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[0:25] <Haidawe64> Going to use NOOBS to get Raspbian because that installer was flipping out
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[0:43] <Haidawe64> Anyone have experience with NOOBS?
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[1:06] <Marvin-RPi> Yep
[1:07] <Marvin-RPi> didn't get ArchLinux to work though off the NOOBS 1.2 image
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[1:12] <Marvin-RPi> If you decide only to work with Raspbian Wheezy, just use that image, not NOOBS. The only advantage you'll get from NOOBS is the recovery mode. However, if you break the OS, just start over. It doesn't take much time to rewrite the image. So, no point to have a recovery, it only takes up unnecessary SD-memory that could be of better use to you
[1:13] <PhotoJim> yes, just image the card once you finish the install, and then you have a backup.
[1:14] <Marvin-RPi> exactly
[1:16] <Marvin-RPi> before doing mayor changes, just make an image first and then implement the changes you want. Sensibility takes you a long way ;-)
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[1:20] <Marvin-RPi> after installing remember to do #sudo apt-get update & upgrade when finished setting up the image
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[2:56] <Haidawe64> I got Raspbian working perfectly on it
[2:56] <Haidawe64> The other installer may get some beef from me
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[3:19] <Haidawe64> Any good IP cam viewers for Raspbian that don't require a web server and sort of act like the foscam web interface?
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[6:35] <josvuk> Hi, friends
[6:36] <josvuk> One question about i2c. I can address one i2c device with ioctl(file,slave,addr) and than with write(file,buf,1) I can send them one command
[6:36] <josvuk> But how does this sending start and stop bits work? and how does the master get the ack/nack from the slave?
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[11:31] <vin_> hello
[11:31] <vin_> all
[11:32] <vin_> hmm?
[11:33] <vin_> anybody home?
[11:35] <vin_> how do i find other berry users in my area?
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[11:35] <vin_> hi scottie
[11:35] <vin_> hey john
[11:39] <scottie> hey :)
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[11:43] <vin_> how goes it? are you using your PI?
[11:47] <vin_> is there a more active irc for the
[11:47] <vin_> Pi?
[11:48] <hifi> #raspberrypi
[11:49] <vin_> thanks
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[14:58] <LucasCozy> hifi, Is anyone having trouble with couchdb init.d script and rapsbian ?
[14:59] <LucasCozy> My couchdb let an 'startpar' process unclosed after booting. Problably waiting for a close of STDIN or STDsomething.
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[18:23] <ajf> How come you can't install gedit? :(
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[18:28] <plugwash> Can you be more specific? what version of raspbian are you running? what error are you getting?
[18:28] <ajf> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:28] <ajf> gedit : Depends: libpeas-1.0-0 (>= 1.1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[18:28] <ajf> Depends: gir1.2-peas-1.0 but it is not going to be installed
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[18:29] <plugwash> what version of raspbian are you running? wheezy or jessie?
[18:29] <ajf> Wheezy
[18:29] <ajf> I think
[18:29] <BManojlovic> jessie?
[18:29] <ajf> Yeah, Wheezy.
[18:30] <plugwash> what happens if you try apt-get install gedit libpeas-1.0-0 gir1.2-peas-1.0
[18:32] <ajf> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:32] <ajf> libpeas-1.0-0 : Depends: libseed-gtk3-0 but it is not going to be installed
[18:34] <plugwash> apt-get install gedit libpeas-1.0-0 gir1.2-peas-1.0 libseed-gtk3-0
[18:34] <plugwash> (and keep adding packages it says "is not going to be installed" for to the command line until you get a different error
[18:35] <plugwash> then post that error here
[18:35] <plugwash> note: "is not installable" is a different error from "is not going to be installed"
[18:37] <ajf> "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[18:37] <ajf> followed that
[18:37] <ajf> hmm
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[18:41] <plugwash> ignore the misleading error message about "you have held broken packages"
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[18:42] <plugwash> if you keep adding packages that are "not going to be installed" to the command line you should eventually run into either a package that either "is not installable", a package where apt wants to install the wrong version or a conflict
[18:42] <plugwash> when that happens tell me what it is and I can advise further
[18:48] <ajf> aha
[18:48] <ajf> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:48] <ajf> libegl1-mesa : Depends: libwayland0 (= 0.85.0-2) but 1.1.0-0rpi1 is to be installed
[18:48] <ajf> libegl1-mesa-drivers : Depends: libwayland0 (= 0.85.0-2) but 1.1.0-0rpi1 is to be installed
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[18:52] <shiftplusone> jeebus... how the hell do you get from gedit to wayland >_<
[18:52] <ajf> sudo apt-get install gedit libpeas-1.0-0 gir1.2-peas-1.0 libseed-gtk3-0 gir1.2-clutter-1.0 gir1.2-cogl-1.0 gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 libclutter-1.0-0 libcogl9 libcogl-pango0 libegl1-mesa libegl1-x11 libegl1-mesa libwayland0 libegl1-mesa-drivers
[18:53] <sney> there were some weird wayland-related deps in sid recently
[18:54] <ajf> I'lll just use mate-text-editor
[18:54] <ajf> :0
[18:54] <ajf> :)
[18:55] <plugwash> looks like the raspberry pi foundation are shipping packages that break dependencies in raspbian as part of their wayland stuff
[18:55] <shiftplusone> ajf, tried geany?
[18:55] <ajf> geany?
[18:55] <shiftplusone> yup... an awesome editor
[18:55] <ajf> plugwash: oh :(
[18:56] <hifi> plugwash: their standard repo masks raspbian packages?
[18:56] <shiftplusone> ajf, it's kind of like gedit, but good.
[18:56] <ajf> huh
[18:57] <hifi> those packages are very old though
[18:57] <hifi> wayland stuff from 2012
[18:58] <ajf> yay I have gedit noq
[18:58] <ajf> *now
[18:58] <plugwash> hmm, it looks like it's not the main raspberry pi foundation repo
[18:58] <ajf> sorry, "mate-text-editor"/pluma
[18:58] <plugwash> can someone running the foundation image please post the output of apt-cache policy libwayland0
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[19:06] <plugwash> mmm, using mate-text-editor is probablly the sensible thing to do anyway
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[19:13] <ajf> shiftplusone: trying geany
[19:13] <ajf> since you like it so much :P
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[19:16] <ajf> Ah, RPi apps look so much nicer when I use the Clearlooks theme
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[19:19] <ajf> shiftplusone: Ooh, I like the built-in terminal
[19:20] <ajf> hey, it's an IDE that lets you enter your own build commands. Neat.
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[19:22] <shiftplusone> ajf, aye, and it's quite light for what it is too.
[19:25] <hifi> wait, custom build commands?
[19:26] <hifi> damn, I might just need that for some windows devs
[19:27] <ajf> ?
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[19:28] <hifi> I have a very custom project that requires custom build commands and windows devs don't really like Makefiles
[19:28] <ajf> haha
[19:28] <hifi> as it has some sort of project file support it might work well for them
[19:28] <ajf> possibly because they just don't work on windows
[19:28] <shiftplusone> Hm... maybe they should learn to deal with makefiles?
[19:29] <ajf> other make systems work though
[19:29] <ajf> cmake for example
[19:29] <hifi> shiftplusone: it's not really that, Makefiles just don't work as well as other systems on windows
[19:30] <hifi> not that easy to set up properly and maintain
[19:30] * shiftplusone shrugs
[19:30] <shiftplusone> works for me
[19:30] <shiftplusone> admittedly I don't do anything complicated.
[19:31] <hifi> imagine you're a windows dev and usually you open up a project file and it just works and builds
[19:31] <hifi> let's say in visual studio
[19:31] <shiftplusone> Sure I used to use visual studio before I discovered linux
[19:31] <hifi> then some whackjob says Makefiles are the shit and you should install mingw and use cmd.exe to build and wait you don't really use VS or any real IDE to work instead use notepad
[19:31] <shiftplusone> heh
[19:32] <hifi> they're like, dude, what's your problem
[19:32] <hifi> you linux people are mad
[19:32] <shiftplusone> though I'd say notepad++ =P
[19:32] <hifi> while it's completely natural for us to install the proper packages and we're used to use the terminal to run the build system it isn't very intuitive for windows devs
[19:33] <hifi> also because 'installing the proper packages' ain't that straightforward on windows
[19:33] <hifi> the mingw installers are horrible and do horrible things to your system
[19:34] <shiftplusone> hifi, then maybe something like codeblocks with makefiles is a better option for them?
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[19:39] <hifi> they rarely work on both linux and windows without modifications
[19:39] <hifi> anyway, gn
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