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[2:40] <janPasi> i seem to be missing a lib from my raspbian
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[2:40] <janPasi> omxplayer.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libavutil.so.52: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[2:41] <janPasi> there is libavutil51 in the repos, but no 52
[2:41] <janPasi> omxplayer seems to work ok, though
[2:41] <KD8SKZ> try to apt-get, and then update, see if that gets you from 51 to 52
[2:43] <hououina> How do you put an overscan setting into /boot/config.txt?
[2:43] <janPasi> i upgraded raspbian yesterday and that
[2:43] <janPasi> gave me new omxplayer
[2:43] <janPasi> but no new libavutil
[2:45] <KD8SKZ> figures
[2:45] <janPasi> and it doesn
[2:45] <janPasi> 't seem to upgrade libavutil today either
[2:46] <janPasi> (this keyboard has enter in the wrong place :D)
[2:47] <janPasi> hououina: you become root, open /boot/config.txt in text editorof your choice
[2:47] <hououina> How do you become root?
[2:48] <janPasi> then find lines that say overscan_ and adjust them as needed
[2:48] <KD8SKZ> sudo
[2:48] <janPasi> hououina: open terminal and type sudo su
[2:49] <janPasi> then you will need to launch the text editor from that terminal window, naturally
[2:51] <KD8SKZ> hououina: I would use nano over vi as your text editor....it seems to be more user friendly
[2:51] <hououina> janPasi it says no passwd entry for user /boot/config.txt.
[2:51] <janPasi> you did it wrong
[2:51] <janPasi> so you have a terminal open now
[2:51] <janPasi> just type sudo su and hit enter
[2:51] <hououina> mmhmm.
[2:52] <janPasi> now you should be root (the $ in prompt changes to #)
[2:52] <janPasi> after that type nano /boot/config.txt
[2:52] <janPasi> and hit enter
[2:52] <janPasi> that opens the config.txt in nano text-editor
[2:53] <janPasi> once it
[2:54] <janPasi> 's open
[2:54] <janPasi> find the lines that deal with overscan and change them as needed
[2:54] <janPasi> you will need to remove the # mark from the beginning of the overscan lines
[2:55] <hououina> janPasi my screen is too far to the left and i cant fully read the directions. it says uncomment the followint to adjust overscan.
[2:55] <hououina> By uncomment, what does it mean?
[2:55] <janPasi> it means remove the # mark
[2:55] <janPasi> from the beginning of the lines
[2:55] <janPasi> that's called comment-mark
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[2:56] <janPasi> you uncomment things bu removing the comment-mark
[2:56] <hououina> ok, then what? it didn't make it move to the right.
[2:56] <janPasi> no, not yet
[2:56] <janPasi> hit ctrl+x to save the file
[2:57] <janPasi> it will ask "save modified buffer... blah blah blah..."
[2:57] <hououina> What do i do next?
[2:58] <janPasi> hit y
[2:58] <janPasi> then hit enter
[2:58] <hououina> i mean after that.
[2:58] <janPasi> reboot
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[2:58] <janPasi> you might need to play the overscan values to find good settings
[2:58] <janPasi> *with
[3:01] <hououina> I typed reboot and it asked if i want to save it under a different name.
[3:01] <janPasi> you're not out of the editor yet
[3:01] <hououina> I'm guessing i should save it under a different name.
[3:01] <janPasi> you don't want to save it under another name
[3:02] <janPasi> no, you need to save it as config.txt
[3:03] <janPasi> i.e. the same name it had
[3:03] <hououina> ok i think i did that part now do i need to reboot?
[3:04] <janPasi> if you're out of editor with the file saved as config.txt under /boot directory, then yes
[3:04] <janPasi> reboot
[3:05] <janPasi> if not, rinse and repeat ;D
[3:05] <hououina> ok i rebooted.
[3:05] <janPasi> how's the screen?
[3:06] <hououina> It's still the same too far to the left :(
[3:06] <janPasi> has it moved at all?
[3:06] <hououina> it doesn't look like it.
[3:07] <janPasi> i suspect you didn't save the file correctly, so try again
[3:07] <janPasi> when exiting nano, make sure you hit Ctrl+X, then y, then enter
[3:08] <janPasi> and also check that disable_overscan=1 line is commented out (i.e. it has # mark in the beginning)
[3:09] <hououina> Does it matter if right is on a different line than left?
[3:09] <janPasi> what do you mean by that?
[3:09] <janPasi> overscan_right and overscan_left?
[3:09] <hououina> yes
[3:10] <janPasi> they should definitely be on different lines
[3:11] <hououina> ok now do i hit ctrl x?
[3:11] <janPasi> yep
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[3:13] <hououina> janPasi
[3:13] <hououina> it says that the file operation is finished but there are some errors.
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[3:13] <janPasi> erm... what...?! :D
[3:14] <janPasi> where does it say that?
[3:15] <hououina> It says error moving file: not a directory
[3:15] <hououina> The first time i clicked on the lxterminal.
[3:16] <hououina> second time i clicked, it went to the terminal and nothing changed.
[3:16] <KD8SKZ> hououina are you just trying to turn overscan off or are you just trying to change your left and right?
[3:16] <janPasi> oh, could that be pcmanfm
[3:16] <janPasi> perhaps you accidentaly moved the lxterminal icon a bit
[3:16] <hououina> I am trying to move the screen to the right.
[3:17] <KD8SKZ> ok...never mind then, i have no other useful info then...lol
[3:20] <janPasi> i don't think that message is related to editing config.txt
[3:21] <janPasi> afaik nano doesn't give error messages like that
[3:21] <janPasi> nor does the shell
[3:22] <hououina> maybe i need to change the number to a higher one.
[3:22] <KD8SKZ> dosen't look like an error message i have ever gotten, should know I see enough of them :-/
[3:22] <janPasi> possibly, but you should see some change at least
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[3:23] <janPasi> i think pcmanfm (the file manager) just thought you wanted to copy/move the lxterminal icon somewere
[3:23] <janPasi> over another icon perhaps
[3:23] <janPasi> and since that's not possible you got an error
[3:24] <janPasi> basically that's the way it goes:
[3:24] <janPasi> 1) Open terminal
[3:24] <janPasi> 2) become root
[3:24] <janPasi> 3) edit the file + save it
[3:24] <janPasi> 4) reboot
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[3:28] <hououina> Wow. I really can't figure this out.
[3:29] <janPasi> can you see the changes you made in config.txt?
[3:29] <janPasi> when you re-open it?
[3:29] <hououina> no.
[3:29] <janPasi> something isn't going right then
[3:30] <janPasi> are you sure you're root?
[3:30] <hououina> Does everything have to be uncommented or just the thing i want to change?
[3:30] <janPasi> definitely not everything
[3:31] <janPasi> if you want to change overscan settings, uncomment the overscan_ lines
[3:31] <janPasi> and also make sure that the disable_overscan line is commented
[3:32] <janPasi> because if it's uncommented the overscan_ lines will have no effect
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[3:32] <hououina> oh ok that helps.
[3:33] <janPasi> :D
[3:33] <janPasi> i did mention this before ;D
[3:33] <hououina> it wasn't uncommented. i wasn't paying attention to that line.
[3:33] <janPasi> so it had the # mark in the beginning or not?
[3:33] <hououina> yes
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[3:33] <janPasi> good, it needs to be there
[3:34] <janPasi> don't remove it :D
[3:34] <janPasi> i.e. it must be COMMENTED, not UNCOMMENTED
[3:34] <janPasi> commented=# mark in the beginning, uncommented=# mark removed
[3:34] <hououina> actually, then, no it doesn't help
[3:35] <hououina> it was already there then i removed it.
[3:35] <hououina> and now it's still not going to work.
[3:35] <janPasi> nope, not with that modification
[3:35] <hououina> but now all my software thingys switched spots.
[3:35] <hououina> i forget what they are called.
[3:35] <janPasi> :D
[3:36] <janPasi> i have no idea what you mean
[3:36] <janPasi> your icons?
[3:36] <hououina> it actually looks like it went to the left now.
[3:36] <janPasi> ok, excellent
[3:36] <hououina> yeah, i think they're called icons.
[3:37] <janPasi> like i said, you may need to play with overscan values to get the screen right
[3:37] <hououina> i think the disable overscan is supposed to be uncommented.
[3:37] <janPasi> nope, not if you want to use overscan_ lines to adjust the screen
[3:37] <hououina> i uncommented disable overscan and put the value back at 16 for overscan_right = 16.
[3:38] <hououina> it seemed to move the screen to the left when i uncommented it.
[3:38] <janPasi> you just need to experiment with overscan_ values
[3:39] <janPasi> and remember that you need to reboot every time you change them
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[3:39] <hououina> ok. i changed the number back to 30 i hope i see a change.
[3:40] <janPasi> i think you also need to be adjusting overscan_left if you want to push the screen right
[3:40] <janPasi> they're like "margins" or such
[3:40] <janPasi> i.e. increasing overscan_left will push the screen to the right
[3:41] <janPasi> i'm not 100% sure about this since my display is hdmi and i have overscan disabled
[3:41] <hououina> I think my display is hdmi too.
[3:41] <janPasi> oh, if it's hdmi then it should be set automatically
[3:42] <janPasi> without the need to adjust overscan
[3:42] <janPasi> are you using television set as a display?
[3:42] <KD8SKZ> have use used rasbpi-config to disable overscan?
[3:42] <hououina> So you have to put = before # for it to be commented, right? I can't tell because of how far to the left my screen is.
[3:42] <janPasi> hououina: nope :D
[3:43] <janPasi> let me give you an example:
[3:43] <janPasi> #overscan_left=16
[3:43] <hououina> I am using a television for display.
[3:43] <janPasi> that line is commented
[3:43] <janPasi> overscan_left=16
[3:43] <janPasi> that line is uncommented
[3:43] <KD8SKZ> are you using rca or hdmi output?
[3:43] <janPasi> if it
[3:44] <janPasi> 's hdmi, then you should check your television settings
[3:44] <janPasi> and disable overscan
[3:45] <janPasi> some televisions do weird things with hdmi-inputs
[3:46] <hououina> Well, you said i need to disable overscan anyway
[3:46] <KD8SKZ> i known my tv in my living room is hdmi and with overscan off it is screwy with my pi, but my monitor in my truck is hdmi and it shows correctly with overscan off
[3:46] <hououina> Oh, the icons went back to where they were before.
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[3:47] <KD8SKZ> hououina: sudo rasbpi-config
[3:47] <KD8SKZ> then go to advanced and you will see a choice for overscan, which you can enable and disable
[3:47] <janPasi> hououina: is your cable like this: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2B%2BsXZpHXL._SX300_.jpg
[3:48] <hououina> oh, actually what im using is a composite cable.
[3:48] <KD8SKZ> sorry that should be raspi-config
[3:49] <janPasi> hououina: ok, so it's not hdmi then :D
[3:49] <janPasi> if it's possible to use hdmi-cable on your television, i would recommend that
[3:50] <hououina> KD8SKZ, sudo rasbpi-config: command not found.
[3:50] <janPasi> not only is it much easier to set up, but it also has far better picture quality
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[3:50] <KD8SKZ> hououina: sorry that should be sudo raspi-config
[3:50] <KD8SKZ> :-( sorry
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[3:50] <janPasi> hououina: raspi-config only changes the disable_overscan line in config.txt
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[3:52] <janPasi> that will likely not do the trick in this case
[3:54] <hououina> ok so i set the number to 90 it seemed to work.
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[3:54] <janPasi> good thing
[3:54] <hououina> now i just gotta make it a smaller number.
[3:55] <hououina> hopefully it acrually did work.
[3:55] <janPasi> hope so :D
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[3:58] <KD8SKZ> good luck
[4:03] <hououina> Cool :) It's working :)
[4:03] <hououina> 75 is a good number for overscan_right for the tv in my room.
[4:04] <hououina> For the tv in my basement, which is way bigger than the one in my room, it worked with the defauld overscans.
[4:04] <hououina> Thanks for all the help!
[4:04] <KD8SKZ> good deal :-)
[4:04] <KD8SKZ> what is everyone doing with their pi's
[4:04] <KD8SKZ> ?
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[4:06] <hououina> I just got it as a gift this past month. So far, I just played games with it and worked on learning about the terminal and tinkered around with scratch.
[4:06] <hououina> oh now i have to change the overscan_left.
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[4:08] <KD8SKZ> I have one at my house I use as a webserver for my weather station webpage, and another in my truck I am using, or trying to use, for APRS on ham radio
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[4:08] <hououina> Yeah I noticed when i first came in here that everyone is way more experienced than me.
[4:10] <KD8SKZ> it comes with time. I have been using linux for the past few years and I love it. only use windows for WOW and running my weather station.
[4:10] <KD8SKZ> as soon as i can run both of those on linux, i will say good by to windows :-)
[4:10] <janPasi> my pi is basically a mediaplayer
[4:10] <janPasi> it
[4:10] <janPasi> 's connected to my television and running mpd
[4:11] <janPasi> and i have mpd clients on my other machines+my mobile phone
[4:11] <KD8SKZ> I was thinking of getting an external usb hard drive and using the one in my house as a fileserver also.
[4:11] <janPasi> so i can control the stereosystem from any machine in this house
[4:11] <janPasi> i have a separate fileserver in my closet :D
[4:12] <KD8SKZ> JanPasi: I haven't heard of MPD is that a program or a os in itself?
[4:12] <janPasi> it's and old pc with four hard drives
[4:12] <janPasi> mpd is a program, you can find it from raspbian repositories
[4:13] <hououina> I just realized there's like a hundred people on this channel and only 3 who were using it for the past hour.
[4:13] <janPasi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon
[4:13] <hououina> oh no, not 100, 200.
[4:13] <KD8SKZ> thanks
[4:14] <janPasi> hououina: well, there are people from all over the world
[4:14] <janPasi> in most of europe for example it's the middle of the night
[4:14] <janPasi> well, not quite middle, but it's nighttime
[4:14] <hououina> im in eastern us and it's 11:17 here.
[4:14] <janPasi> 06.15 am here :D
[4:15] <janPasi> or 6.17 ;D
[4:15] <hououina> 11:17 at night.
[4:15] <KD8SKZ> hououina: where at? Im in West Virginia
[4:15] <hououina> I'm in pittsburgh.
[4:16] <KD8SKZ> hell i was just there a little bit ago
[4:16] <hououina> cool how long ago?
[4:16] <KD8SKZ> just a few hours ago. Im a paramedic, and we had to take a patient to AGH
[4:17] <hououina> Awesome. I sometimes go with my parents to New Vrindaban, which is in West Virginia.
[4:17] <KD8SKZ> yeah thats about 30 minutes to the south of me....i live in weirton, but am working in chester tonight
[4:18] <hououina> Cool. You know where that is and I spelled it right. I forgot if it was spelled Vrindaban or Vrindavan.
[4:19] <hououina> Even now that i see it, Vrindaban looks more correct.
[4:19] <janPasi> vrindaban sounds dutch D
[4:19] <KD8SKZ> i have never been there, but I have read about it, seen it on maps and such
[4:19] <hououina> Wow, you have a wide range of places you work.
[4:20] <KD8SKZ> we have stations in new cumberland and chester, but we take patients to pittsburgh on a regular basis if the local hospitals can't handle something
[4:21] <hououina> I'm pretty sure Vrindaban is an Indian word, since it is a Vaisnava temple/farm community.
[4:21] <hououina> And there is a place in India that I think is just called Vrindaban.
[4:22] <janPasi> the beginning sounds a bit like dutch word vriend
[4:22] <KD8SKZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Vrindaban
[4:22] <janPasi> =friend
[4:25] <hououina> crap changing left made 75 not a good number for right.
[4:26] <janPasi> you need to adjust that next :D
[4:29] <hououina> I'm thinking it's necessary to change the framebuffer width
[4:30] <janPasi> you could try that too
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[4:55] <hououina> I'm thinking it's necessary to change the framebuffer width
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[7:07] <- *xfreerdpQ* Hello, that book "building machine learning systems with python" says that what you need for this book is Python 2.7 but you should be fine with any more recent one. Is that mean that Python 3 is ok?
[7:09] <- *xfreerdpQ* from PacktPub
[7:10] <- *xfreerdpQ* sorry
[7:13] <- *xfreerdpQ* the book is from PacktPub
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[7:27] <xfreerdpQ> Hello, that book "building machine learning systems with python" from PacktPub says what you need for this book is Python 2.7 but you shi
[7:27] <xfreerdpQ> but you should be fine with any more recent one
[7:28] <xfreerdpQ> is that mean that Python 3 is ok for that book?
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[7:35] <azizLIGHTS> im having some trouble using xclip. i want to get the output of a command ran in cli to be put into the clipboard, for pasting in the gui. cli command is running v
[7:35] <azizLIGHTS> ia ssh in tmux: echo "test" | xclip -display localhost:1 ... and the gui is from tightvncserver running its own X session on :1 with "vncserver :1 -geometry 1280x800 -name pi -neve
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[7:36] <azizLIGHTS> with "vncserver :1 -geometry 1280x800 -name pi -nevershared -localhost" with ~/.vnc/xstartup as follows: http://pastebin.com/piJKNLpv ... after i run the xclip command, nothing is available to paste in the gui (it is grayed out with nothing in the buffer). any advice?
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[8:13] <zGrr> moin :)
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[11:57] <hououina> How do I change the resolution?
[11:57] <kingi> https://www.google.fi/search?q=how+do+i+change+the+resolution&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-nightly&channel=sb&gws_rd=cr&ei=jabGUrTsE8XWtAbo4YGoDA
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[12:07] <hououina> How can I update my time on the raspberry pi?
[12:08] <kingi> https://www.google.fi/search?q=change+time+raspbian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-nightly&channel=sb&gws_rd=cr&ei=BanGUr3AEIW0tAbu44DQAg
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[13:01] <chek2fire_> hello
[13:02] <chek2fire_> can this module add usb 3 support to raspberry? http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Modules/RPi.htm or at least raspberry to regognize the usb3 hardware and work as usb2?
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[14:38] <mapee> hello, I would like to install openjdk, but it wants to install a lot of (~300MB) packages, all of them necessary?
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[14:40] <mapee> ... and oracle jdk doesn't need them, why?
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[16:48] <MisterL> hey
[16:49] <rela> moin
[16:52] <MisterL> i run 2013-12-20-wheezy-raspbian.img and the pi crashes when playing audio (speakertest or mpd) if hdmi is disconnected. as far as i can tell it's fine when hdmi is attached. maybe anyone in here may have experienced that as well?
[16:54] <MisterL> setting audio output to "headphones" didn't help. it was set to automatic, though i configured it using the setup tool
[16:55] <rela> nah, never played something on the pi
[16:55] <rela> sorry
[16:56] <rela> others might be able to help though ;)
[16:56] <MisterL> hope so :) thanks anyway
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[18:04] <Xiguanda> hello
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[18:10] <Debuser> does anyone talk?
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[18:11] <rela> nah
[18:12] <Debuser> why do people join?
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[19:50] <otto85> hello, one question gives a fork from raspian?
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[19:51] <shiftplusone> Could you rephrase that?
[19:51] <tfox> yeah, I didn't understand a shred of that
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[19:55] <ice9> what would be the performance of running apache, mysql, postfix no a board?
[19:55] <shiftplusone> just running or actually doing something useful?
[19:55] <ice9> using those services actually
[19:55] <tfox> how much load
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[19:56] <ice9> everyday emails like 50, very few visitors on the web servers
[19:56] <tfox> and how big will your db be
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[19:56] <tfox> yeah, I'm sure that will be fine
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[19:56] <tfox> very low perf impact
[19:56] <shiftplusone> "depends" (on how many users, what you're actually running there, how it's configured and so on) Can't give any numbers off the top of my head though
[19:56] <ice9> couple of databases each about 50 MB
[19:57] <tfox> yeah you won't even notice they're there
[19:57] <ice9> so generally it will run smoothly
[19:57] <tfox> ...
[19:58] <ice9> but it will running 24/7
[19:58] <gnarface> well, your flash will probably be a bottleneck at load times, but otherwise for those programs your performance will probably be on par with a pentium2 of similar clock speed
[19:58] <tfox> I'm not sure how much more reassurance I have left in me
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[19:58] <gnarface> for personal service use, it should be fine
[19:58] <gnarface> i run my own web& mail on something much slower
[19:59] <gnarface> (same amount of ram though)
[19:59] <ice9> 24/7?
[19:59] <gnarface> yes
[19:59] <tfox> dude
[19:59] <tfox> it doesn't care about time of day
[19:59] <ice9> does it get hot?
[19:59] <gnarface> the pi? not really
[19:59] <gnarface> it gets warm
[19:59] <ice9> cool, so is there a way to run on battery in case of electric cut?
[19:59] <tfox> I run a dlna server on mine and watch 720p videos all the time, that's way higher impact than what you're doing
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[20:00] <gnarface> hmm, yes there are gpio wired-in battery solutions online i've seen, but you can easily just use a usb cellphone-recharger style battery pack too
[20:00] <tfox> they have some usb batteries around, should work fine
[20:00] <gnarface> it really just depends on how much you want to spend
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[20:01] <gnarface> if you don't mind spending 100$ or more, you can even find portable solar chargers that provide sufficient amperage
[20:02] <tfox> course they won't give you 24/7 support
[20:02] <tfox> heh
[20:02] <gnarface> no, but some of them have built-in battery packs
[20:03] <ice9> how long it can run on usb battery?
[20:03] <gnarface> depends on the size of the battery
[20:03] <gnarface> the figure i saw was something like 4-6 hours with 4AA's
[20:03] <gnarface> (depending on load)
[20:03] <gnarface> it really doesn't use much power at all
[20:04] <gnarface> this was the solution i liked the most, from a do-it-yourself standpoint: http://lifehacker.com/add-your-own-battery-backup-system-to-a-raspberry-pi-1468242483
[20:04] <gnarface> theoretically cheaper if you can find the parts and already have a soldering iron
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[20:05] <ice9> gnarface: you got a link to your raspi web server?
[20:06] <gnarface> ice9: no, like i said i'm actually using something much slower for my web server
[20:06] <gnarface> ice9: but it also hosts my dns and email just fine, along with a few mysql databases
[20:07] <gnarface> ice9: i'm using exim4 for email instead of postfix, but i doubt it makes much difference - the real bottleneck is gonna be your flash ram. a usb-connected harddrive will boost load times
[20:07] <gnarface> it should hardly matter though except in the case of larger files
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[20:08] <lastfuture> I found this resource valuable for info about runing raspi on batteries: http://www.daveakerman.com/?page_id=1294
[20:09] <lastfuture> I have not tried any of that myself
[20:09] <gnarface> hmm, that's interesting
[20:10] <ice9> well, the battery solution is nice, now I have to find a solution to keep the board connected to the main source and switch to the battery incase of the cut
[20:11] <lastfuture> I found some resources regarding that when googling, I haven't saved the URLs but I'm sure you can find the same. They were forum discussions about that problem in particular
[20:11] <lastfuture> (I ultimately decided against battery backup so I didn't save the open tabs)
[20:11] <gnarface> ice9: the thing i linked above (gpio battery backup) i believe was specifically for that purpose
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[20:11] <gnarface> should be a relatively simple circuit for anyone with entry-level EE experience (which isn't necessarily me)
[20:13] <gnarface> but of course you could easily go overkill, get a desktop UPS, and just plug the pi into that with a cheap cellphone charger
[20:13] <gnarface> plus have enough juice to keep the house lights and stereo system online 24/7 too :)
[20:14] <gnarface> the nice thing about the power requirements for the pi is they're inline with most generic USB cellphone chargers these days
[20:14] <gnarface> i think that was actually a design imperative
[20:15] <lastfuture> the easiest (though probably not the most efficient) way I've seen is to use a battery pack that has a usb port and that provides the port with juice even while charging, in effect using it just like a big ol UPS
[20:15] <gnarface> if you are already using UPS batteries for other computers on your LAN there's no real reason not to just piggyback off one of those
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[20:16] <lastfuture> gnarface: if the pi should remain stationary yes
[20:16] <lastfuture> if it should be somewhat portable no ... I haven't read your entire conversation though
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[20:17] <gnarface> yes, i was assuming stationary
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[20:18] <gnarface> for portability (with solar as a bonus) you could always use something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Poweradd-trade-Apollo-Blackberry-Paperwhite/dp/B00DLUYSPO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388780473&sr=8-2&keywords=solar+charger+battery
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[20:20] <gnarface> hmm i thought i saw one that could charge from a wall socket OR from the solar panel, and had similar battery capacity
[20:20] <gnarface> not sure that one has both, but if you dig around i know they exist
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[20:23] <lastfuture> you have to make sure that the ports can be powered while you charge from the charging port, some battery packs shut the output off
[20:23] <gnarface> something like this though in full sunlight has enough juice it should be able to power the pi without a battery even: http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Foldable-Dual-port-USB-charged-Including/dp/B00E3OL5U8/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&qid=1388780728&sr=8-28&keywords=solar+charger+battery
[20:23] <gnarface> so used in conjunction with a custom battery backup might be ideal
[20:24] <gnarface> i wish i understood the gpio interface better
[20:27] <gnarface> (no i'm not an amazon affiliate i just recently discovered they have a good selection of this stuff now)
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[20:44] <ice9> is it possible to update the firmware on the board?
[20:45] <shiftplusone> yeah, since there is none (it's on the SD card)
[20:45] <shiftplusone> the board itself only has a tiny bootrom to load the actual firmware off the sdcard.
[20:46] <ice9> as I understand, you only copy the OS image on the SD and the bootrom launches what's on the SD
[20:47] <shiftplusone> the OS image contains the firmware (look at the files on the fat32 partition)
[20:48] <shiftplusone> bootcode.bin is executed first, then there are a few others like start.elf which finally loads kernel.img
[20:48] <gnarface> ice9: there is a script (rpi-update) that downloads the latest kernel & firmware but its not installed in any .deb package-aware manner, so there's no real clean way to roll back if you decide it works worse - make a full backup first is my advice
[20:49] <shiftplusone> When there are important firmware updates, they eventually find their way to the raspberrypi-bootloader package.
[20:50] <lastfuture> shiftplusone: but how do they find their way there for a system that's already set up?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> lastfuture, when you run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; it will be updated.
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[20:52] <shiftplusone> but yeah, that package doesn't get updated often. It was updated recently, when the SD corruption fixes were pushed and before that it was about 3 months of no updates.
[20:53] <ice9> so it's using the main debian repos?
[20:53] <gnarface> un... no its not i don't think
[20:54] <gnarface> at least, not solely
[20:54] <lastfuture> shiftplusone: the network camera works like a charm port forwarded through the pi to wifi by the way, thanks again for the iptables pointer. Since I removed the filter it also produces some awesome IR images :)
[20:55] <shiftplusone> ice9, the specific package I am referring to is in the foundation's repo. However, raspbian also has their own firmware package, but chances are that you don't have that installed.
[20:55] <shiftplusone> awesome np, lastfuture
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[23:23] <AgentOrange96> Hi, is anyone online?
[23:24] <shiftplusone> probably
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[23:25] <AgentOrange96> I'm having a java issue
[23:25] <tfox> isn't there a channel for that?
[23:26] <shiftplusone> not many people like or use java (in these woods)
[23:26] <AgentOrange96> Well. it relates to not updateing to 1.7 even though I did sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[23:26] <tfox> java's great, 'choo talkin bout
[23:27] <AgentOrange96> But if I do java -version it shows 1.6 not 1.7 and I can't run the program I wrote because of that.
[23:27] <tfox> you probably need to set some env vars
[23:27] <AgentOrange96> What do you mean?
[23:27] <shiftplusone> what's the outbut of 'which java' ?
[23:28] <tfox> when you execute 'java' you're probably still using java6
[23:28] <tfox> you can have both installed at the same time
[23:28] <shiftplusone> and is the 1.6 oracle version or openjdk?
[23:28] <AgentOrange96> It's "/usr/bin/java"
[23:29] <AgentOrange96> Idk
[23:29] <shiftplusone> actually stupid question, I am guessing oracle version numbers would be completely different.
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[23:29] <AgentOrange96> So, how would I make it use 7? Also, Oracle's 7 is installed too
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