#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-09-13

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[4:03] <freq> hi
[4:03] <freq> so i just plugged in my headless pi with raspbian installed. the router issued an ip and i am trying to ssh into it.
[4:03] <freq> i tried the password raspberry and it wont connect.
[4:04] <freq> is that the correct password?
[4:06] <freq> i did not set it up with a monitor
[4:06] <hifi> what installer
[4:06] <sney> username pi, password raspberry.
[4:06] <hifi> wait, installed
[4:07] * hifi crawls back under his rock
[4:07] <sney> heh
[4:07] <sney> freq: what image did you use? the one from raspberrypi.org?
[4:07] <freq> yeah
[4:07] <sney> yep, username pi, password raspberry.
[4:07] <freq> found it
[4:08] <freq> ssh 192.168.x.x -l pi
[4:08] <freq> works :D
[4:08] <hifi> though, I must say from under my rock that if you intend to use it headless the image is very bloated
[4:08] <freq> thank you. im glad i didnt have to touch a monitor
[4:09] <PhotoJim> you can go ssh pi@x.y.z.a too
[4:09] <freq> update time1
[4:09] <freq> oh nice
[4:09] <PhotoJim> easier to remember
[4:09] <freq> this is the 4th arm device on my network
[4:09] <freq> im a bit obsessed maybe
[4:10] <PhotoJim> 2 Pis here, two SheevaPlugs (but one lives offsite)
[4:10] <freq> 2 pi's model b and 2 cubies a 1 and 2
[4:10] <freq> raspbian runs on the cubie1 and cubian on the 2 :D
[4:11] * hifi just sits quiet under his rock then
[4:11] <sney> that's neat. but shouldn't the cubie be able to run regular debian armhf?
[4:11] <freq> sney: i didnt go as far as to try
[4:13] <sney> yeah, it's armv7, so it should
[4:14] <sney> raspbian is merely a recompile of debian armhf for the raspberry pi's (older, cheaper) armv6 cpu
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[6:25] <drindt> hello, the installer of raspbian won't work here. created a new partition: "/dev/sdb1 2048 3897343 1947648 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)" but it doesn't boot. Other images on that card working properly. What can i do?
[6:28] <hifi> what is your intention of using the installer
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[6:31] <drindt> i would create my own image for prototyping an application, i need a very small fast booting system
[6:32] <hifi> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[6:33] <drindt> i have that feeling my raspberry can work with the installer
[6:33] <hifi> just use raspbian-ua-netinst, the raspbian installer is horrible
[6:33] <drindt> also removal of the bootable flag has no effect
[6:33] <drindt> hifi, thanks i will try it
[6:33] <hifi> and it suits your intentions better anyway
[6:34] <drindt> sounds great
[6:34] <drindt> all what i need is gpio function in kernel and java :)
[6:34] <hifi> should be up in under 30 minutes with your requirements
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[6:35] <hifi> quick netinstall, install openjdk, done
[6:35] <drindt> how to identify if i have the B model?
[6:35] <hifi> if you have ethernet, you have the B model
[6:35] <drindt> ok then its the B thanks
[6:37] <drindt> hifi, shall i use the prebuild sdcard image?
[6:37] <hifi> yes, that's the intention
[6:37] <hifi> depending on your operating system select what suits you the best
[6:37] <drindt> hifi, sounds like, i was to fast with my cloning :)
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[6:38] <hifi> I guess you're on linux or something as windows people don't clone that fast
[6:39] <hifi> also suggest actually reading the README, mostly "First boot"
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[6:42] <drindt> ok dd'ing it. Because zcat brings permission denied -o
[6:42] <drindt> trying the image out
[6:43] <hifi> you did unxz it first, right?
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[6:44] <drindt> i thought that zcat does for me, so i unxz'd them and dd'ing manually to card works fine, download the packages right now.
[6:45] <hifi> ok, nice
[6:45] <drindt> hifi, after first boot i can login via ssh?
[6:46] <hifi> yes, it's on the README
[6:47] <drindt> i was to fast
[6:48] <drindt> swap partition is created by default also?
[6:48] <hifi> nope, use a swap file if you need swap
[6:48] <hifi> it's easier to manage and resize than a partition
[6:48] <drindt> ah ok, i can adjust the partitions for my need later i don't want it in filesystem because of the overhead
[6:49] <drindt> or is it wise to it on such low performance system?
[6:49] <hifi> I don't really suggest swap at all if you can avoid it
[6:49] <hifi> if you have the 512MB version you might not even need it if you don't run any heavy stuff
[6:50] <drindt> i had problems running the app because its in the meantime 8M in size and got frequently oom ex's without swap
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[6:50] <drindt> the whole app needs 40seconds to startup
[6:50] <drindt> will see if the hardfload edition is faster
[6:50] <hifi> oh, you used softfloat?
[6:51] <drindt> s/fload/float
[6:51] <hifi> that's a whole different story
[6:51] <drindt> looks like that i have downloaded a wrong version before
[6:51] <hifi> "For a 2.6 Linux kernel, there is no performance difference between a swap partition and an unfragmented swap file. When a swap partition/file is enabled by swapon, the 2.6 kernel finds which disk blocks the swapfile is stored on, so that when it comes time to swap, it doesn't have to deal with the filesystem at all."
[6:52] <drindt> hifi, thanks for the information thats new to me.
[6:52] <hifi> swapfile is easier to adjust than a partition and if there is no real performance difference I don't see any reason to create a swap partition in 2013
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[6:53] <drindt> my year with LFS are over, so i newer get updated with latest new information about such internals
[6:53] <drindt> hifi, i agree with that with the info above
[6:54] <hifi> fragmentation is something that this serverfault thread talks about but on a freshly created filesystem if you create the swapfile there shouldn't be any fragmentation
[6:55] <drindt> the fragmentation is important on flash?
[6:55] <drindt> compared to mechanical drives?
[6:56] <hifi> should mean less on flash as far as I know
[6:56] <hifi> as there is no actual seek time
[6:57] <hifi> I would be more worried about the wear on the SD card swap overall does
[6:57] <hifi> and instead focus on getting the app running with stock memory
[6:58] <drindt> hifi, ack, i will see what i can do. but i have to ask you again, i see kernel boots and network light is showing me 100M but it doesn't continue with booting.
[6:59] <drindt> see just the dmesg out
[6:59] <drindt> put
[6:59] <hifi> so after installing it rebooted and got stuck?
[6:59] <hifi> that's weird considering everyone so far who have tried it has gotten it to work
[7:00] <hifi> one had an issue with broken SD card though
[7:01] <drindt> the card is used some hours in a camera. i can't understand, i disconnect all devices
[7:02] <hifi> if the installer exited with success it should boot
[7:02] <drindt> i haven't watched the screen all the time... i will do it again
[7:02] <hifi> it doesn't have very well error checking
[7:03] <drindt> it seems that it hungs in the kernel/init stuff
[7:04] <hifi> that's odd considering the installer and installed system use the exact same kernel
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[7:07] <drindt> hifi, thats just a rougly guess
[7:07] <hifi> though, if raspbian wheezy packages are broken currently then it would explain
[7:07] <hifi> I don't know if some updates have bricked net installing
[7:08] <hifi> it should take at least 10 minutes for the install process to go successfully through
[7:08] <drindt> hifi, an issue can't maybe that i connected some weird keyboard with mouse included from logitech but its hid compatible i try it without
[7:08] <hifi> yeah, you can start it without having anything attached
[7:09] <hifi> except ethernet and power and display to follow
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[7:09] <hifi> ideally it should work with just power and ethernet with dhcp
[7:10] <drindt> i saw Couldn't validate release if that is important?
[7:10] <hifi> normal
[7:11] <hifi> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS that's the install script
[7:11] <hifi> so the last thing you should ideally see is 'Finished! Rebooting to installed system.'
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[7:20] <drindt> hifi, got it, kernel says the filesystem is corrupt, i don't understand this the card is sane. i will check the card again.
[7:21] <hifi> it installs, reboots and then says the filesystem is corrupted?
[7:21] <drindt> yes
[7:22] <drindt> weird
[7:22] <hifi> do you have any other SD card?
[7:22] <drindt> i write now random data in a file and write this then to the sdcard
[7:22] <drindt> comparing the fingerprints
[7:22] <drindt> unfortunately not
[7:23] <hifi> it might not even be that the card is borked, the Pi might just not work properly with it
[7:23] <hifi> or the Pi actually broken
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[7:23] <hifi> or your power supply is not reliable
[7:23] <hifi> how do you power your Pi currently?
[7:24] <drindt> i will first check the card, i bought the pi and power supply in a box and also the pi worked since days properly
[7:24] <drindt> the power supply is a maximum 1,5A
[7:24] <drindt> its designed for pi and bundled sold to me
[7:25] <drindt> hifi, i will chck the card right now
[7:25] <th0rsten> hello I have a logitech quickcam attached to my rpi. Although I see it using lsusb there is no /dev/video0. Do I need any drivers?
[7:25] <drindt> th0rsten, 4vl normall you need so far i know
[7:26] <hifi> drindt: ah, then it should be good, though, if you have a multimeter, checking the voltage on the test points is a good thing to do
[7:26] <hifi> but it seems the issue is with the SD card
[7:26] <hifi> or something related to it
[7:26] <drindt> i'll check that now
[7:27] <hifi> you sure you don't have any other card in any other device?
[7:27] <drindt> sounds you experienced with electrical stuff
[7:27] <th0rsten> you mean v4l? apt-get does not find the package
[7:27] <hifi> minimum of 512MB is enough
[7:27] <drindt> did you ever processed serial data over the uart?
[7:27] <hifi> drindt: no, I just mimic smarter people :p
[7:27] <hifi> any unexplainable issue with pi -> check power supply
[7:28] <drindt> yes, but i that issue would happen before i've done hard things on them also with overclock
[7:28] <drindt> anyway i check the card first i have no other here right now
[7:28] <drindt> i have but they have adapters :(
[7:29] <hifi> if you have abused your pi before then I wouldn't be very surprised if the SoC is damaged
[7:30] <drindt> omg /me would just try out in quick bluecove-2.1.0
[7:30] <hifi> it isn't very durable when it comes to abuse
[7:30] <drindt> i know, i would just test it was 10 minutes
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[7:40] <drindt> hifi, backed up another card and try it with that one
[7:41] <th0rsten> I don't have a sd reader here. Can I edit /boot/config.txt on the pi so it actually saves the changes?
[7:46] <hifi> th0rsten: yes
[7:46] <hifi> though, if you screw it up, you need a card reader :)
[7:48] <th0rsten> why doesn't it save it when i edit it in nano?
[7:53] <drindt> hifi, seems really the card is the issue
[7:53] <drindt> the other one boots fine seems, but i have no signal on the screen
[7:59] <drindt> hifi, thank you very much for your help and doing also this great installer
[8:06] <hifi> drindt: np, glad you found the issue
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[8:09] <th0rsten> do I need to make /dev/video0 myself or should it be automatically there once my webcam is recognized?
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[8:12] <BManojlovic> auto
[8:12] <BManojlovic> udev should do its magic
[8:14] <th0rsten> udev?
[8:14] <hifi> udev must be installed and running though, in the very edge case of partly performed raspbian-ua-netinst udev is not installed
[8:15] <th0rsten> i see a udevd binary but I guess that is not the correct one
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[8:15] <th0rsten> sry meant executable not binary
[8:17] <th0rsten> the udev package is installed. is udevd the executable i'm looking for? There is no udev
[8:17] <hifi> it's probably already running if you have it installed
[8:18] <th0rsten> but then I should have /dev/video0 which I am missing
[8:19] <th0rsten> sry for asking a lot of probably stupid questions. Not too much experience with all this
[8:20] <th0rsten> still confusing for me that the executable should be "udev" and I only got "udevd"
[8:20] <hifi> no one said anything about any executable
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[8:23] <th0rsten> ok so I guess udev is a service running in the background. As it is installed it is most likely running but I still got no /dev/video. What else could I do to make it run?
[8:28] <hifi> try to find out how that camera would work on a debian system
[8:29] <th0rsten> I found this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO/#DEV-MANUAL However the MAKEDEV invocation is aborted due to a running udev
[8:29] <th0rsten> hmm ok that would be another approach
[8:29] <th0rsten> i'll check it
[8:29] <hifi> anything older than 2 years is probably wrong
[8:30] <hifi> that howto is around 10 years old
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[8:34] <th0rsten> don't see a /dev/video0 at my desktop either. However it works flawlessly with cheese
[8:39] <BManojlovic> th0rsten: run dmesg and see if driver catched it
[8:41] <th0rsten> dmesg tells me the webcam is detected and registered as video0. But I don't know where this video0 is located which would be helpful to access it
[8:54] <BManojlovic> in /dev/video0 :)
[8:54] <BManojlovic> do you have udevadm command
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[8:54] <BManojlovic> udevadm trigger; udevadm info /dev/video0
[8:56] <BManojlovic> this is on my laptop for example http://paste.opensuse.org/20843381
[8:57] <th0rsten> even after udevadm trigger, there is no /dev/video0/
[8:58] <drindt> how can i find out in debian which package provides which file? for example i need "bluetooth/bluetooth.h" but how to find the package which provides that file?
[8:59] <hifi> drindt: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
[8:59] <hifi> http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bluetooth%2Fbluetooth.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
[8:59] <hifi> there is probably also a Tool for that, but I usually just use the website for that
[9:05] <drindt> ok thanks that helps me further
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[9:10] <drindt> hifi, isn't it better to use the elevator=noop instead of deadline?
[9:10] <drindt> if you have os on flash
[9:11] <hifi> I'm not that familiar with all the switches nor their meanings
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[9:26] <th0rsten> sry was afk for a while and connection broke down. I still fail acquiring a symlink at /dev/video0 and would appreciate any pointers
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[9:40] <th0rsten> is it possible that I need a firmware/kernel upate?
[9:40] <th0rsten> how can I check the versions I currently have? i did apt-get update and upgrade but rpi-update refuses to connect
[9:42] <Marvin-RPi> uname -r
[9:42] <drindt> hifi, sorry for disturbing again but after your suggested update of kernel and firmware the system wont boot i just see the coloured screen.
[9:43] <drindt> i guess he cant find the kernel
[9:43] <hifi> drindt: *how* did you do that?
[9:43] <drindt> i followed your README from github
[9:43] <hifi> it shouldn't do that, from the looks of it your don't have /boot/kernel.img
[9:44] <hifi> try checking the card with a reader
[9:44] <th0rsten> Marvin-RPi: is "3.6.11+" what i want to see?
[9:44] <drindt> hifi, doing so atm can't find a kernel.img
[9:44] <Marvin-RPi> th0rsten, or look in: #nano /proc/version
[9:44] <hifi> drindt: then you probably didn't do it right
[9:45] <Marvin-RPi> th0rsten, you have the latest kernel
[9:45] <hifi> or alternatively the kernel package has changed
[9:45] <th0rsten> ok, and where can I check my firmware version?
[9:46] <hifi> drindt: the instructions tell you to copy /vmlinuz over your kernel.img, it can't cause missing kernel
[9:46] <drindt> hifi, there is a file /boot/vmlinuz-3.6-trunk-rpi containing a kernel and /vmlinuz which i should copy but cant because its a symlink and thus doesnt work on FAT32
[9:46] <hifi> drindt: it's intentional
[9:46] <drindt> so a mv vmlinuz-3.6-trunk-rpi kernel.img should do the trick?
[9:46] <hifi> the copy of symlink
[9:46] <hifi> you should copy the vmlinuz image
[9:46] <drindt> hifi, ;-)
[9:46] * drindt got it
[9:46] <hifi> I just instruct to copy the symlink because it causes a hard copy to fat32
[9:46] <Marvin-RPi> th0rsten, try #sudo apt-get install rpi-update
[9:47] <hifi> and it's neutral to the kernel version installed
[9:47] <hifi> compared to vmlinuz-3.6-trunk-rpi
[9:47] <drindt> i dont need the links in root?
[9:47] <hifi> not really
[9:47] <hifi> but I wouldn't really touch anything
[9:47] <hifi> because the packages do their own thing
[9:47] <hifi> and if something is missing/moved I'm quite sure upgrade will freak out
[9:48] <drindt> i know, but there is a lot of crap in /boot now
[9:48] <hifi> you don't need the "crap" part of the files in practice, no
[9:48] <th0rsten> rpi-update is installed. However it does not connect successfully. I already performed the troubleshooting seen here: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update Does it need proxy settings other than apt does?
[9:49] <Marvin-RPi> th0rsten, and then use #sudo rpi-update
[9:49] <th0rsten> it still tells me " Failed to download update for rpi-update"
[9:50] <Marvin-RPi> did you do a #sudo apt-get update && upgrade ?
[9:50] * drindt hopes now finally can come back to development :)
[9:50] <th0rsten> yes
[9:50] <Marvin-RPi> hmm
[9:52] <th0rsten> maybe it is a deadend anyway. But I really run out of ideas why I can't get a /dev/video0. Not that I started with much ideas to begin with
[9:52] <hifi> drindt: it's unfortunate how many issues you got hit by
[9:52] <Marvin-RPi> no, hang on
[9:53] <th0rsten> Well it states that it can't connect. But the proxy should be set and everything else like git cloning or apt work
[9:53] <Marvin-RPi> I think it's related to SSL certificates. Try # sudo apt-get install ca-certificates
[9:53] <th0rsten> I already did that. Already had the newest version
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[9:53] <Marvin-RPi> then try to do $sudo apt-get install rpi-update again
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[9:54] <th0rsten> it tells me I already have the newest version. Should i purge it and reinstall?
[9:54] <drindt> hifi, the app i mentioned needs with the new os just the half time to start up, seems that pidora dont use the hardfloat stuff
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[9:55] <Marvin-RPi> I think it's time to do a fresh install
[9:56] <Marvin-RPi> and try the rpi-update immediately to see if it works
[9:56] <hifi> rpi-update is cancer for normal users...
[9:56] <Marvin-RPi> of not, then maybe there's a firewall problem
[9:57] <th0rsten> you mean a completely fresh sd card image?
[9:57] <th0rsten> or just the package?
[9:57] <Marvin-RPi> fresh img on SD
[9:57] <hifi> though raspbian hasn't yet made using a stock kernel easy
[9:57] <Marvin-RPi> are you behind a firewall that you know off?
[9:58] <Marvin-RPi> of*
[10:00] <th0rsten> Perhaps. I'm at work right now. I know there is a proxy. Might as well be a firewall
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[10:01] <Marvin-RPi> some firewalls can be harsh on SSL connections, and yes, especially proxy firewalls
[10:01] <Marvin-RPi> the port it wants to use maybe already in use by the proxy server
[10:02] <th0rsten> Maybe I should hope my problem is not related to rpi-update. Maybe I should go to lunch and hope for an idea
[10:02] <Marvin-RPi> take your RPi home and try again. I think you will find out that you can update with no probelms
[10:02] <Marvin-RPi> *problems
[10:02] <th0rsten> Have to check if I am allowed to do that. But what my supervisor doesn't know...
[10:03] <th0rsten> Do you have any other ideas what might prevent /dev/video0 from beeing created despite the device beeing supported and recognized?
[10:03] <Marvin-RPi> please don't do that... before you know it you'll ruin your network access
[10:04] <Marvin-RPi> might be a permissions problem on the map. You tried install it as root?
[10:05] <Marvin-RPi> su - , and try it
[10:06] <th0rsten> installing what exactly? with dmesg I see the camera beeing recognized and registered as video0. I just don't get a symlink
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[10:07] <th0rsten> ah you mean the rpi-update. Let me check
[10:07] <th0rsten> the default root password is not raspberry?
[10:08] <Marvin-RPi> I only adressed the rights to install or update.
[10:08] <Marvin-RPi> are you user Pi right now?
[10:09] <th0rsten> no
[10:09] <Marvin-RPi> you made your own user?
[10:09] <Marvin-RPi> with "sub-root" rights like Pi ?
[10:09] <th0rsten> Yes
[10:10] <Marvin-RPi> try $sudo passwd root
[10:10] <Marvin-RPi> if you can change it, you're in luck
[10:11] <th0rsten> thanks it worked. rpi-update now also works
[10:11] <Marvin-RPi> wehee! Glad to be of help
[10:11] <Marvin-RPi> of some sort.... O.o
[10:12] <th0rsten> so far you have been very helpful. Still not sure if it will fix my actual problem but it is a good start
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[10:12] <Marvin-RPi> you try to install the camera for RPi ?
[10:13] <th0rsten> trying to get a webcam to work. I also got the camera module but we want a more direct access to the camera than the abstraction layer gives us
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[10:15] <th0rsten> but I just started two days ago. My first experience with the rpi. enjoyable so far. Should get one for myself although i have no idea what I could do with it
[10:15] <Marvin-RPi> I have no experience using the camera on the RPi. Unfortunately still waiting on mine to arrive. Maybe, when the time is there, i'll ask you for help ;-)
[10:16] <th0rsten> hehe. Would be glad to return the favor
[10:16] <Marvin-RPi> are you playing online games?
[10:16] <th0rsten> sometimes, but not at work ;)
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[10:17] <th0rsten> sigh. ok still no /dev/video0
[10:17] <Marvin-RPi> if you do, you should try setting up a mumble-server.
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[10:17] <Marvin-RPi> reboot?
[10:18] <th0rsten> hmm that is a good idea, although i'd prefer teamspeak
[10:18] <th0rsten> yes
[10:18] <remib> Hi. I've installed raspbian and xbmc thanks to the repo given in the wiki. But I've got a problem playing videos. Here is the result of "grep ERROR < /home/xbmc/.xbmc/temp/xbmc.log" : http://sprunge.us/GTCd. Could anyone tell what's wrong ?
[10:18] <Marvin-RPi> teamspeak is not supported on ARM chips, for the moment at least
[10:19] <Marvin-RPi> But mumble works just as well
[10:19] <th0rsten> yes mumble is also great. just haven't used it in a while
[10:20] <Marvin-RPi> and once it's running, you don't have to pay annually for a server, big plus
[10:20] <th0rsten> ok guess i'll go for lunch. An empty stomach doesn't help me eiter. Thanks again for your help
[10:20] <Marvin-RPi> no problem... now go eat and reboot RPi
[10:21] <Marvin-RPi> maybe it needs to reinitlialize the cam
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[10:38] <remib> I've looked on google; nothing. omxplayer is installed. No idea what the cause is ...
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[11:43] <th0rsten> re
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[11:43] <th0rsten> so kernel is up to date. pwc is loaded and recognizes cam. udev is running
[11:43] <th0rsten> where is that damn symlink ^^
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[11:50] <th0rsten> is it possible that the symlink i'm looking for is located in /sys/class/video4linux/ instead of /dev?
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[12:06] <BManojlovic> th0rsten: hey
[12:07] <th0rsten> hi BManojlovic. Still have my problem. unfortunately still no ideas
[12:07] <BManojlovic> th0rsten: do you have on all of your system this file find / -name v4l_id"
[12:07] <BManojlovic> that " is mistake
[12:07] <BManojlovic> i meant try finding it trough all filesystem on rpi
[12:07] <th0rsten> it is in /lib/udev
[12:08] <BManojlovic> great
[12:09] <BManojlovic> cd /lib/udev/rules.d
[12:09] <BManojlovic> and run grep video *
[12:09] <BManojlovic> it should show something like 50-udev-default.rules 60-persistent-v4l.rules
[12:10] <th0rsten> i see the persistent rules but no default
[12:10] <BManojlovic> never mind
[12:10] <BManojlovic> not really relevant
[12:10] <BManojlovic> type /lib/udev/v4l_id /dev/video0
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[12:12] <th0rsten> it seems like it finds my webcam this way. So /dev/video0 is actually working and i was worried for no reason as I just don't see it?!
[12:12] <BManojlovic> hehe no :)
[12:12] <BManojlovic> try rebooting it :)
[12:13] <BManojlovic> because i think something did not trigger udev
[12:13] <BManojlovic> i really can't say why it failed
[12:13] <BManojlovic> but that is all what udev do
[12:14] <th0rsten> hmm still no /dev/video0 :l
[12:14] <BManojlovic> in /dev/v4l
[12:15] <BManojlovic> do you have there something?
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[12:16] <th0rsten> /dev/v4l/by-id/usb-046d_08b1-video-index0
[12:17] <BManojlovic> use that
[12:17] <BManojlovic> stupid but ...
[12:17] <BManojlovic> hm
[12:17] <BManojlovic> that should be link
[12:17] <BManojlovic> what it is pointing to?
[12:17] <BManojlovic> ls -al
[12:18] <th0rsten> ../../video0
[12:18] <BManojlovic> hehe so do you have it or not ;)
[12:18] <BManojlovic> or it is lingering link?
[12:19] <th0rsten> i think i got it now :D
[12:20] <th0rsten> althoug testing it in mplayer only resulted in a black screen now
[12:20] <BManojlovic> anyway if you do not have permissions on it there is logic what to put in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[12:20] <BManojlovic> SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", GROUP="video"
[12:20] <BManojlovic> just put that into 99-v4l-permissions.rule
[12:21] <BManojlovic> and reboot or run udevadm control --reload-rules
[12:21] <BManojlovic> and udevadm trigger
[12:22] <BManojlovic> and of course... you should have group video for your user you try to use it for
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[12:27] <th0rsten> there is no 99-v4l-permissions-rules should I add it in 91-permissions-rules instead?
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[12:32] <BManojlovic> th0rsten: that is my name :)
[12:32] <BManojlovic> but you can put it and name it how ever you like
[12:32] <BManojlovic> but i think .rule or .rules
[12:35] <th0rsten> anything wrong with "mplayer tv::// -tv device=/dev/video0 -vo png -frames 1"
[12:35] <th0rsten> and thanks a lot BManojlovic
[12:36] <BManojlovic> th0rsten: sorry can't help about applications to be honest
[12:36] <BManojlovic> low level is more of my play-field ;)
[12:36] <th0rsten> hehe
[12:37] <th0rsten> you have helped enough don't worry :D
[12:37] <BManojlovic> :)
[12:37] <th0rsten> I will also google myself but maybe someone has a pointer http://paste.debian.net/39486/
[12:38] <SirLagz> th0rsten: what are you trying to do ?
[12:38] <th0rsten> grabbing a picture from my webcam using mplayer
[12:38] <SirLagz> why use mplayer ?
[12:39] <th0rsten> it is just a first step. my supervisor suggested it as he thinks if it works this way it will most likely also work with opencv
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[12:57] <th0rsten> SirLagz: which other tool(s) would you use instead?
[12:57] <th0rsten> maybe i'm doing something wrong in the usage of mplayer. No matter what I want to do with it the frames just get dropped
[12:57] <SirLagz> if you're just wanting to take a picture, i'd use uvccapture or something like that
[13:01] <th0rsten> "unable to set format: 22. Init v4L2 failed!! exit fatal"
[13:01] <th0rsten> does not look to promising either
[13:01] <SirLagz> hrmm
[13:01] <SirLagz> what webcam is this ?
[13:01] <th0rsten> logitech quickcam pro
[13:01] <SirLagz> ah
[13:02] <SirLagz> i've heard that people have issues getting those running
[13:02] <th0rsten> sry quickcam notebook pro. although probably the same issue
[13:03] <th0rsten> raspbian specific or on the pi in general?
[13:03] <SirLagz> Pi in general I believe
[13:03] <SirLagz> I could be wrong though
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[13:07] <inch> How do I get any opengles2 stuff running? Do I need X (which driver)? If not, which packages I need to install? Is there some simple demo source that I can just compile and run?
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[13:16] <th0rsten> hmm hmm yet no luck. ffmpeg and fswebcam also didn't work. /me scratches head. should maybe look for another webcam
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[13:23] <inch> Answer to myself: git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/nfz/RPIGears.git
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[13:32] <atouk> has anyone loaded coder yet?
[13:32] <th0rsten> SirLagz: thanks for the advice. Got another webcam. Works like a charm
[13:32] <BManojlovic> so all fight was for nothing ? :))
[13:32] <SirLagz> th0rsten: awesome
[13:33] <th0rsten> well at least I got what I wanted in the end :)
[13:34] <SirLagz> heh
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[13:44] <th0rsten> ok time for the weekend now. looking forward to start using opencv on the pi next week :)
[13:44] <th0rsten> thanks again for the help everybody. enjoy your weekends
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[18:49] <keyvin> Hey I am having an issue with apt-get upgrade
[18:49] <keyvin> it freezes on updating base files
[18:50] <keyvin> any idea what is up with that?
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[20:09] <Andy80> hi guys!
[20:09] <plugwash> hi
[20:10] <Andy80> do you know if there is a particular limit for USB external disks to be recognized by Raspbian?
[20:10] <PhotoJim> in size? if it works with Linux in general it ought to work with Raspbian.
[20:10] <PhotoJim> so at least 4 TB
[20:10] <Andy80> it's 2 TB
[20:11] <Andy80> but probably I just remembered why
[20:11] <Andy80> and I hope it's supported also by raspbian...
[20:11] <ShadowJK> Andy80; as long as they have a power adapter, it should be fine.
[20:11] <Andy80> the disk is formatted extfs
[20:11] <Andy80> yeah it has its own adapter
[20:12] <Andy80> apt-cache search extfs. found nothing :\
[20:12] <plugwash> I've heard of at least one person having problems with a drive over 2TB, they could only confirm it worked on windows though they didn't have an x86 linux system available to test
[20:13] <PhotoJim> plugwash: enclosures can have issues with very large disks under some OSes. compatible enclosures solve the problem.
[20:13] <PhotoJim> plugwash: there are driver workarounds under Windows that don't always work with Linux.
[20:13] <Andy80> exfat not extfs, my bad... let's try again
[20:13] <plugwash> PhotoJim, yeah I imagine it was a problem with the driver for the bridge chip but I couldn't confirm/refute that
[20:14] <PhotoJim> I'd recommend using a Linux filesystem if you're going to use the drive consistently under Linux, but that assumes you have no content to read from it as it sits.
[20:14] <PhotoJim> plugwash: I've run into the problem myself. I just bought USB 3.0 enclosures. they are all modern enough to be compatible with very large disks.
[20:14] <Andy80> there is :)
[20:14] <Andy80> let's try ;)
[20:15] <Andy80> not automatically....
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[20:18] <Andy80> ohhhhh yeah
[20:18] <Andy80> sudo mount -t exfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/iomega/
[20:18] <Andy80> :)
[20:19] <PhotoJim> cool.
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[20:21] <plugwash> using exfat-fuse?
[20:34] <Andy80> yeah
[20:34] <Andy80> now I've mounted it manually from root but I should mount it in another way I think... I need it to be rw by owncloud
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[20:35] <plugwash> yeah you probablly need some mount options or something to set which user/group the driver pretends the files belong to
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[20:43] <Andy80> the good news is that I've fixed fstab and it works...
[20:43] <Andy80> the bad news is that is sloooooow :\
[20:43] <Andy80> probably not a good idea
[20:45] <Andy80> and I'm also a bit newbie....
[20:45] <Andy80> I did think it automatically showed my files on the disk
[20:45] <Andy80> but I think it doesn't
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[20:47] <MobGod> looking for a link to see what the lastest OS is to put on this pi that my brother got for me
[20:48] <MobGod> kinda want to use it for internet surfing and streaming is that possible ?
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[21:52] <prime_> @search hattie visible learning
[21:53] <prime_> oops! sorry!
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[22:03] <short-circuit> hi there
[22:03] <short-circuit> i got a little problem
[22:04] <short-circuit> i want to copy a sd card. it's a 8gb with 4 gb unallocated at the end
[22:04] <short-circuit> how do i copy the card on a 4gb with dd?
[22:05] <short-circuit> i only got 8gb images :-/
[22:06] <short-circuit> may someone help me, or is it just impossible?
[22:06] <plugwash> you can use the count option to dd to only copy part of a device
[22:06] <plugwash> note that count is specified in terms of the block size you specify
[22:07] <short-circuit> i already have done this, but my image has a 60 mb size
[22:07] <short-circuit> seems to be a bit less for a 4gb part
[22:07] <plugwash> then you've specified the wrong value for count...................................
[22:08] <short-circuit> i used the end value of my part +1
[22:09] <plugwash> what units were you measuring the "end value" in? what block size did you specify for dd?
[22:10] <short-circuit> hold on please
[22:11] <short-circuit> i have a look
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[22:23] <gnarface> short-circuit: instead of truncating the partition and risking data loss, if you have 8GB of free space somewhere you can back up the SD card there first, then resize the partition to shrink it (make sure to fsck it first) and then write it back to the 4GB card with dd *after* its already the right size
[22:24] <gnarface> short-circuit: that's a lot more complicated but at least its not as slow as resizing the partition in-place on the 8GB SD card
[22:24] <gnarface> short-circuit: gparted is really useful for this type of thing
[22:25] <short-circuit> so i resize it with raspi config and shrink it with gparted?
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[22:25] <short-circuit> for example
[22:25] <gnarface> no you'd do both with gparted, but my example is not useful if you don't have a spare computer
[22:26] <gnarface> you're not here in this IRC channel on your pi are you?
[22:26] <gnarface> you have a desktop computer with some free space?
[22:26] <short-circuit> no sir
[22:26] <short-circuit> ^^
[22:26] <gnarface> ok
[22:26] <short-circuit> i have
[22:27] <gnarface> so you can back up the 8GB card to that
[22:27] <gnarface> in theory
[22:27] <short-circuit> done
[22:27] <gnarface> then you can resize it graphically with gparted
[22:27] <gnarface> (make sure to fsck first; gparted will probably do that automatically but make sure)
[22:27] <short-circuit> the sd card?
[22:27] <gnarface> the 8GB image of it you just backed up
[22:28] <gnarface> when it is shrunk down to 4GB on your desktop computer, you can copy it back to a 4GB card
[22:28] <short-circuit> now i understand
[22:28] <gnarface> that is known as the most proper, pedantic method
[22:28] <gnarface> other methods might work this is the safest if you're careful
[22:29] <gnarface> i'm sorry i'm not very good at explaining it apparently
[22:29] <short-circuit> your welcome. i'm not very good in understanding ^^
[22:29] <gnarface> you MAY also resize the 8GB image in-place on the SD card; that will also work but it will be much much slower
[22:30] <gnarface> so i did not recommend that
[22:30] <short-circuit> ok. so i will give it a try
[22:30] <short-circuit> thanks alot
[22:30] <gnarface> good luck ...
[22:30] <short-circuit> maybe if it went wrong i will be back ^^ thx & cu
[22:30] <gnarface> if you have lots of free space maybe you should make two copies of the original 8GB image so that if you mess one up you can go back
[22:31] <short-circuit> i do so
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