#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-08-13

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[0:47] <Motogeek> ?
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[9:07] <GuySoft> are the mirrors down?
[9:07] <hifi> nope
[9:08] <hifi> if *all* of the mirrors are down then I would suggest looking for shelter
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[9:49] <GuySoft> i am getting 404 here when using mirrordirector.rapbian.org
[9:50] <hifi> can you wget -O - http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/ and see where it is forwarded to
[9:50] <hifi> that mirror should be reported to raspbian mirror administrators to either request the admin to fix it or to remove it from the list
[9:53] <hifi> actually now it doesn't redirect me anymore
[9:56] <hifi> curl -sI http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/0/0ad-data/0ad-data-common_0.0.13-1_all.deb
[9:56] <hifi> that will actually work to print the mirror
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[10:16] <nullie> Hi. Where can I find raspbian kernel config (without running raspbian)?
[10:17] <hifi> what do you mean?
[10:17] <hifi> the config is in the kernel source package, the best one you can currently get is in linux-3.6 packages
[10:17] <hifi> if you mean build config
[10:18] <hifi> it reflects the best practices, where 3.2 kernel is rather broken and 3.10 kernel is also quite broken
[10:21] <nullie> thanks
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[12:13] <baswazz_> i need to add a repository: https://launchpad.net/~oscam/+archive/ppa
[12:13] <baswazz_> sudo is not enough to add a repository
[12:13] <baswazz_> so i added them manually
[12:13] <baswazz_> but it wont let me add the PGP key
[12:14] <baswazz_> i followed the instructions on the above link for squeeze/weezy systems
[12:14] <baswazz_> can anyone help me out?
[12:17] <baswazz_> ahh got it sudo su it did not work first time:(
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[12:26] <nullie> what error do you get on what command?
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[12:36] <SirLagz> hifi
[12:38] <hifi> yes?
[12:39] <SirLagz> the netinstall didn't boot
[12:40] <Space_Man> talk to it nicely and try again
[12:40] <SirLagz> i did
[12:40] <hifi> SirLagz: how so?
[12:40] <SirLagz> i've been petting it, stroking it
[12:41] <hifi> did you see what it did when it was installing
[12:41] <SirLagz> hifi: console just sits on Starting openssh server
[12:41] <SirLagz> then stops
[12:41] <SirLagz> no console loign
[12:41] <SirLagz> login*
[12:41] <hifi> did you install the kernel package DURING installation?
[12:41] <hifi> or something
[12:41] <hifi> or do anything funky with the kernel image
[12:41] <hifi> because that only happens with old raspbian kernel
[12:41] <SirLagz> nope...
[12:41] <hifi> I thought I built the installer with latest raspbian kernel
[12:42] <hifi> I'm quite sure I did
[12:42] <hifi> but it didn't actually "not boot"
[12:42] <hifi> you can ssh in when it gets stuck there
[12:42] <hifi> it's because devtmpfs isn't mounted
[12:42] <SirLagz> ah...it doesn't have a network cable atm.
[12:42] <hifi> it can't get a TTY when /dev/tty* do not exist
[12:42] <SirLagz> ah
[12:42] <SirLagz> true
[12:42] <SirLagz> well. bugger.
[12:43] <hifi> but that's really odd why it would do that with the image I gave you because it was supposed to be rpi6 revision kernel
[12:43] <hifi> which has devtmpfs mounting enabled
[12:43] <SirLagz> maybe I'll try and reinstall it and see what happens
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[12:43] <hifi> though if you just want to use the image plug in your ethernet cable and install the kernel package
[12:43] <hifi> or install udev package
[12:43] <hifi> udev will create those device files
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[12:45] <hifi> I need to retest with the image you have, can you give me the image name just for comparison?
[12:45] <SirLagz> sure
[12:45] <SirLagz> lemme grab my lappie. lol
[12:46] <hifi> it definitely shouldn't do that with the latest kernel, though, if I used a raspbian mirror rather than archive.raspbian.org to build that it explains if the mirror was outdated
[12:46] <hifi> or the jessie release still had rpi5
[12:46] <hifi> err, rpi4
[12:46] <hifi> wait, rpi6
[12:46] <hifi> the latest is rpi6, I'm quite sure I built the one with rpi5, bummer
[12:47] <SirLagz> hrmm....my laptop seems to have died.
[12:47] <hifi> I can build you a new image in 2 hours
[12:47] <SirLagz> gimme a tick.
[12:47] <SirLagz> i'll see if i can give the lappie a nudge to get it going
[12:48] <hifi> but overall your install is still fine if you ssh in and install udev
[12:48] <hifi> the only difference is the kernel configuration the latest kernel had
[12:48] <SirLagz> kk
[12:48] <SirLagz> lol...i plugged in the ethernet cable, rebooted, and now I can login to the console
[12:49] <hifi> hum
[12:49] <hifi> it might actually be openntpd getting stuck for quite some time
[12:49] <hifi> if you had no ethernet
[12:49] <SirLagz> ah
[12:49] <SirLagz> maybe
[12:50] <SirLagz> whats the default un/pw ?
[12:50] <hifi> root/raspbian
[12:50] <SirLagz> mmm 284megs of space usage lol
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[13:07] <ZIPY> or pi/raspbian
[13:08] <SirLagz> ZIPY: this is for hifis net installer
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[13:13] <ZIPY> what is hifis?
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[13:15] <SirLagz> ZIPY: This --> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=50310
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[14:11] <SirLagz> woooo kernel panicked...again
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[14:17] <baswazz_> anyone know how to setup oscam on a raspberry pi
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[14:41] <faLUCE> hello. I downloaded a prebuilt image from here: http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc raspbian-xbmc-20130704.img. but it seems that it doesn't have a desktop. it has only xbmc... what I miss? are there images with desktopv + xbmc ?
[14:41] <gnarface> faLUCE: you could just install a desktop maybe?
[14:42] <gnarface> faLUCE: probably easier than doing a whole reinstall
[14:42] <faLUCE> gnarface: I'm searching for an image that contains both a desktop and xbmc
[14:42] <gnarface> faLUCE: i got nothing, sorry
[14:43] <gnarface> faLUCE: i'm just pointing out its a trivial thing to create yourself
[14:43] <faLUCE> gnarface: ok, but I wonder if are there images with already that stuff
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[16:27] -mist- [Global Notice] Please note that emails from services (nickserv etc..) are currently unavailable. ETA to their return is approx 1-2 hours. During this downtime, new registration emails will fail, and password resets cannot be issued.
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[17:47] <yoshbu> why does running tightvnc with :1 end up being advertised on port 5091?
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[17:48] <Odie_> I would think you can force it to another port if you like it that way?
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[17:53] <de> Hi everyone!
[17:55] <de> I want to build a storage server connected to à USB 3 external hard drive ( compatible with USB 2)
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[17:56] <de> Would it be reasonable to do it using à raspberry pi ?
[17:57] <Odie_> I think speed is the only issue you might have
[17:58] <de> Yep limited by the USB 2
[17:59] <Odie_> not sure of the raspberry if you would get the full speed to 100M network with it
[17:59] <Odie_> but I dont see any reason why it wouldnt work
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[18:00] <de> It is not for something big, just a small office of 4-5 people not using it at the same time
[18:00] <Odie_> depends 100% on the planned usage
[18:01] <Odie_> it can work perfectly
[18:01] <Odie_> I have no personal experience on setup like that, but I dont foresee any other problems besides potential performance issues which may not be issues at all with your application
[18:02] <de> But im just assuring that the limit wont come from the PI ?
[18:02] <de> Okay
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[18:02] <Odie_> it might
[18:03] <de> Im planning on using node.js
[18:03] <Odie_> but this performance thing should be easy to test
[18:03] <Odie_> just slap it together and see if its good enough
[18:04] <de> Is there another way better than node for file writing
[18:04] <Odie_> eerrm?
[18:04] <Odie_> whats the idea again?
[18:04] <de> Yep but i didnt bought it yet
[18:05] <Odie_> if you plant to share disks to windows clients, use samba
[18:05] <Odie_> for linux clients use nfs
[18:06] <Odie_> if you want to use it with some http frontend, then someone else knows it better than I do
[18:08] <de> Im also checking out SparkleShare for doing a dropbox like
[18:08] <Odie_> for me storage = filesystem access via network protocol
[18:08] <Odie_> for you it seems to be something else :)
[18:09] <de> No its the same thing that i see
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[18:11] <de> But it is for secretaries (i dont of this can be said on english) so im looking the more easy way do it
[18:12] <Odie_> the drive is easiest way of doing it
[18:12] <Odie_> you need to setup it once
[18:12] <Odie_> and then just tell them to save documents to "Z:\"
[18:13] <Odie_> (eg. samba)
[18:13] <de> Ah yes thats exactly the way im looking for
[18:14] <de> But In what protocol does samba communicate to my node.js backend ?
[18:14] <Odie_> öh
[18:15] <Odie_> samba supports the native windows network filesharing thingy
[18:15] <Odie_> so you install samba (smbd) to raspbian, configure it and map the network drive from the windows clients to it
[18:15] <Odie_> google samba howto
[18:16] <de> Yep ill see in the net for that. Thanks.
[18:17] <de> But what is the speed of read/write throught USB 2 ? Around 50 mb/s?
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[18:18] <Odie_> note that also the network traffic goes through the same usb interface
[18:18] <Odie_> (iirc)
[18:18] <de> Ouch
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[18:22] <Odie_> I connected my usb3 hdd to raspberry, dd says: 31,9 MB/s
[18:22] <de> Ah okay so it is not thaaaat bad ^^
[18:22] -mist- [Global Notice] Services emails should now be working as normal, thanks.
[18:23] <Odie_> but thats withtout network traffic
[18:23] <de> Ah
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[18:25] <de> Okay so ill see by myself
[18:26] <de> With git it can lower the number of file to send so the averall speed
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[18:26] <de> Anyway. Thanks. Have a good day.
[18:30] <Odie_> lets see, I got samba working on my raspberry
[18:32] <Odie_> maybe around 10MB/s
[18:33] <Odie_> so looks like close to max speed allowed by the ethernet
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[18:41] <StathisA> hello, i'm trying to install the latest transmission using "apt-get install transmission" but i always end up having an old version...why is that?
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[18:42] <Odie_> you are sure there is newer version of the debian package avaialable?
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[18:43] <Odie_> debian is known for not been always up to date with the software packages
[18:43] <StathisA> well...the site has v2.82...i get smth like 2.5x
[18:44] <StathisA> transmission site that is...
[18:45] <plugwash> because once a debian release (and hence the corresponding raspbian release) is frozen (happens some time before release) only security fixes and major bugfixes are generally accepted, this applies even more so after it's actually released.
[18:45] <plugwash> if you want a more recent transmission it's available in raspbian jessie, of course the usual disclaimer applies, if it breaks you keep the peices
[18:46] <StathisA> fair enough...how to i install that one? any instructions?
[18:46] <StathisA> tbh mine works ok, just ignoring files on the "watched" folder
[18:46] <StathisA> so i want to try a newer version to fix that
[18:48] <plugwash> well you can change your sources.list to jessie and then apt-get install it. It may bring in other bits from jessie as well though. Mixing releases may or may not work properly. You can of course also upgrade your whole system to jessie if you are feeling adventerous.
[18:49] <plugwash> there is also apt pinning which you can use to give you a bit more control over what you pull from each release, there are a few hints at http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=47944
[18:49] <StathisA> ok thanks for the leads...i'll see how adventurous i'll get in the process :-P
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[19:45] <CrazyGadget> I have a raspberry pi and I'm running raspian, but on startup, it's saying that the root file system does not have enogh free space, and when i try to use startx, it just goes to a black screen. Can anyone please help me?
[19:48] <plugwash> how exactly did you install raspbian? foundation image? some other image? if you used an image did you expand the root filesystem after installing it?
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[20:02] <demure> ^
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[20:34] <zombieman> hello this is off catagory but i have 3 hdtvs and a hdmi projector(vga/rca) whats my best chance to hook each of these to the same pc
[20:35] <zombieman> at the smoke shop i work at he wants all the tvs hooked together like a shared desktop so he can play music and movies on each of them
[20:36] <plugwash> does he want the TVs all displaying the same thing? or different things on each?
[20:36] <zombieman> diffrent
[20:36] <plugwash> Does the PC already exist? if so does it's motherboard have slots for more than one graphics card?
[20:36] <zombieman> im having dificaly figureing it out
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[20:40] <michaelzombieman> sorry computer died
[20:40] <michaelzombieman> im back
[20:41] <michaelzombieman> the pc does not exsist yet
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[20:44] <plugwash> I'd be looking for a motherboard with two PCIe x16 slots then two identical graphics cards with two outputs each
[20:45] <plugwash> it may also be possible to use one graphics card with lots of outputs but I think you have to go a long way up the range to find that
[20:46] <plugwash> (when I say x16 slots I mean x16 physical, it doesn't really matter if they are only x8 or x4 electrical unless you plan to game on the thing)
[20:46] <plugwash> (and probally not all that much even if you do)
[20:46] <Weeman819> hey guys
[20:47] <plugwash> hi
[20:47] <Weeman819> just wondering what's the proper way to terminate pifm?
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[20:47] <Weeman819> as normally i ctrl c it but it doesn't release the signal
[20:50] <michaelzombieman> thanks
[20:50] <michaelzombieman> so they have to be the same cards right
[20:52] <plugwash> AIUI they don't strictly have to be identical but having them identical means you are less likely to have problems
[20:53] <michaelzombieman> ususally when i add a craphics card only one works at a time then a gain i tryed using the motherboard one with a pcie one
[20:53] * plugwash has never heard of pifm
[20:54] <plugwash> a lot of motherboards don't support using the onboard at the same time as an add-in card and those that do support it often require bios changes first
[20:54] <michaelzombieman> pifm is a fm broadcaster if im right
[20:55] <Weeman819> yea
[20:55] <Weeman819> it's neat :P
[20:56] <michaelzombieman> thats probly why well im off to ebay to look for a card with hdmi dvi(with dvi to hdmi addapter) and vga
[20:56] <michaelzombieman> that should do it right?
[20:57] <Weeman819> you could look into a hdmi splitter or something
[20:59] <Weeman819> something like this http://www.amazon.com/Systems-HDMI-DA2-Output-Distribution-Amplifier/dp/B001DTRNA2/ref=pd_sim_e_1
[20:59] <michaelzombieman> i think a hdmi i need them to be shared like external desktop splitter would coppy the outputs
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[21:03] <michaelzombieman> is there such thing as a pc usb to hdmi or rca adapter? boardcast your desktop over rca
[21:05] <Odie_> those are called usb-gfx cards
[21:05] <Odie_> or usb display adapters
[21:06] <Odie_> like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/plugable/dp/B007L6NYAO?gclid=CInUsdup-7gCFbGXcAodHBkADA
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[21:07] <Odie_> and I have 0 idea on how well those are supported on linux/raspbian
[21:07] <michaelzombieman> maybe 3 of those are better then buing a whole computer with 2 cards
[21:08] <Odie_> I'd guess it depends a lot on what you mean "better"
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[21:09] <michaelzombieman> price
[21:09] <Odie_> I think experts use term "cheaper" instead
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[21:13] <plugwash> my suspiscion is they would be fine for mostly static displays but not usable for video
[21:13] <Odie_> with usb3 (on a device that supports that) might be interesting too
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[21:17] <Odie_> ugh
[21:18] <Odie_> I'm reading those reviews on amazon.co.uk and it makes my heart hurt. For example blueray copyrighted movies wont show up on the device :)
[21:18] <Odie_> microsoft is afraid that someone would listen in on usb connection and copy the movie from there
[21:18] <Odie_> ...
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[21:27] <taza> Yeah, a lot of hardware today is built around the frankly stupid idea of "if we can keep people from copying it, it won't get pirated"
[21:28] <taza> Issue is, only one pirate needs to copy it, and there has never been an effective form of DRM
[21:28] <michaelzombieman> fullscreen video recorder
[21:29] <michaelzombieman> oh so you cant download becasue of drm watch it and record it insted makes me laugh
[21:29] <taza> Well, that's not exactly a good idea as far as quality is concerned
[21:29] <michaelzombieman> why would quality not be that good
[21:32] <taza> I'm not sure explaining it would be worth the time
[21:32] <taza> The problem is uncompressed video takes a whole lot of space
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[21:37] <taza> ... on one hand, teaching people things is a good thing. On the other hand, explaining double compression is time-consuming. On the third hand, he just quit anyway.
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[21:42] <MrSparkle> it wouldn't be that bad
[21:43] <MrSparkle> especially compared to camcorder theater recordings
[21:44] <taza> Yeah, but given that their protection is never staying intact for long, it's an unnecessary loss of quality
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[21:48] <taza> Trying to copy-protect non-interactive media is like trying to bail out a boat with a sieve.
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