] <taza> Port forwarding lets you access a port from the outside - do yourself a favor and change the SSH port from the default, though.
[21:59] <taza> Port forwarding in itself, as long as it doesn't conflict with your other systems, is relatively straightforward.
[22:00] <taza> Sorry if I'm sounding condescending, I just don't like to assume people know non-obvious things.
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[22:06] <taza> But yeah, once you're sure your system is secure enough, just forward the right kind of port and voila, your system can be accessed from the outside.
[22:06] <RedSquare99> no no, it's ok
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[22:06] <taza> Whatcha wanna do with the external IP?
[22:06] <taza> Apache? SSH?
[22:08] <RedSquare99> apache
[22:08] <RedSquare99> i told the router to forward :80 to :80 on the local machine
[22:09] <RedSquare99> but i still get a timeout while trying to connect to the external ip
[22:09] <muep> are you trying to connect from external network or from your LAN?
[22:10] <RedSquare99> from a computer inside the lan, but i told my friend to try and access my ip
[22:10] <RedSquare99> and he doesn't get it
[22:10] <taza> ... uh, do you have Apache running?
[22:10] <taza> Also, 80 is frequently blocked.
[22:10] <taza> And you shouldn't expose ports until you have the service running and configured properly.
[22:10] <RedSquare99> yes, i can get the page from inside the lan
[22:11] <taza> Well, a lot of ISPs block 80
[22:11] <RedSquare99> i'll try to forward something else to :80
[22:12] <RedSquare99> nothing
[22:12] <taza> You forwarding TCP or UDP?
[22:12] <taza> Also, it's entirely possible your ISP blocks ALL ports.
[22:12] <RedSquare99> i can use torrents
[22:12] <RedSquare99> and both
[22:14] <taza> Torrents work with your ports still blocked as long as the peers have open ports.
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[22:22] <RedSquare99> well
[22:22] <RedSquare99> i don't think it's my ISP but i don't see anything else
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[22:25] <RedSquare99> omg
[22:25] <RedSquare99> i'm so stupid.
[22:25] <RedSquare99> anyway taza (and the others), thanks a lot for your help and your time!
[22:26] <vagrantc> not even going to share what it was? :P
[22:26] <RedSquare99> i'm too ashamed of that.
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[22:26] <taza> Yeah, I'd say you've got your problem fixed and just enough knowledge to find your way. Now you just need patience to pore through the documentation.
[22:26] <RedSquare99> but i forwarded it to the wrong local ip
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[22:26] <RedSquare99> .3 instead of .103
[22:27] <RedSquare99> i'm pretty familiar with servers and stuff but all the nat and port forwarding via routers was kinda new for me
[22:27] <RedSquare99> it's one of the things i always knew but i never got to try
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[22:36] <taza> Hmm
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[22:36] <taza> What's the importance of getting cylinders etc right in partitioning a SD card for Raspberry Pi?
[22:37] <RedSquare99> anyway, i'm off now, thanks a lot again and good night from the middle east :)
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[22:44] <Mogwai> taza: If you're talking about correct alignment I think it matters only for the FAT32 partition to show up correctly on win32
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[23:20] <slystone1> Hi!
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[23:20] <slystone1> I'm having some troubles with /etc/sudoers.
[23:21] <slystone1> I have an error message for line 28 which is: pi ALL=(ALL): NOPASSWD: ALL
[23:23] <slystone1> The entire message is:
[23:23] <slystone1> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 28 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin
[23:23] <slystone1> Could someone please help?
[23:24] <slystone1> I've tried pkexec visudo so far, but it seems I can't get the proper syntax, or something.
[23:25] <slystone1> MacArony: hi!
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[23:29] <slystone1> o/ jyp
[23:29] <jyp> ??
[23:29] <slystone1> jyp: I could use some help if you have some time.
[23:30] <slystone1> Hi!
[23:30] <jyp> hi :)
[23:30] <slystone1> jyp: do you know visudo?
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[23:31] <jyp> yes
[23:31] <jyp> :)
[23:32] <slystone1> jyp: I have an error message in /etc/sudoers for this line: pi ALL=(ALL): NOPASSWD: ALL (under #includedir: /etc/sudoers.d)
[23:32] <taza> Gahh I cannae do this shit.
[23:32] <taza> I'm trying to bootstrap and the partitioning math is kicking my ass by itself
[23:32] <slystone1> The entire message: sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 28 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin
[23:33] <slystone1> I can edit with 'pkexec visudo', but it seems I can't find the right syntax. Any idea please?
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[23:35] <jyp> slystone1: maybe I could help if you show me your entire sudoers file :) pastebin?
[23:35] <slystone1> jyp: ok :)
[23:37] <slystone1> jyp: https://pastee.org/h3cg4
[23:39] <jyp> what is $ at the end of line 11 slystone1
[23:40] <jyp> typo?
[23:41] <jyp> replace $ with "
[23:41] <slystone1> jyp: no it is vim saying the line is too long to print it entirely. And you've found the culprit (I'm a little ashamed now).
[23:42] <jyp> oh :)
[23:42] <jyp> good for you
[23:42] <slystone1> the entire line is Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin". I must have copy pasted without realising.
[23:43] <slystone1> ><
[23:43] <slystone1> so I suppose the correct path is /usr/local/sbin:bin, right?
[23:47] <jyp> idk, is it? lol
[23:47] <jyp> why don't you just remove the line
[23:47] <jyp> i think you don't really need that line
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[23:49] <slystone1> Well, it seems that line is correct in fact.
[23:49] <slystone1> http://wiki.debian.org/sudo ← I can see it in here.
[23:50] <slystone1> Is sudoers.tmp just a backup for sudoers?
[23:50] <jyp> i've never seen that. is it? D:
[23:50] * jyp feels retarded
[23:51] <slystone1> jyp: well, one does not edit /etc/sudoers everyday.
[23:51] <slystone1> Well, anywho, I'm still stuck! ^^'
[23:51] <jyp> remove line 28 and give it a whirl
[23:51] <jyp> does it work?
[23:52] <slystone1> jyp: well, if I do that, I don't have a user anymore in sudoers, so it will be pretty risky.
[23:53] <jyp> you have root don't you? D:
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[23:54] <slystone1> jyp: I'm not so sure.
[23:54] <jyp> Or,
[23:54] <jyp> move line 28 to above #includedir directive
[23:54] <jyp> and give it a whirl
[23:55] <slystone1> I can try that.
[23:56] <slystone1> Still no pussy!
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[23:58] <jyp> hmm
[23:58] <jyp> on which line do you get an error?
[23:59] <slystone1> Still the same, 28.
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