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[0:00] <shiftplusone> http://rpix86.patrickaalto.com/
[0:00] <raidensnake> hmm i wonder it it can run steamcmd
[0:00] <shiftplusone> no
[0:01] <shiftplusone> (but clearly, I haven't tried)
[0:01] <raidensnake> steamcmd uses dos command line
[0:01] <raidensnake> in a way
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[0:13] * plugwash gradually works through the mate dependency graph
[0:13] <plugwash> (currently rebuilding mate-applets)
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[0:19] <raidensnake> still isolating the broken dependencies i take it.
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[0:24] <raidensnake> hows it going anyway?
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[0:41] <plugwash> ok i've rebuilt enough packages to make mate-core and mate-desktop-enviroment installable, now to work out how to get them into the repo
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[0:47] <plugwash> raidensnake, ok can you try again mate should be installable now
[0:47] <raidensnake> gonna try it
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[1:08] <shiftplusone> plugwash, no issues with the new kernel yet
[1:09] <raidensnake> apt found everything needed for mate
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[1:11] <shiftplusone> any idea why the log level is 7, although the default seems to be 4? (After hifi's netinstall)
[1:12] <shiftplusone> (7 4 1 7 from /proc/sys/kernel/printk)
[1:12] * plugwash wasn't even aware that feature existed
[1:13] <shiftplusone> I added loglevel=4 to cmdline.txt to get around it, but it's a little odd.
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[1:29] <raidensnake> btw do you guys know what packages fingerpring scanners use?
[1:29] <raidensnake> fingerprint*
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[2:40] <shiftplusone> plugwash, a bit of an issue, but I don't know if it Raspbian or foundation related. I tried to install libraspberrypi-bin, but that install raspberrypi-bootloader, which removes raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel which overwrites kernel.img. =(
[2:41] <plugwash> So don't call your kernel kernel.img then
[2:41] <shiftplusone> ah, that should work
[2:43] <plugwash> alternatively don't put the foundation repo in your sources (we deliberately keep the version numbers of our versions of those packages below the version number of the current foundation ones to reduce the risk that some idiot will accidently replace raspberrypi-bootloader with raspberypi-bootloader-nokernel and end up with an unbootable pi)
[2:44] <shiftplusone> I think I see why you don't link to hifi's installer. You'd be flooded with questions about why <X> doesn't work in the way people expect. >_<
[2:46] <SirLagz> hifi's installer is good for the power users. Not so good for anyone who expects raspbian to act in a certain way
[2:46] <shiftplusone> I am somewhere in between, so there was a little bit of learning for me.
[2:46] <plugwash> (there is actually a link to hifi's installer on the raspbian website now)
[2:46] <sney> I wish there was a middle ground between hifi's installer and the silly foundation image
[2:46] <SirLagz> is there also a giant disclaimer to say that it's not supported ? lol
[2:47] <SirLagz> sney: what are you after ? a stripped down Raspbian ?
[2:47] <plugwash> In the paragraph about the hacked up version of D-I being unmaintained
[2:47] <SirLagz> D-I ?
[2:47] <shiftplusone> ah, I see
[2:47] <shiftplusone> "Currently we reccomend using hifi's raspbian-ua-netinst instead if you want to use an installer rather than a pre-installed image."
[2:48] <shiftplusone> sney, you can customize the installer and there is the possibility of running a postinstall script.
[2:48] <sney> SirLagz, well, I'm just fine using the hifi installer myself... but I wish I had something to point users to that was a supported, general purpose raspbian image that wasn't jammed to the gills with foundation nonsense and unnecessary customization
[2:48] <SirLagz> sney: I built one a while ago - Raspbian Server Edition
[2:48] <shiftplusone> sney, so you could take all the differences between stock raspbian and foundation image from spindle and hack the ones you need into a postinstall script.
[2:48] <SirLagz> sney: was the Foundation image but had all GUI stuff stripped
[2:49] * shiftplusone frowns at SirLagz for doing it backwards
[2:49] <SirLagz> lol
[2:49] <SirLagz> its the easiest way of keeping the distro working the same as the foundation image
[2:49] <sney> ha, what shiftplusone said. plus their silly kernel which is at least 25% of the problem. and rpi-update which is another 10% or more at time s
[2:50] <SirLagz> rpi-update shouln't be used anyway unless you want to be on cutting edge.
[2:50] <sney> right, so it should be packaged but not even installed at the get-go
[2:50] <SirLagz> sney: and it's not installed at the get-go
[2:51] <sney> it's in the foundation image. are you talking about yours?
[2:51] <SirLagz> sney: it wasn't installed in the latest foundation image that I used...
[2:51] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: also, when I built RSE initially, there *wasn't* any other installers / foundation images / etc etc. :D
[2:51] <sney> well, good for the foundation if they found their sanity and took it out. but it was there as of October or so, at least
[2:52] <SirLagz> sney: unless you're thinking of raspi-config ?
[2:52] <sney> nope, I'm thinking specifically of the thing that pulls kernels and firmware from github and ignores all package management
[2:52] <SirLagz> sney: yep, that's rpi-update.
[2:52] <SirLagz> unless the foundation image i used was earlier, or I'm remembering wrong
[2:52] <SirLagz> it's been a while since I've played with my Pis lol
[2:53] <sney> it's been some time since mine has needed to be reimaged
[2:53] <shiftplusone> it's on the latest image, at least
[2:53] <sney> (it's at that point now but I haven't had time0
[2:53] <shiftplusone> (just checked a clean one)
[2:53] <SirLagz> i've somewhat lost interest in my Pis.
[2:53] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: maybe I'm just remembering wrong then
[2:53] <raidensnake> i'm trying to make a game work.
[2:53] <raidensnake> got sdl problems though.
[2:54] <sney> got 99 problems and every single one of them is sdl
[2:54] <SirLagz> i really need to get off IRC and get back to work lol
[2:54] * shiftplusone loves SDL >.>
[2:54] <sney> sdl is great
[2:55] <shiftplusone> granted I only use it rarely, so it's a bit of a long distance relationship
[2:55] <raidensnake> any idea about getting sdl to properly boot glshim?
[2:55] <shiftplusone> you're still on about that? =P
[2:55] <SirLagz> I've never touched SDL...never programmed anything that big lol
[2:55] <SirLagz> never programed at all really...
[2:55] <SirLagz> I really should do it sometime.
[2:56] <raidensnake> yeah cause it's being a pain in the arse. i got the library to link to sdl but it still can't initialise it.
[2:56] <raidensnake> sdl just argues that it can't find opengl.
[2:57] <shiftplusone> raidensnake, I am certain that the only person that can help you is aegis
[2:57] <raidensnake> i spoke to them they sais use sdl 2 but the game can't use sdl 2
[2:57] <raidensnake> only sdl 1.2
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[4:14] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: i wonder the same thing myself sometimes.
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[6:58] <hifi> shiftplusone: pong
[6:58] <hifi> read the log
[6:58] <hifi> just setting up the installer with 3.10
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[7:04] <hifi> ok, it's doing something
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[7:17] <hifi> seems to run smoothly
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[7:17] <hifi> install and post-install operations
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[7:46] <hifi> plugwash & shiftplusone, I updated the installer with 3.10 now
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[8:16] <dexta> morning
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[10:20] <Riocool> hi all.
[10:20] <rela> .all hi
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[12:14] <stevie86> Hello everyone
[12:14] <stevie86> Who else is facing this problem?
[12:16] <stevie86> I'm ssh'ing to my raspberry pi and after some little inactivity the connection is lost...
[12:17] <Kymru> stevie86, what app are you using to ssh?
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[13:00] <neillom> Standard timeout from ssh you need to set the keep alive parameter - ServerAliveInterval 60
[13:01] <neillom> look it up if you need help
[13:05] <stevie86> I'm using Kitty
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[13:58] <stevie86> Ok I managed to setup the keep alive setting
[13:58] <stevie86> thanks
[13:58] <stevie86> but I don't seem to get nginx and php up and running
[13:59] <stevie86> what's wrong? i installed and started nginx and i don't see the standard page in the browser...
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[14:05] <stevie86> I forgot to portforward port 80... that's my error
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[15:56] <rozie> hello
[15:57] <rozie> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianIRC - Logs for the #raspbian IRC channel can be found here.
[15:57] <rozie> dead link http://daqatz.gotdns.com:8080/raspbian
[15:58] <rozie> but that's less important. my main question is: where can I report bugs regarding images from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads ?
[15:59] <shiftplusone> what kind of bugs?
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[16:01] <rozie> like journal enabled on SD card image
[16:02] <janPasi> i doubt that that's a bug
[16:02] <shiftplusone> I don't think anybody is going to change that. But, if you feel it's worth bringing up, you can open an issue here for the official raspbian image, I suppose https://github.com/asb/spindle
[16:03] <rozie> janPasi: why use journal for ext4 on 4GB partition, dedicated for flash drives?
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[16:03] <rozie> bug may be not the best word, but that's not sane default
[16:03] <janPasi> journaling on flash is a bit controversial subject, but i think that general understanding is that the benefits are more significant than downsides
[16:04] <plugwash> same reason you use journals on any partition, to improve recovery from unexpected power loss
[16:05] <janPasi> trying to prevent data-loss is imho a very sane default
[16:05] <janPasi> i've been using journaling on my ssd drives for years and years without problems
[16:05] <janPasi> though, sd-cards may be slightly different from "real" ssd-drives
[16:06] <plugwash> s/may be slightly different/are much crappier/
[16:06] <janPasi> that could well be true :D
[16:07] <janPasi> but they're also fairly inexpensive, so they shouldn't be too hard to replace
[16:07] <rozie> janPasi: SSD have internal wear leveling IIRC
[16:07] <janPasi> yeah, i know that
[16:08] <janPasi> i think preferable solution would be to use something like logfs, but that's not ready yet :(
[16:09] <rozie> anyway, I think default installation should prevent premature wear off of a drive
[16:09] <rozie> power loss may happen (or not)
[16:10] <rozie> and may lead to FS corruption (or not)
[16:11] <rozie> TBH I'd even would make those images RO by default
[16:12] <janPasi> i see your point, but i do not agree ;D
[16:13] <shiftplusone> To go an extra step, the cards should never be taken out of their packaging.
[16:13] <janPasi> it would be interesting to know if some pi-owners have actually ran into trouble with sd-cards
[16:13] <janPasi> that are not to do with overclocking
[16:14] <shiftplusone> yeah, corruption mostly
[16:14] <janPasi> oh, you have?
[16:14] <shiftplusone> not me, no.
[16:14] <janPasi> but some people have?
[16:14] <shiftplusone> mix of not shutting down properly and firmware issues (which they say have been fixed)
[16:14] <shiftplusone> a lot of people have yeah.
[16:14] <janPasi> oh, ok
[16:15] <janPasi> but not due to sd-card wear?
[16:15] <shiftplusone> I haven't seen that come up, but I think if that happened, most people would shrug it off as 'crappy SD card' and get a new one.
[16:15] <janPasi> yeah, probably
[16:15] <rozie> exactly. and many flash devices are crap
[16:16] <rozie> (not only SD cards)
[16:16] <janPasi> i'm not saying that preventing excess writes shouldn't be done
[16:16] <janPasi> it definetely should, but journaling isn't a place to start
[16:16] <janPasi> though it does cause a lot of writes
[16:16] <janPasi> that's just my opinion, though :D
[16:18] <rozie> if I knew that journal is enabled, I'd disable it
[16:19] <rozie> right now it is a little problem - rpi is deep in home made NAS
[16:19] <janPasi> well you can disable it now, can't you?
[16:19] <rozie> well, I can. but it requires disassembling NAS
[16:19] <janPasi> you can't connect to it with ssh?
[16:20] <rozie> filesystem has to be unmounted IIRC
[16:20] <rozie> or at least RO
[16:20] <janPasi> you could do it in fstab and reboot pi?
[16:21] <rozie> you mean RO?
[16:22] <janPasi> no, i mean the journaling
[16:22] <janPasi> i think there is a way to do that in fstab
[16:22] <janPasi> or you could try remounting it ro and using tune2fs
[16:23] <rozie> haven't found a way to do it without tune2fs
[16:24] <rozie> remounting... yes. may work.
[16:24] <rozie> but I guess I can survive a month or so with journal
[16:25] <rozie> after that time I plan to replace HDD with a bigger one, so will have to disassemble anyway
[16:25] <rozie> BTW, can rpi boot from USB instead of SD?
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[16:28] <shiftplusone> rozie, the kernel and firmware must be on the sd card, the rest is up to you
[16:28] <shiftplusone> (the 'kernel' can be u-boot or something that loads the kernel from elsewhere as well)
[16:29] <rozie> thanks. I wondered if I can go noSD HDD only, but not
[16:29] <stevie86> Hello, how can I list all symlinks?
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[16:30] <rozie> stevie86: find and -type l, probably
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[16:49] <stevie86> Hey, can aynone please help me with setting up an openvpn server on the pi? I don't seem to get it right.... :(
[16:50] <stevie86> My connection always times out
[16:50] <sney> http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html
[16:50] <sney> this has all the information anyone ever needs about openvpn.
[16:50] <sney> follow it.
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[17:31] <stevie86> where can I find the logfiles of openvpn?
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[17:42] <redeeman> hello
[17:42] <redeeman> do i need to do anything to get permission to use libusb as user 'pi' ?
[17:44] <hifi> shiftplusone: you got my message?
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[17:47] <shiftplusone> hifi, about updating the installer's kernel? Yup, thanks.
[17:48] <stevie86> bye
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[17:49] <introwertyk> NP: [My Dying Bride - The Blood, The Wine, The Roses] [A Line Of Deathless Kings] [0:53/8:23] [968kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0
[17:49] <introwertyk> NP: [My Dying Bride - The Blood, The Wine, The Roses] [A Line Of Deathless Kings] [1:37/8:23] [968kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0
[17:50] <sney> stop
[17:50] <introwertyk> DeaDBeeF: '[My Dying Bride - The Blood, The Wine, The Roses] [8:23]'
[17:50] <introwertyk> o
[17:50] <introwertyk> prawie dobrze
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[17:51] <introwertyk> ok
[17:51] <introwertyk> gotowe ;p
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[17:51] <shiftplusone> O_o
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[17:52] <sney> who even knows
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[18:00] <crazyskeggy> is anybody able to help with compiling a .deb package?
[18:01] <Defiant> why don't you just ask your question
[18:01] <crazyskeggy> i'm trying to make a .deb package for znc 1.2 (the current version on the APT repo is 0.206 or similar)
[18:02] <crazyskeggy> however, I'm not sure how to actually make the deb file
[18:02] <crazyskeggy> there seems to be very little available online
[18:02] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: your on raspbian wheezy I guess?
[18:02] <crazyskeggy> yes
[18:02] <crazyskeggy> otherwise I wouldn't be in this channe;
[18:03] <crazyskeggy> channel
[18:03] <crazyskeggy> i have downloaded the source
[18:03] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: debian has a newer Version of znc in the jessie repos, so I guess the raspbian have also
[18:03] <crazyskeggy> it doesn't, for some reason
[18:03] <crazyskeggy> znc only has 0.206
[18:04] <crazyskeggy> or something
[18:04] <Defiant> ok stop
[18:04] <sney> ssb it
[18:05] <crazyskeggy> sney: ssb?
[18:05] <shiftplusone> ?
[18:06] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: ok first, why do you want a package, you could just make install it
[18:06] <shiftplusone> What's all this then? http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/z/znc/znc_1.2-3_armhf.deb
[18:06] <sney> 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 3) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
[18:06] <sney> Defiant, it's good to work within the package manager whenever possible.
[18:06] <crazyskeggy> Defiant: I want to distribute it so that others can get a newer version
[18:07] <shiftplusone> There's nothing to distribute, it's already available =S
[18:07] <sney> shiftplusone, that's in jessie and might get a little weird installed on wheezy. mixing stable and testing is a big no-no
[18:07] <crazyskeggy> I only installed it a few days ago
[18:07] <sney> what crazyskeggy wants to do is essentially backporting
[18:07] <shiftplusone> sney, I am not recommending mixing, I am just providing evidence that it already exists.
[18:07] <crazyskeggy> sney: but isn't raspian wheezy the latest version?
[18:08] <sney> crazyskeggy, wheezy is the latest *released* version. there's a newer one in testing.
[18:08] <crazyskeggy> sney: nice!
[18:08] <sney> I'm not sure what the status of raspbian testing is, though. /me pokes plugwash
[18:08] <sney> it might be incredibly broken.
[18:08] <shiftplusone> it's usable
[18:08] <sney> oh? well then
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[18:10] <sney> crazyskeggy, basically edit your sources.list and put 'jessie' where it currently says 'wheezy', then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and go have a sandwich because it'll probably take a while
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[18:22] <Defiant> sney: sure, but I wanted to know if checkinstall is an option
[18:22] <sney> not for packages people want to distribute
[18:23] <Defiant> thats why I asked
[18:23] <sney> ok
[18:23] <crazyskeggy> sney: for now I'd prefer to stick with stable
[18:23] <sney> ssb is still an option for znc if you want the newer version then
[18:24] <crazyskeggy> sney: again, what is ssb?
[18:24] <Defiant> Have you checked the dependencies of znc?
[18:24] <sney> simple sid backport. I pasted the quick instructions a little while ago
[18:25] <sney> basically, you build a wheezy package from the debian sid source. it should be relatively quick for something like znc which doesn't depend on much
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[18:26] <Defiant> which basicly sounds like echo "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get source znc; cd znc...; dpkg-buildpackage
[18:27] <crazyskeggy> Defiant: why would I need to get the source from sid when I have the official source in front of me
[18:27] <sney> more like apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep znc; apt-get -b source znc after the apt-get update
[18:28] <sney> crazyskeggy, because the source from sid already has the debian packaging stuff in it
[18:28] <sney> so all you need to do is let apt build it for you
[18:28] <Defiant> what is apt-get -b source doing?
[18:28] <sney> build
[18:28] <crazyskeggy> oh, thanks
[18:28] <Defiant> aah right
[18:29] <Defiant> I never do -b source...because something always fails :(
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[18:31] <sney> some things can't be backported without extra work, but the judd bot confirms that all of znc 1.2's build-deps are present in wheezy so it should be fine
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[18:32] <Defiant> perfect
[18:32] <crazyskeggy> thanks everyone!
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[18:35] <sney> crazyskeggy, no problem, if you get stuck let us know
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[18:55] <crazyskeggy> even as sudo I can't run:
[18:55] <crazyskeggy> sudo echo "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib nonfree" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:55] <shiftplusone> you're only running the 'echo' command as root
[18:55] <sney> just become root
[18:56] <crazyskeggy> ok
[18:56] <shiftplusone> the redirection to sources.list is done as normal
[18:56] <sney> kids these days don't know how to permissions
[18:56] <crazyskeggy> i'm still a unix CLI noob, TBH
[18:57] <sney> the sudo thing is a pet peeve of mine, don't mind me
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[18:57] * shiftplusone "sudo su"'s at sney
[18:57] * sney twitches
[18:58] <crazyskeggy> strangely, before I found sudo su, I googled for "log in as root" (for use in ubuntu)
[18:58] <crazyskeggy> i got sudo -i
[18:58] <crazyskeggy> which has a few differences, i know
[18:58] <sney> sudo -i is the correct way to do it
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[18:58] <sney> sudo -s also works
[18:59] <sney> running su with sudo is like carrying a big sign saying I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING
[18:59] <crazyskeggy> i see, well that's me
[18:59] <crazyskeggy> what's the difference between -i and -s
[18:59] <sney> -i is a login shell
[19:00] <shiftplusone> Hell, I've been linuxing for 10 years, and I was sudo su'ing until sney set me straight a few weeks ago =P
[19:00] <crazyskeggy> so you can use the logout command
[19:00] <sney> it's like the difference between su and su -
[19:00] <shiftplusone> another silly thing I was doing was cat file | grep something
[19:01] * Defiant is running linux for multiple years and only using sudo to set the root pass on ubuntu systems :(
[19:01] <sney> yeah and you get all the proper root env variables. for most operations as root it doesn't matter which one you do
[19:02] <sney> I fully blame ubuntu for all this sudo stupidity
[19:02] <Defiant> ack
[19:02] <sney> sudo is a really great useful tool but it's been RUINED by ubuntu and everyone who writes unofficial docs for it
[19:02] <sney> shiftplusone, they stopped giving out the UUOC awards a while ago but they might revive it for you :P
[19:02] <shiftplusone> =D
[19:03] <crazyskeggy> back on topic: when apt-get update'ing
[19:03] <crazyskeggy> i got:
[19:03] <crazyskeggy> W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553
[19:03] <crazyskeggy> W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/nonfree/source/Sources 404 Not Found
[19:03] <shiftplusone> oh dear
[19:03] <crazyskeggy> what did I do wrong?
[19:03] <sney> ok, the first one doesn't really matter but the second one does
[19:03] <Defiant> did I really paste a de mirror?
[19:03] <shiftplusone> blindly copy/paste
[19:03] <sney> yes you did, Defiant. gj
[19:04] <crazyskeggy> should I change it to the UK one?
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[19:04] <sney> http.debian.net is the one I use in examples because it'll auto redirect to whatever's close to you
[19:04] <Defiant> yes please, but that won't fix your error
[19:04] <shiftplusone> I haven't been following. Why debian and not raspbian? Is this just for sources?
[19:04] <Defiant> yes just sources
[19:04] <sney> yes
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[19:04] <crazyskeggy> shiftplusone: for the deb-src
[19:04] <shiftplusone> ah ok
[19:05] <sney> crazyskeggy, it needs to be non-free rather than nonfree
[19:05] <shiftplusone> doesn't he still need to add the pubkey though?
[19:05] <Defiant> shiftplusone: no
[19:05] <sney> shiftplusone, nah, it'll warn but it'll still work
[19:05] <shiftplusone> ah ok
[19:05] <crazyskeggy> might be back later...
[19:05] <Defiant> but he should add the key ;)
[19:06] <sney> you can also just remove 'nonfree' since there's nothing needed from there for building znc
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[19:07] <sney> my new laptop was supposed to come today but now the tracking just says 'adverse weather conditions'
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[19:07] <Defiant> US?
[19:07] <sney> western canada. it's a little snowy but nothing out of the ordinary for january
[19:08] <sney> ups is surely just being lazy :I
[19:11] <shiftplusone> hmm, well "adverse weather conditions" is now going to be my new excuse for everything.
[19:12] <sney> haha. +1
[19:12] <Defiant> mine is "NSA stole/tinkered with it"
[19:12] <sney> "did you wash the dishes like I asked?" "no." "why?" "adverse weather conditions"
[19:13] <shiftplusone> =)
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[19:28] <Jones__> Good evening ;-)
[19:28] <shiftplusone> Hey
[19:29] <Jones__> shiftplusone: I have reinstalled my raspbian, the one named 2013-20-12...
[19:30] <Jones__> but it is a Linux raspberrypi 3.10.24+ #614 PREEMPT Thu Dec 19 20:38:42 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[19:30] <Jones__> And your tar was for a 3.10.25+
[19:30] <shiftplusone> did you update?
[19:30] <Jones__> I've tried apt-get update and dist-upgrade as well, but it says it is up-to-date
[19:31] <shiftplusone> ah, I guess the repo is lagging a tad
[19:31] <shiftplusone> I am certain it's perfectly safe to use it anyway
[19:31] <Jones__> Where did you get yours then?
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[19:31] <Jones__> Okay, let me try then
[19:31] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
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[19:32] <shiftplusone> 'course put the 2 files in appropriate locations.
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[19:34] <Jones__> Done. I just need to find the command to run just before "modprobe 8188eu", as I don't remember =)
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[19:35] <Jones__> depmod -a I suppose
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[19:36] <shiftplusone> i'd just insmod the ko file
[19:36] <shiftplusone> then check dmesg
[19:36] <Jones__> too late, I ran depmod -a. I don't know the difference with insmod
[19:36] <Jones__> but it works!
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[19:36] <shiftplusone> great
[19:36] <Jones__> I don't know how to thank you =)
[19:36] <Jones__> You really made my day!
[19:37] <shiftplusone> =) you're welcome
[19:37] <Jones__> Do you mind if I just ask you how you compiled it? Like a quick description? I really would like to learn how to do this...
[19:37] <Jones__> so I won't have to bother people every single time ;-)
[19:38] <shiftplusone> yeah, 'course. Just a sec
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[19:42] <shiftplusone> I did this on my PC, not the pi. Install a cross-compiler (it's most likely available in the repo of whatever distro you use), get the source from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux, extract the .config from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/kernel.img?raw=true. Download https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu. Compile the kernel with ARCH=arm and CROSS_COMPILE=whatever. The
[19:42] <shiftplusone> n modify the rtl8188eu makefile to use the right variables. Then it's just a matter of running make
[19:42] <shiftplusone> I already had most of that read, so I only had to edit the makefile
[19:43] <shiftplusone> Lines 95 to 101 https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu/blob/master/Makefile
[19:44] <Jones__> Okay
[19:44] <shiftplusone> Make SUBARCH arm, CROSS_COMPILE whatever fits your toolchain, KVER is not really necessary and KSRC to where you have downloaded the kernel source.
[19:44] <Jones__> ok
[19:45] <Jones__> Let me write this down
[19:46] <Jones__> I will try this then!
[19:46] <Jones__> Thank you so much, really!
[19:46] <shiftplusone> In general, when compiling a module out of tree, you can just run make -C <path_to_kernel_src> M=$PWD , but this particular one needed some extra options, which is all the makefile does.
[19:46] <shiftplusone> np
[19:46] <Jones__> I see
[19:47] <shiftplusone> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt
[19:47] <Jones__> But I will need to read everything for myself now =)
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[20:27] <crazyskeggy> i've got an error
[20:27] <crazyskeggy> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
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[20:30] <gregc2> Hi all, I was interested in the raspberry pi. I want though an exact debian wheezy arm image on the pi. Is this possible or do i have to go with raspbian? Sorry for the uneducated question.
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[20:31] <crazyskeggy> gregc2: why is raspbian not an option?
[20:31] <gnarface> gregc2: its reported to work but some things will be notably slower
[20:32] <gregc2> gnarface, do you have any guides
[20:32] <gregc2> frankly. i dont like it for several reasons
[20:32] <gnarface> gregc2: no, but debian does
[20:33] <crazyskeggy> gregc2: all raspbian is is debian with support for "floating-point" operations being done directly on the CPU/GPU
[20:33] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: full pastebin please
[20:33] <crazyskeggy> Defiant: ok
[20:34] <gregc2> Doesnt appear to use the same repo's as debian....
[20:35] <Defiant> gregc2: again, it is debian recompiled for pi
[20:35] <crazyskeggy> gregc2: thats because the applications need to be compiled differently to work with the hard-float ABI, rather than the soft-float which the original debian arm does.
[20:36] <crazyskeggy> Defiant: http://pastebin.com/FYvrvJQu
[20:36] <gnarface> gregc2: debian has extensive installation manuals and support. obviously you know that we can't help you here except with raspbian but if you're going to install debian luckily you don't need our help
[20:36] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: uuuhhhh
[20:36] <gregc2> im having a hard time finding good documentation
[20:36] <crazyskeggy> gregc2: although most of the debian armhf packages are there
[20:37] <gnarface> gregc2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
[20:37] <crazyskeggy> gregc2: usually googling or asking either on the raspberry pi forums or here can get answers
[20:38] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: strange, very strange. Can you just try again? do you get the same error then?
[20:38] <crazyskeggy> sure
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[20:38] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: just the dpkg-buildpackage again
[20:39] <crazyskeggy> Defiant: i am
[20:40] <gregc2> gnarface, im having a hard time finding that document useful and its the only document ive found... i essentially just want armel
[20:40] <gregc2> on this
[20:40] <gnarface> gregc2: there's also a #debian-arm channel on oftc (not freenode) that might be of help to you
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[20:40] <gregc2> already there ;)
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[20:40] <crazyskeggy> http://pastebin.com/LsPRNpxC
[20:41] <Defiant> gnarr
[20:42] <crazyskeggy> note that this is the 256MB model b
[20:42] <crazyskeggy> (that's ram size)
[20:42] <crazyskeggy> if that makes any difference
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[20:42] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: ok delete the folder, and unpack the source again with with "dpkg-source -x znc....dsc" and yeah, can you try to free up some memory?
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[20:47] <crazyskeggy> Defiant: how can I tell what's using the most ram?
[20:47] <crazyskeggy> lxtask won't start over ssh for some reason
[20:47] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: top then type M
[20:47] <Defiant> uuh kill x
[20:48] <crazyskeggy> ??? x isn't running
[20:48] <Defiant> ok
[20:48] <crazyskeggy> i meant SSH forwarding
[20:48] <crazyskeggy> with XMing
[20:48] <crazyskeggy> (+cygwin)
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[20:49] <crazyskeggy> i pressed M, then what
[20:49] <crazyskeggy> which column do I look in?
[20:49] <crazyskeggy> %MEM?
[20:49] <dreamer> derp. dependency hell while installing cmake
[20:49] <Defiant> yes
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[20:50] <crazyskeggy> top and mysqld are using the most, with less that 1%
[20:50] <Defiant> thats not much
[20:50] <crazyskeggy> (or less than 1.0 anyway)
[20:50] <crazyskeggy> about 0.7ish
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[20:51] <dreamer> http://pastebin.com/9hnQrE89
[20:52] <crazyskeggy> M doesn't seem to sort by %MEM
[20:52] <crazyskeggy> there's a 0.9 near the bottom of the screen
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[20:55] <dreamer> hmm, there are some weird characters at this line in the /var/lib/dpkg/status file. maybe my sd-card is F-ed? -> http://mrtoasted.com/~dreamer/status
[20:57] <crazyskeggy> ok - managed to sort by mem usage now
[20:58] <crazyskeggy> it's using < and >
[20:58] <crazyskeggy> top ones are bash (1.6) sshd (1.5) and networkmanager (0.9)
[20:59] <crazyskeggy> mem info (pressing M)
[20:59] <crazyskeggy> KiB Mem: 220792 total, 92088 used, 128704 free, 11256 buffers
[20:59] <crazyskeggy> KiB Swap: 102396 total, 53588 used, 48808 free, 53224 cached
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[21:20] <crazyskeggy> Defiant:
[21:20] <crazyskeggy> anyone who's been helping me?
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[21:27] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: sry, back.
[21:28] <Defiant> crazyskeggy: Just for fun I started to combile the znc package and it looks like it needs a lot of RAM. Right now its at nearly 300MB
[21:28] <crazyskeggy> ok - I'll try compiling another time on my 512MB pi
[21:29] <crazyskeggy> (I'm using my 256MB pi for ZNC to connect to IRC now)
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[23:10] <karas_> hi, can you help me to find the correct kernel sources for my raspbian? I have "3.6-trunk-rpi" (says uname -r) but I don't find a tarball on github
[23:11] <shiftplusone> This isn't it? https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/archive/rpi-3.6.y.tar.gz
[23:12] <karas_> ok i didnt find this, looks right doesnt it?
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[23:13] <plugwash> karas_, what does uname -a give?
[23:13] <karas_> Linux gateway 3.6-trunk-rpi #1 Debian 3.6.9-1~experimental.1+rpi6 armv6l GNU/Linux
[23:13] <shiftplusone> ah, nvrm then
[23:13] <karas_> now Im confused :D
[23:14] <shiftplusone> doesn't look like the foundation kernel to me
[23:15] <plugwash> karas_, dget -u http://sourcearchive.raspbian.org/main/l/linux-3.6/linux-3.6_3.6.9-1~experimental.1+rpi6.dsc
[23:16] <karas_> I used the latest netinstall image from http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=50310
[23:16] <karas_> thanks plugwash
[23:16] <shiftplusone> that's odd, given than that netinstall has been updated to a 3.10 kernel just recently
[23:19] <karas_> did I do something wrong? It installed everything by itself I didnt had a display connected
[23:19] <karas_> *have
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[23:20] <karas_> should I consider to get 3.10 before I try to compile kernel modules?
[23:21] <shiftplusone> karas_, did you follow the post-install instructions?
[23:21] <karas_> no
[23:21] <shiftplusone> since those would also get you to a 3.10 kernel
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[23:23] <karas_> no I was just stupid and stopped reading as soon as I've seen it running and working
[23:23] <shiftplusone> They're optional, for the most part.
[23:25] <shiftplusone> plugwash, is the bootloader-nokernel package identical to the bootloader package? (aside from the obvious difference)
[23:26] <plugwash> I don't think I made any other changes
[23:26] <plugwash> it may be older sometimes depending on how often I get arround to updating things
[23:27] <shiftplusone> okay thanks. Just making sure I won't run into issues while using the bootloader package and the raspbian kernel.
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[23:41] <karas_> sorry to ask a dump question: how do i get tarballs of kernel sources from github at all? I go to https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux and then...?
[23:41] <karas_> *dumb
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[23:43] <gnarface> karas_: maybe click "Download ZIP" in the bottom of the right column of that page?
[23:44] <gnarface> karas_: i think also you can just: git clone [url]
[23:44] <shiftplusone> karas_, I use the 'download zip' button, then change the extension
[23:44] <gnarface> karas_: (assuming you have git installed)
[23:45] <shiftplusone> if I need to download it quickly anyway. Otherwise, I clone with git.
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[23:48] <karas_> thank you guys
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[23:52] <karas_> I found that this works: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tarball/rpi-patches but Im not sure which version I get then
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[23:53] <shiftplusone> What are you doing exactly?
[23:53] <karas_> I want to follow this tutorial: https://www.grendelman.net/wp/compiling-kernel-modules-for-raspbian-raspberry-pi/
[23:54] <karas_> but I think I need a different kernel version - 3.10
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[23:54] * shiftplusone wouldn't use a tutorial from 2012
[23:55] <karas_> ok good point
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[23:56] <shiftplusone> I cross-compile, so I am not sure how it's done from the pi, but it shouldn't be hard
[23:56] <shiftplusone> download the kernel headers package, then use https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt
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[23:59] <karas_> ok I will try thanks
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