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[0:12] <atek128> anyone else set up a headless rpi as a mpd server?
[0:12] <atek128> http://lesbonscomptes.com/pages/raspmpd.html
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[11:10] <gnarface> woohoo
[11:10] <gnarface> dlink dwa-121 didn't fail to impress
[11:11] <gnarface> for cheap; would definitely recommend
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[11:40] <burbankboy> Hello. I'm not very familiar with Linux but I'd like to learn through Raspbian. I'm wondering, is it possible to code scripts that can interface with the system in the exact same way that a user does?
[11:40] <burbankboy> Is that what scripts do?
[11:40] <burbankboy> Like, can a script "pretend" to be a user and interact with the OS from a user perspective
[11:40] <burbankboy> move the cursor, etc
[11:40] <burbankboy> ?
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[11:41] <gnarface> burbankboy: moving the cursor is probably a pain in the ass but basically yes, that is what scripts do
[11:42] <patagonicus> burbankboy: I think that's possible, but most of the time you don't need that as nearly all functionality can be used without a graphical environment
[11:42] <linuxstb> burbankboy: That's not generally what a "script" will do. A script is more like a user running commands in a terminal.
[11:43] <burbankboy> Well
[11:43] <burbankboy> the cursor example was maybe overdoing it a little
[11:43] <burbankboy> what i was wondering was like
[11:43] <burbankboy> should i think of scripts as an abstraction of the user, or as an application of the system?
[11:44] <gnarface> burbankboy: well, they can behave as both
[11:44] <burbankboy> the reason why im asking is because it will help me determine how to build my scripts
[11:44] <burbankboy> the reason why im asking is because it will help me determine how to build my scripts
[11:44] <burbankboy> the reason why im asking is because it will help me determine how to build my scripts.
[11:45] <linuxboy> burbankboy: what is the reason that you are asking?
[11:45] <burbankboy> Sorry
[11:45] <burbankboy> my client lagged out
[11:45] <burbankboy> haha linuxboy
[11:46] <burbankboy> Well, the way I learn stuff is, I first write an abstracted plan/blueprint or whatever
[11:46] <burbankboy> and then i segment every problem
[11:46] <burbankboy> and learn the proper solution/approach
[11:46] <patagonicus> Well, both. They can be, for example, used to have something done at regular intervals (via cron; backups etc.) or work the same way as a program the user would call.
[11:46] <burbankboy> so im sorta wondering if i should think of linux scripting as creating a "ghost user"
[11:46] <burbankboy> or merely as any other script
[11:47] <gnarface> burbankboy: maybe the reason you are confused is because linux allows you do do a lot more from a terminal than windows does. you should think of bash scripts as something like the equivalent of *.bat scripts, but with full access to the system
[11:47] <burbankboy> Oh god
[11:47] <burbankboy> bat..
[11:47] <burbankboy> *snif*
[11:47] <burbankboy> The good old days..
[11:47] <gnarface> but there are a lot of other languages you can write "scripts" in
[11:47] <burbankboy> Well, I was gonna focus on Py
[11:47] <burbankboy> Well okay, maybe I should tell you what I'd like to do instead :p
[11:47] <burbankboy> I'd like to set up a bunch of Pis in my office that do a bunch of different things. One would boot into desktop on launch
[11:48] <burbankboy> and then connect to the wifi
[11:48] <burbankboy> and then open a browser window, go into fullscreen, and navigate to a specific URL
[11:48] <gnarface> basically the other thing is that absolutely nothing is strictly mandatorily configured or manipulated by a mouse cursor except stuff that implies a mouse cursor by necessity (like a gui paint tool)
[11:48] <burbankboy> and the other ones would do similar things
[11:48] <burbankboy> yeah gnarface nevermind my saying that
[11:48] <linuxstb> burbankboy: For that example, you don't use a single script, you configure the different components of your Linux system to do those things.
[11:48] <burbankboy> i was doing a bad job asking my question
[11:49] <burbankboy> linuxstb: how could i make the browser go fullscreen on launch?
[11:49] <gnarface> burbankboy: scripts will by default always run as your own user. if you want to use scripts to control sock-puppet users try to use su or sudo
[11:49] <burbankboy> Well, nevermind
[11:49] <burbankboy> I'll trust you :)
[11:49] <burbankboy> gnarface: no thats fine
[11:50] <linuxstb> burbankboy: I don't know. You probably need to configure your desktop environment to launch your browser on startup, and then you probably need to pass a "go to full screen" option to that browser when it's launched by your desktop environment.
[11:51] <gnarface> burbankboy: some window managers can be set to automatically save the last browser position
[11:51] <burbankboy> What I want is: 1) One Pi device hooked up to a monitor that always feeds a website from over WiFi, and if WiFi goes down or the device loses power, it'll be able to restore itself as soon as connection is established again . 2) One Pi device hooked up to a projector as well as a dosbox account, that projects movies whenever a new one is added to a specific
[11:51] <burbankboy> folder.
[11:51] <burbankboy> Are these things plausible for a beginner to delve into?
[11:51] <gnarface> easily
[11:51] <burbankboy> linuxstb: alright
[11:52] <burbankboy> Also, is it plausible to use a Pi as a router for sharing 'net?
[11:52] <sKeiths> burbankboy. depends on browser. ff has option Check "Fullscreen at startup" and press OK.
[11:52] <burbankboy> sKeiths: Alright.
[11:52] <burbankboy> Well, okay.
[11:52] <gnarface> burbankboy: cron, omxplayer, and a browser of your choice (note the pi kinda sucks at rendering html) and some bash scripts should do it
[11:52] <patagonicus> burbankboy: I know someone who uses one as a router. With a USB-Ethernet-adapter, I think.
[11:52] <gnarface> i'm considering making mine into a wifi hotspot
[11:53] <burbankboy> If you have 3 different wifi dongles hooked up to a pi, will those three wifi adapters be completely independent of- and separate from each other?
[11:53] <burbankboy> or will they start messing each other up
[11:53] <burbankboy> is Linux smart like that?
[11:53] <burbankboy> Could I for example direct-connect a bunch of Pis via multiple dongles?
[11:54] <gnarface> burbankboy: sure if you know what you're doing. requires a lot of knowledge of routes and the network config
[11:55] <gnarface> burbankboy: making a browser auto-launch in fullscreen is a far simpler task
[11:55] <burbankboy> Well, I do know a bit of networking. Like, I'm a tech generalist and have dabbled with networking/computing for probably 15+ years
[11:56] <burbankboy> I just happen to lack in in-depth knowledge
[11:56] <burbankboy> and especially when it comes to linux
[11:56] <burbankboy> but that'd suffice, right?
[11:56] <burbankboy> for networking at least?
[11:56] <burbankboy> or would you say i'd need to learn more?
[11:56] <gnarface> well i'd say you'll need to learn more
[11:56] <burbankboy> ok.
[11:56] <patagonicus> burbankboy: It'll probably be easier to have one make a hotspot, but if you need a mesh network, there is some support for it in the kernel. But only with some dongles/drivers.
[11:56] <burbankboy> gotcha.
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> learn more...
[11:56] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: that ellipsis makes me think of ryu from street fighter
[11:57] <burbankboy> congrats. you just received him as my mental avatar
[11:57] <gnarface> burbankboy: but it'll help that you have some background understanding. this is probably also the most useful type of thing you can learn to do with linux
[11:57] <burbankboy> alright
[11:57] <burbankboy> I understand.
[11:57] <burbankboy> I'll leave that for later.
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> Pi is not the best networking platform... actually it's not the best at anything in particular other than being a nice little platform that lets you do a bit of everything.
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[11:57] <burbankboy> aye
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> so it can be used as a learning/teaching resource to understand the principles.
[11:58] <burbankboy> Well, I'm using them for individual tasks
[11:58] <burbankboy> perpetually
[11:58] <burbankboy> i just want to make sure everything's automated enough that it wont crash or go down due to some unforseen problem
[11:58] <burbankboy> and thats a good way to use them, right?
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> it's one way :)
[11:58] <burbankboy> :)
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> you might want to look at the Linux High-Availability stuff ...
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> but that's a whole new rabbit hold to vanish down for a while.
[11:59] <burbankboy> fine, ill do something crazy then
[11:59] <burbankboy> raspberry pi sex toys......
[11:59] <burbankboy> you just opened pandoras box, buddy...
[11:59] <gnarface> http://imgur.com/a/mZRWa
[11:59] <burbankboy> nah, i get you
[12:00] <burbankboy> gnarface: thats just so cool
[12:00] <gnarface> burbankboy: i thought so :)
[12:00] <burbankboy> But I could never butcher my beloved SNES like that
[12:00] <burbankboy> ENS*
[12:00] <burbankboy> NES*
[12:00] <gnarface> nah of course not
[12:00] <gnarface> you do that with a fried one
[12:01] <burbankboy> yeah
[12:01] <burbankboy> though iirc you can fix those easily :P
[12:01] <burbankboy> use a sega instead ;)
[12:01] <gnarface> this way it also can play mame
[12:02] <burbankboy> sweet.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/nes-controller-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[12:09] <gnarface> neato!
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[12:15] <burbankboy> I just finished setting up /etc/network/interfaces
[12:15] <burbankboy> do i need to reboot my system for it to have effect?
[12:15] <linuxstb> You can try "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
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[12:18] <burbankboy> thanks :)
[12:19] <Zero_Dogg> What's the security policy for Raspbian like? (ie. time to release updates etc., vs. that of Debian upstream)
[12:21] <gnarface> good question
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> I imagine it lags by the time it takes for the raspbian build engine to rebuild the packages that gets change, but plugwash will be the one to answer that.
[12:33] <burbankboy> So which is the default browser?
[12:33] <burbankboy> I try to open Midori but it just gives me a faq
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> change its homepage then.
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[15:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
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[16:15] <Nathan> hi
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[16:16] <Guest93686> hi
[16:16] <Guest93686> anyone online
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[16:16] <PhotoJim> One must wait more than 80 seconds for a response...
[16:18] <sney> must not have been that important
[16:19] <PhotoJim> I'm always surprised at how impatient people are.
[16:19] <PhotoJim> when I discover new chat channels I stay for hours. sometimes it's a day before someone says hi :)
[16:19] <PhotoJim> even if you don't run a persistent client, it's not hard to stay connected for an hour or two.
[16:23] <sney> yep
[16:23] <sney> the kids are too impatient for IRC
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> yea, just us old timers :)
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[16:28] <OliverJW> being 24 do I count as an old timer?
[16:29] <PhotoJim> only if you actually used dial-up Internet for a time
[16:29] <OliverJW> I did. So I guess I am
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> if 24 is an 'old timer' then I wonder what it makes me )-:
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> positively ancient by that scale...
[16:29] <PhotoJim> you qualify in spirit, if not in wrinkles.
[16:29] <PhotoJim> Oliver, I mean.
[16:30] <PhotoJim> if you used BBSes then you really get street cred.
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[16:31] <OliverJW> I love IRC. It doesn't bug you the moment a message comes in. Hours can pass between users but you don't lose the thread of a conversation.
[16:32] <PhotoJim> No.
[16:32] <PhotoJim> I'm on a local chat channel. Occasionally if people are busy it can take two days to finish a conversation. But they do get finished. :)
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[17:19] <cwong2012> whats the package name for the raspberry camera util? raspivid and raspistill
[17:23] <\\Mr_C\\> not sure, but if you run raspi-config and enable camera
[17:23] <\\Mr_C\\> it installs them i think
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[18:04] <linuxstb> cwong2012: libraspberrypi-bin
[18:06] <cwong2012> ah. thanks.
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[18:06] <cwong2012> guess my version is not up to date.
[18:08] <cwong2012> so does raspi-config > enable camera : just loading kernel modules or something? it would be nice to know what the steps are instead of just pressing enable, ok.
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[18:11] <Mogwai> cwong2012: It sets three lines in /boot/config.txt: gpu_mem=128 | start_file=start_x.elf | fixup_file=fixup_x.dat .. that's it
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[18:11] <cwong2012> AH.. that explains the reboot
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[18:14] <cwong2012> Mogwai: i see. i just did a apt-get upgrade and its updating my bootloader
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[18:16] <cwong2012> does anyone know if the camera module works with motion(1)?
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[18:19] <Mogwai> cwong2012: Yes, I believe there are posts on the forums that describes how to do that .. basically you need to cobble together something that takes images from the cam and serve it as a netcam stream to Motion
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[18:21] <cwong2012> Mogwai: oh.
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[19:23] <guysoft_laptop> hey all, is there a way to view the packages list and changelog of raspbian? like in debian?
[19:24] <PhotoJim> if there's a way to do it at the command line in Debian, you can do the same thing in Raspbian.
[19:24] <guysoft_laptop> i get: Failed to fetch the changelog for raspi-config URI was: http://archive.raspberrypi.org/pool/main/r/raspi-config/raspi-config_20130520_all.changelog
[19:25] <guysoft_laptop> also there is none at: http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/r/raspi-config/raspi-config_20130520_all.changelog
[19:36] <linuxstb> guysoft_laptop: I would guess that just means the raspi-config maintainer/packager hasn't provided a changelog
[19:39] <guysoft_laptop> linuxstb: i can't find any. In debian they have something like this: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
[19:40] <guysoft_laptop> linuxstb: its not only the raspi-config. furthermore you have to provide a changelog in a debian package to up the version, its how they are built
[19:41] <linuxstb> guysoft_laptop: I've just been testing in raspbian. "apt-get changelog libxml2" works for example, but not "apt-get changelog omxplayer"
[19:42] <linuxstb> So it seems to be an issue with the Raspbian-specific packages
[19:46] <gregoa> especially since they are _not_ in raspbian but at archive.raspberrypi.org :) (i.e. the raspi foundation's repo)
[19:46] <guysoft_laptop> linuxstb: yes, you seem to be right
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[19:48] <guysoft_laptop> gregoa: so shal we torch the offices at Cambridgeshire? or is there a way to actually see what changed? Do they have any kind of source version control?
[19:49] <gregoa> guysoft_laptop: sorry, no idea about the details of their packaging
[19:52] <gregoa> guysoft_laptop: here's the repo for rpi-update: https://github.com/asb/rpi-update
[19:52] <gregoa> guysoft_laptop: ah, and also https://github.com/asb/raspi-config
[19:53] * linuxstb can't remember adding archive.raspberrypi.org to his apt sources ;)
[19:53] <linuxstb> Is that the "rpi" bit?
[19:53] <gregoa> linuxstb: it hides in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list :)
[19:54] <guysoft_laptop> aha! https://github.com/asb/raspi-config/commits/master , thanks gregoa :)
[19:54] <linuxstb> gregoa: Cheeky of it.
[19:54] <gregoa> :)
[19:55] <guysoft_laptop> gregoa: strange, they do have a changelog, they have to with debian packages. its just not published: https://github.com/asb/raspi-config/commit/b3c45a04f5cf8a74872b7af7501d23bb77984317
[19:55] <gregoa> guysoft_laptop: ack, just missing in the repo setup
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[19:55] <gregoa> *their
[19:55] <guysoft_laptop> gregoa: yes indeed, I guess someone could tell them
[19:56] <linuxstb> I think all the foundation's stuff is on github somewhere, so the info is there (although not always very detailed, especially with firmware changes)
[19:57] <guysoft_laptop> linuxstb: we already found it
[19:57] <guysoft_laptop> linuxstb: https://github.com/asb/raspi-config/commit/b3c45a04f5cf8a74872b7af7501d23bb77984317
[19:58] <linuxstb> guysoft_laptop: Yes, I read that ;) I was just saying more generally (as all their other packages are missing changelogs)
[19:58] * guysoft_laptop messages a debain developer that might know. If there is a one-liner. I guess we could e-mail Alex Bradbury
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[19:58] <guysoft_laptop> linuxstb: they have changelogs inside the .deb pagckaegs. you need to generate them somehow
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[20:10] <burbankboy> Can someone pleaseh help?
[20:10] <burbankboy> I hid the NetSurf menu bar
[20:10] <burbankboy> and now i cant open the menu anymore, not even with keyb. shortcuts
[20:10] <burbankboy> what can i do? :/
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[20:11] <burbankboy> also how can i set focus to the content area
[20:11] <burbankboy> without a mouse
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[20:12] <Mandrake_Linux> hello
[20:13] <Mandrake_Linux> Plugwash, Your buildscript is nice
[20:19] <burbankboy> ugh
[20:20] <Mandrake_Linux> what happend/
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[20:22] <burbankboy> keyboard shortcuts not working
[20:23] <burbankboy> if i have the URL bar highlighted
[20:23] <Mandrake_Linux> on rpi or pc
[20:24] <burbankboy> rpi
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[21:48] <Guest0697> ahoy
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