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IRC Log for 2013-06-26

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[0:06] <\\Mr_C\\> whats leetspeak?
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[0:12] <plugwash> leetspeak is replacing letters with numbers, deliberate misspellings, shortened words etc to look cool
[0:12] <plugwash> what the guest was saying looked more like txt speak to me
[0:12] <plugwash> both make you look immature though.....
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[0:21] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[0:21] <\\Mr_C\\> r u male or female
[0:21] <\\Mr_C\\> i see
[0:21] <\\Mr_C\\> thats what the kiddies do
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[0:42] <Tachyon`> yeah, that's teenspeak and no mistake, lol
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[1:17] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
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[7:00] <ParkerR> Kaboon, If you are using ZNC < 1.0 you have to enable max joins of 1
[7:00] <ParkerR> Gaah
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[7:00] <ParkerR> Kaboon, If you are using ZNC < 1.0 you have to enable max joins of 1
[7:01] <ParkerR> Or update ZNC to >= 1.0 as it has rewritten join code
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[8:34] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is there a cross-compiler Raspbian used to build packages? Or should I just get whatever's in the Emdebian repos or build my own?
[8:38] <ParkerR> You can setup a cross compiler environment
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[8:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yeah, sure. I see something called "multiarchcross" in archive.raspbian.org, what is that?
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[8:39] <ParkerR> Nonono
[8:40] <ParkerR> http://www.kitware.com/blog/home/post/426
[8:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hm, I haven't tried crosstool yet.
[8:42] <ParkerR> This isnt running on the Pi
[8:42] <ParkerR> This is on a beefier machine
[8:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> ParkerR: yeah, that's what I had in mind
[8:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Compiling on the Pi or through QEMU is horribly slow. :)
[8:43] <ParkerR> I dont mind compiling on the Pi
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[8:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> I wonder what's that multiarchcross thing in the repos, it contains stuff such as http://archive.raspbian.org/multiarchcross/pool/main/g/gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf/gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf_4.7.1-8%2brpi1%2bcross1_amd64.deb
[8:46] <twolife> Eduard_Munteanu: http://twolife.be/raspbian/multiarchcross/
[8:46] <ParkerR> Better yet https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchCross
[8:47] <ParkerR> An actual description
[8:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hm, I've seen that, wasn't sure it was related.
[8:47] <ParkerR> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17254
[8:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> ParkerR: yep, much of what I'm doing...
[8:49] <ParkerR> Thats slightly different
[8:50] <ParkerR> Than the crosstools
[8:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> Any idea if the Emdebian toolchains are suitable, though?
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[8:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> FWIW, I have a cross-toolchain on the host (Gentoo). But it's not statically-linked.
[8:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> I wonder if I could put that to work, in a sensible way.
[8:51] <twolife> Eduard_Munteanu: the emdebian are not suitable, it produce armv7 binaries
[8:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> twolife: ah, so it's not just controlled by a compiler option
[8:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> I was hoping it was like -m{32,64} on x86.
[8:52] <twolife> ha
[8:52] <twolife> never tried that
[8:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> Dang, gcc should really let one build a multi-way compiler.
[8:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> It makes me wonder if there's a tool which can convert dynamic libs / executables to statically-linked ones.
[8:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Should be straightforward, I guess prelink sort of does that.
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[11:36] <zomgbie_> hey folks, the chromium version installed via standard apt-get in newest raspbian seems to be missing a lot of features - does anybody know how much it got 'tweaked' or something? i mean in comparison to the standard chrome? we wanted to set up a small kiosk with an html5 game for some kids and the versions differ a lot. any tips? :(
[11:36] <das_ofce_> there is no version of chrome for raspbian? :)
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[11:36] <zomgbie_> das_ofce_: i don't follow..
[11:39] <zomgbie_> das_ofce_: you mean there is a big difference between chromium and chrome per se?
[11:39] <zomgbie_> so no raspbian dpkg repo specific problem?
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[11:40] <das_ofce_> zomgbie_: yes, there is quite big difference.. at least when I test it last time..
[11:43] <das_ofce_> at least flash is not there I think
[11:43] <zomgbie_> das_ofce_: ok thanks. i didn't find chrome in the repo though..
[11:44] <zomgbie_> das_ofce_: we are just using html5 canvas and audio - audio doesn't work :(
[11:45] <das_ofce_> zomgbie_: try to go thru these links.. maybe you will find something.. https://www.google.cz/search?q=chromium+html5+audio+support&oq=chromium+html5+au&aqs=chrome.2.57j0l3.5169j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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[11:54] <zomgbie_> das_ofce_: thx, i will try.
[11:58] <dwatkins> I managed to get Chromium to work, but Flash hasn't been ported to the Pi as far as I know.
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[12:05] <zomgbie__> dwatkins: i don't need flash, just feature parity with i386 ubuntu desktop chrome :(
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[12:05] <dwatkins> zomgbie__: I'm not sure what you're trying to say
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[12:08] <zomgbie__> dwatkins: it seems there is a significant difference between chromium/arm/raspbian and chrome/i386/ubuntu the game - animations/audio don't work anymore - don't play and are mixed up on chromium on the rpi
[12:08] <zomgbie__> could be a sever case of 'duh' but i was under the impression that it should be the same..
[12:08] <dwatkins> zomgbie__: I would expect that if certain features aren't ported, yes
[12:09] <dwatkins> depends whether it's a case of HTML5 not being fully implemented or simply that Flash doesn't exist on the Pi.
[12:09] <zomgbie__> dwatkins: ok my other naive thought would have been to compile/cross compile the regular desktop chrome to raspbian?
[12:09] <zomgbie__> dwatkins: it's 100% js html5 features
[12:10] <dwatkins> aha ok, I had similar toubles with youtube, not sure why or what's not been ported in terms of HTML5 compatability.
[12:10] <dwatkins> (after enabling the html5 beat, of course)
[12:10] <dwatkins> the youtube status page seems quite useful to ascertain support for such features
[12:11] <zomgbie__> interesting, we should have done that beforehand :(
[12:11] <dwatkins> I imagine it's a work in progress.
[12:11] <dwatkins> There are other browsers, however, perhaps some of them have a more complete set of audio / video features for HTML5.
[12:12] <zomgbie__> would you think it's feasible to go the desktop chrome compile route?
[12:14] <dwatkins> I doubt it would be easy, even if you could get hold of the sourcecode.
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[12:27] <zomgbie__> dwatkins: thanks for the help.
[12:28] <dwatkins> np
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[13:34] <Tachyon`> er, anyone know why when I install a new wm in debian and attempt to use it (generally by changing the default via update-alternatives --config x-window-manager) it still gives me the old one?
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[13:46] <azeem> Tachyon`: maybe you have a specific WM in your ~/.xinitrc or so?
[13:46] <azeem> how do you start X?
[13:47] <Tachyon`> ah, sorted now, seems it was my fault, apparently a DE and WM are not the same thing, lol
[13:47] <Tachyon`> but startx and nothing in .xinitrc
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[13:47] <Tachyon`> well,now there's a line starting the appropriate DE so I have it as I want it but there wasn't at the time
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[13:50] <azeem> ok
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[15:24] <die7> after todays update os boot hanging
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[15:25] <die7> one of lib can not be proloaded and boot hangs on usb detection part
[15:25] <die7> any exp ?
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[15:29] <die7> it ask me for runlevel
[15:29] <die7> after enter 3 or any nothing happend
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[15:38] <die7> cpu is overl
[15:38] <die7> *overloced
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[15:42] <patagonicus> die7: Maybe your root filesystem got corrupted. Happened to me once with an overclocked Pi, never tried overclocking again for a lack of USB storage.
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[15:45] <die7> hmm
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[15:57] <die7> hmm seams sd card some died since it shows me just 59 mb
[15:57] <die7> it 8 GB big
[15:57] <PhotoJim> you can't store much in 59 millibits.
[15:57] <die7> haha I know
[15:58] <die7> but still confusing
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[16:12] <die7> thats craszy system recognize sd as 59 MB instead of 8GB
[16:13] <die7> killed SD after 2 days using (kingston) overkloced on 1000MhZ
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[17:25] <ParkerR> "<die7> thats craszy system recognize sd as 59 MB instead of 8GB" Do people not realize the SD card gets partitioned?
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[17:32] <patagonicus> ParkerR: *shrug* Probably not.
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[17:48] <martin____> hi there,
[17:48] <martin____> I had to reinstall my raspberry, but made a mistake
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[17:50] <martin____> on the raspberrypi download page, I found that there are raspbian with armhf, and debian with armel, thought that the latter may support more software ando chose this one.
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> and did it?
[17:51] <martin____> Now I see that probably I'll not be able to install xbmc which worked previously
[17:51] <martin____> Question: Is there a way to convert the armel architecture to an armhf one, without reinstalling everything?
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> not really.
[17:53] <martin____> rghmpf. I suspected so.
[17:53] <patagonicus> martin____: don't have much experience with Debian, but you should be able to save the list of selected packages, install Raspbian and restore the list, then update/clean so that you get the same packages.
[17:53] <patagonicus> But that only keeps you from havin to (de)select the packages. Copying over config files from /etc should work mostly, too.
[17:54] <martin____> yes, the packages wouldn't be a big problem...
[17:55] <martin____> It was a nice exercise to get everything running again after breaking my first install: apache, a certificate, dyndns update and the like, which unfortunately is not "packaged"...
[17:55] <martin____> ... and I thought maybe I can save this exercise this time.
[17:56] <patagonicus> Hmm, well, the apache config + the certificate should work if you just copy them over.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> dpkg --save-selections > /tmp/list
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> doh - --get-selections
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> on the new install: dpkg --set-selections < /tmp/list # copy list off old setup!!!
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> then: apt-get -u dselect-upgrade
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> and site back for a while...
[17:58] <martin____> I see
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[17:59] <martin____> for a moment, I thought "wow, could I replace the entire OS, without touching directories like /tmp, and use them later on" - that would be really cool.
[18:01] <martin____> I shifted my / to a harddisk, only reading /boot from sdcard... would there be a way to install on a fresh sdcard, then merging the old / with the new install.... - probably not
[18:01] <patagonicus> That might be possible, but not without being more work than doing a fresh install.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> the only way to effectively do that would be to re-partition it and put /home on a separate partition.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> you can install debian over another debian, but it's not happy about it, and the foundation images are just that - images.
[18:02] <patagonicus> I'd just install Raspbian like normal on the SD, then copy over what I needed. I.e. apache config, certificates, etc.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> and use the get/set-selections to do a quick install of the same packages under raspbian.
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[18:04] <martin____> hmmm... that would be, install on sdcard, get all the needed parts from hd, backup or wipe the rest of hd, re-mount hd as root folder...
[18:05] <martin____> probably that's the way to do it
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[21:00] <Weeman89> i need some help
[21:01] <Weeman89> my pi has frozen while in the desktop envionment but the clock/cpu utilization is still moving
[21:02] <Weeman89> is there a way i can restart without pulling the power?
[21:05] <AsktonH> Hi, try control alt F1
[21:05] <AsktonH> that should take you to the console
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[21:05] <AsktonH> Then you can log in, and reboot (sudo shutdown -r now)
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[21:11] <Weeman89> I'll try that next time, tried replugging in my keyboard and it restarted it :/
[21:11] <Weeman89> Think I have a power issue
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[21:11] <AsktonH> Weeman89, it could be,, but I get random reboots all the time when I unplug USB devices.. (and I'm on a 2A supply.)
[21:13] <AsktonH> Weeman89, but seriously, switching between consoles is one of the most useful features of linux. Give it a go! There are 6 text consoles (F1 to F6), and the graphical environment you're in now is on F7.
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[21:13] <AsktonH> Weeman89, to get to the consoles you go Ctrl Alt F1-F6. Once you're in the text consoles you just switch around with Alt F1 - F7
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[21:14] <gnarface> Weeman89: i have that problem when i plug in a keyboard too; it reboots. i don't think there is enough juice on the usb ports themselves
[21:14] <Weeman89> Ah that's great
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[21:14] <gnarface> Weeman89: i recommend trying to make sure everything is plugged in before boot
[21:15] <gnarface> Weeman89: (or use a powered usb hub to protect the pi from the volatage drop of plugging in a new device)
[21:15] <Weeman89> I have a powered hub was just too lazy to set it up.
[21:15] <Weeman89> I'm using it now.
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[21:30] <gnarface> Weeman89: its hardly ideal i know :-/ i suspect its a side effect of just how little juice the device draws as a whole though
[21:30] <gnarface> not alot of linux computers out there you could fully power with a portable solar panel
[21:31] <Weeman89> indeed
[21:31] <Weeman89> it's a greap small computer
[21:31] <Weeman89> great*
[21:33] <Weeman89> I had it set up with a small USB(1.5A apparently) powerpack thingy the other day to test it out as a portible FM transmitter
[21:33] <Weeman89> and used my phone for SSH
[21:33] <gnarface> nice
[21:34] <gnarface> i have a usb wifi device in mine and i'm trying to figure out how to make it into a wireless to wired ethernet bridge
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[21:48] <gnarface> also trying to figure out if i can use it as a repeater for the signal to my wii-u tablet
[21:49] <gnarface> so i can get further than 30 feet away from the nintendo
[21:50] <Weeman89> That would be pretty cool
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[21:52] <PhotoJim> you'd add latency, if you could even do it. might make it annoying.
[21:52] <PhotoJim> put your Wii U higher up. you'll get better range.
[21:54] <Weeman89> does the wii u controller even use wifi?
[21:55] <Weeman89> or just wifi like?
[21:55] <Weeman89> Proprietary wireless based on IEEE 802.11n[1] NFC, Infrared
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[22:02] <gnarface> yea i thought it was bluetooth, but i was recently informed its 802.11n with some proprietary protocol
[22:02] <gnarface> which means it should in theory be able to be rebroadcast as long as it still uses something looking like normal network packets
[22:03] <gnarface> and yes, it would add latency, but it would also let me walk around corners to say, enter my password for the wireless network from the computer room where the terminal that sets it is in
[22:03] <gnarface> i wouldn't use it for gaming, i'd just use it for staying connected to the machine while walking to the back end of the house
[22:05] <gnarface> PhotoJim: i will try putting it higher up though; its currently in a temporary position because my shelving has not been fully assembled (i just moved)
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[22:14] <PhotoJim> as far as I know, no one's come up with a way to "repeat" the Wii U tablet to the console. It's a proprietary protocol at 5 GHz so it would take some doing to even attempt it.
[22:15] <PhotoJim> you'd be better to come up with some sort of local passive radio repeater in your home, rather than using a computer. that could give you more range. or hacking an external antenna onto your Wii U, but if any of your neighbours have a Wii U, that may not please them.
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[22:24] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all, we just experienced a little unexpected issue with the webchat resulting in all its users being momentarily kicked off the service. It's back working correctly now. Sorry for the inconvenience!
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[22:40] <sebastianpersic> Does anyone know any how-to's for installing alfresco on the pi
[22:41] <nitestryker> what kind of file is it?
[22:42] <nitestryker> is it a bin?
[22:43] <sebastianpersic> yes 64-bit
[22:43] <nitestryker> have you chmod
[22:44] <nitestryker> chmod +x file.bin
[22:45] <nitestryker> ./filename.bin
[22:46] <sebastianpersic> but I think there's a need of oracle 1.8, it's heavy on java dough
[22:46] <nitestryker> there is alot of dependencies
[22:47] <nitestryker> apt-get install libice6 libsm6 libxt6 libxrender1 libfontconfig1
[22:47] <nitestryker> apt-get install libgif4 libjpeg62 libpng12-0 libstdc++5 libxinerama1
[22:48] <nitestryker> you need these
[22:48] <nitestryker> libfontconfig.so
[22:48] <nitestryker> libSM.so
[22:48] <nitestryker> libICE.so
[22:48] <nitestryker> libXrender.so
[22:48] <nitestryker> libXext.so
[22:49] <nitestryker> alfresco-community-X.X.x-installer-linux-x64.bin ---mode text
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[22:52] <sebastianpersic> Ich denke, das ist zu schwer für mich. Ich bin ein Neuling
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[23:45] <Weeman89> 5v at 1A is 5 watts right?
[23:46] <Weeman89> just double checking to make sure I'm not making an ass out of myself
[23:46] * vagrantc thinks so
[23:49] <techman2> Weeman89: correct
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[23:50] <Weeman89> Thought so
[23:50] <Weeman89> I ask because I saw this on /r/raspberry_pi http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1h40h0/practical_meter_great_product_to_determine_best/
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[23:50] <Weeman89> seems abit fishy
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