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[8:16] <_raven_> hi
[8:17] <_raven_> i need a webcam on raspberry. i connected two which run with other linux systems. i have a /dev/video0 but vlc for example tells me "cannot open video0". v4l* is installed - any ideas?
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[8:48] <_raven_> anyone there?
[8:49] <adeus> access rights?
[8:52] <lordievader> I don't really have experience with this, but should the user be in the 'video' group? Or some other group like that?
[8:52] <adeus> well yes, usually video group
[8:52] <lordievader> This might help: http://linux.about.com/od/wcm_howto/a/hwtwcm04t01.htm
[8:53] <adeus> ls -l /dev/video0 will tell you if that's true or not
[8:58] <_raven_> you were right i was not in the group vidoe
[8:58] <_raven_> tnx for the hint ;)
[8:59] <adeus> you need to relogin to make it into effect
[9:00] <_raven_> yes
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[9:01] <adeus> or sometimes I do "exec su - $USER"
[9:02] <adeus> if I need the same shell env for some reason
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[10:02] <surfn> hi
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[10:07] <mrlo> Hi
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[12:16] <burbankboy> Is it legal to sell packaged versions of raspberry pi
[12:16] <maswan> yes
[12:17] <maswan> if you have raspbian on it you need to also provide the source or access to the source somehow to conform to some of the open source licenses like the GPL
[12:18] <burbankboy> will linking to the source on the raspbian website suffice?
[12:20] <adeus> if you don't change it, yes
[12:20] <burbankboy> what constitutes as changing it?
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[12:24] <adeus> modifying the source in some way to change it's functionality
[12:24] <adeus> the exact lawyer speak is in the gpl text
[12:26] <burbankboy> hm
[12:26] <burbankboy> wel
[12:26] <burbankboy> l
[12:26] <burbankboy> idk what that means
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[12:26] <burbankboy> i just wanna build a lot of cool little devices and give them to people
[12:27] <burbankboy> without losing money on it
[12:27] <adeus> then you'll most likely not change the GPL parts
[12:27] <adeus> and be just fine
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[12:28] <adeus> (insert not a lawyer disclaimers here)
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[12:37] <burbankboy> aight
[12:37] <burbankboy> cheer
[12:37] <burbankboy> s
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[12:41] <ParkerR> burbankboy, " give them to people" " to sell packaged versions"
[12:41] <ParkerR> So which is it? :P
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[12:46] <ParkerR> Because as far as I know if you are just gifting then you don't have to do much if anything. If you are charging for the package then along the lines of what adeus said
[12:47] <linuxstb> I didn't think money had anything to do with the GPL?
[12:50] <burbankboy> ParkerR: i said gift without losing anything
[12:50] <burbankboy> i.e. only charge for production and time lost
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[13:36] <adeus> yeah you can charge whatever you want even if it's GPLd
[13:36] <adeus> it's another thing to make some one pay for it
[13:41] <linuxstb> Well, you can make the first person pay ;)
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[14:03] <kamicameleon> Bonjour
[14:04] <Lazerdye> Greetings.
[14:04] <kamicameleon> anybody ?
[14:04] <kamicameleon> hi !
[14:06] <kamicameleon> still working
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[14:08] <kamicameleon> i'm working on my pi (on house) from my work over ajaxterm and/or shell in a box
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[14:09] <kamicameleon> do you know i could do an export display on my desktop over https ?
[14:09] <dwatkins> you could run x11vnc and forward the port via ssh
[14:10] <kamicameleon> xming is on my desktop but i can't reach it by the normal way due to the firwall and proxy in my enterprise
[14:10] <kamicameleon> ssh is lock
[14:10] <kamicameleon> https : 443 is free
[14:10] <dwatkins> ssh, or just port 22? ;)
[14:11] <kamicameleon> both
[14:11] <kamicameleon> so right now i'm using shellinabox over 443
[14:11] <dwatkins> my point being, you could run the ssh daemon to listen on port 443 and it probably wouldn't notice
[14:11] <Lazerdye> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
[14:11] <kamicameleon> and i want make an export display by this way
[14:11] <kamicameleon> across my browser
[14:11] <dwatkins> ah, so you're already connecting via 443 to the ssh login daemon?
[14:12] <kamicameleon> yes
[14:13] <dwatkins> I suspect shellinabox isn't capable of forwarding ports, but if it can, you should be able to run a VNC server on the Pi and make the port it's listening on appear on your client machine so you connect to it locally.
[14:19] <kamicameleon> what i try to make is -> export DISPLAY something from my house to my work (my raspberry pi doing the reverse proxy and host shellinabox) (my work is an ssii with strong firwall / proxy and restricitve access
[14:19] <kamicameleon> the only port open are 80 and 443 on my work
[14:20] <dwatkins> I had similar requirements, kamicameleon - the simplest option is probably to use opennx or freenx.
[14:20] <dwatkins> That works over ssh
[14:20] <kamicameleon> and over https ,
[14:20] <kamicameleon> ?
[14:20] <dwatkins> You'd need an ssh server and the nx server running on the server.
[14:20] <kamicameleon> it's okey
[14:21] <dwatkins> There's a free version in Ubuntu, I'm not sure it's in the Pi repos.
[14:21] <kamicameleon> i will install an nxserver on my pi then
[14:21] <dwatkins> you might find you need to use opennx instead, if you have a Mac running Mountain Lion as a client.
[14:21] <kamicameleon> what's thepart of an nx server ?
[14:21] <dwatkins> part or port?
[14:21] <dwatkins> nx connects via ssh
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[14:22] <kamicameleon> (port)
[14:22] <dwatkins> as long as you're running sshd listening on a port you can access (e.g. 443) you should be able to connect to it; you won't be able to use shellinabox at the same time, of course.
[14:22] <kamicameleon> ha ha but i need it for lunch my export display
[14:23] <dwatkins> you can make multiple ssh connections, however, so you can just use an ssh client on your local [client] machine such as putty, or whatever you might have by default
[14:23] <kamicameleon> yess
[14:23] <dwatkins> the display is exported over the ssh connection
[14:23] <dwatkins> with nx, that is
[14:23] <Lazerdye> Yeah, one way or another you need to be able to run "ssh <hostname>:<port>" from the command line for thiat to work, but <port> can be 443.
[14:23] <kamicameleon> ok
[14:23] <kamicameleon> ah ! ok i just have to make another sub-domain then
[14:24] <kamicameleon> like for run shellinabox and ajaxterm together
[14:24] <kamicameleon> ok
[14:24] <dwatkins> why?
[14:24] <dwatkins> can you not run an ssh client instead of using the browser?
[14:24] <kamicameleon> no
[14:24] <kamicameleon> no ssh on my work
[14:24] <dwatkins> you can't install anything locally?
[14:24] <kamicameleon> still very restricted
[14:24] <dwatkins> can you even run putty off a USB stick? ;)
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> maybe not trying to break out of works network might be a sensible career enhancing move :)
[14:24] <kamicameleon> yess i can install some client
[14:25] <Lazerdye> Or can you connect in the other direction, run a command at work to connect home?
[14:25] <kamicameleon> but no services or server soft
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[14:25] <kamicameleon> yes but over shellinabox (over 443)
[14:26] <kamicameleon> and sheelinabox on my pi forward to my home server
[14:27] <kamicameleon> but thanks for the advice (nx server) i will try few things
[14:27] <dwatkins> hope all goes well, kamicameleon - don't break the rules too much ;)
[14:28] <kamicameleon> ^^
[14:28] <kamicameleon> i'm working on a ssii, and five of my teamate have an raspberry pi
[14:29] <kamicameleon> it's a bet on the first who would make the proof of concepte
[14:29] <dwatkins> I'm not familiar with ssii, can you not just bring the pi into the office?
[14:30] <kamicameleon> yess of course, but not the rule of the bet
[14:30] <dwatkins> What kind of application are you making?
[14:30] <dwatkins> I'm using my Pi to graph the temperature in the office with munin and display it, which is really useful to show how hot it gets sometimes.
[14:32] <kamicameleon> we're planning to export snap from webcame on our own house
[14:33] <kamicameleon> (and another bet is on streaming mic from house and ear when a baby cry with the nany or other stuff like that
[14:34] <dwatkins> neat
[14:35] <kamicameleon> but the pi don't like stream raw sound from mic (mayby to much for handle it alone... an eepc would do the job, but since we're using pi ...
[14:36] <kamicameleon> the pi freez from time to time
[14:37] <kamicameleon> that the worst ... need to wait to go home for reboot-it
[14:39] <kamicameleon> what is "neat" ?
[14:40] <kamicameleon> m en
[14:44] <dwatkins> neat == cool
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[14:55] <kamicameleon> ok thanks
[14:56] <kamicameleon> my english is fluent but i still don't know "usual expression"
[14:56] <kamicameleon> ^^ and not neat .. that not working right know
[14:56] <kamicameleon> ;-)
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[15:04] <root____1> hello
[15:04] <root____1> whats up ?
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[15:10] <kamicameleon> hello
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[15:25] <angelos> so, what are raspbian's plans regarding jessie?
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[15:58] <kamicameleon> hello
[15:58] <sujal> konichi-wa
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[17:26] <dansan> hey guys. I have a pi with raspbian on it and I need to install my own kernel (of course, based upon the Raspbian kernel's .config), but this /boot doesn't look familiar. Is there a make target for this?
[17:26] <dansan> or is there some program to convert a kernel image?
[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> dansan, kernel.img is just the kernel. cmdline.txt is where you put the cmdline. Nothing tricky to it.
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[17:28] <dansan> ShiftPlusOne: well, yeah, when you "make" the kernel, it doesn't spit out a kernel.img, rather a vmlinuz
[17:28] <ShiftPlusOne> dansan, you'll want bzImage or whatever it's called. just rename it.
[17:29] <dansan> oh! I can rename it?
[17:29] <dansan> and it expects bz2 compressed?
[17:29] <dansan> that's good to know :)
[17:29] <dansan> updating my rpi tree though, so going to build a fresh one (last one I made was a few months ago)
[17:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think it HAS to be a compressed bz2 image, just vmlinuz may work.
[17:30] <dansan> ok, I'll give it a try, thanks
[17:30] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[17:31] <dansan> ShiftPlusOne: ahh, very helpful, ty!
[17:32] <ShiftPlusOne> It has been a while since I compiled a kernel, so trust that page if I have said anything that contradicts it. Good luck.
[17:32] <dansan> I can compile it, it was installing I was having a problem with :)
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[17:38] <rymate1234> hey
[17:38] <rymate1234> so i tried to install the build dependencies of Xorg with apt-get build-dep
[17:38] <rymate1234> it didn't return anything
[17:38] <rymate1234> wat
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[17:47] <rymate1234> slow day today huh
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[18:09] <ParkerR> rymate1234, Do you have a source repo in your apt sources?
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[18:11] <rymate1234> idk
[18:12] <rymate1234> no ParkerR
[18:13] <ParkerR> rymate1234, deb-src http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian wheezy main contrib non-free
[18:13] <ParkerR> Add to /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:16] <rymate1234> I feel stupid now, thanks :D
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[18:27] <Giric> Does anyone know how to access a Raspberry Pi on a home network via SSH from another network? For example, I have U-verse (2Wire wireless gateway) and several computers/devices connected to it, including a Pi. If I'm at work, how can I SSH to my Pi?
[18:27] <Giric> (Assuming I have SSH on the other machine.)
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[18:29] <Mogwai> Giric: Usually it involves two things, 1) Knowing the external IP of your home network which may be dynamic, in which case a service such as DynDNS can be used to find it 2) Forward the traffic on port 22 through your firewall to the Pi
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[18:31] <patagonicus> Giric: I use tinc for that, it's basically a P2P VPN (as in you can configure it so that every node tries to connect to every other node). I do have a server though both my Pi and my laptop connect to if a direct connection can't be established.
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[18:37] <Giric> Got disconnected. Was there any response to my question about SSH from away?
[18:37] <Mogwai> Giric: Usually it involves two things, 1) Knowing the external IP of your home network which may be dynamic, in which case a service such as DynDNS can be used to find it 2) Forward the traffic on port 22 through your firewall to the Pi.
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[18:38] <Giric> Thanks, Mogwai. Does the same work for VNC?
[18:38] <Mogwai> Giric: Yeah, same idea, different port
[18:38] <Giric> Okay, thanks. Maybe I can give it a shot from work tomorrow...
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[18:58] <dansan> hurray! I got my new kernel to boot! :) Now I can crash my pi instead of my workstation when testing my drivers :)
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[19:40] <bbaappttiissttee> Hi everyone, do you know if a new version of Raspbian is expected in the coming days?
[19:40] <ParkerR> Shouldnt be. It's already updated to wheezy final
[19:41] <bbaappttiissttee> Ok, thanks
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[19:54] <dwatkins> haha, looks like I have to install cups and ghostscript to use a bluetooth keyboard
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[20:15] <skr_> hai, i was try out raspberry pi with ds1307 but i am getting an error "hwclock: Timed out waiting for time change. hwclock: The Hardware Clock registers contain values that are either invalid (e.g. 50th day of month) or beyond the range we can handle (e.g. Year 2095)." what should i do???
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[21:10] <pirea> hy
[21:10] <pirea> ffmpeg is compiled with openmax il suport?
[21:10] <pirea> or something like this
[21:10] <pirea> ?
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[21:23] <kamicame1eon> Hello
[21:23] <plugwash> hi
[21:24] <kamicame1eon> wow
[21:24] <kamicame1eon> that's werd i'm logged twice ?
[21:24] <kamicame1eon> hi !
[21:25] <kamicame1eon> then my screen session at office isn't close .... more werd
[21:26] <kamicame1eon> i tought so
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[21:36] <kamicame1eon> hello
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[21:38] <kamicame1eon> everybody play with raspbian tonight ?
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[21:53] <btguest1> hello
[21:54] <kamicame1eon> ^^
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[22:12] <daveee123> hello
[22:12] <daveee123> kamicame1eon: is raspbian changing tonight?
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[23:05] <kamicame1eon> i dont' know
[23:05] <kamicame1eon> i will try an dist-upgrade
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[23:07] <kamicame1eon> juste a new package : x11-xserver-utils
[23:08] <kamicame1eon> tonight i will follow few step for host my own webmail on rasp
[23:09] <kamicame1eon> but i don't understand some option on postfix
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[23:11] <fomox> Good evening
[23:12] <kamicame1eon> hi
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[23:13] <kamicame1eon> everybody asleep ?
[23:13] <fomox> Not me ! :D
[23:14] <fomox> Does anyone know of software that allows me to do this? My father works with optics (takes test to decide what kind of glasses people need) and he wounders if it is possible to use the rapsberry pi to display images or a powerpoint without delay controlled by a ir remote (powerpoint remote)?
[23:14] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[23:14] <fomox> does anyone know what software I should go for?
[23:14] <kamicame1eon> do you use "screen" for stay here and do something else on second or third screen ?
[23:15] <fomox> I got two monitors yes
[23:15] <kamicame1eon> i know a soft who do that
[23:16] <kamicame1eon> http://youresuchageek.blogspot.fr/2012/07/mini-howto-xbmc-install-mce-remote.html
[23:16] <gnarface> fomox: i know if you drop the IR requirement and replace that with "arbitrary button on any usb device" you will dramatically reduce the configuration complexity of the solution. other than that I think its just a question of getting high enough dpi for the display. aren't those optical tests all done from like 2400dpi+ printouts on overhead projection?
[23:16] <kamicame1eon> that a good blog
[23:16] <fomox> gnarface: nah, its just normal pictures displayed on a normal monitor
[23:16] <fomox> preferably 4:3
[23:16] <gnarface> fomox: computer monitor displays don't seem to be high enough resolution from my memory of my last visit to the optometrist ...
[23:17] <fomox> then he`s lying :P
[23:17] <gnarface> well
[23:17] <kamicame1eon> who ?
[23:18] <fomox> Nidek uses a normal monitor and a small computer built into a really expensive frame
[23:18] <fomox> :P
[23:18] <fomox> kamicameleon: My last attemt at XBMC showed that it was really slow
[23:18] <gnarface> here's the short version: shouldn't be impossible but IR is a pain in the ass because there is nothing even approaching industry standard design or behavior, the most well supported ones in the kernel still are the old serial ones, so you gotta deal with converting serial to usb, and LIRCD is still in alpha after all these decades, and sometime in 2005 the internet lost all the documentation for it
[23:18] <kamicame1eon> your father intend to use an nano-projector with the rasp ?
[23:18] <fomox> gnarface: what about a bluetooth remote (ps3) ?
[23:19] <fomox> kamicameleon: nope, a normal computer monitor
[23:19] <gnarface> fomox: bluetooth used to all work really good in squeeze but as far as i know its utterly broken in wheezy and later for 99% of hardware in the wild too, so, i'd advise some sort of wired remote, actually. but if you get lucky bluetooth could work just like IR
[23:20] <fomox> the important part is that this never breaks
[23:20] <gnarface> get a really long keyboard chord extension then?
[23:20] <fomox> so if it can break with a wireless remote we`ll go with a wired
[23:21] <gnarface> well with bluetooth or IR, the case is gonna be finding a supported device for it, in USB form
[23:21] <gnarface> a supported host device
[23:21] <kamicame1eon> you find theme everywhere
[23:21] <fomox> so once it works it shouldnt break?
[23:21] <fomox> well, we could just use a wireless mouse
[23:21] <gnarface> yea, if you never upgrade the system after that
[23:21] <kamicame1eon> what do you mean by "break" ?
[23:21] <fomox> that might be the easyest?
[23:21] <fomox> break = stop working
[23:22] <gnarface> fomox: a wireless mouse or keyboard would definitely be the easist (also least secure, but i'm assuming you care little about that)
[23:22] <fomox> because when he will be using this software he will be about 200-300 km from me :P
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[23:22] <fomox> gnarface: I doubt someone will hack the keyboard, and if they do the only thing they can do is change image
[23:23] <fomox> :P
[23:23] <fomox> this thing wont be connected to the internet either
[23:23] <gnarface> yea its more about passwords floating over shortrange broad-spectrum RF with trivial encryption
[23:23] <kamicame1eon> ( ;-) my rasp is actually at 30km from me, i'm connected on over htts with shellinabox)
[23:23] <kamicame1eon> ah ! crap ! withour internet , no remote for your fzther
[23:24] <fomox> I dont see any need to passwordprotect this thing ^^
[23:24] <gnarface> wireless keyboard is definitely the easiest option then, since linux will see it as a normal keyboard
[23:24] <gnarface> no driver wrangling
[23:24] <gnarface> i do really wish IR and bluetooth were better supported though
[23:25] <kamicame1eon> my englis is fluent, but i don't know what do you mean by "wrangling"
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[23:25] <kamicame1eon> ?
[23:25] <gnarface> kamicame1eon: wrestling? its figurative speech, meant like "fighting"
[23:25] <fomox> kinda like wrestling I belive
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[23:26] <gnarface> its been since squeeze that i've been able to transmit any data over bluetooth (or do more than just ping a device) and since i believe etch or sarge that i've been able to get IR to work for both sending/receiving data
[23:26] <gnarface> the documentation available on both tasks has pretty much scattered to the 4 winds
[23:26] <fomox> what OS and software would you recommend for this? Speed is important (not having to wait 5-10 secounds to change picture /slide
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[23:27] <gnarface> kamicame1eon: wrangling is something you do to cattle. like herding
[23:27] <kamicame1eon> raspbian of course !
[23:27] <fomox> hehe :P
[23:27] <gnarface> fomox: yea use raspbian but don't use the pre-installed image from raspberrypi.org
[23:27] <kamicame1eon> ha ha ha
[23:27] <fomox> why not?
[23:28] <gnarface> fomox: its not actually officially supported by raspbian. its just provided as a courtesy by the hardware foundation for their new customers. use the installer here: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[23:28] <fomox> ah
[23:28] <kamicame1eon> i don't know thoses word : cattle. herding ... i hereby invoke you google translate !
[23:28] <fomox> thanks :D
[23:28] <gnarface> fomox: no problem. *that's* the official installer.
[23:29] <kamicame1eon> ok
[23:29] <fomox> what is faster, SD card or USB drive?
[23:29] <fomox> maby a stupid question?
[23:29] <fomox> depends on the SD card and the usb drive? :P
[23:31] <gnarface> fomox: depends on the flash, yes. however typically SD cards are marketed towards higher paying demograhics. i have had a lot of good luck with SanDisk Ultra II/III series high-speed professional camera grade SD cards.
[23:31] <kamicame1eon> if you buy an good SDHC (like thoses for professionals snapshoot )
[23:31] <gnarface> fomox: stay the hell away from anything marked "gamer" class flash, in either SD or USB form.
[23:31] <gnarface> gamer flash == for suckers
[23:31] <fomox> hehe
[23:32] <gnarface> however if you want CHEAP
[23:32] <kamicame1eon> From Class VI to X (not before)
[23:32] <gnarface> 8 GB USB sticks seems to be the sweet spot on price point
[23:32] <gnarface> but they will probably burn out easy
[23:32] <fomox> I never buy as cheap as possible
[23:32] <fomox> I go for quality :D
[23:32] <fomox> (apple)
[23:32] <kamicame1eon> but can you boot on usb stick and have your os on it on raspberry pi ?
[23:33] <fomox> (in case you didnt know, that was irony)
[23:33] <kamicame1eon> ir's not restricted to SD ?
[23:33] <gnarface> in either case, i'd recommend for read/write speed enchancement, and longer life, disable journaling, don't use swap or tmpfs, and just keep frequent backups
[23:33] <gnarface> kamicame1eon: only the boot sector has to be on the SD card. you can easily move the rest to a USB device after installation
[23:34] <kamicame1eon> but how do you disable tmpfs ?
[23:34] <gnarface> its not on by default
[23:34] <kamicame1eon> devtmpfs 216132 0 216132 0% /dev
[23:34] <kamicame1eon> tmpfs 44880 272 44608 1% /run
[23:34] <kamicame1eon> tmpfs 5120 0 5120 0% /run/lock
[23:34] <kamicame1eon> tmpfs 89740 0 89740 0% /run/shm
[23:34] <gnarface> kamicame1eon: those are fine.
[23:35] <gnarface> kamicame1eon: some people replace /tmp or /var with it too. i'd recommend against that, is all. because it chews up your ram
[23:35] <gnarface> you can always get more storage for the pi
[23:35] <gnarface> but you can't get more ram
[23:35] <kamicame1eon> right
[23:35] <kamicame1eon> my users are on my freebox
[23:36] <kamicame1eon> data on a nas
[23:36] <kamicame1eon> but hte whole system still on sd
[23:36] <kamicame1eon> *the
[23:37] <gnarface> eh
[23:37] <gnarface> i used a crappy 2GB SD card i wasn't doing anything else with
[23:37] <fomox> I allready have an os on the memorycard for the raspberry pi
[23:37] <fomox> can I just delete the files and drop those I downloaded on it?
[23:37] <gnarface> then i ran out of space and had to move /usr to an 8GB spare USB key
[23:37] <gnarface> fomox: probably
[23:38] <fomox> nice
[23:38] <gnarface> fomox: follow the directions though, doesn't it advise to use dd?
[23:38] <fomox> dd?
[23:38] <gnarface> fomox: i just know the boot sector has to be pre-formatted to fat32
[23:38] <kamicame1eon> yess
[23:39] <kamicame1eon> dd if=/dev/xxxx <- your sd of=/dev/zzzz <-- your new storage aera
[23:39] <fomox> didnt understand much of that
[23:39] <fomox> gnarface: I noticed that , but it probably is preformatted
[23:40] <fomox> Well, I`ll just try, its not like im gonna break anything :P
[23:40] <kamicame1eon> i will translate dd if=/dev/aaa of=/dev/bbb
[23:40] <gnarface> fomox: nevermind the installer doesn't mention dd. yes, as long as its fat32 (even pre-formatted) all you should have to do is delete everything and unzip the raspian installer files into it and boot
[23:40] <gnarface> fomox: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[23:40] <kamicame1eon> DiskDuplocate InFile= OutFile=
[23:40] <kamicame1eon> *duplicate
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[23:40] <kamicame1eon> ok
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[23:41] <gnarface> fomox: yea though, dd is useful. good to learn if you're gonna be wrangling disk images
[23:41] <kamicame1eon> there are few paths to do the job anyway
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[23:42] <kamicame1eon> like some peoples says = google is your friend
[23:42] <fomox> ah
[23:42] <fomox> Do I need it now?
[23:42] <kamicame1eon> ^^
[23:43] <fomox> If I can manage without I`ll pass :P
[23:43] <gnarface> fomox: no, you won't need it but its a great way to backup and restore disks when you don't have the right tools to deal with the filesystems inside them
[23:43] <gnarface> fomox: its also good for backing up a whole disk while keeping the partition table intact
[23:44] <gnarface> fomox: also good for erasing drives too
[23:44] <fomox> gnarface: I`ll make two SD cards so if one crash its just to replace it and everything is working again
[23:44] <gnarface> definitely a good plan
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[23:46] <drdrf> ?
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[23:46] <kamicame1eon> yep ! but keep in mind one thing -->> it's working on the twice direction ! if the wrong disk is on "if" and the good sik on "of" you copy the wrong to the good
[23:47] <gnarface> kamicame1eon: yes, dd is dangerous. but tar is also dangerous in the same way
[23:47] <kamicame1eon> ?
[23:48] <kamicame1eon> in which way ?
[23:48] <gnarface> kamicame1eon: this will also copy the wrong thing to your disk and hose it: tar xvpf /dev/sdb /home
[23:48] <drdrf> ?
[23:48] <gnarface> drdrf: don't try it
[23:48] <kamicame1eon> ^^
[23:49] <fomox> I hate cleaning, I always misplace things :(
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[23:49] <fomox> brb, insearting a switch between the computer and router
[23:50] <kamicame1eon> ?
[23:50] <drdrf> ?
[23:51] <drdrf> huh
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[23:54] <fomox> back :)
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[23:56] <plugwash> gnarface, the thing is that in general you'd be pretty unlikely to point tar at a "hard drive" device
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[23:56] <gnarface> plugwash: yes, and my command would have only probably given an error. you'd have to use c instead of x (i mistyped)
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[23:57] <gnarface> plugwash: nonetheless i've seen people actually do that
[23:57] <plugwash> whereas linux device naming makes no distinction between hard drives and SD cards so when imaging a SD card with dd it's a one character difference between doing what you want and hosing your hard drive
[23:57] <gnarface> plugwash: it starts with new linux users confusing /mnt/sda with /dev/sda
[23:58] <fomox> Is there any good software to remote control the raspbian from a windows computer?
[23:59] <plugwash> The device name for the SD card reader on one machine is the device name for the second hard drive on another :(
[23:59] <fomox> Not text based, I like GUI :D
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