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[13:33] <esing> Can I not play mpeg-2 videos only with raspbian or is this constraint also if you run other distru's as debian or arch on raspberry pi?
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[19:56] <chaotin> new to raspian i want know if one can easily debian sources-list? I want to get Mumble client running .
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[20:04] <zer0-day> hi my router detects hostname like "computer" insted raspbian like i said on hostname and nsswitch and so
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[20:10] <gnarface> zer0-day: verify /etc/hosts is correct. your dhcp might be overriding it if not.
[20:10] <gnarface> zer0-day: or even dns
[20:10] <gnarface> chaotin: never tried it but i assumed that's how all the other raspian packages got ported so...
[20:10] <gnarface> chaotin: worth trying at least
[20:11] <chaotin> ok thanks- will try it.
[20:11] <zer0-day> 127.0.0.1 raspbmc and ::1 raspbmc gnarface
[20:11] <chaotin> should i drop a note here about success?
[20:11] <gnarface> chaotin: there isn't already a mumble package though? tha'ts kinda surprising
[20:12] <gnarface> chaotin: yea if it works let us know
[20:12] <chaotin> just the server package. want to use it as a client
[20:12] <gnarface> zer0-day: you might have to set the external IP to it too
[20:13] <zer0-day> my lan ip you mean
[20:14] <gnarface> zer0-day: yea
[20:14] <gnarface> zer0-day: but if you are actually using dhcp, it may be easier for you to just have the dhcp server set it
[20:15] <gnarface> zer0-day: similarly, if you run your own DNS servers it will probably look there too, lastly
[20:15] <gnarface> zer0-day: but it should check /etc/hosts *first*
[20:16] <zer0-day> but dont know really when host exist a problem detect like "unknown" no like "computer"
[20:16] <zer0-day> that's so confuse xD
[20:16] <gnarface> yea, i know
[20:16] <gnarface> you get used to it after a while
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[21:54] <taza> Goddamn hardware bugs.
[21:54] <taza> I cannot work on my Pi 'cuz of one.
[21:55] <taza> In my hardware that is, my hand ain't working properly.
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[22:03] <azeem> taza: apt-get install siri
[22:03] <taza> I don't have an OS on it, heh.
[22:03] <taza> I pushed buttons hard enough to injure my hand
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[22:05] <taza> I meant to ask plugwash about how to fix the known bugs in the minimal image, but have been forgetting to
[22:08] <Vorpal> What happens now that Debian Wheezy is released? Will we get a stable and a testing raspbian?
[22:20] <gnarface> i don't actually know but i thought that it would depend on man power availability
[22:21] <gnarface> i seem to recall someone saying that we'd probably just have wheezy for a while
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[22:21] <gnarface> don't quote me on it though
[22:21] <gnarface> as even if my recollection is correct, it was up in the air at the time
[22:21] <cwong20121> when the camera module comes up. what software would be used for that? i am curious.
[22:22] <gnarface> that's a good question
[22:22] <cwong20121> whats a good software to record video/image
[22:22] <cwong20121> i've used ffmpeg and mplayer before i think and it was crappy. tried motion as well.
[22:22] <gnarface> oh, most people use ffmpeg, avconv or mencoder
[22:22] <cwong20121> ah. thanks.
[22:23] <gnarface> there are some graphical utilities that are easier to use but none of them are nearly as mature or feature-complete
[22:23] <Vorpal> hm
[22:24] <cwong20121> ya. thats ok. my rpi doesnt have gui. but maybe the camera module will be more stable than my usb webcam.
[22:24] <Vorpal> cwong20121, did you try using the web cam through a powered hub?
[22:24] <gnarface> i wonder if luvcview is on raspbian
[22:24] <Vorpal> I found that usually works for RPi hardware
[22:24] <Vorpal> (haven't tried web cams specifically)
[22:24] <cwong20121> motion works ok for my usb camera. but the quality craps out after leaving it on for few days.
[22:24] <Vorpal> huh
[22:25] <cwong20121> Vorpal: yes. with a powered hub
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[22:25] <cwong20121> i will wait for the camera module..
[22:25] <gnarface> hmm. i haven't tried a camera on mine yet
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[22:25] <gnarface> i've got 3 here though
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[22:29] <Vorpal> I guess I could locate my camera and try it, some really old logitech thing, like a sphere halfway down through a tetrahedron.
[22:31] <PhotoJim> I have one like that, but it's a pyramidical base, not tetrahedronical.
[22:33] <Vorpal> I think it is a "QuickCam Express" or something
[22:33] <taza> It's a QuickCam alright
[22:33] <Vorpal> From the early 2000s
[22:33] <Vorpal> I'm not sure I even tried it under Linux at all
[22:34] <Vorpal> Yeah, lsusb says "QuickCam Express"
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[22:34] <taza> Ah.
[22:34] <taza> Yeah, it oughta work under some Linux versions at least.
[22:34] <taza> I remember those horrid pieces of garbage.
[22:34] <Vorpal> no idea what software to use for it. Trying it on my beefy desktop atm, easier to reach than the headless RPi server.
[22:34] <axelm7> hi guys, got a problem here. If I plug an FTDI USB-RS232 adapter and run setserial -a /dev/ttyUSB0 the kernel locks up
[22:35] <Vorpal> ouch
[22:35] <axelm7> rpi model B 512 MB
[22:35] <axelm7> kernel 3.6.11 preempt
[22:35] <Vorpal> axelm7, any output to the screen (if you are not in X, but a normal terminal I guess it will be easier to see)?
[22:36] <axelm7> I disabled X and in tty1 I see no output after pressing enter
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[22:37] <Vorpal> axelm7, are you using a powered USB hub between the device and the RPi?
[22:37] <Vorpal> It tends to help with all sorts of strange issues and USB I heard
[22:37] <axelm7> I tried with both an external powered USB hub and using the FTDI converter directly on the rpi
[22:38] <axelm7> dmesg shows that the ftdi adapter was detected normally as ttyUSB0
[22:38] <Vorpal> well, I have no idea then, check the bug tracker and/or wiki I guess? And report a bug if there isn't one already.
[22:38] <Vorpal> I assume it *does* work on a normal linux desktop or laptop?
[22:39] <axelm7> this is a pretty big problem for me. I just bought 25 rpis and 50 ftdi adapters for a commercial application that I have to deliver in two weeks
[22:39] <axelm7> the exact same adapter works fine in Windows 8 and Fedora 19 on my laptop
[22:39] <taza> So you make a huge order of hardware without first running a test example to make sure it's suited for the task...
[22:40] <axelm7> that's not a huge order, come on
[22:40] <axelm7> less than 1000 USD
[22:41] <taza> But anyway, the experts tend to be more on the European time side.
[22:41] <Vorpal> Is it one of the FTDI models listed on http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_UART_and_USB_to_Serial_.28RS-232.29_adapters ?
[22:42] <axelm7> damn, FT232 chip based adapters works for some people, but others find it hangs Linux when the port is opened. The module is ftdi_sio.
[22:42] <jakllsch> ugh.
[22:42] <jakllsch> fucking rpi
[22:42] <jakllsch> i just want to run omxplayer on the rapsbian distribution kernel
[22:42] <jakllsch> but the build i have needs a libvchiq that won't talk to this kernel
[22:43] <jakllsch> and building ffmpeg keeps failing and then obliterating all the work that had been done so far
[22:43] <axelm7> I tested if the kernel would detect FTDI and Prolific, both of which I have been using for more than ten years on all kind of laptops and they work ok with linux
[22:43] <jakllsch> fucking worthless junk "computer"
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[22:43] <axelm7> tbh, never thought that it would lockup the kernel t\
[22:43] <Vorpal> jakllsch, calm down, what was the error from ffmpeg build?
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[22:44] <jakllsch> Vorpal: kernel went into an oops loop while building
[22:44] <jakllsch> a object file was there-but-empty
[22:44] <jakllsch> link failed
[22:44] <jakllsch> rm the offending .o
[22:44] <jakllsch> re-run the ffmpeg build
[22:44] <jakllsch> it rm's the work done so far and starts over
[22:44] <Vorpal> Well, I guess it ended up empty again?
[22:45] <jakllsch> it took fucking hours to build that!
[22:45] <Vorpal> jakllsch, make rms the work done so far?
[22:45] <jakllsch> yes.
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[22:45] <Vorpal> that is crazy
[22:45] <taza> Hey axelm7. Try googling "ft232 raspberry pi"
[22:45] <Vorpal> I personally use distcc when compiling stuff for the RPi, offloading most of the work to my Core i5 desktop with a cross compiler toolchain
[22:45] <Vorpal> Worked well so far
[22:45] <taza> I'm serious.
[22:45] <jakllsch> i don't want to bother setting that up
[22:46] <Vorpal> jakllsch, I thought omxplayer was in the raspbian repos though, don't that version work?
[22:46] <jakllsch> it's not even in the repos
[22:46] <Vorpal> huh;
[22:46] <Vorpal> $ apt-cache search omxplayer
[22:46] <Vorpal> omxplayer - Command line media player for Raspberry Pi
[22:46] <Vorpal> where do I have that from then...
[22:46] <axelm7> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8010 exactly my case with FT232BM. Thanks
[22:47] <jakllsch> from here? http://omxplayer.sconde.net/
[22:47] <taza> Apparently a patch there too
[22:47] <Vorpal> jakllsch, oh it is probably from the raspberry pi foundation repo
[22:47] <Vorpal> I got my image from their site
[22:47] <jakllsch> *eyeroll*
[22:47] <jakllsch> you mean raspbian isn't ... fucking mess
[22:47] <Vorpal> jakllsch, yeah see it is here http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/o/
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[22:48] <Vorpal> just do echo "deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list as root, then apt-get update and it should be there
[22:48] <Vorpal> you may or may not have to create the directory /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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[22:49] <jakllsch> is that a supplemental archive?
[22:49] <Vorpal> I believe so
[22:49] <Vorpal> contains some stuff the Pi Foundation added on
[22:49] <Vorpal> I haven't tried it myself, I use my RPi as a server without a monitor
[22:50] <Vorpal> jakllsch, you have to remember the pi foundation (raspberrypi.org) is actually separate from Raspbian (raspbian.org)
[22:51] <taza> Vorpal: I built this foundry and used Raspberry Pi's instead of regular industrial computers and now the control software requires something called "x86". How do I fix this?
[22:51] <Vorpal> taza, you are joking right? XD
[22:52] <taza> I'm just thinking that maybe people have their expectations set a bit high for a $35 learning computer.
[22:52] <Vorpal> quite so
[22:53] <Vorpal> taza, also, the RPi wouldn't last a day in an industrial environment, I should I know, I program mining rigs for a living.
[22:53] <taza> (I know.)
[22:53] <Vorpal> of course, normal industrial computers wouldn't last a day in a mining rig either.
[22:53] <taza> Well, actually they probably would.
[22:53] <taza> Normal industrial computers are pretty much sealed.
[22:53] <Vorpal> okay, maybe a day
[22:54] <taza> And if you're smart they don't use any moving parts either, and can take some impact.
[22:54] <Vorpal> taza, but some environments I have seen include +45 C and salty water. You need pretty corrosion resistant if you want to deal with that.
[22:54] <taza> +45C they can do, salty water... less so.
[22:55] <Vorpal> yeah
[22:56] <taza> Still, biggest difference from consumer gear is the dust protection
[22:56] <Vorpal> Btw, does anyone know why aptitude is so awfully slow on an RPi? Compared to apt-get I mean.
[22:56] <blkhawk> sure
[22:56] <blkhawk> flash sucks ;)
[22:56] <taza> Well, with my experience on using Debian on a P2, it's the same on that. ;p
[22:56] <Vorpal> Ah...
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[22:57] <taza> Actually I've used Debian on a 486
[22:57] <blkhawk> apt-get is fairly slow too - uninstalling man-db helps a lot
[22:57] <Vorpal> Well I guess I don't notice a 10x speed difference on my Core i5 with 16 GB RAM when both are just a fraction of a second
[22:57] <taza> ... or was it an original Pentium? Can't remember.
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[22:58] <l_r> hello
[22:58] <taza> 'ello
[22:58] <Vorpal> blkhawk, hm, what does man-db do though? Anyway it is the speed of doing a dist-upgrade that says "nothing to do" that I'm comparing here. aptitude takes a LOT longer to load the package database it seems
[22:58] <l_r> i need to run raspbian for arm/raspberry on a x86
[22:58] <l_r> for some cross compilations
[22:58] <Vorpal> qemu?
[22:58] <taza> Vorpal: Keeps up the man pages, pretty sure.
[22:58] <Vorpal> taza, well, just the apropos db or what?
[22:59] <l_r> Vorpal, any link? is qemu fast?
[22:59] <taza> The "man" command too
[22:59] <blkhawk> Vorpal: the insexing and the writing of the man-db files really hammers the sd card were its weakest: writing tiny files
[22:59] <blkhawk> indexing*
[22:59] <Vorpal> blkhawk, my / is on a USB HDD
[22:59] <blkhawk> ah that helps ;)
[23:00] <Vorpal> l_r, well it will be slower than x86 on the same computer. Anyway I found it a bit buggy. I just use distcc and my desktop to offload most of the work to
[23:00] <Vorpal> it is more stable
[23:00] <Vorpal> and still fast enough
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[23:00] <Vorpal> the configure phase is a bit slow, but otherwise okay
[23:00] <Vorpal> As for link, trying to find it
[23:00] <l_r> Vorpal, distcc...is it reliable? i need to cross compile many libs
[23:01] <Vorpal> I think details for both approaches are linked from http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianDocumentation
[23:01] <l_r> ok
[23:02] <Vorpal> And I found distcc just worked, though as I said, ./configure can be a bit slow
[23:02] <l_r> Vorpal, anyway cross compiling is just part of the stuff, i 'd need some os commands too specific to raspbian
[23:02] <l_r> emulating is the only solution
[23:02] <Vorpal> Well, qemu-user then I guess
[23:02] <l_r> Vorpal, vmware for x86 can not run arm?
[23:03] <l_r> i know virtualbox cannot
[23:03] <Vorpal> I have no idea
[23:03] <Vorpal> I would doubt it
[23:03] <Vorpal> but yeah there is both a distcc link and a qemu link on that page.
[23:04] <Vorpal> I tried both, but I had the qemu-approach randomly cause a segfault in bash a couple of times
[23:04] <Vorpal> switched to the distcc approach then
[23:05] <l_r> thx
[23:05] <l_r> Vorpal, have you also managed to package the compiled progs in a deb?
[23:06] <Vorpal> I haven't tried. Deb building seems so confusingly arcane. I come from a Gentoo and Arch Linux background, where writing a .ebuild/PKGBUILD was easy and reasonably straight forward.
[23:06] <Vorpal> The debian setup with a debian/rules file and what not just confuses the heck out of me
[23:07] <l_r> indeed
[23:08] <l_r> although once you have the files in place, building a deb is just 1 command
[23:08] <Vorpal> I just compiled like a handful of stuff anyway: ngnix, znc and a few small things
[23:08] <Vorpal> no need for package manager, just install into separate directories under /opt
[23:09] <jakllsch> so basically
[23:09] <jakllsch> the raspbian kernel is useless?
[23:09] <l_r> for what
[23:09] <Vorpal> jakllsch, still not working?
[23:09] <jakllsch> nope
[23:09] <Vorpal> I haven't had any issues at all, hm
[23:09] <Vorpal> jakllsch, what is the error you get?
[23:10] <jakllsch> vchiq_lib: Incompatible VCHIQ library - driver ver. 2 (min 2), library version 6 (min 3)
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[23:11] <Vorpal> hm, I guess the versions are out of sync, hang on lets test something
[23:11] <Vorpal> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[23:11] <Vorpal> what does that do
[23:11] <Vorpal> I had it fail once when kernel and the vc libs were out of sync
[23:11] <Vorpal> I guess that is what happened here
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[23:11] <jakllsch> same
[23:12] <jakllsch> i'm using the raspbian kernel
[23:12] <Vorpal> jakllsch, if that doesn't work for you, there is a good chance your kernel is simply out of sync with the libs
[23:12] <Vorpal> it works for me on the stock kernel
[23:12] <jakllsch> define stock
[23:12] <jakllsch> rpi foundation or raspbian?
[23:12] <Vorpal> Hm, let me check that
[23:12] <Vorpal> good question
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[23:13] <Vorpal> I don't think the foundation provides a kernel?
[23:13] <Vorpal> yeah I can't find one
[23:13] <jakllsch> i avodied installing raspberrypi-bootloader package it wanted to install
[23:14] <Vorpal> Oh right
[23:14] <Vorpal> it does
[23:14] <jakllsch> it was 27mb and i guess it's kernel+modules+firmware
[23:14] <Vorpal> Description: Raspberry Pi bootloader
[23:14] <Vorpal> This package contains the Raspberry Pi bootloader (plus, temporarily, a
[23:14] <Vorpal> kernel).
[23:14] <Vorpal> yeah it does
[23:14] <Vorpal> sneaky package name
[23:14] <jakllsch> i don't want that kernel
[23:14] <Vorpal> fair enough
[23:15] <Vorpal> well I guess the stock raspbian kernel is lacking then.
[23:15] <jakllsch> not lacking, just old
[23:15] <Vorpal> any specific reason you don't want that kernel?
[23:15] <jakllsch> because the hardware vendor shouldn't be supplying my software
[23:15] <Vorpal> uname claims my kernel version is the interesting number "3.6.11+"
[23:16] <jakllsch> 3.2.0-4-rpi here
[23:16] <Vorpal> yeah, I wonder why that is so out of date
[23:16] <Vorpal> I guess they try to match the upstream wheezy kernel?
[23:17] <Vorpal> yeah looks like it, my wheezy desktop is running 3.2.0-4-amd64
[23:17] <jakllsch> maybe? that it even supports vchiq...
[23:17] <Vorpal> well that is the reason then
[23:17] <jakllsch> i don't like the reason. :-)
[23:17] <Vorpal> file a bug then!
[23:17] <Vorpal> you could build your own kernel I guess
[23:17] <Vorpal> you probably either want to cross compile or distcc that though
[23:18] <Vorpal> probably cross compile if you are using the sd card instead of a USB HDD
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[23:18] <Vorpal> jakllsch, anyway installing that newer kernel would probably work, I guess the old kernel simply can't support that patch required or something like that
[23:19] <jakllsch> so basically, raspbian itself is worthless
[23:19] <Vorpal> well, only if you want to do video
[23:19] <jakllsch> the fucking SoC is made for video
[23:19] <Vorpal> I use mine as a server, it would work fine as that with the older kernel
[23:20] <Vorpal> jakllsch, you can use it for a lot of things though
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[23:22] <gnarface> jakllsch: maybe your problem is ffmpeg is fucking ghetto as shit and you should be using avconv on wheezy-based systems if you want any hope of it working to begin with?
[23:23] <jakllsch> uh?
[23:23] <jakllsch> omxplayer depends on it's own build of ffmpeg
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[23:25] <gnarface> i'll withhold my opinion of omxplayer because it is pretty young and deserves a break
[23:25] <jakllsch> argh.
[23:26] <jakllsch> switched to the raspberrypi.org kernel and now my openafs module needs rebuilding, if it'll even build at all
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[23:26] <jakllsch> i'm betting raspberrypi-bootloader has no headers available
[23:26] <taza> RPi is a bit rough around the edges
[23:26] <jakllsch> no shit
[23:30] <axelm7> well, after reading about this ftdi issue, it seems that the problem is in the USB software stack
[23:30] <jakllsch> which is compounded by the crappy dwc_
[23:30] <jakllsch> otg hardware
[23:30] <axelm7> a post from April 23rd by gsh says that a fix will be released when it's ready
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[23:31] <axelm7> apparently if I set the USB port to full speed (usb 1.1) instead of high speed (usb2.0) the chances of having a lockup are highly reduced, but the ethernet adapter works really slowly because it's usb
[23:32] <axelm7> unfortunately I need this to work 24x7 unattended and headless
[23:32] <axelm7> damn, there goes 1000 bucks
[23:33] <taza> ... there's a reason why SOP always includes first building one instance of a solution and testing it.
[23:34] <Vorpal> axelm7, well, as taza said, RPi is a bit rough around the edges.
[23:34] <Vorpal> I wouldn't use it in an industrial application at all.
[23:34] <taza> Me neither, mine is a media server.
[23:34] <axelm7> taza. come on. an ftdi chip over usb? that's almost like saying that a usb keyboard misses characters
[23:34] <axelm7> ;)
[23:35] <taza> ... that's actually true in certain situations.
[23:35] <Vorpal> I use mine as a general server, vpn, ssh, radius (yeah I use WPA 2 Enterprise at home)
[23:35] <axelm7> yeah I know, just read about it
[23:35] <axelm7> happened to me with a Dell keyboard
[23:35] <Vorpal> any keyboard that doesn't have n-key rollover will miss characters ;Å
[23:35] <Vorpal> err ;P*
[23:35] <Vorpal> (P and Å are next to each other on Swedish keyboards)
[23:36] <axelm7> sorry for my ignorance, what's an n-key rollover
[23:36] <taza> And with certain power supplies the keyboard will just do whatever it pleases.
[23:36] <Vorpal> axelm7, if you press too many keys at once your keyboard won't register all the key presses. Because how it is wired internally
[23:37] <Vorpal> there isn't one GPIO per key in the keyboard control chip
[23:37] <taza> Well usually.
[23:37] <Vorpal> rather you have a matrix setup
[23:37] <Vorpal> unless your keyboard has n-key rollover that is
[23:37] <Vorpal> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(key)#n-key_rollover
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[23:44] <axelm7> just ran rpi-update, the kernel was updated. apparently it's not locking up any more now :)
[23:45] <taza> There's a reason four-nines uptime gear is thousands, nine-nines is millions and RPi is less than $50.
[23:45] <Vorpal> oh nice, still wouldn't use it in an industrial application though
[23:45] <taza> Eh, it might do. Might.
[23:46] <Vorpal> millions in what currency?
[23:46] <taza> USD
[23:46] <Vorpal> oh right *adjusts mental value by a factor of 7
[23:47] <axelm7> in my case it's for a retail application
[23:47] <axelm7> for a gas station
[23:47] <taza> They do make nine-nines hardware/software combinations, and they have power of roughly a 486 and cost ~millions.
[23:47] <Vorpal> taza, don't forget radiation hardened space variants too
[23:48] <axelm7> I am considering trashing this and returning the money to the customer
[23:48] <taza> Those are what I'm talking about
[23:48] <Vorpal> That is a few steps up from that
[23:48] <Vorpal> oh right
[23:49] <axelm7> I thought the microUSB plug would be reasonable but it's just too weak
[23:50] <Vorpal> miro usb from a computer? Yeah not going to cut it probably
[23:50] <Vorpal> a dedicated charger isn't that expensive though
[23:50] <axelm7> no, I mean the microUSB connector
[23:50] <taza> How is it too weak?
[23:50] <axelm7> you barely move the cable and it reboots the pi
[23:50] <Vorpal> huh?
[23:51] <axelm7> I need something more robust
[23:51] <taza> That does not happen for me.
[23:51] <taza> I need to give it quite a tug for it to do anything.
[23:51] <Vorpal> Doesn't happen for me
[23:51] <taza> I've literally tripped on the cable and nothing
[23:51] <Vorpal> My phone stops charging when I move the connector slightly though
[23:51] <Vorpal> Unless it is the stock Samsung cable
[23:51] <axelm7> could be my wall charger that's about two years old
[23:51] <Vorpal> Yeah probably
[23:52] <Vorpal> try another one
[23:52] <Vorpal> I had problems with some connectors being a bit lose
[23:52] <taza> Likely, I've had problems with shitty chargers on other devices.
[23:52] <Vorpal> mostly cheap no-name cables
[23:52] <Vorpal> I seem to burn through a USB->microUSB every two months or so
[23:52] <Vorpal> for my phone that is
[23:53] <Vorpal> guess they aren't designed for handling the phone while charging
[23:54] <Vorpal> good night
[23:54] <taza> I got a special cable for that.
[23:54] <Vorpal> oh?
[23:54] <taza> One with a locking mechanism
[23:54] <taza> Only thing that's lasted for handling the phone
[23:54] <Vorpal> got a link?
[23:54] <taza> But, cya around I guess.
[23:54] <taza> Nah
[23:54] <taza> Weird no-name brand
[23:54] <Vorpal> no?
[23:55] <Vorpal> oh
[23:55] <Vorpal> well, night really now *disconnects from bouncer*
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