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[0:00] <fordcars> hehe
[0:01] <Stevie-O> you want something hehe-worthy?
[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Stevie-O, this thread http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=52354#p402729
[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> See if this works maybe http://sourceforge.net/p/rpiqemuwindows/wiki/Home/
[0:01] <Stevie-O> use qemu-system-i386 to boot windows and expose the main machine's hard drive directly into it. Then, use qemu-system-i386 inside the Windows VM, giving it that same hard drive, and use it to boot the containing system
[0:02] <Stevie-O> ShiftPlusOne: I am still downloading that file from when you first suggested it :)
[0:02] <Stevie-O> When it finishes, I'll let you know how it went
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
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[0:04] <Stevie-O> wait, which is the debian arch that works unmodified (if inefficiently) on RPi?
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guessing it would be a very old raspbian or debian image
[0:05] <Stevie-O> no, there's a debian arch that works out-of-the-box
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> just stock debian
[0:05] <Stevie-O> but it's built for an older, less capable CPU, so it's not as good as raspbian
[0:05] <Stevie-O> 'softfp'
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Doesn't that also have the ld.so.preload thing?
[0:06] <Stevie-O> armel
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you talking about the official debian debian or the foundation debian image?
[0:06] <Stevie-O> uh
[0:06] <Stevie-O> I'm not sure anymore
[0:06] <Stevie-O> what's the ld.so.preload deal, anyway
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> As far as I understand it, it replaces some common routines like memcpy with pi optimized versions and speeds things up that way.
[0:07] <Stevie-O> okay, but that shouldn't prevent it from booting
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> No, it still boots, it just messes things up later
[0:08] <Stevie-O> oic, unless qemu doesn't emulate those "optimized" versions correctly
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> it doesn't
[0:08] <Stevie-O> there's the gap, okay
[0:08] <Stevie-O> so it's a bug in qemu, really
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[0:09] <plugwash> AIUI the optimised memory copy routines are using anything Pi specific just generic arm asm
[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> plugwash, so why does it bork up qemu?
[0:09] <plugwash> dunno
[0:10] <Stevie-O> well, if the emulation has bugs, that will do it
[0:10] <Stevie-O> Or
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[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Torlus' version of qemu doesn't seem to struggle with it though
[0:10] <Stevie-O> I don't know who that is
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/Torlus/qemu-rpi
[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't have luck compiling it for windows, but I think he has fixed the problem I was having. It's a work in progress though, so there are important bits missing.
[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Stevie-O, anyway, if you figure this out, please do let me know.
[0:11] <Stevie-O> ah
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[0:13] <Stevie-O> gah
[0:14] <Stevie-O> where on a debian install cd is the stupid kernel command line
[0:15] <Stevie-O> shift, should I be able to convince qemu-system-X to give some sort of help or diagnostic output?
[0:17] <ShiftPlusOne> No idea. I know you can use gdb to connect to qemu (look up GDB-stub), but I am not sure if it will work in this case.
[0:18] <Stevie-O> who built this qemu version you linked to, anyway
[0:19] <Stevie-O> qemu.weilnetz.de
[0:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Someone linked it in the comments as a working build, but go figure.
[0:20] <Stevie-O> well
[0:20] <Stevie-O> I'm trying to have it just boot a freaking Debian install CD, for i386, nothing special
[0:20] <ShiftPlusOne> prior to that, I linked to http://lassauge.free.fr/qemu/ I think
[0:20] <Stevie-O> and it doesn't run at all
[0:21] <Stevie-O> no output whatsoever, exit code is 0
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure if the http://lassauge.free.fr/qemu/ builds even include ARM anymore =/
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[0:22] <Stevie-O> that qemu.zip you linked earlier is halfway done
[0:22] <Stevie-O> :-o
[0:22] <ShiftPlusOne> So yeah... qemu on windows is a mess. Install mint in virtualbox and go from there.
[0:22] <Stevie-O> mint?
[0:22] <ShiftPlusOne> or another linux distro of choice
[0:23] <Stevie-O> ah
[0:23] <Stevie-O> interestingly enough, my favorite distro happens to be Debian
[0:23] <ShiftPlusOne> whenever I update the article, I just use virtualbox linux mint, because I have given up on windows and qemu.
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[0:23] <Stevie-O> haha
[0:24] <Stevie-O> the first linux distro I ever really used was Slackware
[0:25] <Stevie-O> which pretty much lacks (or at least, lacked) any form of package management
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I think opensuse was my first. Then ubuntu -> gentoo -> archlinux =)
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[0:27] <Stevie-O> ah, gentoo
[0:27] <Stevie-O> you ever seen the funroll-loops site?
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> >_< I have now
[0:29] <Stevie-O> it's hilarious
[0:33] <Stevie-O> how about this one: http://www.bbspot.com/news/2000/4/linux_distros.html
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[0:35] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[0:35] <Stevie-O> dear sir
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[0:36] <Stevie-O> if first unpacking to a temporary directory, and final install directory is on the same drive as the temporary one, please simply execute a move() operation instead of copying 1.88GB of data
[0:36] <Stevie-O> sincerely,
[0:36] <Stevie-O> Steve
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, it does that when you drag and drop, but not when you click extract for some reason
[0:38] <Stevie-O> ...
[0:38] <Stevie-O> that merely makes it more ridiculous
[0:38] <Stevie-O> wow
[0:38] <Stevie-O> I love having a quad-core machine :)
[0:39] <Stevie-O> qemu is pegging exactly one core at 100% and you can't even tell from the task manager icon
[0:40] <Stevie-O> so I should note: the kernel-qemu in that zip file is different from the one I downloaded from that website
[0:40] <Stevie-O> woah
[0:40] <Stevie-O> the one in the qemu.zip is only 2/3rds the size
[0:40] <ShiftPlusOne> does it boot?
[0:40] <Stevie-O> yes
[0:41] <Stevie-O> the qemu.zip you pointed me at boots
[0:41] <Stevie-O> and it's huge cuz it has EVERYTHING including the wheezy.img
[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> hm... will need to investigate how when I get time
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[0:44] <Stevie-O> gah
[0:44] <Stevie-O> how do I capture boot output?
[0:44] <Stevie-O> like, make it go to the serial port
[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> in the kernel options, put console=/dev/ttyWhatever
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[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's ttyAMA0
[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> and use -serial stdio
[0:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Again, not sure if that works the same way in windows
[0:48] <Stevie-O> important note: for reasons beyond my comprehension (certainly not technical ones), -serial stdio does not work under Windows
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[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> checked for a stdio.txt in the same folder?
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[0:49] <Stevie-O> hrm
[0:49] <Stevie-O> I have a stdout.txt
[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that one
[0:49] <Stevie-O> but I expected, you know, standard i/o
[0:49] <Stevie-O> it shows up in the shell/console
[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> If I recall correctly, SDL needs to be compiled differently for that to work
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[0:50] <Stevie-O> but qemu can just send the data to stdout
[0:50] <Stevie-O> That works on Windows just as well as it does in Linux
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> just checked, sdl need to be configured with --disable-stdio-redirect
[0:57] <Stevie-O> hrm
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[1:00] <Stevie-O> tcp serial is not working
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[1:00] <Stevie-O> another interesting thing, shift: the batch file given here only uses -m 192, not -m 256
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> shouldn't make a difference =/
[1:01] <Stevie-O> *shrug*
[1:02] <Stevie-O> in any case, that qemu.zip download seems to be functioning correctly
[1:02] <Stevie-O> it's certainly getting further than everything else I've tried :-o
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[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Stevie-O, if you have time could you try a few different kernels and also the kernel from qemu.zip with the other qemu build?
[1:03] <Stevie-O> sure
[1:03] <Stevie-O> gimme a few minutes
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[1:05] <Stevie-O> shift, do you have any idea how I can redirect boot output to the "serial port"?
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[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> which serial port? the emulated one?
[1:08] <Stevie-O> well, yes
[1:08] <Stevie-O> but the kernel in the VM doesn't know that, it's just ttyS0 there
[1:08] <Stevie-O> I tried console=ttyS0 but that did not do the trick, not completely anyway
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> console=ttyAMA0,115200 in the append options
[1:08] <Stevie-O> ah
[1:09] <Stevie-O> YAY
[1:09] <Stevie-O> thank you
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[1:11] <Stevie-O> hrm
[1:12] <Stevie-O> I broke something
[1:14] <Stevie-O> I don't suppose you have a tip on how to make a qcow2 image
[1:14] <Stevie-O> from the one I already ahve
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> use qemu-img to create the image, add the source and target drives with -hdb and -hdc, then copy the the files across
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> at least that's how I would do it
[1:17] <Stevie-O> there we go
[1:17] <Stevie-O> qemu-img convert
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> even better
[1:17] <Stevie-O> now I can boot with as many kernels and qemus as I like, and I don't have to worry about a self-modifying image from poisoning the results
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> couldn't you use -snapshot for that?
[1:20] <Stevie-O> I have no idea
[1:20] <Stevie-O> but I found an even better way
[1:20] <Stevie-O> qemu-img crate -f qcow2 -b <mainfile.img> <tempfile.img>
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[1:27] <Stevie-O> this is interesting
[1:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, I am off. Thanks for the help and testing, Stevie-O .
[1:33] <Stevie-O> one sec shift
[1:33] <Stevie-O> I have results
[1:33] <Stevie-O> http://pastebin.com/YXAwPMi7
[1:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Stevie-O, so it's the qemu build?
[1:34] <Stevie-O> the qemu build *and* the .img I downloaded
[1:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I know abou the img, that's just the ld.so.preload thing
[1:35] <Stevie-O> that happens that early on?
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> (I have a patch for windows users to fix that, it's not a big issue)
[1:35] <Stevie-O> yeah, but your patch was for an older .img file
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, well I am lazy, ok
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> =P
[1:35] <Stevie-O> I'm just saying, I couldn't use it
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> The new image doesn't have anything major in it, so I didn't see a point.
[1:36] <Stevie-O> other than the fact that: Now that they have the new image, I don't know how (or even if I can) download the old one
[1:36] <Stevie-O> but anyway, yeah, so it was qemu
[1:37] <Stevie-O> and in response to earlier: happy to help :)
[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Alright, I'll try to keep the patcher up to date. But you can get older images here downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ...404 =/
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/
[1:39] <Stevie-O> hah
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[8:26] <ea4frz> Buenas!!
[8:27] <ea4frz> Hi! ;)
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[15:33] <ZIPY> hey does someone know if xbmc under raspberry supports karaoke with mic too?
[15:33] <ZIPY> i know it works with youtube and mic and xbmc for pc but dont know about xbmc on raspberry
[15:35] <sney> xbmc is xbmc. I don't know how well it would work on the pi though
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[16:28] <gnarface> ZIPY: if your audio output is hdmi then maybe it'll work
[16:28] <gnarface> ZIPY: otherwise you'd need the mic jack for audio out so...
[16:28] <gnarface> ZIPY: ... no go.
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[18:35] <jrk_> Hello. I wrote simple program in C using WiringPi library and want it to run at system startup. I added it to text file with line "@reboot root /opt/my_prog" in /etc/cron.d/ directory but it doesn't work.
[18:40] <plugwash> Can someone ipv6 access check they can ping 2001:41c9:1:3ce::10 and 2001:41c9:1:3ce::11
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[18:47] <Meractik> hi everyone, XBMC & Raspbian newbie here, I have setup my pi as a little HTPC and notice through some recent updates (automatic updates enabled) caching internet linked videos on my PI stutters a bit and shows errors of cache full yet buffer is very small... I have a huge 16GB HCSD card is there a way to make sure i am maximizing the cache size?
[18:47] <SwK> plugwash: it works
[18:47] <SwK> plugwash: from cogent anyway… if you try to ping that from HE it probably wont work
[18:48] <SwK> plugwash: cogent and HE are currently not routing between each other for v6
[18:48] <plugwash> Sure but there are many networks that can reach both.
[18:48] <SwK> yes
[18:48] <SwK> I'm on cogent and I can ping those from here
[18:51] * plugwash would not single home with either cogent or HE due to that peering dispute
[18:52] <plugwash> More generally if you aren't big enough to multihome you should avoid tier 1 providers and you should definately avoid wannabe tier 1 providers
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[18:54] * plugwash just tested outbound from the machine that has the IPs I just mentioned and had no trouble reaching both HE and cogent
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[19:01] <Meractik> whats the best way to expand my SD card space for use with my raspberry pi? I installed a Raspbian image with xbmc but when i take the card out of the Pi and place it in a PC it shows used space as 68MB, the SD card itself is 64GB ???
[19:02] <gnarface> Meractik: a pc can't read a formatted raspberry pi SD card
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[19:02] <gnarface> Meractik: maybe you're just seeing /boot, since that's the one partition on it thats in a windows-friendly format
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[19:06] <Meractik> gnarface, oh i see... that would explain why I can't see the video files I selected to download to media within the XBMC interface
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[19:07] <Meractik> gnarface: is there a command I can type via SSH logged into my pi with raspbian installed image to see space utilized on the card?
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> df -h
[19:08] <rela> du / -h --max-depth=1
[19:08] <rela> (per folder)
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[19:11] <gnarface> Meractik: ^^^
[19:11] <Meractik> thanks rela
[19:11] <Meractik> thx gnarface
[19:13] <gnarface> i wonder how much spam the average SD card can receive to a local Maildir before it melts a hole in it
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[19:13] <Meractik> mine just got pretty hot just being in my windows slot on my laptop, lol...
[19:14] <Meractik> can you guys also provide me with the command to see what version of raspbian OS my pi is running? its gone through several automatic updates on boot over the past months...
[19:14] <gnarface> hmm
[19:14] <gnarface> good question
[19:15] <gnarface> does this say anything useful? lsb_release -a
[19:15] <Meractik> yep
[19:15] <Meractik> thanks, says distro, description, release v (7.0) and codename
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[19:16] <gnarface> groovy
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> uname -a
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> will tell you the kernel version if nothing much else.
[19:20] <Meractik> ahh cool, thx gordonDrogon
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is Debian Wheezy version 7. cat /etc/debian_version
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> oh, looks like it's 7.1 now.
[19:20] <Meractik> uh oh
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> that usually means they've released a new install CD for standard Debian to cope with the updated packages after initial release
[19:21] <Meractik> is there a way to push update, instead of wait for it to check? usually mine checks frequently on boot and reboots itself as needed
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> then finally sudo apt-get clean
[19:22] <SwK> plugwash: i have to totally agree with you on the peering w/ tier1 (and the wannabes too) if you cant multi-home… its such a pain when they get in little arguments...
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[19:22] <Meractik> is the config.txt in the boot directory (the one accessible via windows when i put the sd card in PC) the main config file for my install, to manipulate to try to fix my cache issues with buffering of videos (internet ones)
[19:22] <plugwash> If you can't multi-home you should find yourself a nice teir 2 provider who is big enough to have multiple upstreams and peering but not so big that they risk turning into a wannabe teir 1 themselves
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> The DC I use is in the "tier 2" category...
[19:25] <SwK> we're in tier1 Central Office space, but I think we're about "tier 12" size (can you go that small)
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:27] <plugwash> "tiers" are less about size and more about how you connect to the rest of the internet. Traditionaly "tier 1" = doesn't buy transit and has free peering to reach the whole internet, "tier 2" = buys transit but also has peering of their own to reach parts of the internet "teir 3" = only buys transit
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[19:27] <plugwash> things have got muddied a bit in more recent times though by the appearance of paid peering
[19:27] <SwK> we're actually a little larger then that heh, but we are getting into that "awkward" size where things like older Juniper M series gear works but we're pushing the limits of what it can do due to ram contraints, but we're not quite big enough to have the cash laying around to run out and buy some MX80s (and we're juniper biggots)
[19:28] <gnarface> Meractik: yes
[19:29] <gnarface> Meractik: well, its the config file you set your gpu/cpu memory split in, if that's what you mean yes
[19:31] <Meractik> gnarface: im not sure what i mean... when utilizing cache within raspbian through XBMC does it use the RAM and never the SD Card? im wondering if adding some triggers to the file such as described at this link will fix my problems with videos from the web constantly buffering and pausing (by loading more cache or SD card space...) https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/pull/1388
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[19:32] <gnarface> Meractik: the format of the video is significant
[19:32] <gnarface> Meractik: basically "if its not h264 expect it to suck"
[19:33] <gnarface> Meractik: also what player are you using? by default i think the only one compiled to use the pi's video hardware right is omxplayer
[19:34] <gnarface> Meractik: and what cpu/gpu mem split ARE you using? do you know? default might be like 16MB for the gpu which wouldn't be enough for much of anything
[19:34] <Meractik> gnarface: i just bought the licenses for VC-1 and MPEG but awaiting email. I do use the default OMXPLAYER as it supports playing most and hope it will play my divx files once i input the license stuff into config.txt file
[19:35] <Meractik> gnarface: i don't know what CPU/GPU split im using, i am a newbie i basically put the image on the device went through onscreen settings set it all up but now am experiencing buffer and cache issue with playback (on wired ethernet) and had several updates over months
[19:36] <gnarface> Meractik: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt here is some documentation on the config file
[19:36] <Meractik> i got a giant 64GB SD - and my Pi is the newest rev B with 512MB cache so if i can figure out where to manipulate it or adjust to better utilize its hardware im all for it...... (I don't even use fancy theme's as I operate on barebone looks to use less memory)
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[19:37] <gnarface> Meractik: that link will tell you how to adjust it and set some other stuff like hdmi resolution
[19:37] <gnarface> Meractik: i'd recommend you give the gpu at least 128MB
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[19:38] <Meractik> hmmm
[19:38] <Meractik> looking at config.txt now, its set to 128
[19:38] <gnarface> hmmm
[19:38] <gnarface> so what format are these videos?
[19:39] <Meractik> i don't think their quite 720P their internet streams from Navi-X or IceFilms
[19:39] <gnarface> hmm
[19:39] <gnarface> that tells me nothing
[19:39] <gnarface> the output of avconv -i [filename] would tell me something useful
[19:39] <gnarface> (or ffmpeg -i [filename])
[19:40] <Meractik> they're DivX
[19:42] <gnarface> well i didn't have any trouble
[19:43] <gnarface> note omxplayer doesn't need to be run inside X
[19:43] <gnarface> you can free up some ram by not running that or a graphical login manager
[19:44] <gnarface> i was able to play mpeg4 avi files with mp3 audio just fine with omxplayer at the console
[19:45] <gnarface> they were somewhat smaller than standard def though i think
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[19:45] <gnarface> h264/aac stuff should be fine i would think though
[19:45] <gnarface> or whatever you get a key for the hardware to use
[19:45] <gnarface> i'll probably buy the mpeg2 one
[19:46] <gnarface> mpeg2 seemed to suffer the most for me on playback
[19:46] <Meractik> i bought both just to have complete compatibility
[19:47] <Meractik> question: i am looking over these settings in the config.txt url you gave and I don't see some of them presented in my config.txt file (mainly, h264_freq) **Frequency of hardware video block in MHz. Default 250 ** does that mean since I don't see it it is already set at default?
[19:48] <gnarface> Meractik: yes, but you can ignore all the overclocking stuff
[19:48] <gnarface> Meractik: that's not required
[19:49] <Meractik> im trying to accomplish the ability for internet videos pushed across the WWW via URL (HTTP/HTTPS) to buffer more of the video prior to playing so that my pi will play it all the way through without having to pause/buffer (even if it means I have to wait longer before playing...)
[19:49] <gnarface> its possible you simply don't have the bandwidth?
[19:50] <gnarface> it seems anyway like that is a player specific problem
[19:50] <gnarface> you aren't using omxplayer directly on a url are you?
[19:51] <Meractik> gnarface: absolutely, but to defeat that being an issue it could buffer more prior to playback (utilize some of the SD card maybe, or more RAM....)
[19:51] <Meractik> i don't have a problem waiting to get the results, i don't need instant playback.
[19:52] <Meractik> just don't know where, if at all I can easily manipulate said values for that default player that I use..
[19:52] <gnarface> sorry i got nothing
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[19:53] <Meractik> well i appreciate the help, perhaps you can assist helping me to figure out how to create my own image of my Raspberry Pi SD Card (for backup/restore purposes) as I am about to start messing with stuff to try to get some results...?
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, cruel :)
[20:10] <plugwash> basically i'm trying to set up a test vm for testing that stuff works for ipv6 only users
[20:10] <plugwash> but I want the vm to sit on a v4 only network
[20:10] <plugwash> therefore root needs v4 connectivity to talk to the tunnel broker
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[20:16] * gordonDrogon nods.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> no native IPv6?
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[20:20] <gnarface> Meractik: well dd will copy the whole image...
[20:20] <Meractik> gnarface: dd?
[20:20] <gnarface> Meractik: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller this might be helpful for you too, since it sounds like you've so far only tried the pre-installed image from the hardware vendor
[20:20] <Meractik> gnarface: thanks
[20:21] <gnarface> Meractik: read the man page for dd, or google it up. its not hard to use just make sure you are careful where you point it so you don't overwrite what you were trying to back up
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[20:22] <gnarface> Meractik: if you want to just back up the contents of the raspbian install itself, without backing up 64GB of mostly empty space, you might want to look into tar
[20:23] <gnarface> Meractik: tar also has a man page but its less easy to figure out, you should definitely google that one
[20:23] <vagrantc> or partimage
[20:24] <gnarface> there are probably honestly dozens of backup solutions
[20:24] <gnarface> the thing that will benefit you the most though is a familiarization with basic manipulation of archives, partitions, and filesystems
[20:25] <vagrantc> sure, it's good to know the basics
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[20:30] <Meractik> thanks guys
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[23:32] <dexta> nn
[23:45] <plugwash> <gordonDrogon> no native IPv6 <-- indeed, no native IPv6 from my ISP and while I used to have a tunnel terminating on my laptop I disabled it because it was causing too much performance loss
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