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[1:31] <falten> hi all! debating if i should use rasbian or stick with xbmc distros? would be nice having the ooption of running a few services on the pi but not sure how having a huge distro would slow it down vs. openelec/rasplex?
[1:35] <shiftplusone> I've tried xbmc on raspbian and it works fine.
[1:35] <shiftplusone> Keep in mind raspbmc and xbian are both built on raspbian to begin with.
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[1:38] <falten> so with raspbmc/xbian i've still got a fully working nix machine i can run a few things on potentially or has a lot of the core been stripped?
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[1:39] <shiftplusone> I've been told that raspbmc breaks things
[1:39] <shiftplusone> don't know about xbian
[1:39] <shiftplusone> It's fairly simple to install xbmc on raspbian anyway. So...
[1:41] <falten> yeah
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[6:38] <threat> c is gone
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[6:43] <kingi> but d is left
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[7:16] <azizLIGHTS> if i used raspbian image 2013-09-25-wheezy-raspbian, and wanna get up to date
[7:17] <azizLIGHTS> do i have to get the new 2013-12-20-wheezy-raspbian
[7:17] <azizLIGHTS> how do i do it
[7:17] <shiftplusone> nope
[7:17] <shiftplusone> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[7:18] <azizLIGHTS> im scared to do that, will it break thigns
[7:18] <shiftplusone> no
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[7:44] <Odie_> just backup the card first
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[10:41] <kamos62> hi all!
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[12:33] <M4dH4TT3r> is raspbian actual debian
[12:36] <Humpelstilzchen> no
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[12:37] <M4dH4TT3r> what is it then?
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[12:38] <napos> a cheese sandwich
[12:38] <M4dH4TT3r> I knew it!
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[13:49] <M4dH4TT3r> suggestion get rid of the link on raspbian.org to that shitty sd formatter 4 software and get roadkills diskimage 1.6
[13:51] <M4dH4TT3r> sd formatter doesnt even see the disk because its unformatted, roadkills sees both partitions and physical disks and lets you choose
[13:52] <M4dH4TT3r> also lets you create img's from disks easily
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[15:36] <M4dH4TT3r> where is etc/network/interfaces in raspbian?
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[15:37] <M4dH4TT3r> ok... nm
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[15:38] <M4dH4TT3r> term was telling me something different
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[20:32] <Gooogy> hey
[20:33] <Gooogy> I try to follow a tutorial how to install the drivers for my wifi stick but I dont know what I have to do in this step:
[20:33] <Gooogy> >> build the kernel using the config from �zcat /proc/config.gz� <<
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[20:33] <Gooogy> what do I have to type into the terminal?
[20:35] <sney> let me guess. realtek 8188eu? I don't know why people are selling those for use with rpi
[20:35] <Gooogy> its a RT5572 based one
[20:35] <Gooogy> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=54171&p=447476 here in the latest post iw described how to install
[20:35] <sney> anyway, the command you're looking for - navigate to your kernel source root, then 'zcat /proc/config.gz > .config', then 'make oldconfig'
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[20:38] <Gooogy> ah ok thx
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[20:39] <Gooogy> the step after this is >> install the kernel.img and modules and reboot using them <<
[20:40] <Gooogy> there I also dont know how to do this
[20:41] <sney> well, you need to actually compile the kernel as well. after 'make oldconfig' it's just ready to build. I think the right targets are 'make zImage modules'
[20:41] <sney> there's a kernel compilation document on the elinux.org wiki
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[20:47] <Gooogy> there are many more steps written then just 'zcat /proc/config.gz > .config', then 'make oldconfig'
[20:49] <Gooogy> I made "make oldconfig" but I have to choose between "periodic timer ticks" and "idle dynticks system"
[20:49] <Gooogy> which is the right one?
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[20:59] <Gooogy> there are many questions
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[21:04] <sney> Gooogy: for that stuff, if you don't know, hit enter to accept the default
[21:04] <Gooogy> I did
[21:04] <Gooogy> but I had to make "make" not "make oldconfig" for starting
[21:05] <Gooogy> now it does something...
[21:06] <Gooogy> I hate it thats its so hard to just make a wifi stick running on linux
[21:06] <Gooogy> in windows I just put it in and all is ready
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[21:16] <sney> Gooogy: there are a couple wifi sticks that need this extra effort just because they're too new for the current kernel. most just work, or just work with 1 extra file or so
[21:17] <sney> I don't know why realtek/ralink keep redesigning their wifi nics, it's not like they didn't already have something that supported 802.11n
[21:17] <sney> if they didn't keep doing that it wouldn't be a problem
[21:17] <sney> other companies can make new designs that use the same old driver just fine. sigh
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[21:20] <gnarface> tulip drivers foreva!!!!
[21:20] <gnarface> tulip4lyfe
[21:20] <gnarface> lol
[21:21] <gnarface> Gooogy: building a kernel your first time is something best done after a lot of reading of a howto, its a bit complex for a casual IRC discussion
[21:21] <gnarface> Gooogy: however, if you install the dev libs for ncurses, you should at least be able to make menuconfig and load the old config through that without being prompted serially for 10000 config modifications
[21:23] <hid3> Hello everyone. My RPi which runs latest Raspbian with all updates is used for playing *.wav and *.flac files using mpd. However, it's the 3rd day it is playing the music, and it is the 2nd time the RPi hangs up. Any ideas what might be wrong?
[21:23] <janPasi> i definitely wouldn't bother re-compiling the kernel just to make wifi-stick work, i'd just get another stick :D
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[21:26] <janPasi> hid3: have you overclocked your pi?
[21:26] <gnarface> Gooogy, janPasi: well here's the real thing, if you're just compiling the kernel so you have a kernel with valid headers to compile the module against, it should hardly matter what options you choose as long as you're not actually gonna use the built kernel (which shouldn't be necessary unless its a different version than the target kernel)
[21:27] <gnarface> i've compiled kernels for far more trivial issues, in the past
[21:28] <gregc2> Hey all, I have removed tty2 - tty6 yet the user can still hit alt f2 and obviously not get a shell. how can i remove the alt f2 (i am building a kiosk)
[21:28] <gnarface> its true though that there exist 9$ wifi devices for the pi that are also realtek based and *don't* require a kernel recompile though, so ... my guess is anyone spending more than that for something that doesn't work out of the box is getting ripped off
[21:28] <janPasi> i've never compiled my own kernel during all my years with linux
[21:28] <hid3> janPasi: no, it's running at stock speed and other stock settings
[21:28] <janPasi> and it's been well over ten years that i've used linux exclusively :D
[21:29] <gnarface> janPasi: it was harder to get away without before 2005 when nvidia/amd gaming motherboards rarely could even boot with stock kernels
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[21:29] <janPasi> hid3: ok, that just popped into my mind :)
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[21:29] <hid3> any ideas how to troubleshott this issue?
[21:29] <gnarface> stock kernels have significantly increased in quality in the last 7 years
[21:29] <gnarface> at least from a hardware compatibility standpoint
[21:29] <janPasi> well, i've never owned a gaming motherboars, i'm not that into gaming :)
[21:29] <janPasi> -s
[21:30] <gnarface> if you always used intel video cards and reference spec motherboards, (or 2 year old used dell hardware) you probably never had to
[21:30] <janPasi> i've always been able to run stock kernels
[21:30] <janPasi> first in redhat, then slackware, mint and debian
[21:31] <janPasi> i've had some ati video cards and such, but they've always worked fine
[21:31] <janPasi> i believe i even had one nvidia in the past
[21:31] <gnarface> hid3: did you use rpi-update? if so, my advice would be to try to use a git tag for an older kernel/firmware that used to work and roll back to it
[21:31] <gnarface> hid3: (you can just pass a git tag to rpi-update)
[21:33] <gnarface> janPasi: well, lucky you, but then like you said; you're not that into gaming
[21:33] <janPasi> yeah, that's probably what has saved me :D
[21:33] <gnarface> choosing bleeding-edge hardware is always a waste of time unless you're going for gaming framerates
[21:34] <gnarface> more so now, since framerates of commodity hardware usually easily outpace LCD panels
[21:34] <janPasi> my first linux was redhat 6, so i've been really lucky for 15 years now :D
[21:34] <gnarface> back in the day though the difference between 24 and 32 fps was a big deal
[21:35] <gnarface> the urge to win more at quake would make people do crazy thing
[21:35] <gnarface> *things
[21:35] <janPasi> like compile kernels ;D
[21:35] <gnarface> hah yea
[21:35] <hid3> gnarface: well, there was no time "it used to work". The RPi itself is new, this is a new/fresh install and it's only 5 days or so old. 3 past days it was playing musing and 2 hangups...
[21:36] <MisterL> hid3
[21:36] <MisterL> sorry i'm joining this topic a little late, but i had similar issues
[21:36] <gnarface> hid3: and you're sure the pi itself froze, not just disconnected from the wifi ?
[21:36] <gnarface> hid3: and you DID use rpi-update?
[21:37] <hid3> gnarface: there is no wifi, and yes, I did use rpi-update
[21:37] <hid3> MisterL: thanks, will wait for you chiming in
[21:37] <MisterL> i was able to track it a little, the problem occurs even if you just use speaker-test
[21:38] <hid3> how do you reproduce that?
[21:38] <hid3> well, my problem is that it plays the music fine for more than several hours
[21:38] <MisterL> sometimes it does
[21:38] <hid3> then I leave, return and just find music not playing. Checking my RPi - frozen
[21:38] <MisterL> right
[21:39] <janPasi> could that be heat-related even though your pi is not overclocked?
[21:39] <MisterL> no respond to ping (wired), no response on usb-serial-port, no response on local console
[21:39] <MisterL> i doubt that
[21:39] <MisterL> i first experienced the problem after upgrading
[21:39] <hid3> well, my RPi temperature is not exceeding 50 *C
[21:39] <MisterL> pi ran fine since october or sth
[21:39] <janPasi> oh, ok
[21:40] <MisterL> upgrade damaged something, so i reinstalled using the latest image
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[21:40] <MisterL> i reproduced the error on another pi using another sd card (one class 4, one class 10)
[21:40] <gnarface> hid3: well, my advice still stands; go to github and try a git tag from a kernel/firmware pair at least one minor version older than the current - i've had frequent various regressions with these kernels+firmware from the foundation. some here would recommend you format & reinstall not using one of the foundation's prebuilt images though, and just use the packaged raspbian kernel (without any foundation-provided firmwa
[21:40] <gnarface> re updates)
[21:41] <gnarface> hid3: however you should know that power supply issues could also be related
[21:41] <gnarface> hid3: what are you using to power the thing?
[21:41] <MisterL> i'm not sure if the problem occurs before i installed packages when using the latest image
[21:42] <hid3> The PSU is a 5V 2A USB travel charger
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[21:42] <gnarface> hid3: its probably fine then, but you should see if IT is overheating
[21:43] <gnarface> hid3: i regularly power my pi with a cellphone charger, but many "travel chargers" aren't really meant for extended use
[21:43] <hid3> and the RPi is running off a HDD and not an SD card, FWIW
[21:43] <gnarface> hid3: how are you powering the HDD?
[21:43] <hid3> It's a USb 3.5" drive
[21:43] <gnarface> hmm. so its not externally powered?
[21:43] <gnarface> that could also be an issue
[21:43] <hid3> it IS externally powered
[21:44] <gnarface> oh, good
[21:44] <hid3> I don't think you can find any 3.5" without external power at all
[21:44] <gnarface> eh... you'd be surprised
[21:44] <hid3> doubt
[21:44] <hid3> except those "made in china"
[21:44] <hid3> they make everything there
[21:44] <hid3> even usb to rj45 converters
[21:44] <gnarface> maybe not full sized ones, but the important thing is the pi can't send full USB voltage to its usb ports
[21:45] <hid3> well, it's not power related, I'm almost sure
[21:45] <gnarface> just throwing it out there
[21:45] <hid3> I've loaded the RPi to 100% cpu, did some disk activity with transfers and it doesn't hang up
[21:45] <hid3> it freezes ar nearly idle activity
[21:45] <hid3> *at
[21:45] <gnarface> no wifi on the other usb ports?
[21:45] <hid3> no nothing
[21:45] <hid3> just the drive and ethernet
[21:45] <gnarface> ok, yea probably not power then unless there is a problem with the power line itself
[21:46] <gnarface> but you should make sure that the travel charger isn't getting too hot
[21:46] <gnarface> just to be sure
[21:46] <gnarface> my advice to roll back to an older kernel still stands
[21:46] <hid3> really, it doesn't even get warm
[21:47] <hid3> any more ideas on troubleshooting this?
[21:47] <MisterL> get an old version
[21:47] <janPasi> see what got upgraded and start narrowing it down from there?
[21:47] <hid3> this is really disappointing when you expect much, invest money, have everything up and running and it just hangs up randomly...
[21:48] <ppq> hid3: try overvolting it a bit
[21:48] <MisterL> i finally stopped working on it and used a backup from august, but i'm not sure which release that is
[21:48] <hid3> ppq: how?
[21:48] <ppq> hid3: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/overvolting
[21:49] <hid3> What that will give?
[21:49] <Gooogy> gnarface, i chose this wifi stick because its 5ghz and relatively cheap
[21:50] <hid3> USB interrupt rate reduction <-- I probably want this one
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[21:51] <gnarface> hid3: i really sypathize. i'm simply trying to tell you what you need to do without getting in trouble for speaking my real mind about the foundation's quality control on their kernel+firmware updates
[21:52] <gnarface> hid3: you should really be just fine if you avoid their prebuilt images and their blackbox firmware/kernel updates, its just somewhat more work that's all
[21:52] <janPasi> gnarface: why shouldn't you be able to speak your mind about that?
[21:52] <janPasi> how would that get you into trouble?
[21:52] <gnarface> hid3: of course we had to go through the other common issues just to cover all bases, make sense?
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[21:52] <gnarface> janPasi: lol. just go into #debian and ask abrotman about me "speaking my mind" and i'm sure it'll become clear to you
[21:53] <hid3> is it possible I just have an unlucky Pi which will keep hanging no matter what I do?
[21:53] * gnarface gets in trouble alot for vitriolic diatribes
[21:53] <Gooogy> hmm my building of kernel (that whats going on after I wroter "make") semms not to work, after ~10 minutes its crashed with error /bin/sh: 1: bc: not found
[21:53] <Gooogy> make[1]: *** [kernel/timeconst.h] Error 127
[21:53] <Gooogy> make: *** [kernel] Error 2
[21:53] <janPasi> mm... ok...? :D
[21:53] <gnarface> janPasi: by "in trouble" i mean silenced/banned/ostracized/etc
[21:53] <janPasi> Gooogy: apt-get install bc
[21:53] <ppq> it needs a calculator? lol
[21:54] <janPasi> that is interesting, indeed :D
[21:54] <Gooogy> what is bc?
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[21:54] <janPasi> it's a calculator basically
[21:54] <janPasi> "bc is a language that supports arbitrary precision numbers with interactive execution of statements."
[21:54] <janPasi> from the manpage
[21:54] <gnarface> hid3: yes, that IS possible, but in my experience its almost never the hardware (unless its the SD card or power supply) and its almost ALWAYS a problem with the latest firmware+kernel from the foundation
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[21:55] <gnarface> hid3: really, try rolling back to some other versions before you just scrap it all and return it
[21:55] <gnarface> hid3: if you want i'll give you the git tag id from the last version of their kernel *i* had no complaints about, but its from the end of 2012 so it may no longer even be viable
[21:56] <gnarface> hid3: incidentally, have you tried any other music playback software, just to do a comparison of stability ?
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[21:57] <janPasi> if it hangs with speaker-test, i doubt that switching music players makes difference :D
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[21:57] <gnarface> oh MisterL did say that, didn't he? i had forgotten
[21:57] <hid3> I dont' know if it hangs with speaker-test
[21:57] <MisterL> i did, mine does
[21:58] <hid3> and no, I did not try any other players
[21:58] <hid3> since it's only the 3rd day it's playing music
[21:58] <gnarface> MisterL, hid3 both of you paste the output of "uname -a" please
[21:58] <MisterL> Linux audio 3.6.11+ #538 PREEMPT Fri Aug 30 20:42:08 BST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[21:58] <MisterL> thats the running version
[21:58] <gnarface> its one line so feel free to paste in-channel
[21:58] <MisterL> same equipment as the crashing one, but stable for some days
[21:59] <hid3> sorry, my RPi is 10 miles away and is hung now. I need to drive to restart it tomorrow, that's why I want as much ideas as possible today...
[21:59] <gnarface> ah
[21:59] <gnarface> bummer
[22:01] <MisterL> hid, try this image and don't upgrade anything. i hope it will work at least to test the stability of your hardware: http://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/raspbian/2013-07-26-wheezy-raspbian/
[22:01] <MisterL> *hid3
[22:01] <hid3> well, this means reinstalling the RPi completely?
[22:02] <gnarface> hid3: since you're looking for ideas... its also worth mentioning remote reboot powerstrips are available for cheap, and make many a sysadmin's life much easier
[22:03] <hid3> not sure how I will make a remote reboot with the RPi being the only device having ethernet port there
[22:03] <hid3> and for cheap, I doubt this will be <$50
[22:04] <hid3> for the price of $50, I can buy an old laptop with gigahertz cpu, gig ram and enjoy it's stability
[22:04] <gnarface> hid3: i've seen them for 10$
[22:04] <gnarface> hid3: they're basically just a power strip with an ethernet port and a built-in super generic http interface
[22:05] <gnarface> hid3: not safe to put on the public internet, but perfectly fine if you've already got a firewall
[22:05] <MisterL> well
[22:05] <hid3> okay, so each time the RPi will hang up, my GF will be calling me to "reboot" the Pi? Seriously, is this a solution?
[22:05] <gnarface> hid3: the fancier ones can turn individual power sockets on/off individually and tell you what the current draw is on each socket
[22:06] <MisterL> i got something like that, but the crappy interface is http only, so the htaccess-authentication isn't worth shit but just annoying
[22:06] <MisterL> wouldn't operate that 10miles away
[22:07] <Gooogy> are there other devices like raspberry pi, maybe a bit smaller? and for best with integrated 5ghz wifi? ^^
[22:07] <gnarface> hid3: no no, you misunderstand my meaning - all i'm saying is that even once you have a fix for THIS bug, its inevitable that over the course of an infinite timeline you (or something you installed) might crash it again, ... user error is a bitch. i'm saying there are ways around user error in this case. you don't need to be a victim of it every time.
[22:07] <hid3> OK, it's minutes past midnight. I'd better go to sleep since I'll need to wake up tomorrow early morning before my work, just to drive 10+10 miles to "visit" the RPi
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[22:08] <MisterL> good luck
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[22:34] * gnarface can't even save himself, doesn't know why he keeps trying to save everyone else
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[22:52] <gnarface> bonus points for anyone who can come up with a script that cleanly removes everything rpi-update sprays over the filesystem so one can roll an existing install back to using the packaged raspbian kernel without a full reinstall
[22:53] * gnarface hasn't bothered to reverse-engineer the script, just jumps back and forth between different versions known-working for different purposes
[22:53] <shiftplusone> gnarface, don't need to do anything fancy. Reinstall the bootloader-nokernel package and the kernel one. Then also the libraspberrypi packages
[22:53] <gnarface> shiftplusone: that will safely overwrite everything rpi-update put in place?
[22:54] <gnarface> compelling... i might try that
[22:54] <shiftplusone> don't know if it's literally everything, but everything that matters, at least.
[22:54] <shiftplusone> actually wait.
[22:54] <gnarface> ?
[22:54] <gnarface> well i'm not gonna do it right now, don't worry
[22:54] <gnarface> not without taking a backup first
[22:54] <shiftplusone> if you install libraspberrypi packages, that will pull in the bootloader package, which will replace the bootloader-nokernel package
[22:55] <gnarface> raspberrypi-bootloader and bootloader-nokernel are mutually exclusive, or??
[22:55] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel and raspberrypi-bootloader, yeah.
[22:55] <gnarface> hmmm. interesting
[22:56] <shiftplusone> I installed bootloader instead of nokernel and then renamed the kernel to kernel-raspbian.img to make sure that it never gets overwritten and that works for me.
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[22:56] <shiftplusone> (in config.txt)
[22:57] <jacqe> Does anyone know where the wl_egl_* symbols can be found for compiling EGL/GLES apps for Wayland?
[22:57] <gnarface> jacqe: they might go in /opt or something annoying like that.
[22:57] <jacqe> I'm running Weston on raspbian right now, trying to build some of the example apps
[22:57] <gnarface> jacqe: i think people typically copy them out or make symlinks to /usr/include
[22:57] <gnarface> jacqe: i forget what package they're in
[22:57] <jacqe> gnarface: I did a nm /opt/vc/lib/*|grep wl_egl and didn't find it
[22:58] <gnarface> jacqe: try /opt/vc/include ?
[22:58] <gnarface> jacqe: try grep -rni 'wl_egl' /opt/*
[22:58] <jacqe> gnarface: I already have wayland-egl.h what I need is the library that provides those symbols
[22:59] <gnarface> ah, well i'm suspecting there are only a few libraries in there
[22:59] <jacqe> the symbols are not listed on /var/lib/dpkg/info/libwayland0:armhf.symbols
[22:59] <gnarface> hmmm.
[23:00] <gnarface> tried adding /opt/vc/lib/ to the ld library path?
[23:00] <jacqe> it alreday is. im using the GLES2 and EGL libraries from there.
[23:00] <shiftplusone> jacqe,
[23:00] <gnarface> hmm. maybe you're missing something then
[23:00] <shiftplusone> Build error: undefined reference to `wl_egl_...
[23:00] <shiftplusone> Somehow, cairo-egl is getting used, when it should not. Remove the dummy wayland-egl.pc, and make sure --disable-wayland-compositor is in the configure line.
[23:00] <shiftplusone> http://wayland.freedesktop.org/raspberrypi.html
[23:01] <jacqe> shiftplusone: I saw that, and it is not. I'm using gcc directly, pkgconfig is not part of this
[23:01] <shiftplusone> ah
[23:02] <shiftplusone> Not much else from google
[23:02] <jacqe> gcc -I/opt/vc/include -I/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads -L/opt/vc/lib -lwayland-client -lwayland-cursor -lGLESv2 -lEGL simple-egl.c
[23:02] <jacqe> shiftplusone: exactly, if this is a packaging goof I'd assume to find many hits on Google, so I'm assuming its something I'm doing wrong
[23:03] <gnarface> jacqe: i'm assuming there is a missing package from the raspbian repos
[23:03] <gnarface> jacqe: i'm not sure which one though
[23:04] <gnarface> jacqe: compilation headers and runtime libraries in debian *are* traditionally packaged seperately though
[23:04] <gnarface> jacqe: first thing i'd look for typically is any packages named [packagename]-dev that were installed but didn't have a matching [packagename] package installed
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[23:04] <gnarface> jacqe: the naming convention isn't always quite that literal though
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[23:05] <gnarface> jacqe: in case you didn't know though, you can: apt-get update && apt-cache search ^[packagename prefix]
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[23:08] <jacqe> gnarface: I'd assume that if I have the header, the library should at least be a dependency
[23:08] <gnarface> jacqe: yea, you'd assume that but unfortunately the real world isn't always that fair
[23:08] <jacqe> also I want to point out that I'm typing this into a Weston terminal right now. Wayland is working, and the wayland-egl library should be a dependency for that working... soo...
[23:09] <gnarface> jacqe: these types of dependencies are tied in on a per-package-version basis and are often easily overlooked initially
[23:09] <jacqe> someone in #Weston just sent me a link http://people.collabora.com/~daniels/rpi-egl/libraspberrypi0_1.20130524-1~nokernel2co9rpi1_armhf.deb
[23:10] <jacqe> it apparently contains the raspberrypi userspace libraries plus a libwayland-egl in /opt/vc/lib which is missing in the regular package
[23:10] <gnarface> jacqe: i don't know shit about wayland or weston (couldn't get them working myself) but especially when working with stuff that's not part of debian core, its not helpful to get caught up on these types of "shoulds" because fringe packagers are often abyssimal at following the rules
[23:11] <jacqe> gnarface: on stock Raspbian all you need to do is type weston-launch
[23:11] <gnarface> those types of dependencies, you see, aren't enforced by the core... any one could create a package and forget to add the dependency
[23:12] <gnarface> so keeping in mind i haven't even tried what you're trying, don't discount my advice on what to check that you have or have not installed based simply on "shoulds"
[23:12] <jacqe> I'd normally be running arch or gentoo, but expected since raspbian was the "main" distro for raspberrypi that it'd have the most up to date packaging. Apparently I was wrong, gentoo has working wayland 1.3 on raspberrypi (raspbian 1.1 - and apparently missing critical libraries)
[23:13] <gnarface> "should have", "could have", "would have" < famous last words across all of history
[23:14] <gnarface> jacqe: well, here's the deal, debian is NOT up-to-date in that sense traditionally. they view security in a completely opposite way from gentoo, so that was a fundamentally flawed assumption you made from the start
[23:14] <gnarface> jacqe: secondarily, current raspbian is based on debian "stable" (wheezy) and debian defines stable as "packages don't chagne"
[23:15] <gnarface> jacqe: that's important to understand because it means things will be implicitly "old"
[23:15] <gnarface> jacqe: you might have better luck with the raspbian based on debian testing (jessie)
[23:15] <jacqe> but why? Everything with raspberrypi is so bleeding edge still
[23:15] <gnarface> jacqe: as far as i know there is not yet a raspbian based on debian unstable (sid) because of difficulty syncing with sid which is far TOO UNSTABLE
[23:16] <gnarface> jacqe: but the guy who is authoritative on these issues is plugwash, and you should talk to him, because i really ... don't know shit
[23:17] <gnarface> jacqe: my vague guess as to the issue is that everything in raspberry pi is bleeding edge still, so that means pairing it with a base that is also bleeding edge makes the issues actually magnified
[23:17] <gnarface> jacqe: but i've heard talk that once jessie settles down they may move to that as the baseline
[23:17] <gnarface> jacqe: (even though the debian project advises against it)
[23:18] <gnarface> jacqe: i *think* the raspbian jessie works, for some values of "works" though, so maybe its worth checking into for you
[23:18] <gnarface> jacqe: but honestly so far from what you've told me i'm not clear on whether you have a real problem or just a refusal to apt-cache search for the package you're missing, based on a perfectly valid (but naive) assumption that it should have been installed already
[23:19] <gnarface> jacqe: if you know the name of the *library file* you're missing, you can in fact install a tool called apt-file and use that to search for the file in the packages, it might make it easier
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[23:23] <gnarface> jacqe: you've already wasted more time arguing with me than it would have taken you to check these things yourself, so the cost/benefit ratio of your moral high ground is in question, but please understand that i DO seriously sympathize
[23:24] * gnarface thinks this would be much easier for you if gentoo supported the raspberry pi
[23:25] * gnarface thinks you should try to get them to do it
[23:25] <jacqe> gentoo does support raspberrypi, I was just apparently made the wrong assumption that since the articles I read about Wayland on raspberrypi all talked about raspbian that this would be debugged
[23:26] <gnarface> it does??? really?
[23:26] <gnarface> i might try it
[23:26] <shiftplusone> gentoo works just fine on the pi (with the obvious time problems)
[23:26] <gnarface> can you bootstrap gentoo using distcc entirely yet?
[23:26] * gnarface wouldn't try to bootstrap gentoo on the pi alone without distcc... made that mistake once with a mac
[23:27] * gnarface burned out what at the time was (and in fact still is) ~800MB of VERY EXPENSIVE 133MHz laptop ram
[23:27] <gnarface> but what took the mac days would take the pi ... MONTHS
[23:28] <jacqe> I haven't tried it myself. I just got this my first raspberrypi in the mail a week ago and am trying to set it up for a workshop in a few weeks with middle school students
[23:28] <gnarface> jacqe: personally i blame the wayland/weston project entirely for their own lack of distro support. you can't always expect the distros to do the heavy lifting for every single new fringe project that pops up
[23:29] <jacqe> gnarface: fringe lol
[23:29] <gnarface> yea, its fringe still
[23:29] <gnarface> deal with it
[23:29] <gnarface> the notion that it shouldn't be fringe is still wishful thinking
[23:29] <gnarface> and whether i agree with that or not, its still fringe until they step up and fix their support issues
[23:29] <gnarface> it is no easier to get it working in debian stable
[23:30] <gnarface> "can get it working with tweaks on debian unstable or gentoo" does not qualify as "support"
[23:30] <gnarface> that qualifies at best as punting it in the right direction
[23:30] <gnarface> shit my mouth is getting away from me
[23:31] <gnarface> sorry guys i'm gonna stfu before i get banned from here too
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[23:31] <shiftplusone> gnarface, heh, in a bit of a grumpy mood today or something?
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[23:34] <jacqe> you talk like one of the guys at our local hackerspace. :)
[23:34] <jacqe> I really don't want to get into distro politics, and I realize this is #Raspbian, I just need to get this stuff setup properly for a raspberrypi workshop I'm doing and trying to figure out how to get all this to work
[23:36] <jacqe> I'm working with some middle school kids on Python programming and running a 2 week program focused on 3d game programming
[23:36] <shiftplusone> good on you
[23:37] <jacqe> I'm basing it on a friend's python 3d engine which has very initial support for raspberrypi but because it uses VC's EGL/GLES2 directly it doesn't have any import support, Wayland would give us input support without having to do much more on the EGL/GLES2 front
[23:37] <jacqe> I've written most of the code for this already but started hitting issues trying to compile it on raspberypi
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