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[0:00] <pi__> Also, I need an image viewer so I tried to install eog but got errors:
[0:00] <pi__> eog : Depends: libpeas-1.0-0 (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gir1.2-peas-1.0 but it is not going to be installed
[0:02] <dougiel> has anyone tried the wifi dongle from adafruit?
[0:03] <pi__> I'm about to try the netgear n150
[0:03] <pi__> or maybe it is 150n?
[0:04] <dougiel> I was looking for some feedback about the realtek... does not work with anything but a mac so far
[0:05] <dougiel> I did not go at it hardcore yet tho
[0:08] <pi__> How about the n150 Netgear?
[0:09] <dougiel> give me a url
[0:10] <dougiel> net gear is higher end imho
[0:14] <pi__> Another issue: On the raspberry-pi package there was a sticker that told me to be sure and [quote]download the latest operating system onto your SD card tu upgrade theRaspberry Pi's firmware.[end-quote]
[0:14] <pi__> @
[0:15] <pi__> My keyboard is not correct. Uppercase on the ' key I get @ and uppercase on the 3 key I get £
[0:15] <pi__> How can I fix the keyboard?
[0:20] <pi__> What I want to do with my raspberry-pi is just a graphic type markee for a flatscreen monitor.
[0:20] <pi__> I'm thinking of maybe just an image viewer that will do slideshow in a loop.
[0:20] <pi__> Any suggestions?
[0:21] <pi__> I tried to install eog but it wouldn't do it. Error:
[0:21] <pi__> eog : Depends: libpeas-1.0-0 (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gir1.2-peas-1.0 but it is not going to be installed
[0:22] <pi__> Any ideas for an image viewer?
[0:25] <dougiel> pi__, you know debian right?
[0:26] <pi__> Yea, pretty much.
[0:27] <dougiel> and I thought you could view images in any browser?
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[0:28] <pi__> I want an image viewer that will do slideshow in aloop/
[0:28] <pi__> loop
[0:28] <dougiel> oh...
[0:28] <dougiel> and what happened when you tried to install the dependencies?
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[0:32] <dougiel> and what happened when you tried to install the dependencies?
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[0:33] <gnarface> pi___: did you try out gwenview?
[0:34] * gnarface admits to having never once used a slideshow app he didn't write himself in javascript
[0:35] <dougiel> gnarface, what do you use with your pi?
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[0:36] <gnarface> dougiel: for slideshows? i don't, i use my nintendo
[0:36] <gnarface> photo channel is superior to all other offerings
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[0:36] <gnarface> but the point i was making was that before that, i would write 5 lines of javascript
[0:37] <gnarface> and i've been using midori to browse on the pi
[0:37] <gnarface> its weird but faster than firefox
[0:38] <gnarface> all that said, i've heard multiple accounts gwenview was a good image viewer
[0:38] <gnarface> my favorite was entice
[0:38] <gnarface> but i think its been scuttled some time ago
[0:39] <dougiel> I have used gwenview... it worked at the time, but I dont remember what I was doing
[0:39] <dougiel> but
[0:40] <dougiel> if pi was having dependency issues with the other one gwenview would be a nightmare
[0:41] <gnarface> its just that i'm actually SO good at javascript it was typically easier to write a quick&dirty slideshow script exactly to my current needs at whatever time (on the few occasions i needed to) than to find a good one, after entice disappeared
[0:41] <sney> today I failed at installing the wall mount for the big screen my pi will use to display itself to the world. sigh. wait for the plaster to dry and then try again
[0:41] <gnarface> but then i got a nintendo and the free built-in photo channel is actually incredible as far as slideshow apps go
[0:42] <gnarface> sney: electronic stud finders: $9 at home depot
[0:42] <sney> no, I need to avoid the studs, they're steel
[0:43] <gnarface> fuckt
[0:43] <dougiel> I have one pi on a 42 inch gaming tv and another on my 62" for xbmc
[0:43] <sney> it's just that the drywall anchors that came with the wall mount were a) huge and b) not suited to 1/2" drywall
[0:43] <gnarface> sney: i recommend a floor stand then
[0:43] <sney> so I basically got stuck with giant holes in the wall
[0:43] <sney> it needs to go over a window in this particular part of the shop
[0:44] <sney> gonna try again tomorrow
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[1:02] <mist__> gnarface: are u a iptables god? ^^
[1:04] <gnarface> mist__: not really, though i understand the rough basics of it. i've only had to learn it recently for a client that wouldn't let me use packetfilter in openbsd instead
[1:05] <mist__> i'm so confused right now i can't even make proper questions haha =D i wanna route traffic through my ipsec rpi that we were talking about the other day
[1:06] <gnarface> yea i remember but unfortunately here's the problem. remember how you couldn't make heads or tails of openvpn? well i was never able to make heads or tails of ipsec
[1:06] <mist__> hehe, but i solved the ipsec its up and running =) all i need now is the iptables rule to allow forwarding
[1:07] <gnarface> the fact it goes through the kernel instead of userspace is the part i don't understand. in theory this means it should all be done with before iptables can even touch it, no?
[1:07] <mist__> ohhhh nvm i solved it
[1:07] <mist__> EVERYTHING WORKS OH MY GOD =O
[1:09] <mist__> just needed a iptables -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[1:09] <gnarface> ah, the nat rule
[1:09] <gnarface> i always use snat or dnat
[1:10] <gnarface> the other confusing thing about iptables is all the non-standardized extensions with overlapping functionality
[1:10] <gnarface> and the non-normative config foremat
[1:10] <dougiel> what is user and password on my raspian?
[1:10] <gnarface> *format*
[1:10] <mist__> yeah i know gnarface, i've been in touch with iptables a bunch of times and everything just seems to overlap
[1:11] <mist__> pf is the way to go =)
[1:22] <pi___> How can I add an application or script for autorun?
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[1:25] <Marvin-RPi> put these 4 words into google: autorun scripts raspberry pi
[1:26] <Marvin-RPi> read http://akeric.com/blog/?p=1976
[1:29] <Marvin-RPi> people who are asking for something that they can google are called LAZY people
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[1:57] <pi___> How can I autostart a gui app?
[1:57] <pi___> When it boots. (I just want to run: geeqie -f -s /home/pi/Pictures/
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[2:00] <vagrantc> maybe put a .desktop file in ~/.configzautostart/ ?
[2:01] <vagrantc> look in /usr/share/applications/
[2:03] <Marvin-RPi> dude, again?! it's even on the raspberrypi.org website
[2:03] <pi___> How about installing xfce4 ?
[2:03] <pi___> (xfce4 has a gui app for autostart
[2:04] <vagrantc> what's it use by default?
[2:06] <pi___> vagrantc: You mean ¬/.config/autostart/ ?
[2:08] <vagrantc> ~/.config/autostart ... several desktop environments support it
[2:09] <pi___> vagrantc: Trying it now. I guess I'll reboot and see.
[2:09] <vagrantc> good luck
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[2:12] <pi__> ./config/autostart/file didn't work
[2:13] <pi__> so...........
[2:13] <pi__> Must be *some* way.... What next ?
[2:15] <pi__> So this is openbox. Right?
[2:15] <vagrantc> dunno what you're running...
[2:15] <Marvin-RPi> ask google. Seriously, you ask questions that are easily answered when you search on google. Put some effort into it, you have no clue on linux do you?
[2:16] <pi__> http://paste.debian.net/42705/
[2:16] <pi__> Marvin-RPi: Is that for me?
[2:17] <pi__> geeqie -f -s /home/pi/Pictures/
[2:17] <Marvin-RPi> yes it is
[2:17] <vagrantc> pi__: that's not a .desktop formatted file
[2:18] <pi__> vagrantc: Is that what I need?
[2:18] <vagrantc> you need a .desktop formatted
[2:18] <pi__> vagrantc: To put in _ .config/autorun ?
[2:23] <pi__> Just reading file /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart
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[2:23] <pi__> http://paste.debian.net/42710/
[2:24] <pi__> vagrantc: What does a .desktop formatted file look like?
[2:25] <pi__> Marvin-RPi: Thanks for the suggestion about googling but I *am* googling it.
[2:26] <pi__> vagrantc: Can you give an example?
[2:26] <Marvin-RPi> don't make me laugh, over and out
[2:29] <pi__> Marvin-RPi: Why. What's wrong?
[2:34] <pi__> I'm going to reboot and see what happens.
[2:34] <pi__> I put a script in .config/openbox/autostart
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[2:36] <gnarface> how come none of you told him about /etc/rc.local?
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[2:43] <gnarface> sometimes it takes less effort to just cough up the answer than it does to make a principled stand on being a dick
[2:44] <gnarface> and telling someone "lmgtfy" to hide the fact you don't know the answer yourself is just really lame
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[3:09] <gnarface> Marvin-RPi: i'm looking at you. over and out.
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[3:11] <pi__> Got it! (I created a properly .desktop formatted file in ¬/.config/autostart/ with executable bit set for it and it works.
[3:11] * gnarface claps for pi__
[3:12] <gnarface> pi__: i hazed everyone in here for being needlessly obtuse.
[3:12] <gnarface> pi__: ...while you were gone
[3:14] <pi__> ./.config/autostart/slide-show.desktop
[3:14] <pi__> http://paste.debian.net/42732/
[3:16] <pi__> gnarface: Thanks, but I know how it is. Some think it best to brow-beat us into thinking for ourselves. Sometimes it works, but other times it is just well, not helpful
[3:17] <pi__> Sometimes it is better to just tell them what they need to know.
[3:17] <pi__> Anyway, thanks all :)
[3:18] <pi__> Works like a charm. I'm happy.
[3:19] <pi__> How hard is it to install xfce on raspbain?
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[3:21] <pi__> (I'm an xfce user, so,just wondering how it would work on this little rig.
[3:24] <pi__> Oh, I have another question: I read on the sticker “...Please ensure that you download the latest operating system onto your SD card to upgrade the Raspberry Pi's firmware.“
[3:24] <pi__> Not sure I've done that. How can I check and see?
[3:24] <pi__> Or is it not important?
[3:26] <gnarface> pi__: you are in #raspbian
[3:27] <shiftplusone> pi__, to update your system, run sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html
[3:27] <shiftplusone> pi__, and install xfce is not hard.
[3:27] <gnarface> pi__: amongst the things you haven't been told that would have helped you all along is that the information you got to get the "latest version" came from the people who run #raspberrypi not *this* channel
[3:27] <pi__> shiftplusone: `How?
[3:27] <pi__> sudo apt-get install xfce4* ?
[3:27] <shiftplusone> don't need the *
[3:28] <gnarface> pi__: in *either* case, the answer to your actual question is pretty much in line with how you'd do it on debian, the difference merely being what versions you'll expect to get
[3:28] <pi__> I don't really know what version of raspbian im on now
[3:29] <pi__> /etc/issue says: Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
[3:29] <pi__> and I did apt-get update & apt-get upgrade
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[3:32] <shiftplusone> gnarface, what do we (#raspberrypi) have to do with keeping firmware up to date? That question is as relevant here as it is there. =S
[3:35] <gnarface> shiftplusone: it was my impression that #raspberrypi represents the entity that provides the firmware, as well as the installed image pi__ was working from, which has *other* aftermarket additions on top of raspbian in addition to that
[3:35] <gnarface> shiftplusone: this channel is just for stock raspbian issues
[3:36] <gnarface> shiftplusone: but i'm aware there aren't tight restrictions on topic here like in #debian or in #raspberrypi, i was merely trying to separate the confusion for pi__ as to whom provides *authoritative* information for the different parts of the system he was currently trying to dissect mentally
[3:36] <shiftplusone> ah fair enough
[3:37] <vfw> I installed gwenview which required a lot of dependencies when all I really needed was geeqie, but I'm wondering if geeqie would have needed just as many?
[3:38] <vfw> I suppose I could uninstall gwenview
[3:38] <gnarface> shiftplusone: the fundamental base of most of *my* confusions initially was entirely hinged on the misinformation i was given about the nature of relationship between raspbian.org and raspberrypi.org (primarily the simple fact they're two separate entities in the first place) so i try to spread the word around now
[3:39] <vfw> I've still got 12 out of 15G left so, it is not all that important.
[3:39] <gnarface> vfw: the package maintainer determines what optional dependencies are marked as "optional" and which are marked as "required"
[3:39] <gnarface> vfw: chances are its stuff you'd use for other things too though
[3:39] <vfw> Yea, that's what I thought.
[3:39] <shiftplusone> vfw, I don't know about gwenview, but geeqie does not have many dependencies at all, It's meant to be 'light' but full featured.
[3:39] <gnarface> vfw: if most of it is stuff like gtk core libraries, and perl/python/ruby extensions and such, definitely expect that other stuff requires that anyway
[3:40] <vfw> shiftplusone: Yea it is. It's perfect for what I wanted to do.
[3:40] <gnarface> vfw: also note the difference between "new" installs and "upgraded" packages
[3:41] <shiftplusone> gnarface, they're different entities, yeah, but I don't think this channel is just for stock raspbian questions. I may be wrong 'course, I can't speak for plugwash.
[3:41] <gnarface> vfw: if you haven't updated in forever (or its a pre-installed image from last year you downloaded today from raspberrypi.org) its common for a new package to require 2 or 3 additional dependencies and like 200 upgrades to existing packages
[3:43] <vfw> I'm ok with 12 out of 15G Only thing I really need to do now is get samba and nfs going.
[3:43] <vfw> what do I need to install for nfs?
[3:44] <gnarface> vfw: just about nothing, but nfs-kernel-server (for servers) and nfs-common (for everyone) are good staring points
[3:46] <gnarface> vfw: #1 mistake: not reading the instructions. #2 mistake; assuming that mixing os X (nfs v 3) clients with linux nfs servers (nfs v 4) can't motherfucking completely crash your linux server
[3:46] <vfw> nfs-*
[3:48] <vfw> Only going to have a linux box share via nfs with it.
[3:49] <vfw> Not sure how I'm going to do this, but the goal is to make it easy to provide new images for the raspberry to display.
[3:50] <vfw> The plan is to hook it to a flat screen on the wall in the canteen and just do slideshow in random loop mode.
[3:50] <vfw> But I want to make it easy to upload or provide new images.
[3:50] <vfw> (It's just like a video marquee.)
[3:59] <gnarface> vfw: install the nfs stuff and then read the manpage for /etc/exports
[3:59] <gnarface> vfw: if you are already familiar with /etc/fstab and the basics of starting/stopping services with init scripts, you should then have everything you need to know
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[4:10] <vfw> I see that after about 15 minutes it turns off the monitor. How do I stop that from happening?
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[4:11] <gnarface> the easiest way is probably to consult the documentation for the window manager you're using
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[4:11] <gnarface> vfw: failing that, read the xset manpage and check for dpms options
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[4:12] <gnarface> vfw: i think the complete disabling of all display-specific powermanagement is something like: xset dpms 0 0 0
[4:12] <gnarface> vfw: in most cases you're only affected by one or two of the modes though
[4:12] <vfw> gnarface: Not sure that it will do it if I have geeqie running slideshow though.
[4:13] <vfw> I suppose it will though...
[4:17] <gnarface> vfw: if you run it *after* X starts, and *after* you log in, it should stick until you power down/log out
[4:18] <gnarface> vfw: its common for video players/slideshow viewers to fail to disable dpms on their own, but its highly uncommon for them to ever enable or re-enable it, as that would sabotage their primary feature
[4:19] <gnarface> vfw: if you're running xscreensaver or something like that it may compete with your xset commands though
[4:20] <gnarface> vfw: the far most common issue is people who thought they disabled all of dpms but really only disabled one or two of the 3 possible modes
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[7:40] <Th0rsten> anyone here has experience cross compiling opencv for the rpi? As I was not able to cross compile opencv itself I did it on the pi and copied it to my pc. However I am getting undefined references to symbols like 'inflate' and a linker warning that libz.so.1 needed by cv was not found
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[7:58] <gnarface> Th0rsten: i don't know what opencv is, but nothing that turns up in the list resulting from "apt-cache search opencv" will work for you?
[7:59] <gnarface> Th0rsten: or, nothing turns up? (i haven't looked myself0
[7:59] <gnarface> )
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[8:11] <Th0rsten> I already compiled it on the pi
[8:11] <Th0rsten> but I need it on the pc in order to compile it for the pi, which I can't do with x86 version
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[9:29] <tdlx_> hello all
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[9:30] <tdlx_> i installed xbmc on raspbian by fetching the "xbmc-rdp-tomaz.armhf.deb" on github and then runnning "sudo dpkg -i xbmc-rdp-tomaz.armhf.deb; sudo apt-get -y -f install"
[9:30] <tdlx_> xbmc runs smoothly but Airplay is NOT present in the services
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[9:31] <tdlx_> i am then trying to uninstall xbmc to reinstall it from Michael Gorven works
[9:32] <tdlx_> any idea how to uninstall it? "sudo apt-get autoremove xbmc" doesnt work
[9:34] <tdlx_> nevermind, i found something
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[10:03] <igraltist> tdlx_: apt-get remove --purge package_name
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[10:16] <tdlx_> thanks igraltist, i found a procedure in the documentation of the package
[10:17] <tdlx_> igraltist: other question: i am no programmer, and would therefore like to delete the python shells icon from my desktop; any idea how to do that without breaking anything?
[10:21] <igraltist> tdlx_: just remove it with left klick on mouse?
[10:24] <tdlx_> well, i dont know if this is a shortcut of an executable file
[10:24] <tdlx_> thats why im not confortable with that methdod igraltist
[10:24] <igraltist> no it should a entry in a xml file for you desktopenvironment
[10:35] <tdlx_> ok
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[13:16] <vfw> I wrote a [very crude] script to stop/start the slideshow (because when you add images, geeqie stalls).
[13:16] <vfw> http://paste.debian.net/42993/
[13:17] <vfw> I think the part were it specifies the directory may not be necessary
[13:18] <vfw> I think it will grab images where-ever it finds them.
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[13:27] <vfw> If there is better way to tell geeqie to continue on but show new images, I'm open to suggestion(s).
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[13:34] <vfw> OR... when directory ~/Pictures is changed, restart geeqie ???
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[14:40] <vfw> Just found that if I replace an image (upload image of same name as an existing one), geeqie will display it as it comes to it and will not stall.
[14:42] <vfw> how do we handle the fact that there is no clock? Should we set a crontab job to update time from a time server periodically? Or....?
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[15:34] <v3gard> anyone using raspberry pis for data collection?
[15:34] <v3gard> i'm planning on using 4 raspberry pis with 2 temperature sensors on each rpi, but I am uncertain of which data store I should keep the data in
[15:35] <v3gard> i'm considering cassandra or rrd.. anyone with experience in those systems?
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[15:35] <v3gard> to clarify, all the rpis will send the data to a central server. there will not be any separate databases
[15:36] <sney> why not just use sql then
[15:37] <v3gard> well, sql is not optimized for time-series data collection
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[15:38] <v3gard> I could of course use SQL, but I want this pet project to learn working with nosql alternatives
[15:38] <v3gard> err.. s/want this/want to use this/
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[15:42] <sney> fair enough. it sounds like you have a legit reason for it. just use the one that's easiest for you. rrdtool looks pretty well supported.
[15:54] <edman007> v3gard, I think the best answer I can give you about it not being optimized is "so what"? It's sufficient and it's easy
[15:56] <edman007> but if you want to do it because you want to learn another storage system, then pick the system that you want to learn, not the "best" system because it appears that being the "best" dozen't matter
[15:58] <edman007> if you want the fastest system, honestly the fastest system would be a custom built binary format, it allows you to omit everything you don't need and only include what you must have, obviously that's a lot of work and isn't all that portable, but you could say the same about not using SQL
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[16:10] <v3gard> edman007: yeah, I agree. I'm very comfortable with using SQL well as I've used postgresql and mysql for personal projects on several other occasions and sql server for work related things - so I know that will work more than fine for this purpose. On the other hand, I really want to learn using NoSQL alternatives as well, and thought that this might be a fun way to do it.
[16:10] <v3gard> s/SQL well/SQL/
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[16:13] <v3gard> however, I cannot decide whether I want to learn using RRD (which is, or at least was, the de-facto open source data logging tool, at least for things related to SNMP) or go for the other "in-the-wind" alternative Cassandra
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[16:29] <pancake_> hello
[16:30] <Lejoni> hello
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[17:08] <sqrrl> can anyone confirm that there's no libncursesw5-dev package for rpi please
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[19:05] <vfw> What packages are necessary for nfs?
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[19:07] <vfw> [warn] Not starting: portmapper is not running ... (warning).
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[19:15] <vfw> exportfs: can't lock /var/lib/nfs/etab for writing
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[19:20] <sqrrl> (nevermind my question, wrong dpkg setting)
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[19:24] <vfw> what is the correct way to change hostname
[19:24] <vfw> ?
[19:24] <vfw> Perminately
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[19:25] <vfw> *Permanently*
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[19:32] <sney> vfw: edit /etc/hostname, and use the hostname command
[19:32] <sney> or edit /etc/hostname and reboot
[19:32] <sney> make sure you update /etc/hosts as well.
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[19:45] <vfw> Thanks.
[19:45] <vfw> Now, how do I get nfs to work?
[19:45] <vfw> Not starting: portmapper is not running ...
[19:46] <vfw> http://paste.debian.net/43200
[19:48] <sney> I haven't used nfs much. is there something in /etc/default that's preventing it from running by default?
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[20:06] <vfw> so should I just change the instances of portmap to rpcbind in /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server ?
[20:07] <vfw> I guess it won't hurt to try. Right? I suppose it should be reported ...
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[20:35] <vfw> it appears that the installed version of nfsd that I've installed (via apt-get) requires rpcbind but it is not starting, (it is installed but not starting).
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[20:43] <vfw> doing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure rpcbind nfs-kernel-server Results: http://paste.debian.net/43219/
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[20:46] <tdlx_> hello all
[20:47] <tdlx_> any way to kill all unused services to fre up CPU power for xbmc?
[20:51] <vfw> I just added a couple of lines to /etc/rc.local to fix it for now. We can figure out what is wrong later.
[20:51] <vfw> starting rcpbind and restarting nfs-kernel-server in /etc/rc.local
[20:52] <vfw> Maybe a bug report is in order?
[20:52] <vfw> But, for now, I've got what I want so...
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[21:09] <vfw> I also see: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12131&p=412731
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[21:12] <nschle85> has anybody tried wayland on raspi ?
[21:13] <nschle85> is there any performance improvement playing videos using vlc ?
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[21:14] <sney> not from wayland
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[21:14] <sney> anything you do in software on a raspberry pi is going to be slow. if you want quicker video playback, use omxplayer, it actually uses the gpu
[21:17] <nschle85> sney: I know. but omx played videos does not support overlay. the missing thing is XV . does wayland support XV ?
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