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[5:39] <Viliny> Hey hey!
[5:39] <Viliny> i finally set up my raspbi as wifi again
[5:39] <Viliny> i have it set up as a sort of surveillance / timelapse camera
[5:41] <Viliny> i had an 7-8 year old asus wifi dongle at first, now a netwjork pico
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[5:41] <Viliny> i see it stopped sending pictures 5 hours ago and i can't ssh into it anymore
[5:42] <Viliny> anyone else have this problem with wifi? i upgraded the OS yesterday and updated the firmware as well
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[5:46] <Viliny> it runs on a 1,2A Nokia microusb phone charger
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[5:46] <ParkerR> Viliny, What output amperage?
[5:46] <ParkerR> Derp
[5:46] <ParkerR> Nvm
[5:46] <Viliny> and the usb components, camera and wifi dongle, run on a usb hub with its own power source
[5:46] <ParkerR> Not used to seeing commas as the .
[5:47] <Viliny> yeah, localization i guess :)
[5:48] <Viliny> it doesnt't have this issue with ethernet
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[5:59] <Viliny> guess i'll just turn off the powersaving mode and make a watchdog script
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[6:19] <Viliny> i would have thought this would be a more common issue
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[6:33] <Viliny> maybe if my access point wouldn't be from 2005 (at least the firmware)
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[6:40] <Viliny> So what i gather from reading around that whats happening isn't actually strange
[6:41] <Viliny> it's just that my other devices have built-in reconnecters whilst my Pi doesn't appear to have one
[6:41] <Viliny> running headless so i suppose the wicd isn't running either
[6:43] <Viliny> now that i start examining the pictures more closely i can see that theres actually an hours skip in the later timestamps and some 20 minute ones before it cuts off completely
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[7:11] <ParkerR> Are there any new minimal raspbian images?
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[11:04] <RafaelK> hello folks
[11:07] <RafaelK> i'm compiling now php5 from dotdeb and it comes following error : "configure: error: Cannot find OpenSSL's libraries"
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[11:09] <RafaelK> i tied many solutions from forums and miling lists but no success
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> do you have openssl-dev installed?
[11:13] <RafaelK> jes
[11:13] <RafaelK> yes
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[11:15] <RafaelK> auch no openssl-dev can not be found
[11:15] <RafaelK> must i compile it ?
[11:18] <RafaelK> gordonDragon: do you mean libcurl4-openssl-dev?
[11:19] <RafaelK> gordonDrogon
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[11:37] <gordonDrogon> not sure - I'd need to check.
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[11:38] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's just libssl-dev
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[11:44] <RafaelK> libssl-dev and libcurl4-openssl-dev are installed
[11:45] <madduck> plugwash: do you know http://theiopage.blogspot.co.at/2013/04/enabling-hardware-h264-encoding-with.html ?
[11:45] <madduck> plugwash: maybe the author wants to integrate the work with raspbian?
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[11:48] <madduck> I left a comment…
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[12:55] <bertrik> something just went wrong during an apt-get upgrade, my /boot looks a bit empty now, what should normally be in there?
[12:56] <bertrik> I now in there: cmdline.txt, config.txt, issue.txt, start_cd.elf, start_x.elf, and .fseventd, .Trashes, ._.Trashes
[12:59] <bertrik> so, for example, there is no bootcode.bin
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[13:30] <sKeiths> bertrik : http://paste.debian.net/5334/
[13:31] <bertrik> thanks, I'm started to get a bit worried :)
[13:32] <sKeiths> i think there is a command to rebuild boot.
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[13:33] <bertrik> When the bootloader gets upgraded I always get messages like Adding 'diversion of /boot/bootcode.bin to /usr/share/rpikernelhack/bootcode.bin by rpikernelhack'
[13:33] <bertrik> and later in the upgrade process: Removing 'diversion of /boot/bootcode.bin to /usr/share/rpikernelhack/bootcode.bin by rpikernelhack'
[13:34] <sKeiths> have you a kernel .img file in the boot dir?
[13:35] <bertrik> I'll reboot and check (it's hanging now in apt-get)
[13:35] <sKeiths> rebooting may not be a good option until you fix the /boot directory.
[13:36] <bertrik> meh, it's not booting, green led flashes 3 times
[13:39] <bertrik> there is a bootcode.bin on the card, but no .img files
[13:43] <sKeiths> for some reason, apt-get deleted your kernels. very strange, I thought it renamed old kernels. sounds like grub was missing too. did you run out of disk space during apt-get?
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[13:48] <sKeiths> if you ignore the fact that this is ubuntu and not raspbian, then you see how to fix after failed apt-get upgrade caused by disk full. http://findings.frankgeerlings.com/post/14257073902/fixing-apt-get-when-your-disk-is-full-ubuntu-debian
[13:49] <bertrik> sKeiths: yes, stuff seems to have been deleted by apt-get. I don't think the disk was full (it's a 8 GB card and I haven't installed a lot)
[13:50] <bertrik> I'll just do a reinstall
[13:50] <sKeiths> backup your home and reinstall
[13:51] <sKeiths> watch out for the write protect tab on those sd cards
[13:52] <sKeiths> on second thought, that wouldn't cause it as it would be read only all the way, so it couldn't have deleted the files.
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[15:47] <RafaelK> folks knows somebody sid repo?
[15:47] <RafaelK> or can i use debians sid?
[15:51] <muep> I would not expect debian's sid to work
[15:52] <muep> debian does not have an armv6 repository
[15:52] <RafaelK> yes but sources ;)
[15:53] <muep> well, source packages might work right away or with little tweaking
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[16:08] <DawgVonT> Hello,
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[16:09] <DawgVonT> where is the best place to buy a RPi?
[16:09] <PhotoJim> Depends where you live.
[16:09] * PhotoJim knows a good Canadian/US source but not others.
[16:10] <DawgVonT> Belgium :s
[16:10] <PhotoJim> EU, so wherever British people get them will probably work for you.
[16:10] <PhotoJim> should be easy to track down. They're made in Wales.
[16:10] <PhotoJim> now, at least.
[16:10] <DawgVonT> ooooh, thanks !
[16:10] <DawgVonT> I want to make a seedbox, is raspbian a good OS for that ?
[16:11] <RafaelK> DawgVonT http://piregistration.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html?none
[16:11] <PhotoJim> Sure.
[16:12] <RafaelK> DawgVonT http://www.minifo.com/fr
[16:13] <DawgVonT> ooow, thank ! just what I was looking for
[16:14] <vincent_c> muep: the pi should work fine with debian armel
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[16:15] <DawgVonT> what is the best way to power the RPi?
[16:16] <muep> vincent_c: yes but debian armel packages do not necessarily mix well with raspbian
[16:16] <sney> cell phone charger seems to be the standard
[16:16] <muep> vincent_c: my impression is that debian armel uses a different C function calling convention than raspbian
[16:17] <vincent_c> right, I was assuming that RafaelK was talking about using sid standalone
[16:18] <sney> there's no reason you couldn't toss a deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian sid main into your sources.list and backport whatever you're wanting to use/upgrade
[16:18] <sney> though some things will have dependency issues
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[16:25] <\\Mr_C\\> they just called me today, element14
[16:26] <\\Mr_C\\> asking how i liked the camera module and the raspberrypi and gave me a discount on my next purchase for doing the survey
[16:26] <DawgVonT> and how is the camera?
[16:26] <\\Mr_C\\> really good
[16:27] <DawgVonT> what do you use it for ?
[16:28] <\\Mr_C\\> i was asking her about the dsi port and if they were going to make a screen module as well, she said it has numerous requests and its highly possible
[16:28] <\\Mr_C\\> i just use it to play with right now
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[17:13] <plugwash> madduck, I was vaugely aware that someone was working with gstreamer and openmax
[17:14] <plugwash> but AIUI they are using gstreamer 1.0
[17:14] <plugwash> so IMO it's not really suitable for raspbian wheezy but it may be appropriate for raspbian jessie if debian are planning to migrate to gstreamer 1.0
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[17:18] <plugwash> PhotoJim, DawgVonT unfortunately mainland european users seem to be getting the short straw
[17:18] <plugwash> with the distributors pushing them to crappy resellers
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[19:23] <Mdrake> hello
[19:23] <Mdrake> How would i got about building my own fs image and kernel?
[19:24] <sney> with debootstrap, mostly
[19:24] <sney> there's a script somewhere as well
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[19:25] <Mdrake> I have some basic linux useage down
[19:25] <Mdrake> Like intermerdiate stuff
[19:25] <Mdrake> Should I use my unbuntu server to make the distro?
[19:25] <Mdrake> or do it on the pi itself
[19:26] <Mdrake> and what is the current version of raspbiean offer on the raspi site?
[19:26] <Mdrake> Apricot or Picses
[19:27] <Mdrake> Because i see refrence tarballs
[19:28] <Mdrake> rpi_pisces_r3_sources.tbz ?
[19:28] <sney> I don't know what those are.
[19:28] <sney> raspberrypi.org doesn't have a lot to do with raspbian
[19:28] <sney> there's a lot of information on elinux.org though
[19:29] <Mdrake> THe tarballs are on rasbiean main site
[19:29] <Mdrake> http://archive.raspbian.org/images/
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[19:29] <sney> oh, I see. board codenames.
[19:29] <Mdrake> what should i use
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[19:30] <Mdrake> it seems that the tarballs are outofdate
[19:30] <sney> there haven't been new official images in some time, afaik
[19:31] <Mdrake> Why does the raspi.org say that its current as of 2013?
[19:31] <Mdrake> 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.zip.torrent
[19:31] <sney> well use that then
[19:32] <Mdrake> i dont have soruce tarball for tha
[19:32] <Mdrake> t
[19:32] <sney> you don't need the source code
[19:32] <sney> making a filesystem image doesn't involve compiling all the individual packages
[19:32] <Mdrake> Ok
[19:32] <Mdrake> what does it involve then
[19:33] <Mdrake> I know how to compile the kernel
[19:33] <Mdrake> Filesystems images are a bit cloudy
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[19:34] <sney> making the image involves running debootstrap to install a base raspbian system either to your sd card or to an empty file, then switching it back and forth a lot or doing the whole thing inside qemu until you have a working system
[19:35] <sney> there is a script that automates it but I don't remember the url
[19:36] <sney> http://linux.die.net/man/8/debootstrap is how to use debootstrap. the elinux.org wiki has most of the rest of the information. you may need to refer to the debian install guide as well.
[19:37] <plugwash> the script and associated files I use for building images are available at http://plugwash.raspbian.org/buildimage-20130519.tbz
[19:38] <sney> neat!
[19:39] <plugwash> it makes quite a few assumptions about the environment it's running in, in particular it needs a copy of the version of losetup from the latest util-linux (the version in debian is not new enough) and if you want to use the source pack building stuff you will also need a local copy of sourcearchive.raspbian.org and a copy of the raspbian tools ( authorized_keys )
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[20:20] <Mdrake> now
[20:20] <ParkerR> Now
[20:21] <Mdrake> do i use plugwash on the pi itself or on a linux server
[20:22] <ParkerR> Mdrake, You inject plugwash into the Pi and let him do his thing
[20:23] <plugwash> The script I wrote was intended to be run on an x86 server
[20:23] <plugwash> hence why it uses qemu
[20:24] <plugwash> it also does a lot of the work on tmpfs which is fast but ram hungry (the box I run it on has 16GB of ram)
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[20:39] <Mdrake> ok
[20:39] <Mdrake> my server is small
[20:39] <Mdrake> it only has 4 gb
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[20:56] <plugwash> mmm, 4GB is probablly plenty
[20:56] <plugwash> but if you were going to adapt the script to run on a Pi you'd definately need to avoid tmpfs usage
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[21:25] <MDrake> where is the complete buildimage script?
[21:25] <MDrake> im on my linux server but everything is purple do to a shorted KVM
[21:26] <plugwash> <plugwash> the script and associated files I use for building images are available at http://plugwash.raspbian.org/buildimage-20130519.tbz
[21:26] <plugwash> <sney> neat!
[21:26] <plugwash> <plugwash> it makes quite a few assumptions about the environment it's running in, in particular it needs a copy of the version of losetup from the latest util-linux (the version in debian is not new enough) and if you want to use the source pack building stuff you will also need a local copy of sourcearchive.raspbian.org and a copy of the raspbian tools ( authorized_keys )
[21:27] <MDrake> im on unbuntu lts
[21:27] <MDrake> i apt-get losteup?
[21:29] <MDrake> Do i need the soruce archive if i want to install fluxbox and a new kerneL?
[21:30] <plugwash> no, the losetup in the repos of any version of debian or ubuntu isn't new enough. you need to manually build it from the latest upstream util-linux source and then copy it into a directory in your path with the name "losetup-2.23"
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[21:31] <plugwash> also the script needs to run as root and you need to create two directories called mountpoint and mountpoint2 in the directory created by extracting it
[21:31] <MDrake> h
[21:31] <plugwash> you don't need the sourcearchive mirror or the raspbian tools if you comment out the "source pack" building stuff.
[21:31] <MDrake> ok
[21:31] <MDrake> now
[21:31] <plugwash> I *think* that is everything but I mostly wrote this script for my own use
[21:32] <MDrake> I just get the newist utils and gcc?
[21:33] <plugwash> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/v2.23/util-linux-2.23.tar.bz2
[21:33] <plugwash> extract it, ./configure and make
[21:33] <plugwash> then find where it has put the binary "losetup" and copy it to a directory on your path with the name losetup-2.23
[21:35] <plugwash> as for the kernel the script uses one from the raspbian repo, it should be pretty easy to modify it to do whatever you want kernel wise though
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[21:43] <MDrake> its linking up now
[21:45] <MDrake> done
[21:45] <MDrake> it contains the losetup.elf file
[21:46] <MDrake> now where is the script package
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[21:48] <MDrake> i have it in a folder now
[21:48] <MDrake> i just exec the sh?
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[21:52] <MDrake> Its running now
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[21:56] <taza> Hey plugwash
[21:56] <taza> How untested is the new image build?
[21:57] <taza> "Existing issues theoretically fixed but not tested" "Existing issues fixed and tested, and it boots" or "Actually tested"?
[21:57] <MDrake> how do i get qemu arm static
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[21:59] <MDrake> I got it
[22:02] <taza> Also, related question: I'd want to add certain packages from the Foundation repos into the minimal raspbian (for omxplayer) - how would I go doing that?
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[22:05] <plugwash> taza, the first
[22:05] <plugwash> please do test it
[22:05] <taza> Heh.
[22:06] <taza> Yeah, I will, once I get things running.
[22:06] <MDrake> plug
[22:06] <MDrake> im running the script now
[22:06] <MDrake> once its finished i can change settings and rebuild?
[22:06] <MDrake> Is it like buildroot????????
[22:06] <taza> I was hoping more for the second case, but I suppose I can dig up my testing gloves.
[22:07] <plugwash> taza, if you add the foundation's repo then it will probablly want to replace my "raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel" with the foundation's "raspberrypi-bootloader", this shouldn't cause any problems though
[22:07] <plugwash> MDrake, never used buildroot
[22:07] <MDrake> Its quite fun
[22:07] <MDrake> www.buildroot.org
[22:07] <taza> That was a general question, in case there's a way to add only the parts of the repo that don't conflict. :P
[22:07] <MDrake> Buildroot is a set of Makefiles and patches that makes it easy to generate a complete embedded Linux system. Buildroot can generate any or all of a cross-compilation toolchain, a root filesystem, a kernel image and a bootloader image. Buildroot is useful mainly for people working with small or embedded systems, using various CPU architectures (x86, ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, etc.) : it automates the building process of your embedded system
[22:08] <plugwash> taza, not really, I hope that in time we can migrate stuff from the foundation repo to the rpi section of the raspbian repo
[22:09] <plugwash> mdrake mmm, buildroot seems to build from source while my script is just putting together packages from a repo
[22:09] <MDrake> if you could get buildroot working for rpi
[22:09] <MDrake> everyone can do what they want
[22:09] <plugwash> and other than specifying a name for the resulting image on the command line my script doesn't really have any settings, the idea is you modify it to do what you want.
[22:09] <MDrake> ok
[22:10] <MDrake> iosetup needs to be where again?
[22:10] <plugwash> umm it's losetup not iosetup
[22:10] <MDrake> Sorry
[22:11] <plugwash> and as I said it needs to be renamed to losetup-2.23 and copied to a directory on your path (e.g. /usr/bin)
[22:11] <MDrake> irc font looks horrible
[22:11] <MDrake> ok
[22:11] <plugwash> tools like buildroot have their uses but IMO a package based approach is far more sane for any device that isn't "build and forget"
[22:11] <plugwash> or "build and wipe the whole OS image to upgrade"
[22:12] <MDrake> ok
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[22:12] <MDrake> Your doing it like the wii linux folks do
[22:12] <MDrake> wiilinux was awsome
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[22:16] * plugwash finds the idea of game console linux ports underwhelming
[22:16] <plugwash> too bulky and power hungry for embedded work, too little ram to make good desktops
[22:17] <PhotoJim> it's a cool idea, but not terribly productive.
[22:18] <MDrake> Yeah the wii sucked compraed to the raspi
[22:18] <MDrake> THis was before the raspi was made
[22:18] <MDrake> wiilinux is dead now
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[22:21] <MandrakeF> back under proper irc client JIRC
[22:21] <plugwash> "THis was before the raspi was made" <-- true but the only really innovative thing about the Pi was it's price....
[22:21] <MandrakeF> and its relaitive speed
[22:22] <MandrakeF> Raspi is more open, doesnt brick easy
[22:22] <MandrakeF> and runs better than the shitty PPC core in the wii
[22:23] <MandrakeF> Trying to get a linux distro running was horrible
[22:23] * plugwash was thinking of the beagleboard series. Similar concept to a Pi and comparable or greater CPU power but more expensive and been arround for quite a few years now.
[22:24] <MandrakeF> beagleboards are a bit too pricy for what they are
[22:24] <plugwash> though the wii is admittedly a couple of years older than that
[22:24] <MandrakeF> Yeah it is.
[22:24] <MandrakeF> Wii linux i think i used in 2008
[22:25] <plugwash> which was just about when the beagleboard was first being released
[22:25] <MandrakeF> oodfinder??
[22:25] <MandrakeF> OHH
[22:26] <MandrakeF> SH!T
[22:26] <MandrakeF> how do i disable sorucepack
[22:26] <plugwash> add an "exit 0" to the script before the part of the script that generates that stuff
[22:27] <plugwash> or just let it fail there.......
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[22:27] <plugwash> by the time it reaches that point it will already have built the "plain" image but not the sourcepack (or the image with integrated sourcepack)
[22:27] <MandrakeF> echo Build finished
[22:27] <MandrakeF> read
[22:27] <MandrakeF> exit 0
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[22:27] <MandrakeF> :D
[22:28] <MandrakeF> where does the main initscript live again?
[22:29] <MandrakeF> also magicly it seems that theres no kernel config!!!
[22:29] <MandrakeF> does this just make a root?
[22:30] <MandrakeF> err useland
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[22:31] <MandrakeF> how would I add updated packages
[22:31] <MandrakeF> like MC and FLuxBox
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[22:35] <MandrakeF> oh
[22:35] <MandrakeF> does debianfrontend
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[22:35] <MandrakeF> add a pakcage?
[22:36] <plugwash> the debianfrontend stuff is just to make sure it doesn't ask any configuration questions while installing stuff
[22:36] <MandrakeF> ok
[22:36] <MandrakeF> to add new packages I would
[22:36] <MandrakeF> and to config the kernel
[22:37] <MandrakeF> and will it get all the deps?
[22:37] <plugwash> To add new packages you'll want to add your apt repository to the lines that set up the apt repository, add a line to run apt-key add in the chroot to add the key for it and then add a line to run apt in the chroot to install it
[22:38] <MandrakeF> ok
[22:38] <MandrakeF> will it get the deps?
[22:38] <plugwash> Apt will get the dependencies if it can find them in a repo that is in sources.list just like on any other debian based system
[22:38] <MandrakeF> Ok]
[22:38] <MandrakeF> danke
[22:39] <MandrakeF> but the kernel is seprate?
[22:39] <MandrakeF> Ill ust build off of what i know from elinux?
[22:40] <plugwash> The kernel is installed from the raspbian repository, if you want a custom kernel you'll want to remove the command that installs our kernel package and replace it with something to install your kernel (either from a package or otherwise)
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[22:40] <MandrakeF> ok
[22:40] <MandrakeF> chroot mountpoint apt-get clean is that suposted to be there
[22:40] <MandrakeF> is there a pcakge called clean?
[22:41] <plugwash> No, that's not a package name it's an apt-get command
[22:41] <sney> apt-get clean is a command that removes anything existing in the package cache
[22:41] <MandrakeF> ohh k
[22:41] <plugwash> which means it remove all the crap from the cache
[22:41] <sney> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf
[22:41] <MandrakeF> K thx
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[22:47] <plugwash> The kernel is installed from the raspbian repository, if you want a custom kernel you'll want to remove the command that installs our kernel package and replace it with something to install your kernel (either from a package or otherwise) <-- and you will also want to change the config.txt generation to actually boot the kernel you have installed
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[23:17] <jedix_> hi, is anyone else having trouble getting sound with omxplayer while mplayer works just fine?
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[23:20] <Mogwai> jedix_: Add -o hdmi ?
[23:20] <jedix_> Mogwai: thanks, tried "-o hdmi" and "-ohdmi", but no effect
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[23:20] <jedix_> (btw, video works perfectly)
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[23:43] <MandrakeF> Thanks
[23:43] <MandrakeF> That autoconfig script was pisseasy
[23:43] <MandrakeF> does it include python by defauklt??????????????????????
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