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[0:02] <crumb> ershan: libc6-dev is already the newest version
[0:02] <crumb> i don't even have a bits/ directory in /usr/include/
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[0:10] <crumb> alright, i got it
[0:10] <crumb> had to symlink /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf/bits/ to /usr/include
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[2:08] <ershan> okay, solved my problem. I followed http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation and just hardcoded (no modules, no possibly disparate versions, no shortcuts with module symbols one could endlessly speculate on when/how were made, etc).
[2:08] <ershan> so now I have a kernel with usbip hardcoded in
[2:09] <ershan> (well, no usbpi modules. otherwise, I just copied the existing /proc/config.gz to avoid issues)
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[5:08] <KsM> Is the armhf kernel that raspbian uses compatible with soft float
[5:08] <KsM> i.e. can I run programs compiled without hardfloat / with softfloat forced on
[5:10] <hifi> no
[5:11] <hifi> I think, I'm not actually sure, ignore me
[5:12] <KsM> according to some sources it look like it can but I'm not sure either
[5:22] <KsM> hm
[5:22] <KsM> is there somewhere I can get the raspbian kernel.img
[5:23] <KsM> assuming hardfp is compatible with the softfp, I could use the raspbian kernel with my current debian softfloat install
[5:23] <KsM> I don't feel running dd all over again if I can get away with doing this
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[5:42] <hifi> KsM: raspbian has two possible kernel sources and many different kernel versions
[5:43] <hifi> KsM: the foundation built raspbian images use the foundation kernel.img that is available from the foundation github repository, the raspbian kernel package itself is very rarely used
[5:43] <KsM> oh
[5:44] <hifi> raspbian-ua-netinst is the only installer that directly suggest using the raspbian kernel, almost all others default to foundation kernel
[5:45] <KsM> so I suppose just dump the kernel.img from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[5:45] <KsM> backup the old one first though, then backup /etc/modules, then copy https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/modules as well?
[5:47] <KsM> er, /lib/modules not /etc/modules
[5:49] <hifi> what are you trying to achieve
[5:49] <hifi> you probably already have it
[5:49] <KsM> I have the debian softfloat image
[5:49] <hifi> so you try to see if it blows up?
[5:49] <hifi> though, why do you try to use softfloat with hardfloat?
[5:50] <hifi> why not just switch to full hardfloat
[5:50] <KsM> well I'm assuming the hardfloat kernel might support softfloat binaries
[5:50] <KsM> I don't feel like having to dd the image all over again and having to backup all my configs and stuff
[5:50] <KsM> I'm only trying to run a couple programs and trying to see if hardfloat might make them run faster
[5:51] <hifi> you use it as a desktop?
[5:51] <KsM> no
[5:52] <hifi> if you don't run it as a desktop then I suggest raspbian-ua-netinst as the installer of choice
[5:52] <hifi> it installs a minimal raspbian system in around 15 minutes
[5:52] <hifi> after you break your system
[5:53] <KsM> well I'm only modifying the kernel and modules, and they're both being backed up
[5:53] <hifi> you don't strictly need the modules to boot the system
[5:53] <hifi> if you're just testing
[5:53] <hifi> the kernel has all the important drivers built-in
[6:00] <KsM> Well, here I go
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[6:03] <KsM> Interesting
[6:04] <hifi> so you run softfloat userland on top of hardfloat kernel?
[6:05] <KsM> Unless I screwed it up, I guess so
[6:08] <KsM> I guess I could run minecraft to test for sure, previously it'd not run and give errors
[6:08] <KsM> well not errors but "no such file or directory
[6:09] <KsM> which I'm getting again now so I guess I failed
[6:09] <KsM> yay.
[6:09] <KsM> Well I'll just move everything back and forget about trying to do this again
[6:11] <hifi> a) install using raspbian-ua-netinst b) install openjdk-7-jre-headless c) ??? d) profit!
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[6:17] <hifi> (also icedtea-7-jre-jamvm might be an interesting choice for minecraft server)
[6:17] <KsM> I tried that and it was too slow to run
[6:18] <hifi> I doubt you did exactly that
[6:18] <KsM> and I was using spigot which I heard was supposed to act like the typical minecraft server, but a bit more slimmed down
[6:19] <KsM> well to test just now, no, I used the one from https://pi.minecraft.net/
[6:19] <KsM> since iirc that's just a binary compiled with hardfloat
[6:20] <hifi> I think people have run a MC server on the pi but it's not that surprising it can't run it well
[6:20] <hifi> when people use quad core servers with 16GB of RAM for that
[6:21] <KsM> heh, yeah
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[6:22] <KsM> I was thinking I could get at least myself on the server, but nope, it took nearly half an hour just to load set up the spawn area and upon connecting it just lagged a ton
[6:22] <hifi> it shouldn't be that bad
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[6:22] <hifi> seriously, run a hardfloat userland, try jamvm and the actual MC server jar
[6:22] <hifi> raspbian-ua-netinst helps with getting most out of the hardware
[6:23] <crumb> so if i intend to compile something for raspbian, i should use gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf?
[6:23] <hifi> crumb: cross-compile on compile on the device itself?
[6:23] <crumb> cross-compile
[6:24] <hifi> no info on that, sorry
[6:24] <crumb> i tried arm-bcm2708-linux-gnueabi earlier but the ldd kept returning "not a dynamic executable" on the compied binary
[6:25] <hifi> none of those probably build armhf binaries that target the pi cpu
[6:26] <crumb> i got it from here https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools
[6:27] <hifi> tried the bcm2708hardfp one?
[6:27] <KsM> >If you want to reinstall with the same settings you did your first install you can just move the original config.txt back and reboot.
[6:27] <hifi> that sounds like raspbian wheezy
[6:27] <hifi> KsM: that has nothing to do with your actual system
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[6:27] <KsM> So, if I do that I'll basically keep my /etc and just go from debian-softfloat to raspbian?
[6:28] <hifi> no, it just reinstalls using the same settings that were selected for the first install of raspbian-ua-netinst, raspbian-ua-netinst always installs a fresh system
[6:28] <KsM> oh
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[8:24] <th0rsten> Hello. I am trying to cross compile opencv projecs for my raspberry pi. I compiled opencv on the raspberry pi and copied all includes and libaries to my desktop pc. When I try to compile I get linker errors and a warning that libz.so.1 is not found. I copied that too but I am not sure how I get eclipse to recognize the library
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[9:54] <snoopybbt> hello people
[9:54] <snoopybbt> i just got a raspberry pi this morning
[9:54] <snoopybbt> i've alredy been using debian in the past
[9:54] <snoopybbt> i would like to know if there's a plain raspbian image available somewhere for a 4GB sd card
[9:54] <snoopybbt> with a basic installation, nothing more than base system and openssh server
[9:55] <snoopybbt> i have no hdmi-enabled monitor at the moment, my monitor is vga only
[9:55] <shiftplusone> snoopybbt, I am not sure how up to date those are. It would be best to use this installer https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst but there is this minimal image here www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=42667
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[9:58] <snoopybbt> shiftplusone: many thanks
[9:58] * azeem had trouble with the latest www.raspberrypi.org raspbian images, but the raspbian-ua-netinst one went fine
[9:59] <azeem> YMMV
[9:59] <snoopybbt> shiftplusone: i see that raspbian project is noticed from raspberry pi foundation
[9:59] <snoopybbt> what's the difference between the two distros ?
[9:59] <azeem> eh
[9:59] <azeem> which distros?
[9:59] <azeem> raspian is a distro, raspberry pi foundation is a foundation
[9:59] <shiftplusone> yw
[9:59] <shiftplusone> snoopybbt, the foundation uses raspbian to make their own images.
[10:00] <shiftplusone> snoopybbt, which have a lot of unnecessary things pre-installed.
[10:00] <azeem> there might still be an old Debian-based foundation image, but I don't think it's encouraged to use that
[10:00] <azeem> (pre-raspbian I mean, based on softfloat or whatever)
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[11:05] <asdasd> hello... a happy PiBang user here!
[11:06] <asdasd> You can even browse the web like normal, using Midori + my own $third-party,script,domain=~... filter.
[11:07] <asdasd> 12 tabs open at the moment...
[11:08] <Vostok> what's pibang
[11:09] <asdasd> PiBang is based on Raspbian by the way, with for-school stuff picked out and with a CrushBang base-system (built from scratch, and not actually based on CrunshBang, I guess)
[11:10] <asdasd> but no iceweasel pre-installed (though it provides a link to an installation script) ^^
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[11:12] <asdasd> Midori is much faster for Raspi, but it has no noscript plug-in, to block third-party scripts, which slows down browsing considerably... but thankfully it has a complete AdBlockPlus implementation, allowing you to block scripts like thus: $third-party, script (blocks all third-party scripts)
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[14:25] <timmmaaaayyy> http://pastebin.com/5x1AWEbu -- anyone know what these errors might be all about? it just started doing this recently?
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[14:36] <sney> timmmaaaayyy: looks like omxplayer is having trouble initializing the gpu.
[14:37] <timmmaaaayyy> i only does it for certain new shows....the rest play just fine. any idea why that might be the case?
[14:37] <sney> some codec mismatch possibly
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[15:13] <GuySoft> hey all, in the release notes, what does "Updated to current top of tree firmware" mean?
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[15:28] <shiftplusone> There are release notes? O_o Could you clarify your question? Based on what you have said alone, it means the the firmware has been updated to the same version as in https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[16:34] <crumb> do you have to use the linaro toolchain to compile stuff for raspbian
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[17:07] <GlassGhost> hi
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[18:13] <StathisA> i'm trying to automate some folder deletion based on dates...how can i "find" folders older than e.g 30 days and delete them???
[18:15] <shiftplusone> StathisA, hint: -mtime ...
[18:16] <shiftplusone> -mtime +30 should be for 30 days.
[18:17] <shiftplusone> hm, though that's last modified, not created time.
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[18:47] <GlassGhost> hi
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[18:56] <yang> I am wondering how is the case with XORG with HDMI output
[18:56] <yang> if its being plugged onto LCD TV
[18:56] <yang> and how is with the sound there
[18:57] <yang> Which "package" would I basically need to make it work ?
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[21:37] <mist__> Anyone use ipsec with raspbian? i can't figure out how to enable logging
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[21:59] <gnarface> yang: try omxplayer
[22:00] <gnarface> yang: it has a command-line option to set which audio output to use
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[22:29] <yang> thanks
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