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[0:13] * Topic is 'Raspbian -- Debian hard float for the Raspberry Pi: http://www.raspbian.org/ Logs at: http://plugwash.raspbian.org/logs/ looking for mirrors in asia, africa and south america'
[0:13] * Set by plugwash!~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::1a3 on Mon Dec 10 22:15:29 UTC 2012
[0:13] <plugwash> and deb_release is?
[0:13] <shiftplusone> wheezy
[0:14] <viticleri> deb_release="wheezy"
[0:14] <plugwash> does it say anything about why it can't download the packages?
[0:15] <viticleri> yes
[0:15] <viticleri> W: Couldn't download package bash (ver 4.2+dfsg-0.1 arch armhf)
[0:15] <viticleri> for example
[0:15] <viticleri> no
[0:15] <viticleri> sorry
[0:15] <viticleri> i misunderstood your question
[0:16] <plugwash> what happens if you try
[0:16] <plugwash> wget http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/b/bash/bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1_armhf.deb
[0:17] <viticleri> downloaded OK
[0:17] <shiftplusone> earlier you said <viticleri> too many packages coudnt be downloaded !!!
[0:17] <viticleri> 2014-01-02 01:20:24 (606 KB/s) - s'ha desat «bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1_armhf.deb» [1439374/1439374]
[0:17] <shiftplusone> is that a message you got?
[0:18] <viticleri> s'ha desat (is downloaded!)
[0:18] <shiftplusone> actually, nvrm
[0:18] * plugwash would try the boostrap again
[0:18] <viticleri> nvrm??
[0:19] <shiftplusone> 'never mind' my question wasn't helpful.
[0:19] <plugwash> and it it still doesn't work try using either archive.raspbian.org or a specific mirror rather than mirrordirector.raspbian.org
[0:21] <viticleri> plugwash: could you be a little bit more specific with the mirror?
[0:21] <viticleri> archive.raspbian.org
[0:22] <plugwash> just use archive.raspbian.org instead of mirrordirector.raspbian.org
[0:24] <shiftplusone> viticleri, the mirrordirector version tries to find a mirror for you to distribute the load and there are things that can go wrong. archive.raspbian.org, on the other hand, is a direct URL which is known to be good. (Correct me if that explanation is bad, plugwash)
[0:25] <viticleri> E: Failed getting release file http://archive.raspbian.org/dists/wheezy/Release
[0:25] <viticleri> its wheezy ok?
[0:25] <shiftplusone> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian, not just http://archive.raspbian.org
[0:29] <viticleri> W: Couldn't download package bash (ver 4.2+dfsg-0.1 arch armhf)
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[0:29] <viticleri> the same happens with the other packages
[0:29] <shiftplusone> is there a way to get debootstrap to be more verbose?
[0:30] <shiftplusone> --verbose
[0:31] <viticleri> catch it!
[0:31] <viticleri> (that is not go on jeje!)
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[0:35] <shiftplusone> viticleri, I just ran the debootstrap as you've written it. It downloaded bash just fine.
[0:35] <shiftplusone> seeing if it will run to the end
[0:35] <viticleri> this --verbose option doesnt give more info than before sorry
[0:36] <shiftplusone> just guessing now... do you have enough free space?
[0:37] <viticleri> thinked the same
[0:37] <viticleri> but yes
[0:38] <viticleri> another try
[0:39] <shiftplusone> bootstrap worked just fine here, so there's some problem on your end
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[0:43] <viticleri> you were right !!!
[0:43] <shiftplusone> about? O_o
[0:44] <viticleri> changed the directory now is retrieving correctly
[0:44] <viticleri> about space
[0:44] <shiftplusone> oh
[0:44] <viticleri> sorry
[0:45] <shiftplusone> heh, np. I am just surprised that I was right.
[0:45] <viticleri> All sums. All keep learn!
[0:48] <viticleri> SD waiting to be witten!
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[0:52] <viticleri> shiftplusone: so http://archive.raspbian.org/dists/wheezy/Release has the compiled binaries for the specai rpi armv6 that debian doesn't, right?
[0:53] <viticleri> specai --> special
[0:53] <shiftplusone> yes, that's the Raspbian distro which is debian compiled for the pi.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> *raspbian repo
[0:53] <viticleri> learnt a lot tnks!
[0:54] <shiftplusone> np
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[0:58] <viticleri> it's out of topic ask for what does "Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh" ??? (in few words!)
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> it downloads the latest bleeding edge firmware, kernel and userland stuff
[0:59] <shiftplusone> that stuff already comes packaged, so it's not really necessary
[0:59] <shiftplusone> (unless there's a specific version of firmware you're after)
[1:00] <viticleri> i must do my homeworks ...
[1:02] <shiftplusone> That's good. A lot of people don't bother using google or even trying to understand the answers they get, so they just keep asking the same question over and over phrased slightly differently even though it has been answered
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[1:03] <shiftplusone> well... I am just thinking of one person in specific there
[1:03] <shiftplusone> which gnarface has been patient enough to try to help somehow.
[1:04] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: those sorts of people annoy me. lots.
[1:05] <shiftplusone> I tend to take a break from IRC when I start getting annoyed, heh.
[1:05] <SirLagz> is it wrong of me to want people to at least google something before asking the question ?
[1:07] <shiftplusone> heh
[1:08] <SirLagz> especially when it's something obvious that when you google it, the first 10000 results have the exact answer that you're looking for !
[1:08] <SirLagz> anyway. enough venting.
[1:08] <SirLagz> back to work.
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[1:10] <shiftplusone> For balance though, you do sometimes get some very arrogant and unhelpful replies from people who think they understand the question and assume you're the idiot, when they only skimmed over the keywords and didn't event try to understand the question.
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[1:11] * shiftplusone wishes that a "how to give smart answers" link was given out as much as the "how to ask smart questions" one.
[1:11] <SirLagz> that is true.
[1:12] <SirLagz> that is why I'm always asking questions to make sure *I* understand the question that they're asking.
[1:13] <shiftplusone> We had a discussion about that a while back. About wether it's best to answer the actual question asked or to answer the question that they maybe should've asked.
[1:15] <shiftplusone> "How would I make my own OS?" was the example. Do you talk about bare metal programming, linux from scratch, bootstrapping, customizing an existing image or what? 'course it's much better to figure out what they are actually asking before trying to give an answer.
[1:15] <viticleri> shiftplusone: It Works!!! Thanks!!!
[1:15] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: exactly
[1:15] <shiftplusone> viticleri, booted into it and everything?
[1:16] <viticleri> yes
[1:16] <shiftplusone> =)
[1:16] <viticleri> ;-)
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[1:20] <viticleri> SirLagz: when my sons ask trivial thinks to me i could not say every time "search the web son!". They need a good teacher with a warm explanation (but I understand you)
[1:20] <SirLagz> viticleri: that's different though.
[1:20] <viticleri> yes i now
[1:20] <SirLagz> viticleri: I'm talking about grown adults who ought to be able to think on their own
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[1:21] <viticleri> you're right!
[1:21] <viticleri> the middle way is always difficult!
[1:22] <shiftplusone> 'the middle way', ey? You a Buddhist or something?
[1:23] <viticleri> jejejejeje
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[1:24] <viticleri> i'm just a humble man ... thanks shiftplusone
[1:24] <viticleri> must go to sleep
[1:24] <shiftplusone> ah, well. 'the middle way' is like a central teaching in buddhism >_<
[1:24] <shiftplusone> anyway, 'night
[1:24] <viticleri> yes
[1:24] <SirLagz> night !
[1:24] <viticleri> you're right
[1:25] <viticleri> if you pull too much the string will broke!
[1:25] <shiftplusone> yup
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[1:26] <viticleri> good night! see you in a good next time, sure!
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[8:14] <kingi> is there someway to remotely backup my raspbian so that if the sd gets corrupted i can just copy paste a working version?
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[8:15] <SirLagz> kingi: yes. rsync everything to a remote share
[8:16] <kingi> and it'll work when i copypaste it back ?
[8:17] <SirLagz> should do.
[8:17] <kingi> second question, any idea why my rpi disconnects ssh connection and mumble server closes the connection for a short time but often. appearantly the internet connection doesnt go fully down because my irssi doesnt drop
[8:19] <SirLagz> sounds like something is dropping out, but not long enough for irc to drop out
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[8:22] <kingi> is there any way to check if it's the internet connection acting up or the rpi
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[9:31] <dwatkins> kingi: check the system log in /var/log for one
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[10:17] <ShorTie> mornin guys
[10:17] <ShorTie> other then --prefix=/usr is there anything else special in the configure of jpeg-6b1 ??
[10:19] <ShorTie> i can't seem to find libjpeg.so.62 for arch, so trying to whip it up myself
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[10:28] <kingi> which log would show a failure in the internet connection?
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[11:11] <dwatkins> depends on the nature of the problem, kingi - if it's an issue with the local network interface, the syslog might mention something
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[11:13] <kingi> mumble log didnt reveal anything useful
[11:13] <kingi> just a timeout and connection closed to user
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[13:00] <kingi> hmm
[13:01] <kingi> how do i ban an ip from ssh'ing my rpi
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[13:01] <kingi> noticed that 95.0.17.11.dynamic.ttnet.com.tr has been trying different usernames
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[13:09] <kingi> hmm
[13:09] <kingi> installed denyhosts
[13:09] <kingi> hope that solved it
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[13:12] <kingi> btw what's raspbians equivalent of systemctl
[13:12] <kingi> how to see services currently running
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[13:26] <shiftplusone> kingi, update-rc.d or something like that.
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[13:27] <shiftplusone> and look up fail2ban and such
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[13:30] <shiftplusone> sshguard is another one
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[13:45] <kingi> wont denyhosts be enough?
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[13:51] <shiftplusone> same sort of thing
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[15:17] <zGrr> moin :)
[15:18] <kingi> and a new one
[15:18] <kingi> seems like ssh break in attempts are common when u keep ssh in port 22
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> kingi, this is not a new discovery.
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[15:39] <SwK> kingi: fail2ban and the like look at invalid login attempts in a fixed period of time, and if you exceed the threshold, it fires commands that are useful for things like blocking the offending host in iptables etc
[15:40] <SwK> and what gordonDrogon said… ssh dictionary attacks are extremely common, so much they are almost noise floor these days
[15:42] <gnarface> kingi: disable password authentication and root access in the sshd_config
[15:42] <gnarface> kingi: feel free to blacklist the bastards too, but the important part is not giving them a chance to get in
[15:43] <gnarface> kingi: if you always use sufficient length keys, you should be safe
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[15:49] * shiftplusone hasn't had any bots trying to connect after changing the port
[15:49] <gnarface> heh, that works too but on large production networks that's often considered rude
[15:49] <shiftplusone> though I still run fail2ban and only allow key logins for users.
[15:50] <gnarface> generally i prefer though to not leave ssh open at all from the outside, and use openvpn instead
[15:50] <gnarface> or at least, only allow ssh from one static off-site "emergency access" ip address while pushing everything else through openvpn
[15:51] <shiftplusone> I should give setting up openvpn a go one day.
[15:51] <shiftplusone> I usually make it as far as opening the documentation, thinking tl;dr and playing dwarf fortress instead.
[15:51] <gnarface> once you get it working, its certainly quite a lot nicer than tunneling and ssh key forwarding
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[16:02] <dym> Hey everyone. Can I use raspbian to stream media from my Apple iMac to my TV via the local network?
[16:02] <gnarface> dym: yes
[16:03] <dym> gnarface: What would be needed on the mac?
[16:03] <gnarface> dym: media in the right format
[16:03] <dym> Which would be?
[16:04] <gnarface> h264
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[16:04] <dym> okay, so random video in mixed format wont work?
[16:04] <dym> and would i need additional software on the mac?
[16:05] <gnarface> the mac should have everything you need already, but to deal with "random video in mixed format" depending on formats (and assuming you don't want to buy extra codec keys for the pi) you will likely need a copy of mencoder or ffmpeg... everything else about the "streaming" part can be done with stuff already natively included
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[16:05] <dym> okay, ffmpeg shouldnt be the problem. This would be for live encoding right?
[16:06] <gnarface> yea the idea would be you'd encode on the fly then pipe to netcat or something like that
[16:06] <dym> :D for each movie
[16:06] <dym> is there some sort of software that does this?
[16:06] <gnarface> or you could just pre-encode all of them
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[16:07] <gnarface> uh... i'm not sure if xmbc does it or not
[16:07] <gnarface> mythtv does but i'm not sure how well mythtv runs on the pi
[16:07] <dym> im just looking for a way to play the movies on my hd on the television without much hassle
[16:07] <dym> a pi seemed logical
[16:07] <gnarface> it depends largely on your definition of hassle
[16:08] <gnarface> its definitely a lot less hassle to use something the pi can already play well (h264)
[16:08] <gnarface> its worth checking xmbc though
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[17:04] <lastfuture> hello
[17:05] <lastfuture> I have a raspberry pi running raspbian that is connected to my network via wlan0 and has one device connected to eth0. eth0 has a static IP and access to the ethernet device. Can I somehow route the connected device's port 80 through to my wlan?
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[17:05] <tfox> exclamation 1. used as a greeting or to begin a telephone conversation.
[17:06] <shiftplusone> lastfuture, yeah, using iptables.
[17:06] <tfox> why don't you connect your rpi to a switch and save yourself a boatload of trouble
[17:06] <lastfuture> shiftplusone: thanks, that may already be enough of a pointer to find the necessary resources
[17:06] <tfox> maybe I misunderstood your problem
[17:07] <lastfuture> tfox: because I use it mainly to receive sound via wifi away from the router
[17:07] <lastfuture> I just thought it could also do this second task while it's idling
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[17:07] <tfox> what kind of device is it connected to
[17:07] <lastfuture> the connected ethernet device is a network camera
[17:07] <shiftplusone> lastfuture, I haven't looked through it in detail, but skimming through it seems to indicate it may be what you're after http://www.ridinglinux.org/2008/05/21/simple-port-forwarding-with-iptables-in-linux/
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[17:08] <lastfuture> shiftplusone: thanks. I'll use that to get going.
[17:09] <tfox> oh I see. you want it to bridge
[17:09] <lastfuture> tfox: yes that's the word I was looking for
[17:09] <lastfuture> I want the network camera's internal server to be accessible via wifi
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[17:10] <lastfuture> I can already reach it using lynx on the pi
[17:10] <tfox> that's kinda clever. it doesn't have wifi built in huh
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[17:10] <lastfuture> it's kinda old, I got it for free. It also has a serial port and setup instructions for setting it up to dial a modem :D
[17:11] <lastfuture> 640x480 at 10 fps, but you don't look a gift horse in the mouth
[17:12] <tfox> dooooood
[17:12] <tfox> I guess, but I throw away smartphones that could do better than that and have built in wifi
[17:13] <tfox> WAY better than that
[17:13] <lastfuture> I have fun playing with old stuff. it has ports to interface with it and turn it on and off using sensors like IR or capacitive touch
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[17:13] <tfox> probably kinda novel hanging around in 1985 though
[17:13] <lastfuture> if I don't find a good use for it I'll throw it away
[17:14] <lastfuture> but for now I want to get it to work and play
[17:16] <tfox> plenty of good uses for any kind of camera
[17:16] <tfox> not a terrible use of the pi either
[17:16] <tfox> I'm using mine as a NAS, but it can't host any hard drives since the USB isn't powerful enough, so I have to NFS mount them from another machine
[17:20] <lastfuture> mine is primarily an airplay receiver right now
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[20:18] <Ubuntivity> Hello. Sorry if this is not the best place to ask, but what happens if I connect 4VDC to my RPi? Will it get permanent damage? or it will simply not work for the moment.
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[20:19] <janPasi> Ubuntivity: I remember reading that it might bork your sd-card
[20:20] <janPasi> though I can
[20:20] <janPasi> 't rember where I read it from
[20:20] <janPasi> (weird keyboard layout, sorry)
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[20:21] <janPasi> rember :D how many typos can one fit in a short text like that :D
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[20:28] <gnarface> Ubuntivity: just use any 5V 1A cellphone charger (most the usb-enabled ones these days)
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[20:28] <gnarface> Ubuntivity: if you're leaving it on for a long time though watch it for overheating (some of them weren't meant for extended duration use)
[20:33] <hououina> My raspberrypi is connected to my tv with a composite cable. The terminal window is so much to the left that I can't see the leftmost part of it. How do I fix that?
[20:34] <noder2> I know that most Apple iPhone chargers are good - 5V 1A and microUSB
[20:36] <gnarface> hououina: there are overscan settings you can put in /boot/config.txt, look here: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[21:26] <lastfuture> thanks to whoever gave me the pointer to iptables for port forwarding between interfaces earlier. after a lot of trial and error I've finally pulled it off
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[21:58] <shiftplusone> lastfuture, awesome.
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[21:59] <lastfuture> unfortunately the network camera is really bad, something on the inside of the filter above the sensor is making it all blurry (as if something oily crept inside over the years)
[22:00] <shiftplusone> your pixel lube is leaking
[22:01] <lastfuture> I'll try to remove the filter. if the camera breaks it won't be a terrible loss
[22:01] <shiftplusone> Change the lens gasket, top up with new pixel fluid and you should be good. (Yeah, I am not very helpful)
[22:02] <lastfuture> can't open the sensor assembly to get a hold of the backside of the filter for cleaningunfortunately
[22:02] <lastfuture> I'll also have to try out what this hidden switch does that's soldered onto the PCB
[22:02] <lastfuture> unaccessible from the outside
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[22:11] <lastfuture> whoa awesome, I removed the glass filter and everything is sharp now, and it's picking up infra red
[22:11] <lastfuture> my black shirt is light grey
[22:11] <lastfuture> my hair is grey
[22:12] <lastfuture> the image is pink though
[22:12] <lastfuture> but this is awesome :D
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[22:16] <gnarface> neato
[22:16] <gnarface> x-ray camera
[22:16] <gnarface> thin shirts will be transparent in the sunlight
[22:17] * shiftplusone wonders why gnarface knows that -_-;
[22:17] <gnarface> that's not what is important
[22:18] <shiftplusone> heh
[22:18] <lastfuture> because of those x-ray-vision glasses from old comic book catalog ads
[22:18] <gnarface> what is important is i passed the information along instead of keeping it secret
[22:18] <lastfuture> gnarface: transparent shirts combined with network camera equals should I point this at the neighbor's window and watch from work? :D
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[22:20] <gnarface> lastfuture: its an issue with pretty much any digital camera - its actually harder to manufacture them so they properly filter non-visible light spectrums, and the cheaper they are the cheaper the mechanisms for doing so are
[22:21] <gnarface> so say, net cameras it might just have a silly plastic filter over the optical element that you can simply remove
[22:21] <lastfuture> gnarface: the filter was actually quite thick glass, I pryed open the plastic frame holding it in place
[22:21] <gnarface> yea i think higher end cameras might to it digitally though
[22:21] <gnarface> it affects color accuracy, as you can see
[22:21] <lastfuture> just to get rid of it because it was dirty inside for which ever reason
[22:22] <lastfuture> gnarface: yeah, this camera is from 2002 I think
[22:22] <lastfuture> 640x480 at 10 fps baby
[22:22] <lastfuture> it looks like it was expensive once
[22:23] <gnarface> yea that would have been pretty much early technology
[22:24] <gnarface> these days i think they have got better techniques
[22:24] <lastfuture> I'm sure
[22:24] <gnarface> i don't know a lot about it i just know that it was industry response to the general complaints that it was too easy to use them as "x-ray" cameras
[22:24] <lastfuture> at least I had the option to set it up via ethernet instead of having to use its serial port
[22:25] <lastfuture> in theory it can be connected to a modem and dial out periodically :D
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[22:28] <lastfuture> ah well thanks to the pi I can use it (somewhat) wirelessly instead of having to thread an ethernet cable to wherever I need it to be
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[22:40] <lastfuture> quick look at infrared network cam vs. real life http://www.lastfuture.de/temp/infrared-vs-reality.jpg
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[23:40] <karni64> Hi, can someone assist me>
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[23:44] <viticleri> hi
[23:44] <karni64> hello
[23:44] <viticleri> doing my homeworks!
[23:44] <karni64> nice lol
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[23:47] <viticleri> To sum up, persistence makes all the difference (and a high frustration threshold certainly helps). As in all endeavors, learning from mistakes is critically important. Each misstep, every failure contributes to the body of knowledge that will lead to mastery of the art of building software.
[23:48] <viticleri> ( Mendel Cooper)
[23:48] <karni64> Can someone tell me how to auto-login with Rasbian WITHOUT starting the WM
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