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[0:00] <gnarface> does the host machine have a route back to the clients?
[0:02] <mist__> i'm assuming so since i can ping the entire server net
[0:02] <mist__> and if i ping from the server net the traffic goes all the way to the client but doesn't come back
[0:03] <gnarface> did you look at the routes on the client before and after connecting?
[0:03] <mist__> also the route error doesn't seem to be an issue, for some reason it runs the same command twice and thats why it showed the error
[0:03] <mist__> only after connecting i think
[0:04] <mist__> the routes look good
[0:04] <gnarface> so you're trying to ping a client from the host and can't
[0:04] <gnarface> ?
[0:04] <gnarface> maybe i don't actually understand your problem because so far you've described everything as working to me
[0:05] <gnarface> i'm not clear on what exactly you think you should be able to ping that isn't pinging
[0:05] <mist__> i do not get a response when i ping the client from the server net
[0:05] <gnarface> right
[0:05] <gnarface> you wouldn't be expected to
[0:05] <mist__> hmkay
[0:06] <gnarface> you wouldn't be expected to be able to connect to a client from the server net at all unless the client was bridged
[0:06] <gnarface> or you'd done extra iptables configuration
[0:06] <gnarface> because the clients are all in a NAT
[0:06] <mist__> what about computers in the client net, shouldn't they be able to ping the server net?
[0:06] <gnarface> i thought you *JUST* said they could
[0:07] <gnarface> do you know what a NAT is?
[0:07] <mist__> ah no, sorry. the server net can't ping the client net. the client can ping the server net. the client net cannot ping the server net
[0:07] <gnarface> you told me earlier you didn't set up the openvpn server in bridged mode. nothing i've told you so far is accurate for a bridged vpn
[0:08] <gnarface> but if you'd actually read the howto, you would be aware of whether you were using a bridged mode vpn or not for sure
[0:08] <mist__> Including multiple machines on the client side when using a routed VPN (dev tun)
[0:08] <mist__> this is what i'm reading from the howto
[0:08] <gnarface> this statement makes sense: ah no, sorry. the server net can't ping the client net. the client can ping the server net.
[0:08] <mist__> its not a bridged net
[0:08] <gnarface> this statement does not make sense, and directly countradicts the first statment: the client net cannot ping the server net
[0:09] <gnarface> AH
[0:09] <gnarface> ok so that's an important difference
[0:09] <gnarface> the openvpn CLIENT has no control over the routes of the other machines on its LAN
[0:10] <mist__> yeah i've added routes manually on the hosts on the clients lan
[0:12] <mist__> sorry that i can't explain this better =( i do appreciate the help though
[0:16] <gnarface> did you read that whole section?
[0:16] <gnarface> The last step, and one that is often forgotten, is to add a route to the server's LAN gateway which directs 192.168.4.0/24 to the OpenVPN server box (you won't need this if the OpenVPN server box is the gateway for the server LAN). Suppose you were missing this step and you tried to ping a machine (not the OpenVPN server itself) on the server LAN from 192.168.4.8? The outgoing ping would probably reach the machine, but
[0:16] <gnarface> then it wouldn't know how to route the ping reply, because it would have no idea how to reach 192.168.4.0/24. The rule of thumb to use is that when routing entire LANs through the VPN (when the VPN server is not the same machine as the LAN gateway), make sure that the gateway for the LAN routes all VPN subnets to the VPN server machine.
[0:17] <gnarface> you're sure you did this?
[0:17] <gnarface> the client lan gateway will also need a route added, i think
[0:17] <gnarface> i don't think you should have to add it to each host on the client lan manually
[0:18] <mist__> gnarface: unfortunately i do not have cli/root access to the router. which is why this is such a hassle =(
[0:19] <gnarface> mist__: you may not actually be able to *succeed* at this without administrative control over both routers
[0:19] <mist__> i did some further digging, seems the icmp packet goes from the client net host, to the ovpn client, the packet is seen leaving the tun0 inteface. BUT it is not seen by the server interface. i can see the packet coming if i check the external interface though =/
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[0:20] <mist__> if push comes to shove i'll dump the router firmware via JTAG and crack open the squashfs partition but seriosuly, so much work =(
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[0:25] <mist__> nvm i'll just do ipsec with racoon instead
[0:29] <gnarface> mist__: good luck...
[0:43] <mist__> aaand:~ root# ping 10.7.1.1
[0:43] <mist__> PING 10.7.1.1 (10.7.1.1): 56 data bytes
[0:43] <mist__> 64 bytes from 10.7.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=62 time=24.802 ms
[0:43] <mist__> yay =D
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[0:44] <gnarface> heh
[0:45] <gnarface> is that with ipsec and raccoon? i think i just spotted the problem with your openvpn configuration...
[0:50] <mist__> yeah gnarface =) what was the issue with my openvpn?
[0:51] <gnarface> 10.7.0.0
[0:51] <gnarface> 10.7.1.1
[0:51] <mist__> its /16
[0:51] <gnarface> ah
[0:52] <gnarface> nevermind
[0:52] <mist__> =)
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[0:54] <mist__> not sure what kind of performance i will be getting out of this though. That was maily the reason why i wanted openvpn. it seemed lighter
[0:55] <gnarface> well i think your approach to openvpn was flawed
[0:55] <gnarface> on a number of levels
[0:55] <mist__> probaby
[0:56] <mist__> like i started out with. I'm a openvpn noob and most likely i should have used bridge
[0:56] <gnarface> well its important to note that you *do* have to read the WHOLE howto even if you're only using one setup
[0:57] <gnarface> and you might benefit from reading it repeatedly
[0:58] <gnarface> its also important to note that when you're new to openvpn its very helpful to turn log verbosity to max and actually tail the logs on the client and server sides at once (in separate terminal windows) starting immediately after a clean boot,
[0:58] <gnarface> so that you can watch what open vpn actually *does*
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[0:58] <gnarface> then it will make it easier to see what you need to change
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[1:00] <gnarface> there *are* a couple of the finer points of its behavior that aren't really clearly stated in the config
[1:00] <gnarface> its better to actually pay attention to what it does
[1:00] <gnarface> check routes 1) after a clean boot 2) before starting openvpn 3) after successful/failed connection attempt
[1:01] <gnarface> bridged mode *is* easier
[1:02] <gnarface> the primary confusion with routed mode is the weird way you have to nest NATs and ... then it points one backwards and runs point-to-point connections through it, so the client ip addresses aren't even the same on either end of the tunnel
[1:03] <gnarface> but routed mode is a lot more flexible ...
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[1:41] <mist__> gnarface: i'm gonna give it another good try, probably not tonight but definately the coming days
[1:43] <mist__> i guess i'll have to look through the documentation a bit more thoroughly. Since i've dealt with vpns previously in other formats i figured i had alot of the basic knowledge already. i guess i was wrong xD
[1:46] <gnarface> openvpn leaves a lot to the system
[1:46] <gnarface> and even when it does automagically do things on the system, it does them with the same system tools you'd use yourself
[1:47] <gnarface> its little more than a hyped up frontend for point-to-point ssl tunneling, but that is also what makes it so light
[1:48] <gnarface> the down side is if your router isn't also the machine running the vpn, its severely limited in its ability to abstract all this in an intuitive way
[1:49] <gnarface> additionally, if it fails to cleanly connect, or if there is some other config error, it can in many cases leave the routing stack in an unusable state that the next start attempt of openvpn will not be able to clean up for, and will summarily fail for entirely different reasons
[1:49] <gnarface> making debugging very confusing
[1:50] <mist__> well when i killed the openvpn client it seemed to clean the routing table
[1:50] <gnarface> its a bit better behaved on linux especially if you don't drop root permissions
[1:51] <gnarface> on other operating systems i think routes related to virtual interfaces don't necessarily get deleted with their interface
[1:51] <gnarface> but your situation may simply have been that you omitted the ccd configuration
[1:51] <gnarface> it mentioned making a ccd/ subdirectory for per-client configurations
[1:52] <gnarface> which in this case i think you have to do even for only the one client
[1:52] <gnarface> then to get the rest of the client network connected i think you *should* just have to add one route entry to the client network's gateway (if its not the openvpn machine)
[1:53] <gnarface> you mentioned not having admin access to the client network though
[1:53] <gnarface> does that mean you can't set a route on the client network's outbound router?
[1:55] <gnarface> i'm not sure if you actually can do this without the router's permission
[1:56] <gnarface> i've never tried setting per-host routes for that part like you describe
[1:56] <gnarface> but it seems to me that then you'd need a host route for each client on the cilent vpn gateway, wouldn't you?
[1:56] <gnarface> since it wouldn't be able to get to them through the ... real gateway...
[1:57] <gnarface> it may be easier to simply replace the client network
[1:57] <mist__> gnarface: yes, i couldn't set a default route in the gateway. real pain in the ass
[1:58] <mist__> replacing the client network was also a no-go since it is VDSL based
[2:06] <gnarface> you aren't using the same ip subnet as for the server network and the client LAN, or as for the opnvpn client virtual NAT, are you?
[2:06] <gnarface> that's another thing to watch for
[2:06] <gnarface> in routed mode, none of the subnets can overlap
[2:08] <mist__> nope
[2:09] <mist__> 10.10.0.0/16 and 10.7.0.0/16
[2:09] <mist__> 10.100.0.0/24 for the tunnel
[2:11] <mist__> right now i'm fighting with finding a way to add a static route on startup on a appletv =X not the easiest thing it seems
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[2:47] <mist__> whoaaa it seriously took 2 hours to figure out a way to start something automatically xD
[2:50] <mist__> ok back to openvpn then xD
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[11:27] <north> hey all. How do I login to RPi without password and username in the first boot itself ?
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[11:33] <nullie> you supply default username and password
[11:34] <nullie> root:hexxeh
[11:34] <nullie> root:raspbian
[11:34] <nullie> pi:raspberry
[11:35] <north> assuming I don't have a monitor I'm just running a headless Pi board even the first time
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[11:36] <north> nullie:
[11:36] <nullie> it's same for ssh login
[11:36] <nullie> pi:raspberry
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[11:46] <LordThumper> Hi all. What kernel branch does the current build of Raspian use?
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[12:10] <gnarface> LordThumper: an excellent question
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[12:15] <LordThumper> Without an excellent answer is just another question
[12:15] <gnarface> well rpi-update currently gives me 3.6.11+ preempt
[12:16] <LordThumper> awesome, thanks
[12:16] <gnarface> a quick apt-cache search shows 3.2 and 3.6 packages in the raspbian repo though
[12:16] <gnarface> whatever the foundation's pre-installed raspbian image (from raspberrypi.org) is using, i have no idea
[12:17] <gnarface> rpi-update also comes with firmware
[12:17] <gnarface> i think the raspbian packages may ignore the fact there is firmware
[12:17] <gnarface> but i'm not sure about that
[12:18] <LordThumper> oh
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[16:33] <passstab> hifi, is your netinstall complete?
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[17:01] <hifi> passstab: what do you mean by that?
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[20:19] <__djo__> part
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[21:37] <scotepi> I had 3 new pi's all run raspbain.. 1 of them keeps droping ssh for some reason, it normaly takes 2-3 tries to get it working again. Is this a known issue?
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[22:45] <gnarface> scotepi should learn to wait longer or responses
[22:47] <sney> that is a good habit for anyone hoping for irc support
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[23:57] <pi__> Just installed and I think I have wrong keyboard settings. When I try to do uppercase 3, I get £ instead of #
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[23:58] <pi__> How can I change/fix the keyboard settings
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