#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-09-16

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[3:06] <cleb> I'm trying to install raspbian on my model B pi. I am using the net installer from raspbian.org, copied to a 4gb Element 14 card that had raspbian pre-loaded when I got the pi. The installer freezes at the "Scanning Disks" part of the install. Console 4 shows some errors about DMA IRQ and no volume groups being found.
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[3:12] <gnarface> cleb: a partitioning error, i'd assume
[3:12] <gnarface> cleb: pastebin fdisk -l maybe?
[3:16] <cleb> So console 2 doesnt have fdisk as a valid command, but its a fat32 partition created with fdisk on ubuntu
[3:17] <gnarface> well, one large fat32 partition might work, however i thought with mine, i had to pre-create specifically the /boot and /swap partitions
[3:17] <gnarface> as well as the ext4 partition for /
[3:17] <gnarface> (/boot being the fat32 partition, but only like 75MB in size, and the swap was 256MB i think)
[3:17] <gnarface> cleb: ^^^^
[3:18] <cleb> OK, I'll give that a try.
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[4:08] <hifi> cleb: raspbian-ua-netinst
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[7:17] <BlinkyBill> I tried uninstalling all of samba and its dependancies. In the process I've done something to my package list, as I can no longer apt-get update, or anything. dpkg --configure -agives me no joy either.
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[7:20] <sinnet3000> BlinkyBill, which error?
[7:21] <BlinkyBill> so at the moment if I try and do apt-get update, I get E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[7:22] <BlinkyBill> so then if I do the dpkg command, I get...
[7:22] <BlinkyBill> dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 9248 package 'libxau6:armhf':
[7:22] <BlinkyBill> EOF during value of field `Description' (missing final newline)
[7:23] <hifi> try adding the missing newline
[7:23] <hifi> though, that looks like SD card corruption
[7:28] <BlinkyBill> yeah, I add the new line, then it finds errors in other files. Now it's "dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000' near line 0:
[7:28] <BlinkyBill> field name `���' must be followed by colon"
[7:28] <BlinkyBill> What's the diagnosis? Best to re-format the SD card and start again?
[7:28] <BlinkyBill> or possible to salvage?
[7:30] <hifi> backup the card, start over
[7:30] <hifi> usually when the dpkg database is borked it is borked
[7:30] <BlinkyBill> Arrrrrrrr, sad but ok. I've now spent that much time on it, that had I started over at the start, I'd be waaaay ahead by now.
[7:31] <hifi> what's your intended usage of the system
[7:31] <hifi> as you were removing samba
[7:32] <BlinkyBill> I use it as a XBMC device. Samba kept crashing, so tried NFS, with no joy, so was trying to dump all of the samba parts to start again.
[7:33] <BlinkyBill> now I need to figure out where the XBMC parts are to back up. I'm tired of setting it up from scratch every time I rebuild.
[7:33] <hifi> xbmc probably stores its configuration in your home directory (of the pi user)
[7:34] <hifi> as xmbc also probably runs under the pi user
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[7:34] <BlinkyBill> yap, ta. Just found the docco which says as much
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[10:05] <Ankhwatcher> Hey, I'm running raspBMC and i'm getting this error when I try to do an update http://pastebin.com/rYRGqbZA any ideas?
[10:07] <shiftplusone> Ankhwatcher, wouldn't that be a little more approporiate in #raspbmc ? It's not a standard debian distro.
[10:08] <Ankhwatcher> shiftplusone: oh so there is a #raspbmc?
[10:08] <shiftplusone> though it sounds like it would like you to enable the rpcbind service
[10:08] <Ankhwatcher> I'll give them a go
[10:08] <shiftplusone> good luck
[10:08] <Ankhwatcher> shiftplusone: read from the top
[10:09] <shiftplusone> Ankhwatcher, starting and enabling is not the same thing
[10:09] <shiftplusone> though 'already running' indicates it may be already enabled?
[10:10] <Ankhwatcher> I don't want to live in a world where it automatically turned itself on while disabled
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[10:19] <cleb> hifi: OK, thanks, I'll keep that in my notes for next time.
[10:20] <cleb> gnarface: I ended up just manually creating the partitions and copying the files from my other SD card with a minimal install. Change a few disk UUID's in fstab and off to the races
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[12:09] <beuh> Hello, is there a place where I can find doc and script about how rapsbian is build. I would like to create my own distrib.
[12:11] <shiftplusone> beuh, you mean how the foundation image is built?
[12:11] <shiftplusone> If so, https://github.com/asb/spindle
[12:12] <beuh> shiftplusone: yes, I tried with multistrap it works with debian armel but not whit armhf
[12:12] <beuh> shiftplusone: thanks for the link
[12:12] <hifi> beuh: why you want to create your own distro?
[12:12] <shiftplusone> np
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[12:13] <beuh> hifi: first to learn then, to made it on other target
[12:13] <beuh> I have a board with freescale som
[12:13] <hifi> so you actually want to port debian to another board?
[12:14] <beuh> hifi: yes
[12:14] <hifi> I think there's official debian documentation for that
[12:14] <hifi> or some debian wiki info how to build debian for unsupported soc
[12:16] <beuh> hifi: yes I find some doc on debian wiki, but I would like to see on something already working, I prefere to read scripts ;)
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[12:19] <shiftplusone> beuh, so eventually you want to rebuild all of the packages as well? O_o
[12:19] <shiftplusone> (or just use the raspbian ones?)
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[12:21] <beuh> shiftplusone: for now I don't know, I'm looking at the tools
[12:22] <beuh> and I'm wonder why official debian armhf doesn't working on raspberry
[12:22] <shiftplusone> different ARM
[12:22] <shiftplusone> pi is ARM11
[12:22] <shiftplusone> the debian one is newer
[12:22] <beuh> ok
[12:23] <shiftplusone> beuh, you may find this article relevant http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/how-two-volunteers-built-the-raspberry-pis-operating-system/
[12:23] <beuh> that's explain my kernel panic :)
[12:23] <beuh> thx
[12:25] <shiftplusone> np
[12:25] <hifi> always, first question the motives, then provide the correct answer ;)
[12:28] <shiftplusone> Idk, that attitude can be annoying sometimes (when you're the one asking the question).
[12:28] <hifi> definitely, but even you can sometimes ask a stupid question without knowing
[12:28] <hifi> ("you" in this context being anyone)
[12:28] <shiftplusone> Often do =)
[12:29] <shiftplusone> I just try not to do it in channels like ##c or ##linux D=
[12:29] <hifi> I've had to explain some hacking related questions very thoroughly before getting a straight answer
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[12:30] <hifi> first people are like "noooo" and after 15 minutes of explaining everything I get a nod
[12:31] <shiftplusone> heh
[12:31] <hifi> but I do understand why people do that because I also do that almost always when people ask something odd about raspbian
[12:31] <hifi> though I try to be a bit more discrete sometimes
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[12:33] <shiftplusone> On the other hand, there was a guy asking here and in #raspberrypi how to make an OS. I referred him to osdev resources and the Cambridge tutorial. After a lot of back and forth, it turned out that what he really wanted to do was make a backup of his sd card essentially.
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[12:33] <hifi> yup, that's why I almost always first ask what someone is trying to achieve first
[12:35] * shiftplusone is undecided on what's the best approach.
[12:36] <hifi> if you're polite enough people don't necessarily get mad at you
[12:36] <hifi> beuh asked a bit odd question and I immediately had to ask the reason behind it, he had a perfectly good explanation and he got the best possible answers based on that
[12:37] <shiftplusone> I haven't had people get mad at me... I have had me get mildly irritated at people =P (perhaps for no reason, since if I ask a question, I am asking for a favour and don't have the right to complain)
[12:38] <hifi> even if it's being a bit dick I still rather question people immediately on the spot so they will get the best possible help
[12:39] <shiftplusone> yeah, I understand the reasoning behind it (hell I asked a question before answering too)
[12:39] <hifi> true
[12:40] <hifi> it's quite rare that people who make 'how do I X?' questions really know what they are doing
[12:40] <hifi> I've seen it too many times
[12:41] <shiftplusone> I suppose
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[12:42] <hifi> having said that when I have a 'how do I X?' question and I go to some channel I haven't been before I usually include an explanation in the question itself to avoid follow ups
[12:42] <hifi> and to spare some facepalms
[12:44] <shiftplusone> Good idea, but even then, sometimes people tend to read the explanation with the mindset of "this guy is a clueless noob" and misinterpret or miss important details and you still have to go out of your way to clear things up. Or maybe I just suck at communicating, heh, I don't know.
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[12:49] <hifi> still worth doing that when you know you're asking something potentially stupid
[12:50] <shiftplusone> yup
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[12:52] <PhotoJim> well, sometimes people don't know what they really want, but the easier they make their question to understand, the higher the probability of someone actually helping them.
[12:52] <PhotoJim> it's not like people come in here, waving $20 bills for help :)
[12:53] <shiftplusone> agreed
[12:53] <hifi> I can give straight answers for $20
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[16:28] <igraltist> hi
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[16:57] <igraltist> i have packages for i386 can i installed this on the raspbian with force arch?
[16:58] <sney> no
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[16:58] <Tiller> Hey
[16:59] <sney> and even if you convinced the package to install somehow, the i386 binaries won't work on the pi
[16:59] <sney> hi.
[17:00] <Tiller> Can someone give me a hand with some wireless on raspbian ? =/ I can't get my alfa AR9271 to work. It seems that it's recognized, but no way of doing anything
[17:01] <igraltist> ok
[17:01] <sney> Tiller: ok, so that's an ath9k_htc, you probably need a firmware package
[17:02] <Tiller> I've atheros-firmware installed on it, and I changed the firmware
[17:02] <Tiller> using this one: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k_htc
[17:02] <shiftplusone> What's the error message?
[17:02] <sney> ok. so what are you trying and what result are you getting? the more details you give, the fewer times I'll have to re-ask that question
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[17:05] <Tiller> ok so, I'm trying to connect to a wireless network (yes I know, pretty obvious). I tried with wpa_supplicant, direct config, etc. nothing worked. So I used an other wireless adapter and it works fine (with network-manager) and configuration inside /etc/network/interfaces. (I'm only on SSH / CLI, I don't have any screen / x server running)
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[17:06] <Tiller> But when I plug back the alfa one, I can't connect to any network, iwlist scan doesn't work (I'll give you the error in a minute).
[17:07] <Tiller> But I can see the card via iwconfig & ifconfig
[17:07] <Tiller> Also, when I start the raspberry with the alfa card connected, I can't connect to the raspberry via SSH. I don't know if it doesn't start at all, of if the ethernet interface won't start (I've no screen to test)
[17:08] <shiftplusone> sounds like a power issue to me. Is this connected through a hub? (An error message would still be nice)
[17:08] <shiftplusone> *though a powered hub
[17:09] <Tiller> It's connected directly to the rasp. And there are no other device on the rasp
[17:09] <Tiller> Here is the dmesg : http://pastebin.com/xswRA0pw
[17:09] <Tiller> (I tried to fix the country thing, but it doesn't seem to work)
[17:10] <Tiller> iwlist scan gives: wlan0 Failed to read scan data : No such device
[17:10] <shiftplusone> ifconfig?
[17:11] <Tiller> http://pastebin.com/8PE3Bg4j
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[17:11] <shiftplusone> anything in dmesg about the device disconnecting when you didn't disconnect it?
[17:12] <Tiller> nope
[17:12] <Tiller> The dmesg I gave you if what I have right now (with the card plugged in)
[17:12] <Tiller> is*
[17:12] <shiftplusone> and there's nothing interesting since?
[17:13] <Tiller> no, nothing more
[17:13] <shiftplusone> hrpmh
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[17:14] <shiftplusone> Haven't encountered that before, sorry.
[17:14] <Tiller> shiftplusone> is there a way to know why the rasp' doesn't start with the wifi card plugged? any specific log?
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[17:15] <Tiller> (or why the ethernet / ssh doesn't work)
[17:15] <shiftplusone> That's what smells like a power issue.
[17:15] <shiftplusone> (very much so even)
[17:15] <Tiller> It may be the case, because it's a 2W wifi card
[17:15] <shiftplusone> do you have a multimeter?
[17:15] <Tiller> nope I don't,sorry
[17:16] <shiftplusone> But the part where iwlist says no such device also throws me off... so yeah, I haven't got a clue.
[17:16] <Tiller> ok :) thanks anyway
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[17:20] <gadLinux> Hi
[17:20] <plugwash> hi
[17:20] <Tiller> Hey
[17:20] <gadLinux> Is there anyone here that knows a little bit about how raspbian is compiled_
[17:20] <gadLinux> ?
[17:21] <Tiller> with a compiler? *run*
[17:21] <gadLinux> hahahaha
[17:21] <gadLinux> but what infrastructure
[17:21] <gadLinux> it's virtual machines
[17:21] <gadLinux> it's native arm processors
[17:21] <gadLinux> what?
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[17:22] <gadLinux> I'm compiling quite a bit code now
[17:22] <gadLinux> and it's crazy whatever I do
[17:22] <gadLinux> in the raspberry it takes long
[17:22] <shiftplusone> gadLinux, arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/how-two-volunteers-built-the-raspberry-pis-operating-system/
[17:22] <gadLinux> but in the QEMU it also takes a lot of time
[17:23] <gadLinux> mmm
[17:23] <gadLinux> great, let me take a look
[17:24] <gadLinux> shit, I lost this article, I'm reading arstechnica a lot!
[17:24] <gadLinux> :-(
[17:25] <plugwash> real arm hardware, not Pis though
[17:26] <gadLinux> yup!
[17:26] <plugwash> currently for raspbian wheezy we are using 8 imx53 quickstart boards while for raspbian jessie we are using a 2GB nitrogen6x and a wandboard quad
[17:26] <gadLinux> that makes sense
[17:26] <gadLinux> shiftplusone, plugwash, thank you a lot
[17:26] <shiftplusone> have fun
[17:26] <gadLinux> now I have to figure out how to compile everything hehehe
[17:26] <gadLinux> plugwash
[17:27] <gadLinux> do you compile the packages, or help to?
[17:27] <gadLinux> because you said we
[17:27] <gadLinux> "we@
[17:27] <shiftplusone> he's the man =)
[17:27] * plugwash basically runs the raspbian project at the moment
[17:27] <gadLinux> great, so this was the right place to come
[17:28] <gadLinux> hehe I didn't use much irc... And I should...
[17:28] <gadLinux> So why you don't try to do compilation with virtual machines?
[17:28] <gadLinux> it's much faster to do it with small ARM processors"
[17:28] <gadLinux> ?
[17:29] <gadLinux> 12 times article says for raspberry pis...
[17:29] <plugwash> well afaict a PC running qemu gives you the speed of a slow arm processor with the power consumption of a PC.......
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[17:29] <gadLinux> that also makes sense...hehe but you have the cost of the hardware
[17:29] <plugwash> but also we went the native route because that was what debian did and our basic principle was "do everything as similar to debian as possible"
[17:30] <gadLinux> Is there a efficient way to compile, build packages without arm hardware
[17:30] <gadLinux> I mean
[17:30] <gadLinux> crosscompile, or something similar
[17:30] <shiftplusone> crosscompiling is as good as it gets
[17:30] <plugwash> In theory cross-building is possible but the support for cross-building in debian tools is not very mature (though it is getting better)
[17:31] <shiftplusone> gadLinux, do you want to build debian packages or just compile binaries?
[17:31] <plugwash> crosscompiling is probablly a good way to go if you are building one thing over and over but I didn't consider it workable for rebuilding debian as a whole
[17:31] <sney> I saw something a while ago about a distcc setup
[17:31] <gadLinux> I tried to do it, but as you said it gives me problems that I cannot currently workaround
[17:31] <gadLinux> want to build debian packages
[17:31] <shiftplusone> ah ok, I don't know about debian.
[17:32] <gadLinux> shiftplusone, I really... don't know what's better
[17:32] <gadLinux> We are working with some prototypes
[17:32] <gadLinux> We are using leap motion, PC/SC cards, and clutter/mx/gtk/qt to do some applications
[17:33] <gadLinux> and there's some software that there is not in raspbian
[17:33] <gadLinux> so we must compile but our onw
[17:33] <gadLinux> own
[17:33] <gadLinux> and maintain it
[17:33] <gadLinux> so we want to be able to setup a repo
[17:33] <gadLinux> for our own apps and the packages that should be updated
[17:33] <gadLinux> for example libmx-dev is not there
[17:33] <shiftplusone> If I was doing this for myself, I would cross-compile without any debian tools and then package manually.
[17:33] <gadLinux> so we cannot build apps on raspberry
[17:34] <gadLinux> that's what we currently do
[17:34] <gadLinux> but I think it's not the right way
[17:34] <gadLinux> with debian tools you get repo ready compilations
[17:34] <gadLinux> so yo can deploy them fast and secure
[17:34] <shiftplusone> yup
[17:34] <gadLinux> when you have a cloud of 1000's raspis running... that helps a lot
[17:35] <gadLinux> you just tell them... hey nice guys, update your software
[17:35] <gadLinux> :-)
[17:35] <sney> ah, here it is http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YrtntGtU
[17:35] <gadLinux> This is just a demo of our software. We are trying to sell it but it makes sense for our customers...
[17:35] <sney> gadLinux: that link may be of interest to you
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[17:36] <gadLinux> oops
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[17:37] <sney> o_o
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[17:37] <gadLinux> xchat dies
[17:38] <gadLinux> hehehe
[17:38] <sney> in another irc channel I frequent, we call this phenomenon "spainternets"
[17:38] <gadLinux> hahaha
[17:39] <gadLinux> Maybe this is because movisternets
[17:39] <shiftplusone> gadLinux, do you have all the debian stuff set up to build the packages automagically?
[17:39] <gadLinux> shiftplusone, not yet
[17:39] <gadLinux> I'm doing main development here
[17:39] <shiftplusone> How often do you need to release the packages anyway?
[17:39] <gadLinux> And I do some desktop building, and when it's working right I compile it for arm and try
[17:40] <shiftplusone> (and I mean packages, not just binaries for testing)
[17:40] <gadLinux> But I got problems with some packages that cannot be used for now, like the mentioned lib-mx-dev
[17:40] <gadLinux> shiftplusone, mmm... It depends on bugs... But it must be ASAP when a bug is found
[17:41] <gadLinux> the systems we are building are for payment solutions
[17:41] <gadLinux> so they can have no bugs
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[17:41] <gadLinux> so we must update them fast after a bug
[17:41] <gadLinux> We plan to deploy a lot...
[17:41] <shiftplusone> h
[17:41] <shiftplusone> m
[17:42] <gadLinux> We can transfer binaries over sft
[17:42] <gadLinux> right
[17:42] <gadLinux> but we must do images updates, configuration, translation, and so on
[17:42] <gadLinux> and we must support libraries that are self compiled
[17:42] <gadLinux> even if raspbian will do the work
[17:42] <gadLinux> maybe we can work faster on this specific libraries
[17:43] <gadLinux> we then, will contribute with patches and packages, of course!
[17:43] <shiftplusone> That aside, it makes sense for you to compile as you do, then cross-compile for testing. When ready to release, run debian's build system natively on an ARM as the raspbian folks do. It's always going to take time to compile, so if it's important enough, invest what it's worth to you into faster ARM hardware.
[17:45] <gadLinux> shiftplusone, this seems to be the best approach for me. Maybe some day we can cross-compile and be sure that everything is working but for now... we are not yet there
[17:45] <sney> it may be worth noting - the cubie board can run raspbian, and it's a faster machine, seems to have a pci bus, has sata etc. so a few of those could be affordable build boxes
[17:45] <sney> they're not raspberry pi cheap but the current rev is $65ish
[17:45] <gadLinux> sney, thank you for the info. I will take a look
[17:46] <gadLinux> It's strange. I was working with FriendlyARM platform, and it gave me less headaches for cross-compile than raspbian
[17:46] <gadLinux> maybe processor is newer or tools are not much tested...
[17:46] <shiftplusone> In what way?
[17:47] <gadLinux> I really cannot cross-compile
[17:47] <gadLinux> with raspbian without recompiling everything in my amd64
[17:47] <shiftplusone> friendlyarm or pi, it shouldn't make any difference at all.
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[17:47] <gadLinux> I tried to do an overlay of the main raspbian system so cross-compile will get libraries and includes from there
[17:48] <gadLinux> but it keeps giving me problems.
[17:48] <gadLinux> It takes some libraries from amd64 (even if cross-compile) and mixes headers
[17:48] <gadLinux> so it gives compile time errors
[17:48] <gadLinux> maybe it's just my setup
[17:48] <shiftplusone> sounds like an environment issue rather than a pi issue.
[17:48] <gadLinux> I'm sure of it
[17:49] <gadLinux> I have to recheck.
[17:49] <gadLinux> You helped me a lot guys!
[17:49] <shiftplusone> Have you used scratchbox2?
[17:49] <gadLinux> If everything goes right I will post here what I;'ve done
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[17:50] <gadLinux> shiftplusone, nope. I heard of it but don't wanted to add another level of complexity
[17:50] <gadLinux> does it worth it?
[17:51] <gadLinux> http://russelldavis.org/2011/09/07/setting-up-scratchbox2-from-scratch-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:51] <gadLinux> looks good
[17:51] <shiftplusone> It does a lot of voodoo mortals like me don't understand. It prevents the host from contaminating the env, but if something doesn't work as it should.... I don't know where to start investigating.
[17:51] <shiftplusone> As with everything that abstracts what's going on.
[17:51] <gadLinux> yep
[17:52] <shiftplusone> don't use those instructions, they're old and moldy.
[17:52] <gadLinux> that's what I thought!
[17:52] <shiftplusone> slightly newer pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
[17:52] <shiftplusone> and written by the same gentleman
[17:52] <gadLinux> Will try it
[17:52] <gadLinux> >D
[17:52] <gadLinux> :D
[17:52] <gadLinux> Have only time to loose
[17:52] <gadLinux> :d
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[17:53] <gadLinux> great instructions... thank's again
[17:54] <gadLinux> Just one thing. I expected QEMU emulation to run faster than it runs...
[17:55] <shiftplusone> What?
[17:55] <sney> it's emulating an entire cpu though
[17:55] <gadLinux> I did a QEMU VM to run raspbian... But it works sloooow
[17:55] <gadLinux> yep I know
[17:55] <shiftplusone> sb2 does not actually use qemu for compiling (unless you tell it to)
[17:56] <shiftplusone> it will cross-compile properly, but you can add -eR to it to emulate instead.
[17:56] <gadLinux> But today processors are fast. I ran PXE that emulates playstation and can run code much faster than this
[17:56] <shiftplusone> pxe does all kinds of clever things, like re-compiling code.
[17:57] <shiftplusone> qemu does straight emulation
[17:57] <gadLinux> shiftplusone, I was referring to another thing. I tried to do VM machine compilation. but was sloow
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[17:57] <shiftplusone> yeah, it would be.
[17:58] <gadLinux> nice plugwash really knows how to do it... hehehe
[17:58] <gadLinux> tnx again guys
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[17:58] <olmari> evening all
[17:58] <gadLinux> I will be here for a while, maybe I can help others
[17:59] <olmari> is there a diffirence in model b 250mb version's LAN and 512 same? I isntalled raspbian in an older system with raspbian installer, then moved card to newer model, only to find basically no LAN at all
[18:00] <sney> no it's the same SoC
[18:01] <olmari> well that's waht's I tought too, yet 2 newer models and no connection, and so far as I have tried to look, like network system isn't there at all
[18:01] <gadLinux> olmari, have you tried to bring lan by hand?
[18:01] <olmari> link becomes active, but no protocol layer stuff, nor I see anything in logs or whatnot
[18:02] <gadLinux> maybe it's power problem or config problem
[18:02] <sney> if you took the same card and put it in the newer model, raspbian may have seen the ethernet address change and designated the newer pi's nic as 'eth1'
[18:02] <olmari> gadLinux: well I tried /etc/init.d/networking stop and start, it went okay, exept nothing really happened :D
[18:02] <gadLinux> I ran into different problems with model B because not enough power through the port
[18:02] <gadLinux> I mean USB port that was powering it
[18:03] <olmari> well 1200mA charger is powering, so that shouldn't be problem, let me check ifconfig -a
[18:03] <olmari> hey you got me there, eth2
[18:04] <sney> thanks, udev!
[18:04] <olmari> sounds about right, as it's 3rd rasp the system is in...
[18:04] <sney> this can be controlled through the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[18:04] <olmari> thanks for heads up, didn't occur in mind =)
[18:05] <olmari> sney: just was about to ask taht too :D
[18:05] <sney> most people who know about that issue, know about it because it happened to them
[18:06] <olmari> mm, indeed
[18:06] <gadLinux> plugwash, I was thinking... Why don't you build a system with strong ARM processor and memory to just compile
[18:06] <olmari> this again proves something... one can easily throw an initscript for octoprint, and then be completely fooled by fuken udev :D
[18:07] <gadLinux> So you don't have to invest in 3th party hardware
[18:07] <gadLinux> and all ecosystem is opensource
[18:07] <sney> gadLinux: 'invest' is probably the answer. laying out $3k for some build boxes is a cost you can support through donations. developing a new arm computer from scratch specifically for that purpose is a bit less feasible
[18:08] <gadLinux> hehehe
[18:08] <plugwash> I have neither the time, the skill level or the money to get into designing my own boards at that level
[18:09] <gadLinux> What about FPGA_
[18:09] <shiftplusone> And then you'll have people complaining that it doesn't have bluetooth or a kitchen sink anyway=P
[18:09] <gadLinux> ?
[18:09] <gadLinux> hahaha
[18:10] * plugwash doesn't see how a FPGA would help, you still have to either buy someone else's board or design a high level board yourself
[18:10] <plugwash> and FPGAs powerful enough to contain a high level processor are bloody expensive and damn power hungry
[18:11] <gadLinux> So there's no turnaround... I must follow your steps
[18:11] <gadLinux> :-)
[18:11] <gadLinux> $3k is not that bad
[18:12] <gadLinux> The article about how you built raspbian is really interesting
[18:13] <gadLinux> What's Openbrix Zero
[18:13] <gadLinux> link is broken
[18:13] <plugwash> a board that never made it to release
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[18:13] <plugwash> which is a pity because it would have been a nice choice if it had
[18:13] <gadLinux> Cortex A15
[18:13] <plugwash> basically it was the same core hardware as the arndaleboard but cheaper and physically smaller
[18:14] <gadLinux> bad luck then!
[18:14] <gadLinux> I thought that ARM systems were something like opensource build blocks for processors
[18:14] <gadLinux> But I see that manufacturers put their license fees on it
[18:14] * plugwash was put off the arndaleboard by it's price, physical size and some concerns about stability
[18:15] <gadLinux> I see there's a lot of hardware out there. It was an explosion!
[18:16] <plugwash> There is a lot of hardware out there but once you put 2GB of ram and SATA on the requirements list the number of possibilties goes down a lot
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[18:16] <gadLinux> 2GB it's quite a lot for this kind of systems
[18:17] <gadLinux> I suppose that SATA is not much neccesary if it support usb3 or apple alternatives
[18:17] <gadLinux> but hardware must support this heavy data processing
[18:18] <gadLinux> I really love this kind of tiny hardware with superb features
[18:18] <gadLinux> beagle board is another alternative that looks great
[18:18] <Odie_> you dont need arm system to compile code for arm
[18:18] <Odie_> the techincal term is cross compiler
[18:18] <gadLinux> yep
[18:18] <gadLinux> but not always works
[18:19] <plugwash> Odie_, we know but cross-comiling opens it's own cans of worms
[18:19] <olmari> hmm... I wonder how would one get around of that persisten network rule for good... modify the /lib/udev/write_net_rules or something that would remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules at every boot..
[18:19] <gadLinux> I have to test scratchbox2 as shiftplusone recommended me
[18:19] <shiftplusone> 'recommended' is a strong word >.>
[18:19] <plugwash> In the end we have decided to go with the wandboard quad for building raspbian. 2GB ram, SATA, reasonablly priced and reaosnablly peiced
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[18:20] <plugwash> *reasonablly priced and reasonablly sized
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[18:21] <gadLinux> I see it's opensource also... or at least it looks like
[18:21] <gadLinux> 129USD for quad
[18:21] <gadLinux> also a great choice
[18:21] <gadLinux> gigabit lan
[18:21] <gadLinux> nice feature also
[18:23] <gadLinux> The people that designs this kind of hardware are really magicians...
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[18:29] <gadLinux> Guys I leave now. Thank you a lot for your guidance. And your work. I will be back to se If I can help others.... Best regards,
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[19:08] <dion> is it possible to install rasbian onto my rasberry pi from a usb stick?
[19:08] <dion> I don't have an SD slot on my computer
[19:08] <dion> so I can't mount the image to the SD card
[19:09] <olmari> dion: not really, there needs to be rpi firmware files on SD on very boot
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[19:10] <olmari> ie you need an SD anyhow no matter what, independent where would an installer be
[19:10] <dion> so I have to have a computer with an SD card slot to setup my rasberry pi?
[19:13] <olmari> dion: basivally yes, fortunately an random USB-cardreader doesn't cost much
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[20:20] <eighty4> Heay! Anyone have a suggestion for a good command line webcam tool? I've tried a couple but the image comes up distorted (using gspca_zc3xx-2.14.0)
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[20:31] <Odie_> my webcam distorts the picture occasionally if there is not enough power to run it
[20:31] <Odie_> (on video feed)
[20:31] <Odie_> I got that fixed by powered hub or y-cable powering the camera
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[20:40] <eighty4> Odie_: oh! good idea, I'll try a hub
[20:45] <eighty4> lol, got even worse when using a usb-hub :)
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[23:30] <dion> can someone tell my why login: pi, pass: rasberry doesn't work on the standard debian raspbian os?
[23:31] <dion> i just set up my pi and Im stuck trying to login
[23:31] <dion> it just says: Login incorrect, and asks me for the login again
[23:32] <plugwash> umm it's raspberry not rasberry
[23:32] <dion> NOW you tell me
[23:32] <dion> lol jk
[23:33] <dion> i am an idiot
[23:43] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[23:55] <raidensnake> how does the raspbian os cope with fast connections like fibre
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