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[5:03] <MoJo1760> Hello all...I'm working on a raspi project and I need the net-snmp and net-snmp-utils packages, but they don't seem to be available in raspbian wheezy...what repos should I point to or are there equivilent packages that I need to isntall?
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[5:20] <rela> hi
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[9:23] <dexta> morning
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[10:48] <gnarface> 'morning dexta
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[11:15] <Haxxa> hello
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[11:17] <gnarface> yo
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[11:21] <CeilingKitten> Good morning =)
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[11:21] <hifi> morning :)
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[11:32] <Haxxa> I accidently deleted /etc/cups and now I can't get cups to work even on fresh install - any recomendations?
[11:34] <gnarface> purge it then reinstall
[11:34] <gnarface> apt-get --purge remove [package name]
[11:35] <gnarface> apt-get install [package name]
[11:35] <Haxxa> cheers I'll give a shot 2 mins
[11:37] <Haxxa> yay cups works
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[14:14] <surg66> any had any success with encryption on the rpi?
[14:14] <surg66> i've heard it could be too slow to realistically use
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[14:18] <MrSparkle> I don't imagine aes twofish serpent going well
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[14:28] <CeilingKitten> AES alone would be rough, combining the three (eg. trucrypt prolly a bad idea)
[14:28] <surg66> :(
[14:28] <CeilingKitten> you could try doing jus tone encryption scheme with truecrypt, or maybe EncFS
[14:28] <CeilingKitten> or mount the volume remotely and have the pi mount that off the network, that was it's not respeonsible for the overhead involved
[14:29] <surg66> interesting idea
[14:29] <CeilingKitten> there server hosting the volume would be responsible for the reads/writes, and then serving them to the pi
[14:30] <surg66> nice idea, however i need the pi to be doing the work as it'll be the only thing that's always on. i'm setting it up for use as a btsync server and i'd like the data to be encrypted incase of theft.
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[14:32] <CeilingKitten> so you are worried about theft of more than likely pre-thefted things >.>
[14:32] <CeilingKitten> or you use BTSync legitimately lol?
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[14:33] <CeilingKitten> for you to automount or your volume, it will have the key in the open anyways in config files here or there swap SD into laptop password discovered.
[14:33] <CeilingKitten> unless you want to remote login and mount it everytime your pi loses power
[14:34] <CeilingKitten> sound slike you would be better off with an Intel Atom w/ onboard AES support builtin to the CPU
[14:34] <CeilingKitten> RPI = Pentium 3
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[14:35] <surg66> haha, yeah i actually use btsync legitimately
[14:35] <CeilingKitten> encryption will eat your cpu so its all software done, no hardware support, so basically btsync and your os will have limited resources
[14:35] <CeilingKitten> Why btsync?
[14:35] <surg66> i'm happy to ssh into the the pi and remount when it loses power
[14:35] <CeilingKitten> why not rsync over SSH
[14:36] <CeilingKitten> you can mirror directories between machines, there is no publicly available url that can be easily cut and pasted (Security issues)
[14:36] <CeilingKitten> encrypted in transit unlike btsync
[14:37] <surg66> that's something to consider..
[14:37] <CeilingKitten> that or unisonfs or somethign similiar
[14:37] <surg66> however, i'll still have unencrypted files on the pi
[14:38] <CeilingKitten> virtual raid or webdav mount a remote server into your pi as an actual folder
[14:39] <surg66> all great ideas, but the pi is the only "server" i have access to
[14:39] <CeilingKitten> If its encrypted on the pi its syncing encrypted to everywhere else
[14:39] <CeilingKitten> thats your plan?
[14:40] <surg66> i was hoping that once mounted, the encrypted files would be synced with no encryption
[14:41] <CeilingKitten> =\
[14:41] <MrSparkle> even with the lackluster encryption abilities of a pi, might be IO bootlenecked anyways?
[14:41] <CeilingKitten> ^
[14:41] <surg66> my main concern is that in the event of theft, the pi would contain lots of easily accessible personal documents
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[14:42] <CeilingKitten> you plan to carry your server around?
[14:43] <surg66> no but it's in shared office space
[14:44] <CeilingKitten> I'm gonna go with horrible plan Z, hook the gpio up to a motion sensor and an Artic S3 1 Watt laser, and instantly blind would be thieves, janitorial staff, and whoever else walks into the same room as the pi.
[14:44] <CeilingKitten> if they can't see it they can't steal it
[14:45] <surg66> haha
[14:45] <CeilingKitten> if you had two rpis, one could run opencv for head tracking
[14:45] <CeilingKitten> XD
[14:45] <sysx1000> LOL
[14:45] <surg66> i like this idea
[14:45] <CeilingKitten> the laser would only costs you enough money buy a whole computer or about 10+ pis
[14:46] <CeilingKitten> if you made it fire into a crystal or a diamon on top of the pi you could call it a visual death blossom >.>
[14:46] <sysx1000> Does btsync sends data across network unencrypted?
[14:46] <CeilingKitten> or an octal incindiery disco inferno
[14:46] <MrSparkle> get an intel nuc v:
[14:47] <CeilingKitten> sysx1000, its based off bittorrent, i'd assume there was some level of prevention, but anyone who happens to find or steal your URL has all your files.
[14:47] <CeilingKitten> for the purpose described use, i think its not a good plan
[14:48] <CeilingKitten> there are more secure ways to share files fast and easy
[14:48] <sysx1000> sync truecrypt volumes
[14:48] <CeilingKitten> =\ cpu bottleneck on reads and writes
[14:49] <MrSparkle> why leave it in an office >_>
[14:49] <surg66> i'm considering all the options (including visual death blossom)..
[14:49] <CeilingKitten> if the pi hosts the volumes its responsible for passing everything done on it to the cpu for encryption before going back to the drive
[14:49] <sysx1000> I do agree, that ssh+rsync is much more stronger, but files itself still not yet protected - fs endpoint will contain plain stuff
[14:50] <CeilingKitten> surg66, thats my unpatented future home security plan >.>, make it voice activated with "open the door" or "we're coming in" lol, you could tell it to wipe the drives moments before too
[14:51] <sysx1000> geez, cpu bottleneck on reads and writes ;)
[14:52] <sysx1000> that should be petrol soldering torch, remotely controlled by Pi. Instant mechanical suicide of Pi ;)
[14:52] <surg66> (and destruction of office)
[14:52] <surg66> (possibly)
[14:52] <CeilingKitten> sysx1000, i am lacking in terminology, the disk would be responsible for reads and writes but the CPU would be tapping out, since there is no hardware support for AES, that's my understanding and everyone else using truecrypt on the pi complained it was sloooow. I mean go ahead and try and tweak, etc,. =] it'll be slow but if its not some central hub for others and jsut personal use it might be fine. preferrably with smaller
[14:52] <CeilingKitten> files
[14:53] <sysx1000> It sounds like a good idea ;)
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[14:53] <sysx1000> CeilingKitten: there is no binaries of TrueCrypt for ARM
[14:54] <sysx1000> OK, maybe LUKS stuff
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[14:54] <surg66> it'll mainly be text files, so no biggies
[14:55] <sysx1000> Anyway, without CPU support for AES… Hour of intensive IO and you don't need petrol soldering forch ;)
[14:56] <CeilingKitten> give it a try then surg66 =), but if you are worried about files being stolen impliment something secure, anyone with the btsync url can cut and paste it to numerous devices or transfer it to others to steal your files instantly
[14:56] <CeilingKitten> sysx1000, there may not be arm binaries but i believe they have been compiled
[14:58] <surg66> i'll see how it goes then
[14:58] <CeilingKitten> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8224157/public/truecrypt/index.html
[14:58] <CeilingKitten> here is a script/plugin to mount truecrypt volumes in openelec, including a copy for the pi,
[14:59] <surg66> thanks
[14:59] <CeilingKitten> Goodluck =]
[15:00] <CeilingKitten> May the laser idea inspire you to create soemthing, neat that i'm not liable for, and won't get you time in jail
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[15:00] <surg66> once i get my files encrypted i'll start drafting up ideas...
[15:00] <sysx1000> Laser is a good idea
[15:01] <sysx1000> But I suppose, power would be increased up to 50W
[15:01] <CeilingKitten> lol maybe head tracking, and a usb ner launcher would be more appropriate
[15:01] <sysx1000> That will be enough
[15:01] <sysx1000> (to punch deep hole in concrete wall)
[15:01] <CeilingKitten> sysx1000, a 1W would be small and sufficient to cause permanent damage it can burn skin too slowly but surely
[15:02] <CeilingKitten> >_<
[15:02] <CeilingKitten> 50w is overkill, maybe you need a space station for that one lol
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[15:10] <MrSparkle> setup that burning desk thing in death note
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[15:30] <hifi> has people set up raspbian with encrypted root?
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[16:07] <CeilingKitten> hifi, i dont think anyone has done encrypted root yet =| or encrypted home directories
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[18:06] <MrSparkle> encrypt the os partition with truecrypt? seems like that would count
[18:09] <rela> 55°C on my raspberry :(
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[18:28] <surg66> rela: whats kinda range should they be running in? mine is at 52°C
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[18:40] <MrSparkle> how well does the pi's arm cpu throttle due to heat?
[18:41] <MrSparkle> assuming it does, don't need to worry too much
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[18:46] <rela> surg66: i think everything below 60 is just fine
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[18:46] <surg66> thanks
[18:46] <rela> i have got a heatsink on it but it does not help much ;)
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[18:47] <rela> surg66: i even have seen pages that said the maximum temp is 80°C for the rpi
[18:47] <surg66> :o
[18:48] <rela> my
[18:48] <rela> my pi does not do much
[18:48] <rela> and i do not get updates for about 2 weeks now
[18:48] <rela> is that normal?
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[19:06] <IooNag> hi, after a Raspbian upgrade, I got many error in apt-get like: /sbin/ldconfig: 1: /sbin/ldconfig: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
[19:07] <IooNag> I haven't found anything interesting on the web, any ideas?
[19:08] <IooNag> also, my bash is broken (segfault), strace tells "/usr/bin/strace: 1: /usr/bin/strace: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")" but zsh and dash are still working fine
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[19:09] <IooNag> (and /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi)
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[19:09] <plugwash> smells like SD card corruption :(
[19:10] <plugwash> you might want to try apt-get install --reinstall libc-bin bash
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[19:12] <IooNag> Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/b/bash/bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1_armhf.deb rename failed, Input/output error (/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1_armhf.deb -> /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1_armhf.deb).
[19:13] <IooNag> that smells bad...
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[19:17] <IooNag> http://pastebin.com/XyHAUvAa
[19:22] <IooNag> ok... dmesg states:
[19:22] <IooNag> [ 4284.875104] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): htree_dirblock_to_tree:861: inode #20: block 65581: comm zsh: bad entry in directory: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=0(28672), inode=65569261, rec_len=151, name_len=0
[19:22] <IooNag> so, SD card corruption :(
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[19:31] <plugwash> You could force a filesystem check on the next reboot by doing "sudo touch /forcefsck" and try to fix things up from there
[19:31] <plugwash> whether it's worth the effort though is another matter
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[19:42] <IooNag> after a reboot the system seems fine. Now, I'll run the fsck. Thanks !
[19:43] <IooNag> ("the system seems fine" = bash is working, ...)
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[21:39] <cae_> Hi. Where can I find PGP signatures for the Raspbian images? Do they exist at all?
[21:52] <plugwash> not that i'm aware of.........
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[22:03] <cae_> plugwash: how can I then be sure that my download (or more likely, the website I got the link from) hasn't been replaced with a fake one?
[22:04] <hifi> you can find the hash of the image from multiple places
[22:04] <hifi> and compare that with the file you downloaded
[22:04] <plugwash> well for the download itself you can compare checksums but if the website that gave you the download link and checksum is compromised there isn't really much you can do
[22:06] <cae_> yeah, thus I'm asking for PGP signatures
[22:07] <cae_> if someone from the project guys reads this, consider to provide signatures, at least for the non-free blobs included in the image
[22:08] <plugwash> of course with pgp signatures you have to know that the key used to sign it is legitimate and non-compromised..........
[22:11] <cae_> plugwash: yeah, to be absolutly sure I'd need to travel to the signer, but with the "web of trust" concept, I can say "it's enough if I know A and A knows B and B knows the signer"
[22:13] * plugwash wonders if the raspberry pi foundation (who build the most widely used images) even have keys that are in the web of trust
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[22:14] <plugwash> (I do have such a key because i'm a dd)
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[22:16] <hifi> good thing I didn't completely bash debian then
[22:20] <plugwash> what were you going to bash debian about?
[22:22] <plugwash> so other than me is there anyone here who has a gpg key in the web of trust?
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[22:29] <hifi> it blew on me once because mostly my own mistake and because some weird circular dependency apt was bricked
[22:30] <hifi> after that I switched to fedora, until it lets me down
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[22:31] <cae_> hifi: could have been caused by foreign repositories with broken depencies/versions
[22:31] <hifi> no, it was multiarch that blew up
[22:32] <hifi> somehow it got to a point where it suggested removing my 64 bit libc and as I don't always read the install/remove list carefully I let it do that
[22:32] <hifi> and after that it was impossible to reinstall it
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[22:33] <cae_> yeah, a lack of libc is somehow not good
[22:33] <hifi> it was completely bricked, I tried many different ways to solve the issue but I had very little room as I couldn't use any binaries on my system
[22:34] <hifi> extracting it manually temporarily solved my whole system being unusable but apt didn't really like that
[22:35] <hifi> or to be more exact dpkg
[22:36] <BManojlovic> hehe
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[22:36] <BManojlovic> doing cp libc.so.6.net to libc.so.6 will do that kind of magic too :]
[22:36] <BManojlovic> net=new
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[22:38] <hifi> it's probably back to debian when fedora takes the plunge
[22:38] <hifi> don't really trust others than the two biggest upstreams
[22:38] <hifi> unnecessary clutter
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[22:54] * plugwash does some googling and notices that hifi seems to have a profile on launchpad
[22:56] <plugwash> and said profile lists a pgp key but said pgp key has no connections to the web of trust
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[22:57] <gregoa> plugwash: you can look at my key if you need one that's well connected in the WoT :)
[22:58] <plugwash> yeah, you are a dd too though...............
[22:59] <plugwash> what I was really wondering was whether anyone here who wasn't a debian/ubuntu dev was in the web of trust
[22:59] <gregoa> good question. my impression is that gpg is used much less outside debian/ubuntu. although OTOH there are always tons of people at the KSPs at FOSDEM
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[23:02] * plugwash looks up your key and finds it's only two hops to/from his
[23:02] <gregoa> surprise :)
[23:03] <gregoa> sledge (and zumbi, depending on the direction)
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[23:05] <plugwash> yeah, it seems zumbi signed you but you didn't sign him
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[23:08] <gregoa> weird, but yes, that's how it looks like. probably some overlap in key transitions in 2009 (which we both did apparently)
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[23:11] <plugwash> also such things sometimes happen when one person doesn't have ID on them (that is why I have sigs from codehelp while he doesn't have one from me)
[23:12] <gregoa> true but zumbi and me know each other long enough for not needing to re-check IDs :)
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