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[0:25] <emcepe> hey guys
[0:27] <emcepe> looking for some help with omxplayer. anyone willing to help? I'd be super appreciative. is there any way to run omxplayer "in the background" or a way to start a new video/quit the video which is playing while being logged in remotely? I know there is "q" to quit. But let's assume I am controlling omxplayer using scripts?
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[3:38] <Chat6140> Hi
[3:38] <- *Chat6140* Hi
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[8:34] <murak> Hello! I use PiBang on my 256mb rpi and it outputs 1080p to my monitor, wich is correct. How ever I want to try 720p to see if it will speed things up a bit, does any one know how to change the resolution in openbox?
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[8:41] <dexta> morning
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[15:33] <gnarface> how is the latest firmware treating everyone?
[15:35] <PhotoJim> I don't recall seeing a firmware update recently. how recent?
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[16:08] <gnarface> PhotoJim: i guess the last update i did was probably february or something
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[16:21] <PhotoJim> gnarface: ahh, yeah, there have been one or two updates to the firmware since then.
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[16:45] <gnarface> PhotoJim: the update mentioned something about a change to the syntax for defining gpu/cma split i think? i can't scroll back far enough to see where it said to look for documentation
[16:45] <gnarface> PhotoJim: you got any info on that?
[16:45] <PhotoJim> no, but if you run that config utility raspiconfig it'll change the config file accordingly.
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[16:48] <gnarface> ok, new topic; what's the deal with lm-sensors. are there no sensors?
[16:49] <PhotoJim> I don't think there are any, no.
[16:49] <PhotoJim> but I'm not positive about that.
[16:49] <PhotoJim> it's a very low-cost board so it wouldn't shock me if they were intentionally left out to keep cost down.
[16:49] <PhotoJim> then again I know the Pi will throttle its speed if you overclock it and it gets hot, which makes me think perhaps it has a temperature sensor.
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[16:51] <gnarface> PhotoJim: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt well this page refers to a temperature sensor for sure, but lm-sensors doesn't seem to be compatible with ti
[16:52] <gnarface> *it
[16:52] <PhotoJim> it may not be.
[16:52] <PhotoJim> so that matches what I know. nice. :)
[16:52] <PhotoJim> it's there, sort of.
[16:52] <gnarface> also "cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp" as mentioned, doesn't give me a human-readable temperature
[16:52] <gnarface> it gives me "44925"
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[16:53] <PhotoJim> it might be convertible to something meaningful
[16:53] <PhotoJim> could be 44.925 C also
[16:53] <gnarface> hmm
[16:53] <PhotoJim> that'd be slightly warm but reasonable for a CPU
[16:53] <gnarface> seems plausible as anything. i wish i knew
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[16:54] <gnarface> do you use cma at all?
[16:54] <gnarface> it used to work for me way back when, but a previous firmware update hosed it for me (as well as edid detection)
[16:54] <PhotoJim> no, I must not since I'm unfamiliar with it
[16:55] <PhotoJim> my Alix 2D3 is 39.0 C right now for comparison.
[16:55] <gnarface> cma is just that feature where by you could set a range of ram values for the gpu/arm memory split, and it would dynamically adjust as needed
[16:55] <PhotoJim> ahh, that sounds potentially useful.
[16:56] <gnarface> its not a huge problem for me to just lock it down to 128MB but it was nice to have the flexibility
[16:56] <PhotoJim> I've just got mine statically set.
[16:56] <gnarface> its all described there on that config.txt page i linked
[16:56] <gnarface> but i'm not sure how current the info is
[16:56] <PhotoJim> nor am I.
[16:57] <PhotoJim> someone here will know if you're patient enough.
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[18:13] <Vorpal> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[18:13] <Vorpal> libnettle4 libarchive12 emacsen-common cmake-data cmake cmake-curses-gui libbsd-dev libtinfo-dev libncurses5-dev
[18:13] <Vorpal> What on earth happened?
[18:13] <Vorpal> Seems my package keyring is wrong somehow?
[18:13] <Vorpal> Is my system corrupt or did something change?
[18:13] <gnarface> Vorpal: you gotta update the keyring package first i think
[18:14] <Vorpal> gnarface, apt-get dist-upgrade says nothing needs to be updated...
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[18:15] <Vorpal> raspbian-archive-keyring is installed hm
[18:17] <Vorpal> Trying to reinstall it
[18:18] <Vorpal> Didn't help
[18:20] <gnarface> Vorpal: how about debian-archive-keyring?
[18:20] <Vorpal> gnarface, any other idea?
[18:20] <Vorpal> gnarface, which version of the keyring package do you have?
[18:21] <Vorpal> $ apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
[18:21] <Vorpal> ...
[18:21] <Vorpal> Note, selecting 'raspbian-archive-keyring' instead of 'debian-archive-keyring'
[18:21] <Vorpal> raspbian-archive-keyring is already the newest version.
[18:21] <vagrantc> i presume you've tried running apt-get update?
[18:21] <Vorpal> Well, that didn't work
[18:21] <Vorpal> Of course, using the mirrordirector
[18:21] <Vorpal> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[18:22] <Vorpal> Has that changed?
[18:22] <Vorpal> I also have: deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main
[18:22] <Vorpal> Oh and deb-src for the mirrordirector
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[18:23] <Vorpal> vagrantc, has it changed?
[18:25] <gnarface> hmm
[18:26] <vagrantc> maybe the mirrordirector is directing you to a bunk mirror?
[18:26] <Vorpal> Possibly
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[18:27] <Vorpal> vagrantc, but aptitude (gah it is slow) list every single package as non-verifiable, so it makes me think that the package *index* signature is probably corrupt
[18:27] <Vorpal> Would match since it happens before apt-get starts the download anyway
[18:28] <Vorpal> And I thought that the stuff from apt-get update was served directly by the mirror due to various limitations (while downloads were served by the various mirrors)
[18:28] <Vorpal> I seem to remember some dev in here saying that
[18:29] <Vorpal> Hm, file claims that /etc/apt/trusted.gpg is "data"... Maybe the keyring file is corrupt. Since on my desktop it identifies the same file as a public key ring
[18:29] <Vorpal> I guess I'll try re-creating the keyring
[18:30] <vagrantc> that's all a gpg key is
[18:30] <Vorpal> Yeah that worked
[18:31] <Vorpal> vagrantc, sure, but file on my debian wheezy desktop identifies it as a *specific* kind of data
[18:31] <Vorpal> as opposed to the general "data" response when file doesn't know what it is
[18:31] <vagrantc> mine doesn't
[18:31] <Vorpal> I recreated the files, now it says:
[18:31] <Vorpal> $ file /etc/apt/*.gpg
[18:31] <Vorpal> /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg: GPG key trust database version 3
[18:31] <Vorpal> /etc/apt/trusted.gpg: GPG key public ring
[18:32] <Vorpal> And it started working again
[18:32] <Vorpal> Not sure why, I don't even have my / on sdcard (using an external USB HDD for all but /boot)
[18:32] <vagrantc> well good
[18:32] <Vorpal> So couldn't be those sdcard corruption issues
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[19:05] <plugwash> The trouble with SD card corruption is it can manifest as virtually any kind of breakage
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[19:35] <jerd> Hi, just ordered a pi and I have a question regarding the SD-card. I searched for an answer but couldn
[19:36] <jerd> │'t find it. The writing to flashmemory is limited, is it possible to move main dir like home to an USB drive?
[19:37] <vagrantc> sure
[19:40] <CeilingKitten> jerd, you can run the OS off a usb drive or an NFS network share, but the bootable sector has to be on an SD, you cant boot without an SD
[19:40] <jerd> So /boot is on the sd card, but the rest can be moved if I understand you?
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[19:43] <hifi> jerd: I've yet seen any SD card die on me when running a system from it
[19:43] <vagrantc> it doesn't even need to be /boot, specifically ... just the firmware + kernel
[19:44] <hifi> modern cards are not so fragile anymore
[19:44] <jerd> I'm not so certain about it hifi, I had two cards die on me
[19:45] <hifi> were they quite recent?
[19:45] <hifi> and not off-brand
[19:45] <jerd> A few years ago
[19:45] <jerd> And branded
[19:45] <hifi> how much were they used?
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[19:45] <jerd> A lot in my camera
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[19:46] <hifi> ah, and even in proper use
[19:46] <jerd> Ye
[19:46] <hifi> both from the same vendor?
[19:46] <jerd> Sandisk and the other was a Fuji
[19:47] <hifi> you're either really good at killing cards or they were both defective
[19:47] <jerd> Maybe
[19:47] <hifi> though if you do shoot a lot the cards do get written completely every time
[19:48] <jerd> RAW images ;)
[19:48] <hifi> anyway, as people said, yes, you can
[19:48] <hifi> any combination, just need to do some manual work to accomplish that
[19:49] <hifi> there are no ready made images but the raspbian installer might be able to pull that off
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[19:49] <hifi> custom partitioning without it blowing up completely
[19:49] <jerd> I will look into it
[19:50] <hifi> it'll take a good while to install all the software if you're going to use it as a desktop
[19:50] <hifi> compared to raw image that has pre-installed
[19:50] <jerd> It will be a server for experiments
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[19:52] <hifi> if you're doing a *server* install I can always warmly recommend raspbian-ua-netinst and if you need special partitioning I might just add support for that
[19:52] <hifi> which does a minimal raspbian netinstall on the SD card, default install is under 200MB
[19:53] <CeilingKitten> xD was just gonna wsay jerd sounds like a candidate for hifi's special raspbian-ua-netinst =)
[19:53] <hifi> at some point people will get fed up with me recommending it to almost everyone :p
[19:53] <hifi> not biased, honest, lol
[19:53] * CeilingKitten has be been recommending it in other channels
[19:53] <CeilingKitten> xD
[19:54] <CeilingKitten> that's ok they can get fed up with both of us
[19:54] <hifi> have even been bothering plugwash about it
[19:54] <hifi> he'll hang me soon enough
[19:54] <CeilingKitten> =|
[19:54] <CeilingKitten> lol
[19:55] <hifi> though if you just want separate /home default raspbian-ua-netinst is good enough base
[19:55] <hifi> just create the fs for your external drive and mount it as /home before adding any users
[19:55] <hifi> problem solved \o/
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[19:57] <CeilingKitten> plus when you live reinstall all your files are safe on the other drive :o
[19:57] <CeilingKitten> reinstall os, remount /home =)
[19:57] <hifi> that too
[19:57] <CeilingKitten> i like it =)
[19:58] <hifi> unfortunately the rpi-update package is broken and I couldn't reach the maintainer by mail
[19:58] <hifi> it doesn't properly pull kmod and wget as dependency
[19:59] <hifi> so it will miserably fail at few different points
[19:59] <CeilingKitten> umm is it possible to take a preinstalled copy and save it as a .deb?
[20:00] <hifi> the issue is just that you need to apt-get install kmod wget
[20:00] <CeilingKitten> i use checkinstall to turn things i make ./ install into deb files for later =)
[20:00] <hifi> oh, and mkdir /lib/modules
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[20:00] <hifi> after those three it will work
[20:00] <CeilingKitten> oh thats not so bad,
[20:00] <hifi> that /lib/modules requirement is silly and wget is usually installed anyway (at least in default server preset of mine)
[20:01] <hifi> but kmod isn't and /lib/modules doesn't exist
[20:01] <hifi> I could hack it on my end but that would make me a sad panda, again
[20:01] <CeilingKitten> i've not heard of kmod, but i even used wget on windows =)
[20:01] <hifi> (create /lib/modules in the install script and add kmod to server preset)
[20:01] <hifi> that way it would work out of box with default settings
[20:02] <hifi> though if plugwash gets the kernel stuff sorted out I will change the recommendation from rpi-update to actual kernel and firmware packages
[20:03] * plugwash is currently trying to update the 3.6 kernel package in raspbian
[20:03] * hifi likes to think himself as the activator
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[20:04] <plugwash> unfortunately the code that takes stuff from the foundation's git repository and turns it into a monster set of patches can be tempramental sometimes
[20:04] <CeilingKitten> sounds like a good plan, you sort of skip the middle man, but end-users will prolly be getting rpi-update eventually to update their firmware.
[20:05] * CeilingKitten waves at plugwash
[20:05] <CeilingKitten> Thanks for being awesome by the way :)
[20:05] <hifi> CeilingKitten: that would be the Wrong way to do it if the packages are kept up-to-date
[20:05] <hifi> currently it's a bit of a mess from my perspective
[20:06] <plugwash> it is and ulitimately the mess starts from the rpf
[20:06] <hifi> there is no 'install this' kind of meta package for the recommended kernel and the 3.2 kernel is a bit broken
[20:06] <plugwash> who seem to hop onto whatever kernel they feel like without considering it's security support position, fail to maintain stable interfaces between kernel and firmware
[20:07] <CeilingKitten> most users tell me they dont update anything at all firmware wise, and im clueless so i just run hexxeh's rpi-update every other day
[20:07] <hsp> is the firmware on github for hard-float only, or can i use on soft-float too? ==> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
[20:08] <hifi> they maintain both
[20:08] <hifi> also that's the wrong repository
[20:08] <hifi> the Hexxeh repository only contains the hf version afaik
[20:08] <hifi> and the foundation one contains both
[20:08] <hifi> for the firmware specific binary tools in /opt/vc
[20:08] <hifi> and libraries
[20:09] <hifi> which you don't need in a server environment btw.
[20:09] <hifi> mostly at least
[20:09] <CeilingKitten> ^ maybe just the vcgencmd for pulling cpu temp if thats your thing
[20:10] <hifi> isn't that also available from acpi?
[20:10] <CeilingKitten> I've not tried it o-o
[20:12] <hifi> it's quite sad the firmware tools are closed source (correct me if I'm wrong)
[20:12] <plugwash> AIUI all the arm side stuff is open source now (it wasn't initially)
[20:12] <hsp> hifi, what is the right repo?
[20:13] <hifi> hsp: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[20:13] <hsp> thx
[20:13] <hifi> Hexxeh repo is a non-official clone with only the important stuff
[20:13] <plugwash> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland for the source for the userland stuff
[20:13] <plugwash> https://github.com/raspberrypi/kernel for kernel source
[20:13] <hifi> plugwash: ah, thanks
[20:13] <hifi> so everything is open source now except the firmware blobs in /boot?
[20:14] <plugwash> sorry it's /linux not /kernel
[20:14] <plugwash> AIUI everything that runs on the arm is opensource, the stuff that runs on the GPU is not
[20:15] <hifi> I'm not a huge fan of the debian policy of openness but if only the actual firmware is still blob it's a big win anyway
[20:15] <hsp> 404 ==> https://github.com/raspberrypi/kernel
[20:15] <plugwash> <plugwash> sorry it's /linux not /kernel
[20:15] <hifi> that means porting to other OSs is easier and everything that actually matters is open sourced
[20:16] <hifi> I doubt they will ever open source the firmware bits because it would expose stuff like the hardware mpeg2 decoder
[20:16] <hifi> speaking of that has anyone actually cracked the key generation algorithm yet?
[20:16] <hifi> it's interesting on paper
[20:18] <CeilingKitten> off the record I believe i know a n00b way around the CPU Serial ID's and Mpeg2/Vc1 Licenses, but i can't imagine they left that hole open
[20:20] <CeilingKitten> I know how to change your board revisions, serials, etc,. piping them into the kernel, but i dont know if they are doublechecked by the GPU again, i havent bothered to try because, i'm a slacker, il ike the rpi, and the keys are cheap
[20:21] <CeilingKitten> I believe its meant for debug purposes when they were testing between board revisions, and variations.
[20:21] <CeilingKitten> unless you meant the key on the blob's themselves
[20:22] <hifi> I'm interested in the algorithm and cracking that instead of cheating a free license
[20:22] <CeilingKitten> from what i hear we've got more than broadcom has ever given lol, so that's a good start anyway
[20:23] <hifi> but it's sad I couldn't publish that information because I don't want to hurt the foundation
[20:23] <CeilingKitten> i dont think it be good to get the license anyway other than paying, it prolly get the charity in trouble =|
[20:23] <hifi> though on the other hand it would be very intersting to see how that would play out
[20:24] <CeilingKitten> yeah, best not too, though if you could decompile the blob and get some better support, secretly that be nice
[20:24] <hifi> they could get in serious trouble for having weak security
[20:24] <hifi> which they do have
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[20:25] <hifi> however you look at it, 32 bit key is way too small
[20:25] <hifi> with proper poking around brute forcing your own key on the pi could prove to be really effective
[20:25] <hifi> even without knowing the algorithm
[20:25] <CeilingKitten> I wouldn't mind if the whole thing was open though, im sure it would get some awesome innovations, accelorate some ports
[20:26] <hifi> but as I understood the key is loaded by the bootloader so it wouldn't be possible to just switch it on-the-fly
[20:26] <CeilingKitten> reboot, swap test, reboot
[20:27] <hifi> it takes too long
[20:27] <CeilingKitten> yup
[20:27] <hifi> even if you use all the key spaces in the config it would take years
[20:29] <hifi> worst case the key is loaded into the device memory and it would be possible to change it on-the-fly and ask the GPU if it's ok now
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[20:30] <CeilingKitten> i wonder if anyone hs been using the rpi's gpu as a processor yet
[20:30] <hifi> also for the record mpeg2 decoding is rather useless
[20:30] <CeilingKitten> ^ lol pi plays everything i have but ancient mpg and some old buggy divx, i'll prolly be converting anyway
[20:31] <plugwash> hifi, why?
[20:31] <hifi> plugwash: why what?
[20:31] <plugwash> why is mpeg2 decoding rather useless?
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[20:32] <hifi> I don't really know any good uses except if you plug a DVB USB card to it
[20:33] <hifi> nothing useful is streamed as mpeg2 these days, except SD digital television
[20:37] <hifi> anyway, I'm off to bed, gl to everyone with their projects
[20:42] <CeilingKitten> goodnight =)
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[20:47] <plugwash> why oh why is the linux kernel git tree so fucking big :(
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[20:47] <vagrantc> it's smaller than many kernel trees, so i hear.
[20:48] <plugwash> it's partly the way git likes to include full history
[20:48] <plugwash> which makes a clone of the linux git tree about a gigabyte :(
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[20:58] <hid3> Hello everyone. Is there any console mp3 player for Raspbian?
[21:01] <heyyoo> did you try mplayer?
[21:03] <hid3> Don't have raspberry pi on hands, I'm just checking if it will suit my needs and planning to get one...
[21:05] <heyyoo> it should work with mplayer
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[21:05] <heyyoo> mpg123 audiofile.mp3
[21:05] <hid3> what about feeding it the whole directory which contains 100-200 mp3's?
[21:06] <heyyoo> wait, mpg123 isnt part of mplayer
[21:06] <heyyoo> so you dont need to install mplayer, only mpg123
[21:07] <heyyoo> 100-200 doesnt sound much
[21:08] <heyyoo> about how you use it just google for the manpage
[21:08] <hid3> great, thanks
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[21:12] <Chubbs> Can anyone help me access my RPi filesystem(on an sdcard) from an OSX machine? When I pop it in my macbook, I feel like I'm seeing a different partition of the card
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[21:12] <Chubbs> I wrote a bad shell script and my RPi wont boot properly, I need to remove a line from the script :|
[21:14] <plugwash> I guess you can only see the fat partition with the boot files on it?
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[21:15] <Chubbs> yeah
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[21:15] <plugwash> what i'd do is edit cmdline.txt and add " init=/bin/bash" then put the card back in your pi
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[21:16] <plugwash> that will cause the Pi to drop to a shell early in the boot process, you can then use your favorite command line editor to fix things
[21:18] <surg66> i'm having an issue with motion: "http_bindsock: motion-stream creating socket/bind ERROR / motion_init: Problem enabling motion-stream server in port 8081" is anyone able to offer any help or point me in the right direction of some resources so i can figure it out? must be something to do with ports?
[21:28] <plugwash> make sure the ipv6 module is loaded, I belive the foundation image doesn't have it loaded by default and some debian apps don't like it if it isn't loaded
[21:28] <plugwash> other than that I can't suggest much
[21:29] <surg66> okay, will look into that. thanks. (it was working just fine before i installed ddclient btw)
[21:36] <plugwash> netstat -anp may give some clues
[21:38] <Chubbs> plugwash: thanks for the tip, but unfortunatly that made the rpi hang even earlier during bootup
[21:38] <Chubbs> Going to install a linux distro on a virtual machine to access the files
[21:38] <plugwash> it should have made it dump you at a root shell
[21:38] <plugwash> are you sure it's hung and not sitting at a prompt waiting for commands
[21:39] <Chubbs> it starts to hang about 3s after plugging in the power, while its initializing my usb devices
[21:39] <plugwash> are you postive it's hung, what happens if you press enter a few times?
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[21:49] <surg66> plugwash: i just used modprobe to enable ipv6 and but that didn't seem to solve the issue
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