#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-31

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[0:08] <harris> hello taza
[0:08] <taza> Not your personal support line, I'm afraid.
[0:08] <taza> I'm more or less busy.
[0:09] <harris> i just said hi
[0:09] <taza> Sorry, was expecting a support question. Anyway, busy.
[0:10] <harris> and just wanted to to say thank you
[0:10] <taza> Got it working eventually, huh?
[0:10] <bone-> how oddly-bot. And you can quote me on all this, too.
[0:10] <harris> no but parkerr in #raspberrypi is helping me
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[0:18] <bone-> as empires collapse the govworkers have only "theirselves" to seek employment/"interaction" from
[0:18] <bone-> ironicaly
[0:18] <bone-> And you can quote me on all this, too.
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[0:28] <harris> hey bone-
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[5:11] <JackShephard> i accidentally screwed up my system permissions hard on my pi :/ can't log into my user, nor my root user. i've tried extracting manually extracting data by putting the sdcard in my laptop, but no luck. permission error when i try to enter folders. anyone have any ideas on how i could grab a few folders off the sdcard?
[5:14] <gnarface> JackShephard: if you try to enter the folders as root, you should still be able to access them regardless of permissions.
[5:14] <gnarface> JackShephard: failing that, root should be able to override any permissions permanently
[5:14] <JackShephard> gotcha. i'll give that a whirl. thank you
[5:17] <gnarface> no problem
[5:24] <JackShephard> it worked like a charm, thank you so much :D
[5:25] <gnarface> no problem, that's basic info. pass it on
[5:26] <gnarface> generally applicable to basically all operating systems except Windows
[5:26] <JackShephard> indeed. i should have known - i've been babied by windows my whole life, i freaked out when the GUI told me i didn't have permission
[5:26] <gnarface> its just default security
[5:27] <gnarface> that's the part the apple commercials are talking about when they say "secure by default"
[5:27] <gnarface> but apple didn't have any part in doing it
[5:27] <gnarface> they are just copying it
[5:28] <JackShephard> haha yeah, man those commercials bug me. part of the reason i stopped watching TV
[5:28] <JackShephard> i'd like to fix the permissions on the entire sdcard, but it'll take some research to fix permissions systemwide. i do remember the stupid command i ran, chmod 644 /*
[5:28] <gnarface> in a linux system "root" is like the "Administrator" user on a NT/2000 box, with the difference being that even the directories and files in the filesystems themselves are "ownership aware"
[5:29] <gnarface> where in windows everyone can read everything
[5:29] <gnarface> (by default)
[5:29] <gnarface> or execute everything
[5:29] <gnarface> (by default - and this is horrible!)
[5:29] <JackShephard> yeah not a fan of it
[5:30] <gnarface> it makes it really easy for a virus infection to spread itself to other computers
[5:30] <gnarface> we literally wouldn't HAVE a worldwide MARKET for malware if it weren't for windows
[5:30] <JackShephard> i'm a windows desktop support dude, but i'm toying with unix-based OSs in my spare time and to me it's a "no-bullshit" OS
[5:30] <gnarface> yea, coming from a desktop background of sufficient experience you'll really like this stuff
[5:31] <gnarface> a linux box can force the users to behave themselves
[5:31] <gnarface> to a certain degree
[5:31] <gnarface> (much greater of a degree than a windows box)
[5:32] <gnarface> this is primarily of importance for network services and such; this means you can make your services like mail/dns/http run as non-administrative users, with permissions restricted to only the minimum they need to do their job
[5:32] <gnarface> so in theory if one of them is compromised by malware, the infection can't spread to the rest of the system
[5:32] <gnarface> you can contain and purge more easily
[5:32] <gnarface> less data loss
[5:33] <JackShephard> i'm sold
[5:34] <gnarface> my only real complaint after 16 years is you generally have to go on a quest to find the right documentation... and you have to be really careful to follow the *right* documentation
[5:34] <JackShephard> but it'll take time to get comfortable, i've already had to flash my sdcard a few times due to issues like this. but that was taking the easy way out
[5:35] <gnarface> since *nothing* is officially "official", figuring out who is the authoritative source on every little thing can seem daunting at first
[5:36] <gnarface> but its normal with any linux distro to hose your permissions or your package dependencies tree half a dozen or so times in the first week or two
[5:36] <gnarface> after a while you figure out where up is and down is
[5:36] <gnarface> and you learn that -r stands for "royal" and -f stands for "fuckup"
[5:37] <gnarface> most importantly you learn to run stuff *not* as root
[5:37] <gnarface> you learn to sandbox yourself
[5:37] <JackShephard> as in, not running commands while logged in as root, or using sudo before the command?
[5:37] <JackShephard> or is it one and the same?
[5:38] <gnarface> basically one in the same. simple methodologies can save you a huge amount of self-inflicted drama; know what you actually NEED root for, know to only use it when necessary, and to be very careful while using it
[5:38] <gnarface> also: keep backups
[5:38] <gnarface> i can't emphasize that enough
[5:39] <gnarface> but coming from a windows background you already know that part
[5:40] <gnarface> the difference is you have to be twice as careful in linux
[5:40] <JackShephard> yeah, backups with excluded directories was on my to do list but i put it on the backburner
[5:40] <gnarface> all the shell tools especially are ... way too powerful if you wield them as root
[5:41] <gnarface> nothing has a safety on by default
[5:41] <gnarface> everything can be weaponized
[5:41] <gnarface> there's a subversive nature to the whole thing that's not present in windows
[5:41] <gnarface> don't expect anything to be too shy to give you enough rope to hang yourself
[5:42] <gnarface> tar will happily take, as the output location, your boot sector, for example
[5:42] <gnarface> it won't even flinch
[5:42] <gnarface> and your boot sector won't even see it coming
[5:42] <gnarface> so the moral of the story; be careful where you point it
[5:43] <gnarface> (tar is the historical low-level archiving/backup utility, in case you didn't know)
[5:44] <JackShephard> yeah used it once or twice
[5:45] <gnarface> but... no registry!!! woohooo!!!!
[5:45] <gnarface> haha
[5:45] <JackShephard> god i'm sick of the registry, i don't miss it
[5:45] <JackShephard> when i go back to a windows machine it just feels like the GUI is getting in the way
[5:46] <gnarface> they messed up i think
[5:46] <gnarface> they painted themselves into a corner
[5:46] <gnarface> they served the customer too much, and ignored the developers and admins too much
[5:46] <gnarface> they shouldn't have obsoleted DOS
[5:46] <gnarface> they should have kept evolving it
[5:46] <gnarface> or at least the cmd interface
[5:47] <gnarface> big mistake to make the text interface a secondary priority
[5:47] <gnarface> IMO
[5:47] <gnarface> a text interface will always be the best type of interface for dealing with textual data
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[5:49] <JackShephard> i love the efficiency of it, the mouse only slows me down
[5:49] <gnarface> you can do stuff with bash and assorted shell tools in a couple hours that would take tends, even hundreds of thousands of dollars to do in windows, simply because for windows no solution exists and you'd have to pay VB developers to make a point+click interface
[5:49] <JackShephard> and i would love to migrate to something like ubuntu or archlinux, but i'm a gamer at heart and can't give up the "luxury" of gaming
[5:50] <gnarface> *tens, not tends, sorry
[5:50] <gnarface> unfortunately windows still has default primary support for all mainstream games
[5:51] <gnarface> but there's a change coming in the winds...
[5:51] <JackShephard> steam?
[5:51] <gnarface> the steam/nvidia/windows love triangle broke up
[5:51] <gnarface> and nvidia took an unexpected side in the conflict
[5:51] <gnarface> this will be big
[5:52] <gnarface> but frankly anything really popular you can get working satisfactorily in wine
[5:52] <gnarface> its usually a pain in the ass, but if its not supported on some level in wine, you have to ask yourself whether its worth playing
[5:53] <gnarface> eventually i answered myself "no"
[5:53] <JackShephard> true
[5:53] <JackShephard> but as of late i play a lot of indie games. which don't always have a huge following
[5:53] <gnarface> true but most the indie games are the first ones to also include linux support....
[5:53] <JackShephard> and i would dual boot, but it's a little too inconvenient for me
[5:53] <JackShephard> and i have around 200 games on my steam library, first world problems
[5:54] <gnarface> hah
[5:54] <gnarface> yea not all 200 of those will work in wine
[5:54] <gnarface> probably the 50 best ones, with some massaging
[5:54] <JackShephard> i will probably never play a good chunk of them, but god damn does it feel good to know i have the option to play all these different games...
[5:55] <gnarface> meh, i'm old, i like hard copies
[5:55] <gnarface> i own every nintendo...
[5:55] <gnarface> but i did buy a dozen or so of the first indie games to be released on steam when they opened it up to linux
[5:55] <gnarface> mostly cause they were a bargain
[5:56] <JackShephard> i as well...but they may be emulated. then again i am from a newer generation
[5:58] <gnarface> i play in steam with little trouble through wine (knowing wine well enough) left 4 dead, left 4 dead 2, team fortress 2, half-life 2 (everything in the orange box actually, including portal 1) borderlands 1, fallout 3, Rage
[5:59] <gnarface> though most of those are available in steam linux now, at least in beta form
[6:00] <gnarface> i also play the blizzard trifecta (wow, sc2 and d3) with no problem, most days
[6:03] <gnarface> everything ID ever released except commander keen and rage play natively though
[6:04] <gnarface> as well as unreal tournament 2003 and 2004 i think
[6:04] <gnarface> (or was it 2005 and 2006?)
[6:07] <gnarface> you should consider xen
[6:07] <gnarface> with some tweaking, depending on your hardware, you may be able to run your windows install in a VM with little performance penalty
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[6:08] <gnarface> then you could run linux on the host and you wouldn't be stuck in windows while trying to do work; you'd just be able to launch it in a window for games
[6:08] <gnarface> i admit though dual-booting is probably far easier though
[6:09] <JackShephard> yeah, i'm just super lazy when i get home from work. i turn into a total user
[6:09] <gnarface> i know the feeling
[6:09] <gnarface> just giving you useful advice for later
[6:09] <gnarface> one day something will happen and you'll be angry enough to do something drastic
[6:10] <JackShephard> i did see a friend run a windows VM inside his laptop on archlinux and it was so smooth, i was impressed. my desktop has fairly decent specs, i'm sure it'd be fine. but that'd be a project for sure
[6:11] <JackShephard> i can see less intensive games running on it, but then again i'm cynical when it comes to VMs
[6:11] <gnarface> it depends a lot on your hardware and your configuration
[6:11] <gnarface> xen for example, by default, emulates all its hardware to the guest
[6:11] <gnarface> (its slower, but that's for security again) but you can dial it into the actual host hardware for extra performance
[6:12] <gnarface> i can't tell you how to do it for a nvidia card off the top of my head, to get hardware opengl accel
[6:13] <gnarface> its probably a pain in the ass, but i'm pretty sure its doable, and if you have a recent enough model AMD or Intel multi-core x86_64 chip it should have native hardware acceleration for xen that should mitigate most the performance overhead of the VM container
[6:13] <JackShephard> is there a huge difference between ati and nvidia performance on unix-based OS?
[6:13] <JackShephard> i'm still running a radeon hd 6850
[6:13] <gnarface> it depends on which ati card
[6:13] <gnarface> unfortunately i don't know them all well enough to know which ones are less well supported
[6:14] <gnarface> the nvidia ones are less well supported by the commercial drivers in order of their age, but the nouveau open-source drivers have made great inroads lately
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[6:15] <gnarface> the ati drivers as far as i know are just hit and miss depending on class and version whether the open source or commercial ones are better
[6:15] <ParkerR> JackShephard, On linux/unix: Nvidia has the best proprietary drivers. It's kinda like on Windows. AMD has crappy driver support and Nvidia has great driver support but not always the best cards
[6:16] <gnarface> JackShephard: if you care about your team fortress 2 scores at all, you should know that nvidia+steam have been boasting better framerates in linux for recent-model nvidia cards than windows
[6:17] <gnarface> JackShephard: this performance edge for tf2 is likely to carry over to left4dead2/counterstrike/half-life2
[6:17] <gnarface> and it won't go unnoticed by the rest of the market for long....
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[6:24] <JackShephard> yep sounds exactly like windows, radeon drivers and software is pretty bad.
[6:25] <JackShephard> and i do care about my tf2 scores to some extent, i have a few hundred hours logged. i'm usually wrapped up in other games though
[6:25] <gnarface> also they give you a free penguin :)
[6:25] <gnarface> non tradeable, non-sellable
[6:26] <gnarface> unlike in windows, there are open-source radeon drivers available (as well as some pre-radeon ati card drivers) and in some cases they are better than ati's commercial ones
[6:26] <ParkerR> gnarface, *gave
[6:26] <ParkerR> That was only for a certain amount of time
[6:27] <gnarface> ParkerR: ?
[6:27] <JackShephard> hooray, i'm back on the pi and my data is safe. thanks again gnarface
[6:28] <ParkerR> gnarface, "Team Fortress 2 joins the revelry by automatically awarding a free and tradeable in-game Tux accessory for all Linux mercs jumping into the free-to-play shooter before May 1. Prepare for an avalanche of crates, Ubuntuans."
[6:28] <gnarface> the real probem right now is the dual-video card laptops (optimus?) ... terrible support for that currently in linux, huge PITA
[6:28] <ParkerR> Ended May 1st
[6:28] <gnarface> oh
[6:28] <gnarface> bummer
[6:28] <gnarface> sorry JackShephard
[6:28] <JackShephard> actually, i think i got it when i was motivated enough to dual boot and try linux tf2
[6:29] <gnarface> probably
[6:29] <gnarface> actually
[6:29] <JackShephard> eh don't see it in my inventory, oh well
[6:30] <gnarface> i didn't realize there was a cutoff date
[6:30] <gnarface> i had mine up and running within a couple weeks of them taking it out of beta, i think
[6:30] <gnarface> maybe a couple days
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[9:03] <geek_> Hello
[9:03] <geek_> i have a doubt
[9:04] <geek_> i have mounted a root filesystem on raspberry pi board using nfs
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[9:05] <geek_> now i want to use opkg command to install a package (.ipk) which installs on to the mounted nfs
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[9:12] <linuxstb> What is your doubt?
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[9:26] <geek_> whenever i try to install using opkg, it always get get installed in the raspberry file system and not in the root file system which i have mounted
[9:27] <geek_> i want it to get installed in the mounted filesystem
[9:27] <geek_> so it would be very helgul if you can help me on this
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[9:32] <linuxstb> geek_: I'm not sure what you mean - what's the "raspberry file system", if your root fs is NFS?
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[9:36] <gnarface> also... what is opkg and why wasn't he using apt-get....?
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[9:42] <linuxstb> gnarface: I assumed he wasn't using Raspbian, forgetting what channel I'm in...
[9:43] <gnarface> i assumed he was using the foundation's pre-installed image and getting some janky script they included confused with something mentioned in ubuntu docs ...
[9:44] <linuxstb> Anyway, he left.
[9:45] <gnarface> i suppose it doesn't matter
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[9:45] <gnarface> i wonder if he meant 'dpkg' by opkg and was installing some 3rd party deb that goes into /opt and he was calling that the "raspberry file system"
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[9:48] <gnarface> or maybe he's getting /root confused with the root filesystem
[9:48] <gnarface> who knows
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[18:25] <zer0-day> hi i loose my connection to dropbox to raspbian and i think the kernel fails when i use aptitude upgrade...
[18:25] <zer0-day> how can i recover it
[18:25] <zer0-day> can i mount a live with a usb ?
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[19:07] <zer0-day> how can i recover a raspbian distrib with a live
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[19:10] <ParkerR> zer0-day, Well depends on what is wrong with it
[19:12] <zer0-day> i do an aptitude upgrade
[19:12] <zer0-day> and kernel seem's not booting
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[19:12] <zer0-day> i want to chroot the partition and restore again
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[19:18] <Plizzo> Hello! I have a 64GB USB SSD (ext3) connected to my raspberry pi. When the disk has little or no data, my system boots really fast. But as soon as I start filling the disk (2GB is enough) the entire raspberry pi takes around 5 minutes to boot and becomes really slow and unresponsive. What could this be?
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[19:23] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: Just a theory, but maybe your SSD is defective and having trouble reading sectors after the first few hundred megabytes are full.
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[19:23] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Might be the case, but I'm debugging right now and it seems to work now since I got rid of my fstab mount
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> is it running fsck on boot?
[19:24] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: The disk automounts to /media/usb0/ so I could always symlink that directory to /home/pi/Storage(
[19:24] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: Nope, it's not
[19:24] <Plizzo> I've gone through dmesg and there are no errors, it just takes so long
[19:25] <PhotoJim> I don't see why an automount would make it slower, unless it's detecting it as ext4 or something which seems unlikely.
[19:25] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Actually.. now that you mention it..
[19:25] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: [ 7.630501] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounting ext3 file system using the ext4 subsystem
[19:26] <PhotoJim> It's recognizing it as EXT3 so that seems unlikely. But you could always reformat it as EXT4 and try that, if that's not a great chore.
[19:26] <PhotoJim> I use EXT2 on my flash so I don't have to disable journaling (I don't like journals on flash devices) and I don't have any issues.
[19:26] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: I've run EX4 on it twice, same issue
[19:26] <PhotoJim> So that seems unlikely to be it.
[19:27] <PhotoJim> Could be a weird incompatibility with your enclosure. Have another you could try?
[19:27] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Now when I skipped my fstab mount and instead made a symlink from /media/usb0 => /home/pi/Storage
[19:27] <Plizzo> It seems to work properly
[19:27] <Plizzo> I'll upload another gigabyte or so and reboot and see
[19:27] <PhotoJim> you mounted manually? what was your mount command?
[19:28] <Plizzo> This:
[19:28] <Plizzo> UUID="371c7de9-6ea4-49b2-b622-381013e66f32" /home/pi/Storage auto user,rw,auto,nofail 0 0
[19:29] <Plizzo> Wow, I'll need to paste that..
[19:29] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5720850/
[19:29] <PhotoJim> change "auto" to "ext3" and see if that helps.
[19:29] <PhotoJim> no need for automatic filesystem checking when you know in advance what it is.
[19:30] <Plizzo> True that
[19:30] <PhotoJim> I only use "auto" on flash devices and external hard disks, where I don't mount by UUID.
[19:30] <PhotoJim> UUID means you know the filesystem.
[19:30] <Plizzo> I'm just uploading another gigabyte or so to the disk through SFTP, going to reboot without my manual mount and see what happens (if it's slow or not)
[19:30] <PhotoJim> sure, if that doesn't help try my suggestion. good practice anyway.
[19:30] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Thanks for helping out, I really appreciate it
[19:31] <PhotoJim> np
[19:31] <Plizzo> But since I did my manual mount, I would mount the same partition twice
[19:31] <PhotoJim> mount -t ext3 or -t auto or what?
[19:31] <Plizzo> First the automount (/media/usb0) and then my manual /home/pi/Storage/
[19:31] <PhotoJim> oh, you're mounting it a second time? or umounting the first and then remounting?
[19:32] <Plizzo> No, the system automatically mounts the disk, I didn't configure anything
[19:32] <Plizzo> Mounting a second time since the system mounts in /media/
[19:32] <Plizzo> So then I check df, I had two mount points for the same unit
[19:32] <PhotoJim> and that helps? weird. I'd expect that could cause filesystem confusion.
[19:32] <Plizzo> No, that's the scenario when it doesn't work properly :)
[19:33] <PhotoJim> better practice to sudo umount /mount/path/to/device and then mount -t ext3 /path/to/where/I/really/want/it/
[19:33] <PhotoJim> ahh, that's why then.
[19:33] <PhotoJim> don't do that.
[19:33] <Plizzo> Now I removed my mount and I let the system do it's part instead
[19:33] <PhotoJim> use softlinks if you want to have it appear somewhere else in addition to the /mount place. or, just mount it where you want it.
[19:33] <Plizzo> Well, I can't seem to stop the system automount
[19:34] <Plizzo> ln -s, is that soft or hard link?
[19:34] <Plizzo> Right now I did like this:
[19:34] <PhotoJim> ln -s is soft
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[19:34] <PhotoJim> I prefer soft to hard
[19:34] <Plizzo> sudo ln -s /media/usb0 /home/pi/Storage
[19:34] <PhotoJim> that works, what you're doing
[19:34] <Plizzo> Great, so I did something right! :D
[19:34] <PhotoJim> I'd be more inclined to just mount it in /etc/fstab at /home/pi/Storage
[19:34] <PhotoJim> but I guess that's what you did and it still mounts in /media. interesting.
[19:35] <Plizzo> Yeah, isn't it?
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[19:35] <Plizzo> But I read up, and it said the system automatically mounts all usb media
[19:35] <PhotoJim> if you don't feel like defeating it, yes, just ln -s //media/usb0 /home/pi/Storage
[19:35] <Plizzo> For some unkown reason
[19:35] <PhotoJim> so it's a known "feature"
[19:35] <Plizzo> haha, I'll try
[19:35] <PhotoJim> then your ln strategy is sound
[19:36] <Plizzo> http://shannamann.com/files/feature-bug.jpg
[19:36] <PhotoJim> I don't think I've ever attached a USB disk to either of my Pis so I've never noticed it. SD card and an NFS mount.
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[19:36] <PhotoJim> lol, nice
[19:36] <Plizzo> Yeah, it's just that I'm building an arcade machine and need a lot of space for my roms
[19:36] <Plizzo> But I'm considering buying a 32GB SD-card instead..
[19:38] <Plizzo> It's so annoying, because I'm 95% done with my build, and this started messing up. Been using it for two weeks but once I started filling the disk with roms the errors started
[19:38] <PhotoJim> well, two mounts would cause you confusion.
[19:38] <PhotoJim> one mount should work much better.
[19:38] <Plizzo> I guess so
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[19:38] <Plizzo> What are you using your Pis for, if you don't mind me asking? :)
[19:39] <PhotoJim> not much at the moment :)
[19:39] <PhotoJim> I was using one for an audio ripping project, but I had some reliability issues.
[19:39] <PhotoJim> I like simple computers. I have a couple of Sheevaplugs too.
[19:40] <PhotoJim> I run my IRC session on one. it's approaching a year of uptime.
[19:40] <Plizzo> haha, nice
[19:40] <Plizzo> Hey, listen to this..
[19:41] <Plizzo> I just transferred about 2GB of roms to the drive and performed a reboot.. Now it just hangs at boot at this line: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5720883/. Takes about 5 minutes to boot..
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[19:41] <Plizzo> But.. If I remove all the files I just added to it then everythings works perfectly
[19:42] <Plizzo> The most interesting part is that the Raspberry Pi becomes slow as well..
[19:42] <PhotoJim> did you write the files when it was mounted once or twice?
[19:42] <PhotoJim> if you wrote with a dual mount, you'd really confuse the filesystem.
[19:42] <PhotoJim> it seems to have mounted it as ext4 too.
[19:42] <Plizzo> I wrote with a single mount
[19:42] <Plizzo> It's as soon as the data begins piling up
[19:42] <Plizzo> If I remove my games now it will become fast again
[19:43] <Plizzo> Here is the df entry:
[19:43] <Plizzo> # /dev/sda1 59G 1.9G 54G 4% /media/usb0
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[19:43] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: and that's the only df entry for /dev/sda1?
[19:44] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Yep
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[19:44] <PhotoJim> try a different enclosure, or a different disk, that's all I can suggest.
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[19:44] <Plizzo> So, as soon as the disk has data on it over one GB it causes the entire system to hog
[19:45] <Plizzo> I'll try a USB flash drive
[19:45] <Plizzo> Just to see how that works out
[19:48] <PhotoJim> worth a try.
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[19:49] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: I have a 16GB verbatim memory on my disk, just making a backup and then I'll format it
[19:49] <Plizzo> Would you recommend ext3, ext3 or ext4?
[19:49] <Plizzo> ext2*
[19:50] <PhotoJim> I like ext2 on flash but I'm old-fashioned. better practice is ext3 or ext4 with journals disabled but then you'd need to learn the mkfs.ext4 options to disable journaslals :)
[19:50] <PhotoJim> ext2 is well tested and reliable.
[19:51] <Plizzo> Any speed differences?
[19:52] <PhotoJim> doubt it. certainly not on USB2.
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[19:53] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Alright
[19:54] <PhotoJim> easy enough to test, especially if you have a hard disk so you're not causing much wear. format ext2 and test write/read speed. reformat ext3, ext4 and test again.
[19:54] <PhotoJim> ext2 is a very simple filesystem. its only real problem is that it gets angry if powered down without proper unmouin unmounting.
[19:54] <PhotoJim> err, forgive weird typo. drop "unmouin".
[19:55] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Define "angry" ;)
[19:55] <Plizzo> My system will typically perform a normal shutdown procedure, but of course unexpected shutdowns could occur
[19:56] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: it will do a complete filesystem check before your system finishes rebooting. it's not too awful.
[19:56] <PhotoJim> easy way around it is to type "sync" after you write to it. that writes everything and then it's fine.
[19:56] <PhotoJim> if you're just reading from it, there won't be any filesystem issues. only if it was writing at sudden poweroff.
[19:57] <PhotoJim> it's good practice to do that with journaled filesystems too.
[19:57] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Typically I'm just reading the files. I store a couple of roms on the disk, but all the save files are saved on my SD-card
[19:57] <Plizzo> The USB drive is really only for storage (reading)
[19:58] <Plizzo> Only time I write to it is over samba and SFTP
[19:58] <PhotoJim> ext2 will not matter at all then.
[19:58] <PhotoJim> write to it, "sync" when done. (It will eventually autosync, just takes a few seconds to a couple of minutes.)
[19:58] <Plizzo> And if it doesn't sync, those files are lost?
[19:59] <PhotoJim> yes, you'd have to rewrite them.
[20:00] <Plizzo> And what are the disadvantages of journaling on ext3,4
[20:00] <vagrantc> more writes
[20:00] <PhotoJim> less likelihood of actually causing damage in such a situation, in exchange for more write cycles on the disk
[20:01] <PhotoJim> flash has limited write cycles so I go with minimizing writes
[20:01] <PhotoJim> you can use ext4 without journal too, and many do
[20:01] <vagrantc> in any case, be sure to use noatime ...
[20:01] <PhotoJim> yes
[20:01] <Plizzo> even on ext2?
[20:01] <vagrantc> though the limited write cycles thing on recent hardware is arguably a non-issue
[20:01] <PhotoJim> on any flash filesystem
[20:01] <Plizzo> Is that on by default?
[20:02] <PhotoJim> no, noatime is not on by default
[20:02] <PhotoJim> you can put it in your /etc/fstab options with that chain of other commands you have at the end
[20:02] <PhotoJim> noatime means it doesn't write the last read time of the file
[20:02] <PhotoJim> few programs need it
[20:02] <Plizzo> Well, I don't mount with my drive with fstab :/
[20:02] <Plizzo> since it automounts
[20:02] <PhotoJim> right. in which case you may not have the option.
[20:03] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Yeah :/
[20:04] <PhotoJim> you can remount manually. that would let you do it, if you really want.
[20:04] <PhotoJim> a small cheap flash drive, not the end of the world. an expensive SSD, I'm more inclined to do it.
[20:04] <vagrantc> or you should configure the automounter to use the mount options... ?
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[20:05] <harris> hi
[20:05] <Plizzo> vagrantc: The system auto mounts, I didn't do anything.. But maybe it stopped now since I'm using a flash drive
[20:05] <Plizzo> I'll see
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[20:07] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: The flash drive did not auto mount as the SSD did
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[20:07] <PhotoJim> interesting.
[20:07] <PhotoJim> you can mount it manually.
[20:08] <Plizzo> Will do once it's formatted the partition correctly
[20:08] <Plizzo> In case you want to see what I'm building: http://d.pr/i/30Wu
[20:09] <PhotoJim> oh, that's quite interesting.
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[20:10] <Plizzo> Haven't gotten the final front panels in place yet, but it's coming along nicely :)
[20:10] <PhotoJim> it is indeed.
[20:11] <Plizzo> Just a question... I used mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda1 but when I run sudo fdisk -l it shows system as "HPFS/NTFS/exFAT"
[20:11] <Plizzo> That sounds wrong to me...
[20:12] <harris> hello
[20:12] <Plizzo> Well well, df -T shows that it's ext2
[20:13] <Plizzo> But now that's it's a linux partition it automounts
[20:13] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: probably because that's what it read before you formatted it.
[20:13] <Plizzo> Yeah, it is
[20:13] <Plizzo> Does that make a difference?
[20:13] <PhotoJim> No, that'll disappear next boot/insertion.
[20:13] <Plizzo> Ah, ok
[20:13] <Plizzo> But it automounts.. and it mounts as root which is not desired
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[20:14] <PhotoJim> mounting as root is fine. just change the permissions on the device to let whomever you want read it or write to it.
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[20:16] <Plizzo> created a symlink and chowned it to pi:pi
[20:16] <Plizzo> pi : pi
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[20:18] <Plizzo> Alright, chmodded and now I can write properly
[20:18] <zer0-day> how can i reinstall a raspberry pi
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[20:18] <zer0-day> with raspbian
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[20:18] <harris> hey zer0-day
[20:19] <zer0-day> hi
[20:20] <zer0-day> :P
[20:20] <zer0-day> i want to chroot it
[20:20] <zer0-day> becouse i have to recover the instalation already have, but i have a kernel panic xD
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[20:25] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: I've got the partition and everything running but it seems slow so far.. Will try to transfer the same amount of data and see what happens
[20:27] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: let's hope we learn something.
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[20:34] <ParkerR> harris, There is no need to scream
[20:34] <harris> sorry didnt mean to use caps
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[20:37] <harris> ParkerR,
[20:38] <Gashead76> harris: not really possible. Dropbox isn't open source and they haven't compiled an ARM version.
[20:38] <harris> ok
[20:38] <harris> ty
[20:38] <harris> do you know how to set up lxde as deafult
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[20:39] <Gashead76> harris: you could check out OwnCloud. looks pretty cool. not sure about lxde as default. I don't use any DE's.
[20:39] <harris> ok
[20:39] <harris> when i ssh into pi
[20:39] <harris> do you know if i can see gui
[20:40] <ParkerR> Not on defaults no. You need to setup a few things
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[20:40] <harris> ok what
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[20:41] <harris> im ssh using terminal in ubuntu
[20:41] <ParkerR> harris, sudo apt-get install tightvncserver
[20:41] <ParkerR> vncpasswd
[20:41] <ParkerR> It'll ask you to set a password
[20:41] <harris> what
[20:42] <ParkerR> Then tightvncserver -geometry 800x600
[20:42] <ParkerR> Then you can connect with any VNC viewer
[20:43] <ParkerR> piip:5901
[20:43] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: You still on?
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[20:48] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: yeah, work occasionally distracts.
[20:50] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Hey, tried to reboot. Takes forever
[20:50] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: could be the automounting takes awhile to figure out it's ext2. but just a theory.
[20:50] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: is it fast once it's booted?
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[20:51] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: Nope, even the raspberry pi gets slow..
[20:52] <Plizzo> PhotoJim: I have no idea how to disable the auto mount, if I could I would :(
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[20:53] <PhotoJim> Yeah, I'm not sure either.
[20:53] <Plizzo> I'm running Raspian, but I don't start x on boot
[20:53] <Plizzo> I guess I could try launching xfce and disable it there?
[20:53] <Plizzo> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/disable-automount-under-xfce-867299/
[20:54] <PhotoJim> Plizzo: type "groups"... is your user in plugdev?
[20:54] <PhotoJim> if so you can remove him from that group and it appears that USB devices won't be automounted when logged in as that user.
[20:55] <Plizzo> Yeah, I'm in plugdev
[20:55] <Plizzo> How do I remove that one?
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[20:56] <PhotoJim> there's a command to do it, but I usually just change to root and edit /etc/groups
[20:57] <PhotoJim> then log out completely and log in again
[20:57] <Plizzo> If I understand this correctly, I should be able to type usermod -G plugdev
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[20:58] <gnarface> you should use adduser/addgroup (the debian-aware ones) instead of the old useradd/usermod tools
[20:59] <Plizzo> gnarface: So if I wish that my user (pi) leaves the group plugdev, what do I type=
[20:59] <Plizzo> ?
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[21:03] <gnarface> Plizzo: nevermind, usermod is fine
[21:04] <Plizzo> But I'm not sure how to use it, the commands werent that explanatory
[21:05] <gnarface> the manual can be accessed by typing the command "man usermod" (press up/down to scroll, q to quit)
[21:06] <Plizzo> I know, but I didn't really understand the -G command
[21:06] <ParkerR> Plizzo, sudo gpasswd -d user plugdev
[21:06] <ParkerR> usermod doesnt really delete
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[21:06] <Plizzo> ParkerR: What will that command do?
[21:06] <ParkerR> Remove the user from the group plugdev
[21:07] <Plizzo> Oh, awesome
[21:07] <Plizzo> And than I need to reboot I guess?
[21:07] <ParkerR> Logout
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[21:09] <PhotoJim> yeah, just log out and then log in again
[21:09] <Plizzo> Damn it, I removed myself from plugdev but the damn usb drive is still auto mounting
[21:09] <Plizzo> My user is no longer part of the group, but I guess root is
[21:09] <Plizzo> Would it be safe to remove root from plugdev? :/
[21:10] <gnarface> Plizzo: you mean it auto-mounts every time you plug it in? or just on boot up? is it mentioned in /etc/fstab?
[21:10] <Plizzo> gnarface: It's not mentioned in fstab, but yet it auto mounts on reboot as root
[21:10] <Plizzo> gnarface: All my USB drives do this..
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[21:11] <gnarface> that suggests you're running something that auto-mounts it...
[21:11] <gnarface> like gnome
[21:11] <Plizzo> I have no UI, I'm not even running X
[21:11] <gnarface> well what ARE you running?
[21:11] <gnarface> you can find out like this: ps aux --forest
[21:11] <ParkerR> Or htop
[21:12] <gnarface> ParkerR: ps will list everything
[21:12] <ParkerR> htop will too :P
[21:12] <Plizzo> All I run is emulationstation, but that starts after boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5721132/
[21:13] <sexycatsinhats> anyone here running a retropie setup with a ps3 controller?
[21:14] <ParkerR> Ahh policy kit might be mounting
[21:14] <gnarface> Plizzo: well, thd and ifplugd aren't familiar to me, and its totally possible your emulator thing is doing it actually, but my money is on avahi
[21:15] <ParkerR> avahi doesnt out mount
[21:15] <ParkerR> avahi is just network discovery
[21:15] <gnarface> its just networking i thought
[21:15] <ParkerR> policy-kit is most likely mounting
[21:15] <ParkerR> It handles stuff like that
[21:15] <gnarface> it doesn't mount by default...
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[21:16] <ParkerR> But a policykit rule can be created to (iirc)
[21:16] <Plizzo> I'm running Raspbian with the RetroArch applications on top, and Emulation station
[21:16] <ParkerR> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PolicyKit#Workaround_to_mount_filesytems_by_user_in_group_storage_without_password
[21:16] <gnarface> i was under the impression that polkit doesn't do anything your window manager doesn't tell dbus to tell it to do
[21:16] <ParkerR> Are you part of the storage group?
[21:17] <Plizzo> Funny thing is that now the reboot works good. But I'll add some more data to my disk and I'll see
[21:17] <Plizzo> "pi adm dialout cdrom sudo audio video games users netdev input indiecity"
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[21:18] <Plizzo> Hey, I noticed something weird..
[21:19] <Plizzo> All my files and folders from /home/pi/Storage/roms/ are being cloned into /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/
[21:19] <Plizzo> For unknown reasons...
[21:19] <Plizzo> There are no symlinks...
[21:19] <ParkerR> So emulationstation is most likely doing it
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[21:20] <Plizzo> Hmm, maybe.. But emulationstation is pointed towards /home/pi/Storage/roms so I can't even imagine why it would duplicate all my files...
[21:20] <gnarface> that's pretty odd ... are they hard links?
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[21:20] <gnarface> maybe it assumes you're loading them from removable media? what happens if you delete one?
[21:20] <Plizzo> I performed a reboot now but it takes time, it's probably copying all the files again since I removed them
[21:21] <gnarface> er, not delete... move
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[21:21] <gnarface> hmm
[21:21] <Plizzo> I deleted the /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/ just to see
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[21:21] <Plizzo> It will probably be created again
[21:21] <Plizzo> And I have no symlinks
[21:21] <Plizzo> only from /media/usb0 to /home/pi/Storage because of the root automount of usb
[21:22] <Plizzo> 2 more minutes and I can SSH and check this thing out...
[21:22] <Plizzo> It's so damn weird
[21:22] <Plizzo> I first noticed because my SD card was getting filed because all the files were replicating
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[21:23] <Plizzo> Hey, what does this green marking mean?
[21:23] <Plizzo> http://d.pr/i/Kd7A
[21:24] <Plizzo> As I said, the files were replicated from my usb disk to that directory for unknown reasons, and now the folder (and subfolders) are marked that way through SSH
[21:24] <Plizzo> Hard link?
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[21:25] <gnarface> Plizzo: why does that link's javascript attack my browser?
[21:26] <ParkerR> gnarface, What...
[21:26] <Plizzo> gnarface: Attack? It's a screen capture of my terminal through Droplr?
[21:26] <gnarface> locks up my browser...
[21:26] <Plizzo> That's peculiar :/
[21:26] <gnarface> appears to be using a really large amount of resources trying to do... something to all tabs
[21:27] <Plizzo> I'm looking at it right now and there is barely any JS on the site, but I can change to another host if you'd like. Seems odd, never heard that one before about Droplr
[21:27] <ParkerR> gnarface, http://i.imgur.com/IqkIVxW.png
[21:27] <Plizzo> Thanks ParkerR :)
[21:28] <Plizzo> When I run ls -al all files are marked with a green box around their filenames (inside /home/pi/RetroPie/roms)
[21:28] <Plizzo> That green must mean something..
[21:29] <gnarface> Plizzo: add -F
[21:29] <Plizzo> Weird, their timestamps are 1 Jan 1970 :D
[21:29] <Plizzo> :/
[21:30] <Plizzo> I only have Droplr, no other service to upload to :/
[21:30] <Plizzo> http://d.pr/i/Fo6n
[21:30] <Plizzo> http://d1zjcuqflbd5k.cloudfront.net/files/acc_5769/Fo6n?response-content-disposition=inline;%20filename=Screenshot%20on%202013-05-31%20at%2023.29.58.png;%20filename*=UTF-8%27%27Screenshot%20on%202013-05-31%20at%2023.29.58.png&Expires=1370035882&Signature=P8FgRjzt6NAr~SCLdvxMwUlasiDtnSeBhUpugHov2amVqCfWqLEQ5klf0d07OLw8dhSTPLi05gB15TNjkictGuRkwJCmDPbSeMSLCL4txuAXuf-chjjffaRuZL88wgGobBrqCAJuvQBNXMBtHSXkvEbyVaVk9fFqKqiSeInUhjY_&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJTEIOJM3LSMN33SA
[21:31] <ParkerR> Plizzo, Doesnt work
[21:31] <ParkerR> Use a sane uploader :P
[21:31] <Plizzo> Hmm... damnit :P
[21:31] <Plizzo> Where should I upload images? :P
[21:31] <Plizzo> Droplr is good, but not if it freezes gnarface's browser
[21:31] <ParkerR> minus, dropbox, imgur
[21:31] <Plizzo> gnarface: adding -F to ls -al doesn't do much
[21:31] <gnarface> i mean ls -alF
[21:32] <gnarface> and in the directory up
[21:32] <gnarface> in RetroPie
[21:32] <Plizzo> gnarface: Did Droplr work now?
[21:32] <gnarface> but you don't have to send a screenshot if it just adds a /
[21:32] <Plizzo> It just added a /
[21:33] <gnarface> the cloudfront link worked for me
[21:33] <Plizzo> Do you know what the green color means?
[21:33] <gnarface> no
[21:34] <gnarface> try lsattr ?
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[21:35] <Plizzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5721195/
[21:36] <Plizzo> The roms folder appears normal, except for the green selection..
[21:38] <gnarface> i've never seen that before on a directory without the sticky bit set
[21:38] <Plizzo> gnarface: If I could just understand why the directory copies I'd be okay :D
[21:38] <gnarface> maybe it is a hard link...
[21:39] <Plizzo> How do I remove it?
[21:39] <gnarface> are you sure that's wise?
[21:39] <gnarface> maybe it needs them...
[21:39] <gnarface> i'd think it would mention this in the docs somewhere
[21:39] <Plizzo> Well, I already deleted the entire green roms and subcontent once.. it came back instanly after a SLOOW reboot
[21:40] <gnarface> i'd check emulationstation docs
[21:40] <Plizzo> And you know, I want to have system + apps on the SD-card but roms on my storage drive
[21:40] <Plizzo> I'll check, hold on
[21:40] <Plizzo> The docs are brief
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[21:41] <Plizzo> But just for the record, it seems the copy happens when the disk mounts
[21:41] <gnarface> that's a clue
[21:41] <gnarface> i'm sure of it
[21:41] <gnarface> but i got nothing, man
[21:41] <ParkerR> Plizzo, unmount, delete stuff in roms folder
[21:41] <ParkerR> Mount
[21:41] <ParkerR> Watch ps
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[21:41] <gnarface> iotop might be useful too
[21:41] <gnarface> iotop -a
[21:41] <gnarface> maybe
[21:42] <Plizzo> Should I tail any logfiles?
[21:42] <gnarface> hmm. maybe
[21:42] <Plizzo> Parker, what do you mean watch ps?
[21:43] <gnarface> sorry, gotta go, back later
[21:43] <ParkerR> The ps command gnarface pasted
[21:43] <ParkerR> Or htop
[21:44] <Plizzo> So, I should't just type watch ps?
[21:44] <Plizzo> I cant see the command anymore, the irc session doesn't show it anymore
[21:44] <PhotoJim> "top" or "htop" (if you have htop installed; it's prettier) you'll see what's sucking CPU time
[21:44] <Plizzo> gnarface: Thanks!
[21:44] <Plizzo> I have top
[21:45] <Plizzo> Should I look for cp or similar?
[21:45] <ParkerR> Do htop and enable the tree. You can see what process spawns cp
[21:45] <ParkerR> If its doing that
[21:45] <PhotoJim> if you want to look for cp: ps aux | grep cp will find it faster
[21:45] <PhotoJim> but yes, that's useful too
[21:45] <ParkerR> Or that
[21:46] <PhotoJim> ParkerR: how do you enable the tree on htop?
[21:46] <PhotoJim> that's new to me.
[21:46] <ParkerR> F5
[21:46] <PhotoJim> ParkerR: Thanks. I'll give that a try.
[21:46] <Plizzo> I remounted
[21:46] <ParkerR> Or enable it in F2 settings
[21:46] <Plizzo> but no files were copied
[21:47] <Plizzo> ParkerR: But listen to this.. all files in /home/pi/Storage are green now..
[21:47] <Plizzo> Symlinks from /media/usb
[21:47] <PhotoJim> ParkerR: I think htop does a lot more than I use it for, most likely :)
[21:48] <ParkerR> PhotoJim, Yeah its pretty nice
[21:49] <PhotoJim> ParkerR: I have it on all my Linux boxen. I like the appearance of it better than top.
[21:49] <ParkerR> PhotoJim, http://i1.minus.com/ibfOWEXZLOGkcO.png
[21:50] <PhotoJim> Heh, I never even noticed the F key definitions on the bottom before.
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[21:50] <ParkerR> PhotoJim, You can also click them :)
[21:51] <PhotoJim> oh, I had no idea. Nice.
[21:51] <PhotoJim> This has been a productive digression :)
[21:51] <ParkerR> Hehe
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[21:57] <Plizzo> damn it..
[21:57] <Plizzo> ParkerR: Every time I reboot.. the damn rom folder is clones
[21:57] <Plizzo> cloned...
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[21:58] <Plizzo> ParkerR: How can this be....?
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[21:59] <ParkerR> My vote is retropie-setp did something to auto copy
[21:59] <ParkerR> Rename the folder?
[22:00] <Plizzo> ParkerR: I think I may have found it...
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[22:00] <Plizzo> Inside the retropie setup, there is this option: "Install USB-Rom-copy service"
[22:01] <ParkerR> Hahahaha
[22:01] <Plizzo> It installs a binary called usbmount
[22:01] <ParkerR> Smooth
[22:01] <Plizzo> I'll try uninstalling that....
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[22:02] <Plizzo> Damnit, why was that installed without anyone telling me :P
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[22:02] <Plizzo> Also had pmount and some other crap installed
[22:03] <Plizzo> Damn distro..
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[22:03] <ParkerR> D:
[22:05] <Plizzo> Rebooting.. now it shouldn't auto mount
[22:05] <Plizzo> And it didn't :D
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[22:13] <harris> hello
[22:13] <Plizzo> FIXED! :D
[22:14] <harris> Plizzo, can you help me
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[22:18] <harris> satellit_e,
[22:19] <harris> idallasj, can you help me
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[22:19] <harris> nils_2, can you help me
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[22:19] <ParkerR> harris: Just ask
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[22:20] <harris> i want to ssh right away instead of using unity
[22:20] <harris> in ubuntu
[22:20] <harris> so i can run lxsession
[22:20] <harris> and i wont see unity
[22:21] <ParkerR> You dont need to "ssh right away". You can just select lxde from the lightdm screen
[22:21] <harris> what
[22:21] <harris> on my laptop
[22:21] <harris> when i type in terminal
[22:21] <harris> ssh harris@ipaddress
[22:21] <harris> then type password
[22:21] <harris> and lxsession
[22:22] <harris> i can see the bottom bar of lxde but still all the ubuntu stuff
[22:22] <ParkerR> Why are you ssh'ing into the same machine?
[22:23] <harris> im not
[22:23] <harris> i want to ssh the pi from laptop
[22:23] <harris> so i can use the pi from laptop
[22:24] <harris> when i cant go in office where pi is
[22:24] <ParkerR> I SENT YOU a link on how to use VNC
[22:24] <harris> no
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[22:24] <ParkerR> No I didnt? Or no you just dont want to?
[22:25] <harris> can i have link again please
[22:25] <ParkerR> http://pastebin.com/B5TFkFD2
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[22:27] <harris> ReggieUK, how are u
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[22:29] <Plizzo> ParkerR: PhotoJim: gnarface: Thanks for helping me out, it's all resolved now!
[22:30] <harris> ParkerR, quick question
[22:31] <harris> i just run vncpasswd right
[22:32] <ParkerR> Yes?
[22:33] <Plizzo> I'll be leaving now, but thanks again
[22:33] <Plizzo> Have a good day /night depending on your timezone! :D
[22:33] <harris> what do i do here vncviewer piipadress:5901
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[22:33] <ParkerR> harris: ON your computer type vncviewer thepi-ipaddress:5901
[22:34] <harris> so i paste this exactly vncviewer piipadress:5901
[22:34] <harris> ok
[22:34] <ParkerR> No
[22:34] <ParkerR> Put in your Pi's IP address
[22:34] <harris> is the pi address the ip
[22:34] <harris> oh ok
[22:35] <harris> thats not what i want
[22:35] <ParkerR> What isn't?
[22:35] <harris> when i click on something there it opens on the pi
[22:36] <ParkerR> Yes that is controlling th Pi
[22:36] <ParkerR> *the
[22:36] <harris> i dont want it to control
[22:36] <harris> i want laptop to act as pi when i want it to
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[22:37] <ParkerR> The laptop can't "act" as the Pi. You can connect to it and control it
[22:37] <harris> when i click on say a folder on my desktop of pi
[22:37] <harris> from laptop
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[22:38] <harris> i want laptop to show whats on pi
[22:38] <harris> and let me control it to
[22:38] <ParkerR> Then VNC does just that
[22:39] <harris> no
[22:39] <harris> it doesnt show the window open
[22:39] <harris> it just shows the desktop
[22:39] <ParkerR> You can open things from there
[22:40] <harris> hold on
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[22:40] <harris> say i was in my room ok
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[22:40] <harris> i have my laptop with me but not the pi
[22:40] <harris> i want to be able to use the pi from laptop
[22:40] <harris> this vnc thing doesnt show the opened windows on the pi
[22:41] <ParkerR> Are there windows open current on the Pi connected to a screen?
[22:41] <ParkerR> *currently
[22:41] <harris> yes
[22:41] <ParkerR> Aha
[22:41] <ParkerR> Thank you
[22:41] <harris> wait on the pi
[22:41] <harris> there are windows open
[22:41] <harris> on the vnc garbage there is not
[22:41] <ParkerR> Ok then on the Pi
[22:41] <ParkerR> sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[22:42] <ParkerR> then DISPLAY=:0 x11vnc
[22:42] <ParkerR> Then connect on either port 5900 or 5901
[22:45] <harris> how do i connect to port
[22:47] <harris> ParkerR,
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[22:49] <ParkerR> harris: vncviewer pi-ip:5900
[22:49] <ParkerR> Or 5901
[22:49] <ParkerR> Whatever x11vnc said
[22:49] <ParkerR> Most likely 5900
[22:49] <harris> so i type that on the pi
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[22:49] <harris> ok
[22:49] <ParkerR> No on youyr omcputer
[22:49] <ParkerR> *your computer
[22:50] <harris> ok will this work if pi is off
[22:50] <ParkerR> If Pi is off? No
[22:51] <harris> is it safe to leave on 24 7
[22:51] <ParkerR> Yes
[22:51] <harris> can i make it full screen
[22:51] <harris> it wont go bigger
[22:51] <ParkerR> Is it working?
[22:52] <harris> yeah
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[22:53] <ParkerR> harris: Try vncviewer Fullscreen=1 pi-ip:5900
[22:54] <ParkerR> vncviewer -Fullscreen=1 pi-ip:5900
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[22:56] <harris> main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111)
[22:57] <ParkerR> Use whatever port you used that worked
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[23:00] <harris> ParkerR, how do i close it once it is in full screen
[23:02] <harris> ParkerR,
[23:04] <harris> .....
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[23:07] <harris> hi DaQatz
[23:08] <ParkerR> harris: Logout
[23:10] <harris> i HAVE to logout
[23:10] <ParkerR> Or
[23:10] <ParkerR> I'm not sure
[23:11] <harris> or what
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[23:13] <Pierreb_> been testing my raspberry with berryboot and a harddrive connected to usb, going to run it as a webserver with a sqldb. Is it worth it to not use the debian standard package and try to find some other without a GUI?
[23:14] <ParkerR> harris: ONly way I can figure is ctrl alt f2, login, then killall vncviewer
[23:14] <ParkerR> Kinda clunky
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[23:14] <ParkerR> Pierreb_: Debian standard package of what?
[23:15] <Pierreb_> ParkerR: Raspbian “wheezy”
[23:15] <ParkerR> The normal should be fine
[23:15] <Pierreb_> i have the diskspace so i dont really care if its large or not
[23:15] <ParkerR> You can choose to not run X at boot
[23:15] <harris> x?
[23:15] <Pierreb_> how?
[23:15] <harris> whats that
[23:15] <ParkerR> raspi-config will run at first boot giving you a bunch of options
[23:16] <ParkerR> harris: X is the GUI in linux
[23:16] <harris> ok
[23:16] <ParkerR> It's the windows you see and such
[23:16] <Pierreb_> yeah but i couldnt find something like that was only, time,ssh,timezone,keyboard and so on
[23:16] <harris> can you help me with an ubuntu issue
[23:16] <ParkerR> Pierreb_: I think under advcnaed
[23:16] <ParkerR> *advcanced
[23:16] <ParkerR> *advanced
[23:17] <Pierreb_> ParkerR: ill try to reinstall and see what i get for options
[23:17] <Pierreb_> had so many problems with the keyboard it kept pressing stuff without me using it so was kinda fast with the options
[23:18] <ParkerR> Pierreb_: The option is named "3: ENable boot to desktop"
[23:18] <ParkerR> Hit that and then "No"
[23:19] <Pierreb_> ah that one
[23:19] <Pierreb_> ok ill check that out
[23:19] <Pierreb_> going to take ~20 mins to download it again
[23:19] <Pierreb_> thx for the help ParkerR
[23:20] <ParkerR> No problem
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