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[0:00] <plugwash> Eduard_Munteanu, looks like the raspberry pi foundation have a prebuilt 3.9 kernel in the "next" branch of their "firmware" repository
[0:00] <plugwash> basiclas-, what image did you use?
[0:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> plugwash: oh, nice. Thanks, I'll try that.
[0:02] <basiclas-> plugwash: 2012-08-08-wheezy-armel
[0:03] <gnarface> basiclas-: the only time that happened to me it turned out to be something i'd done wrong while creating the partition table in the image, but later i was unable to recreate the issue repeating the steps i thought i'd taken
[0:04] <plugwash> lemme guess you have a 512M Pi with hynix ram?
[0:05] <basiclas-> interesting. i reformatted drive a dozen times, sometimes didnt even make a partition table, different formats, dd seemed to always format the SD correctly on my desktop. I think SD might be broken, the contacts lift up if brush my finger over the edge
[0:05] <basiclas-> plugwash: i bought the latest model B three days ago
[0:06] <gnarface> basiclas-: i ended up blaming it on the card reader tricking me into accidentally nesting partition tables instead of overwriting
[0:06] <plugwash> The foundation haven't updated the armel image in ages with ther result that if you want to use it on a 512M Pi with the new hynix ram chip you have to replace the files on the boot partition with the ones from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[0:07] <basiclas-> lulz ! i think i did something similar, putting the install in a subfolder :P
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[0:07] <basiclas-> plugwash: so it might be an external issue :O ok. i have had other distros running on this card, arch etc.
[0:08] <basiclas-> thanks for all your advice everyone, ill check out those boot files in the morning
[0:13] <Eduard_Munteanu> plugwash: hm, apparently the 3.2.x branch has that sync_after_dma param there too, I'll try it.
[0:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hm, doesn't seem to fix it in 3.2.
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[7:03] <gnarface> hey i don't suppose anyone here could speak to the current status of wayland on raspbian ?
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[8:41] <gnarface> o
[8:41] <gnarface> i'm curious about whether its possible to use wayland/weston to run enlightenment
[8:42] <gnarface> and what that would entail
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[8:56] <dexta> gm great unwashed
[9:03] <gnarface> ?
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[9:04] <FR^2> How about compiz+emerald? ;)
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[9:13] <gnarface> FR^2: 1) emerald sucks. enlightenment is actually good. 2) i'm assuming hardware acceleration will actually work with wayland/weston on the pi (which will probably actually never be the case for xorg, from what i've heard... compiz requires X, right?)
[9:13] <FR^2> to be honest, that wasn't really an earnest advice.
[9:14] <FR^2> I'm not that deep into the internals of compiz. From my point of view, compiz could be so much more but some years ago slowed its development.
[9:14] <gnarface> it could use a good window manager
[9:14] <gnarface> that's all that is really holding back its adoption
[9:15] <gnarface> that and the persistent frequent random IO locks on nvidia cards
[9:15] <gnarface> but enlightenment actually runs well on the pi
[9:15] <gnarface> if you disable compositing
[9:15] <gnarface> admirably well
[9:15] <FR^2> good to know
[9:17] <FR^2> And I find the idea to use wayland on such a platform (in contrast to the old and dusty and bloated xorg) quite intriguing
[9:17] <gnarface> presumably, it would run *better* with compositing on, if there were hardware accleration in the xorg drivers
[9:18] <gnarface> but rumor has it that will never happen
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[9:19] <gnarface> FR^2: since i asked that though, i found this: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/raspberrypi.html
[9:21] <gnarface> FR^2: i'm not exactly clear on how to run enlightenment with it or even if that will work
[9:21] <gnarface> i think that's the idea but its all kinda weird and vague to me now
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[9:31] <FR^2> I've not tried it, yet.
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[9:44] <praest76> Anyone else here running a Subsonic server on raspbian?
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[9:59] <gnarface> whym, praest76 ?
[9:59] <gnarface> praest76: i'm not, but, why?
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[11:22] <praest76> gnarface: I'm finding it to be quite unstable. I suspect, as it uses java, that it's the lack of memory. Just wondering if anyone had any experience of using it.
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[11:53] <gnarface> praest76: oh. yea not me, but it sounds plausible. overclocking is another common issue
[11:54] <gnarface> praest76: do you use sun java or open java for that?
[12:01] <basiclas-> hello chapsicles
[12:02] <basiclas-> is there a decent tutorial on backing up raspberry pi SD images onto debian/ubuntu machine? I am looking to switch between different raspbian variants :)
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[12:21] <gnarface> basiclas-: the most thorough backup would be to use dd to copy the whole card to your harddrive
[12:22] <gnarface> basiclas-: its not the type of thing that needs a tutorial. dd if=[/dev node] of=[backup.img file] bs=4M
[12:22] <gnarface> basiclas-: (if 4M fails try 1M instead)
[12:23] <gnarface> basiclas-: the important part is to be careful where you point it. it wil overwrite whatever you pass to of= so don't point it at an existing file or the /dev node of anything you want to keep
[12:24] <gnarface> basiclas-: but with only one SD card there is no good way to test your backup without risking losing everything
[12:25] <gnarface> basiclas-: :-/ if you really want to try 'multiple flavors' of raspbian you might want to consider multiple sd cards...
[12:25] <gnarface> it would make it much easier
[12:25] <gnarface> using dd to backup and restore sd cards will quickly become tedious
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> or have one SD card per install and NFS mount /home
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[12:32] <dwatkins> I discovered this morning that my class 6 SD card writes at 11 MB/s
[12:33] <maswan> why dd and not cp, btw?
[12:36] <dwatkins> the image contains the partition layout information and two partitions, copying the file will result in an SD card with the .img file on it, which the Pi can't use
[12:36] <dwatkins> i.e. dd is a byte-for-byte copy, whereas cp copies the file to an existing filesystem instad of overwriting it entirely
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[13:32] <basiclas-> ok thanks for the solid explanation :)
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[13:50] <gordonDrogon> dd will not do a byte for byte copy off a live filesystem though.
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[14:18] <basiclas-> gordonDrogon: so umount it first then?
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[14:30] <FR^2> damnit, I didn't set a port forward for ssh on my raspi, and my main pc is shut down
[14:30] <FR^2> Erm. No, it's not. Strange.
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[14:35] <praest76> gnarface: I've tried both. Currently using Sun Java 1.8 which has been advised but the server still seems to die within 24 hours. Whether I overclock or not makes no difference to it.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> basiclas-, yes - but that's not possible on a live Pi :)
[14:35] <praest76> I think I'll need to invest in a newer 512M Pi.
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> 2,000,000 Pi's sold... 5000 owners :)
[14:43] <gnarface> hmm. i would assume you could dd a copy of a mounted image just fine, except it would be corrupt as there would likely have been changes during the read
[14:43] <gnarface> but sometimes it is possible to do such things to live filesystems by temporarily remounting them read-only
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[14:47] <gordonDrogon> you can sort of "get away" with it - sync before the dd and hope for the best, but the target filesystem will be dirty & need an fsck.
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> it all depends on what's in the buffer cache at the time of the top.
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> copy.
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> there's a sysctl to flush all the buffer caches etc which might be useful to run too.
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> or just do what I do - treat them as sacrificial and store the data elsewhere and be prepared to re-flash them from a good image if needed...
[14:51] <gnarface> right now i'm trying to figure out how quickly journaling is going to kill my sd card
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest it's unlikely.
[14:51] <gnarface> from what i've read there are varying amounts of built-in wear leveling based on the quality of the engineering
[14:51] <FR^2> ooookay, raspbian appears again in the fritzbox web ui
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> but it all depends on what you're doing. My original SD cards are still going strong over a year on.
[14:51] <gnarface> so some cards fail spectacularly fast
[14:52] <gnarface> while others level wear almost perfectly
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> I've yet to see an SD card fail.
[14:52] <gnarface> interesting
[14:52] <FR^2> oops. Seems I had a power outage at home about ten minutes ago :(
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> they can only wear-level sectors once.
[14:52] <gnarface> well i haven't yet either, but i admit i haven't done a lot of swapping
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> after that the SD controllers will never know which sectors you've deleted.
[14:52] <gnarface> or used one as a mail spool yet
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> so the act of using DD to write the SD image more or less writes every sector in the first 2GB.
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> or stick one in a camera and fill it with pictures as I did the other night and that's it - no more wear levelling.
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> if it had any in the first place.
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[15:01] <FR^2> how about f2fs? ^^
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> probably a better idea as then the filesystem knows which blocks have been written and how many times, so the filesystem can do the wear balancing for you. (if it does that sort of thing)
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[15:12] <gordonDrogon> f2fs isn't in the standard list of filesystems for raspbian by the looks of it though.
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[15:14] <prime_> morning all
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[15:15] <prime_> i'm looking to set up about 10 pis in my classroom. Is there a 'nix based tool to clone raspian installations? I have one that's just right & want to replicate it... thanks!
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[15:19] <prime_> test
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[15:23] <FR^2> Hmm. according to my avm fritzbox router, the raspberry pi has an IP (via wireless lan). But neither ping nor ssh get a response.
[15:23] <FR^2> I wonder what's going on ;) And I'll see in a few hours when I get home
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[15:46] <taza> Grumble grumble
[15:46] <taza> I was supposed to test things
[15:46] <taza> Instead I'm at 100% cpu utilization and will be for the next few months.
[15:46] <taza> Wait, did I say cpu? I meant brain.
[15:46] <taza> Real life. Always messing with my hardware testing.
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[18:01] <basiclaser> just confirming that i had a successful raspbian image clone from a 4GB SD to a 32GB SD, it runs and expanded fine :)
[18:01] <basiclaser> used dd
[18:02] <lordievader> basiclaser: :D
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[18:17] <BetaPinky> dd?
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[23:20] <basiclaser> hey guys i'm trying to scp a id_rsa.pub public key over to my Pi, but it says no such file or directory exists (the id_rsa.pub that is), even though i can see the file sitting there in .ssh
[23:21] <basiclaser> do you have any advice?
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[23:42] <gordonDrogon> does .ssh exist on the Pi?
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> you need to copy it to .ssh/authorized_keys
[23:46] <gregoa> ssh-copy-id(1) might help
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