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[0:14] <MachinaeWolf> yep that image works
[0:14] <MachinaeWolf> the old preinstalled one
[0:14] <gnarface> hooraaay!
[0:15] <gnarface> well that's some evidence at least
[0:15] <gnarface> if i were you i'd make sure i had a pristine copy backup of that pre-installed one, then try a firmware update to see if it still works afterwards on the new SD card
[0:15] <gnarface> your issue could be related to a new-firmware conflicting with this particular card
[0:15] <gnarface> (seems like a rare chance to me but possible)
[0:16] <gnarface> oh, obviously though do a full apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade of debian too after that
[0:16] <gnarface> er, sorry *raspbian i mean
[0:21] <MachinaeWolf> right
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[0:39] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: i'd still be curious how this works for you, if you get time to try it: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[0:40] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: my current primary suspect for your issue is a partitioning error. what type of sd card reader are you using to write the initial image?
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[0:47] <MachinaeWolf> not sure it's an internal laptop one
[0:51] <MachinaeWolf> to add a user to the /etc/group do you put a : or a , between users?
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[0:58] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: sorry, wandered off to get a snack at the snack store. it is ,
[0:58] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: you also have to relog for changes to take effect
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[1:00] <MachinaeWolf> right and nvm I'll usermod
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[1:02] <gnarface> should work too, may also require the target user relog for changes to take effect though
[1:04] <MachinaeWolf> I will
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[1:06] <GenRipper> Has anyone compiled gstreamer 1.0?
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[1:17] <MachinaeWolf> upgrading
[1:17] <MachinaeWolf> I doubt it won't boot after this but we'll see
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[1:24] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: you still got your backup of the working image though right?
[1:24] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: better safe than sorry
[1:24] <MachinaeWolf> yeah
[1:24] <MachinaeWolf> of course
[1:24] <MachinaeWolf> going to reboot after it finishes then add and strip what I want
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[2:35] <MachinaeWolf> hmm installing stuff is stuck on processing triggers for menu for a while, should I be concerned?
[2:37] <MachinaeWolf> I left for a good couple minutes to eat something and it's still stuck on that
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[2:53] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: you should expect installation to flash to be VERY slow compared to your experiences with pc hardware using even very old magnetic storage
[2:53] <MachinaeWolf> ah
[2:54] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: i would say don't worry unless it has been more than 24 hours. its worth noting here though that the raspbian installer (as opposed to the pre-installed image from the foundation) allows you to only install what you wanted, which may significantly decrease total image size
[2:54] <MachinaeWolf> ah
[2:54] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: i can get probably a 1.5 hours install with the raspbian one.... the foundation's pre-installed image, if i recall right, took me like 4 hours total just because of how huge it was
[2:55] <MachinaeWolf> :o
[2:55] <gnarface> MachinaeWolf: its worth noting though that i only am using a few packages, so a minimal install is closer to my target
[2:55] <MachinaeWolf> ah
[2:56] <gnarface> but different SD cards are tuned differently for different file sizes/throughput/burst rates, etc
[2:57] <gnarface> so you'll find in general very unpredictable times for different SD mediums
[2:57] <MachinaeWolf> right
[2:57] <gnarface> i have the best luck with camera-grade stuff because it does better with larger file wirtes
[2:57] <gnarface> *writess*
[2:57] <gnarface> sigh
[2:57] <gnarface> writes*
[2:57] <gnarface> your mileage may vary though
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[3:11] <MachinaeWolf> man it still complains about my hostname when I do sudo stuff...
[3:12] <MachinaeWolf> Is there a way to fix that gnarface?
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[3:55] <MachinaeWolf> What command do I run to get the ip of the pi to ssh or sftp?
[3:59] <atouk> on the pi, or a pc on the network
[3:59] <MachinaeWolf> on the pi
[4:00] <atouk> ifconfig
[4:00] <MachinaeWolf> ah well I tried the 192.168.0.168 as stated by that but it said ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.168 port 22: No route to host
[4:00] <MachinaeWolf> Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer
[4:01] <MachinaeWolf> thought maybe I did something wrong?
[4:01] <atouk> is the rest of your network 192.168.0.* or 192.168.1.*
[4:02] <MachinaeWolf> Yeah this laptop states 192.168.0.198
[4:02] <atouk> and did you do a static IP on the pi, or dhcp
[4:02] <MachinaeWolf> er don't think so
[4:02] <MachinaeWolf> I did tell it to enable ssh though
[4:02] <MachinaeWolf> on the raspi-config
[4:03] <atouk> can you ping it from the pc?
[4:03] <MachinaeWolf> the pi ip?
[4:04] <atouk> yup
[4:04] <atouk> or ping it by name
[4:04] <MachinaeWolf> yeah 2 packets transmitted as I told it to and it also said pipe 2
[4:06] <atouk> and it won't ssh from pc?
[4:06] <MachinaeWolf> nope
[4:06] <atouk> putty?
[4:07] <MachinaeWolf> well I'm using linux on this laptop so sftp as is the case was sufficient just didn't do...
[4:08] <atouk> did you reboot pi after enabling ssh
[4:08] <MachinaeWolf> yeah
[4:09] <atouk> can you try to ssh from a different machine? might be laptop, ot the pi
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[4:11] <MachinaeWolf> hmm let me go try
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[4:25] <MachinaeWolf> atouk, well winscp and putty on the windows desktop both said connection timed out and didn't connect
[4:31] <hifi> can you ssh to localhost *on* the pi
[4:31] <MachinaeWolf> hmm didn't try that one
[4:31] <hifi> that gives a good reading if the ssh server is at all running
[4:31] <hifi> and accepting connections
[4:34] <MachinaeWolf> ssh: connect to host 127.0.0.1 port 22: Connection refused
[4:34] <MachinaeWolf> What's bcast?
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[4:35] <hifi> it really seems you don't have the ssh server running
[4:35] <hifi> if you do "service sshd restart", does that do anything?
[4:36] <MachinaeWolf> unrecognized service it says
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[4:37] <hifi> it seems wait, no d
[4:37] <MachinaeWolf> Also everytime I do a sudo command it fusses about my hostname
[4:37] <hifi> 'service ssh restart'
[4:37] <MachinaeWolf> oh ok
[4:38] <hifi> should be sshd though
[4:38] <MachinaeWolf> it said it's restarting it
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[4:38] <hifi> ah, ok, can you now ssh to localhost on the pi?
[4:38] <MachinaeWolf> still no dice on either ip :/
[4:38] <MachinaeWolf> MOCP playing: Firewind - Maniac - Premonition - 00:05/04:55
[4:38] <hifi> something is really broken
[4:39] <MachinaeWolf> well I didn't break anything...
[4:39] <MachinaeWolf> so idk
[4:39] <hifi> the best thing would be to see what sshd says in the system logs when it restarted
[4:39] <hifi> if you have a typo in sshd_config
[4:43] <MachinaeWolf> k which log?
[4:43] <MachinaeWolf> I rebooted the pi
[4:45] <hifi> don't remember in which log sshd startup messages go, possibly "messages"
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[4:46] <MachinaeWolf> well it wasn't in tail /var/log/messages
[4:46] <hifi> then it could be in auth.log where everything else goes
[4:47] <MachinaeWolf> nah
[4:48] <hifi> restart the ssh server and look into auth.log again
[4:50] <MachinaeWolf> k it says server listening on 0.0.0.0. port 22
[4:50] <MachinaeWolf> idk what pam_unix is but there's stuff about that as well
[4:50] <hifi> and you still can't ssh to localhost?
[4:51] <MachinaeWolf> negative
[4:51] <hifi> pam is important for user authentication
[4:51] <hifi> what messages did pam output?
[4:51] <MachinaeWolf> hmm well that says pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for userspot by todd(uid=0)
[4:51] <hifi> nah, that's normal
[4:52] <hifi> ok, try 'ifconfig lo up'
[4:52] <MachinaeWolf> Keeps on complaining at my perfectly fine hostname when I run any sudo command though...
[4:52] <hifi> then ssh to localhost again
[4:52] <MachinaeWolf> k I'll try
[4:52] <hifi> is your hostname in /etc/hosts appended to the 127.0.0.1 line?
[4:52] <MachinaeWolf> let me see
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[4:53] <MachinaeWolf> nope
[4:53] <hifi> try adding it
[4:53] <MachinaeWolf> ok
[4:53] <hifi> it should stop complaining and it might fix your ssh
[4:54] <MachinaeWolf> no complaining when running sudo commands now :)
[4:54] <MachinaeWolf> still no go on ssh or sftp
[4:54] <MachinaeWolf> reboot maybe?
[4:56] <hifi> restart ssh
[4:56] <MachinaeWolf> nope
[4:58] <MachinaeWolf> pipes key on keyboard puts tilde :o that's not right
[4:58] <MachinaeWolf> ^ on the pi
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[5:15] <MachinaeWolf> oh wait, hmm network went off for some reason on the pi
[5:16] <hifi> service networking start
[5:16] <hifi> IIRC
[5:17] <MachinaeWolf> hmm well my adapter isn't scanning anymore ?_?
[5:17] <MachinaeWolf> idk why
[5:19] <MachinaeWolf> keyboard layout isn't quite right, shift backslash doesn't do pipes key :/
[5:20] <MachinaeWolf> darn it idk what happened
[5:20] <MachinaeWolf> freaking wifi thing not doing, I originally had to manually install a firmware for it off usb
[5:21] <MachinaeWolf> oh that's not good lsusb doesn't see it O_O
[5:21] <MachinaeWolf> wtf?
[5:22] <MachinaeWolf> it did before
[5:22] <MachinaeWolf> oh there we go, unplugged it and it's back
[5:22] <MachinaeWolf> wonky thing...
[5:23] <MachinaeWolf> still no ssh >_<
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[5:28] <MachinaeWolf> whatever I'll just dropbox my configs over, so I have an hdmi to vga adapter and it was working fine on fedora for the pi but it's not working on raspbian
[5:28] <MachinaeWolf> I heard there was a way to make it but you have to edit some config file?
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[5:42] <hifi> what kind of install are you after anyway?
[5:43] <hifi> are you going to run it headless
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[5:43] <MachinaeWolf> nah
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[8:42] <raven> how to encrypt home?
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[14:07] <HelenaKitty> for some reason ntp isn't updating my time, also the correct timezone is in /etc/timezone and I am using UK pools of ntp servers cause I'm in the UK.
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[14:22] <hifi> HelenaKitty: the ntp server doesn't shift your clock over 5 minutes or so without forcing it to do that
[14:22] <hifi> err, ntp daemon
[14:22] <hifi> the way it is configured depends if you're using openntpd or not
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[14:37] <HelenaKitty> hifi: It's just everytime I boot my pi the clock is 1 hour behind o.o
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[14:38] <hifi> HelenaKitty: regardless when you shut it down?
[14:39] <HelenaKitty> hifi: What?
[14:39] <hifi> exactly one hour behind
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[14:46] <HelenaKitty> hifi: Yes
[14:46] <hifi> sounds like the time is saved as local time and read as UTC
[14:47] <HelenaKitty> o.o
[14:47] <hifi> your difference to UTC is one hour
[14:47] <hifi> I don't know how you can end up in that kind of situation though
[14:48] <HelenaKitty> but /etc/timezone says Europe/London
[14:48] <hifi> wait, it *says* Europe/London?
[14:48] <hifi> what do you mean by that
[14:48] <HelenaKitty> this is a fresh install of raspbian
[14:48] <hifi> how did you read that Europe/London
[14:49] <patagonicus> "cat" probably.
[14:49] <HelenaKitty> wow how else would it say it?!
[14:49] <hifi> right, well, I don't think /etc/timezone actually does anything, the actual effective timezone settings is /etc/localtime
[14:49] <hifi> which is a binary file
[14:50] <hifi> do dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[14:50] <HelenaKitty> thnx
[14:50] <patagonicus> hifi: I think timezone is used for updates of tzdata to automatically update localtime, but I'm not sure.
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[14:50] <hifi> could be
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[14:54] <HelenaKitty> Local time is now: Wed Jul 24 15:52:06 BST 2013.
[14:54] <HelenaKitty> Universal Time is now: Wed Jul 24 14:52:06 UTC 2013.
[14:54] <hifi> looks legit
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[14:55] <HelenaKitty> why would u assume it's not legit?!
[14:55] <hifi> just a figure of speech...
[14:58] <HelenaKitty> I got a crystal clear picture from the RCA output!
[14:59] <HelenaKitty> VGA quality only with a shitty refresh rate.
[14:59] <hifi> you can't get very high resolution out of it though
[15:00] <HelenaKitty> hifi: Yeah I know. :(
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[15:03] <HelenaKitty> 09
[15:03] <HelenaKitty> 109
[15:03] <HelenaKitty> 09
[15:03] <HelenaKitty> ...
[15:03] <HelenaKitty> my bad sorry
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[15:06] <nitind_> That's what the HDMI output's for.
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[15:46] <zombieman> ill be back later i have to go to work thanks again
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[16:03] <dav> gee omxplayer is hard to build..
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[16:39] <Paul2> raspbian autoupdates doesn't it? My DVB-T dongle was working with TVHeadend, but given a restart it's no longer got a working driver (according to dmesg)
[16:42] <hifi> I don't suppose it does that unattended without requesting it
[16:45] <Paul2> on restart I think it does? Maybe I'm wrong
[16:46] <Paul2> I have gone from a working setup to being stuck at "dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-it9135-02.fw)" in dmesg :(
[16:49] <Paul2> strange that it would stop working, though. It's the bottom one in the first table on http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ITE_IT9135
[16:50] <hifi> well, it's clear the firmware file is missing
[16:51] <hifi> it's an external file on your system, you could google where to find that file and where you should put it
[16:51] <hifi> probably /lib/firmware
[16:51] <hifi> there is possibly also a firmware package for raspbian in the repository
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[16:54] <Paul2> ah, it seems to be this http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=9301
[16:54] <Paul2> it's wierd that it was working though? what would cause the firmware to break/not be recognised?
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[16:55] <hifi> the firmware is a file, the file was removed
[16:56] <Paul2> do you not think that's a bit wierd?
[16:56] <hifi> not necessarily, some package might have conflicted and created a situation where the firmware package was removed
[16:56] <hifi> if such was installed
[16:56] <Paul2> ah I see
[16:57] <hifi> or someone screwed up packaging and that happened
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[18:30] <cart_man1> Guys why if I run this comman "sudo update-rc.d tightvncserver defaults" I get the following error... "warning: script 'tightvncserver' missing LSB tags and overrides' ?
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[20:20] <reindeerflotilla> hi guys, I'm truing to get a bluetooth headset working with a raspberry pi running raspbian, full details are up here: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8582/setting-up-a-bluetooth-headset Basically I think I can connect to it, but can't figure out how to get it to appear as a sound card with aplay. Has anybody done this before?
[20:20] <reindeerflotilla> *trying
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[23:37] <poli> Hello all. If all I want is the lowest maintenance possible embedded raspbian install, is there some no-X no-extras image I could use?
[23:37] <BManojlovic> poli: you can create it by yourself
[23:38] <poli> BManojlovic: Can you refer me to some documentation on that?
[23:38] <BManojlovic> poli: if using debian based system use deboostrap or qdebootstrap
[23:38] <vagrantc> qdebootstrap?
[23:38] <poli> BManojlovic, vagrantc: thank you!
[23:39] <BManojlovic> qemu
[23:39] <BManojlovic> qemu based one
[23:39] <vagrantc> qemu-debootstrap
[23:39] <BManojlovic> poli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch/QemuDebootstrap
[23:42] <poli> BManojlovic, vagrantc: thank you again
[23:42] <BManojlovic> poli: if you are using opensuse 64bit i can give you script which will prepare cross compiler
[23:43] <BManojlovic> still not "ported" to deb based systems...
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