#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-01-09

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[0:06] <jacqe> ok I found the code I needed. There was a pull request 3 months ago from Collabora but it was never acted on, and I can't get the Collabora repository to work right when i run apt-get update
[0:07] <jacqe> http://raspberrypi.collabora.com/
[0:07] <jacqe> it keeps saying this repository is duplicated and suggests i run apt-get update again
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[1:21] <frank2e> I heard that the SD card with Raspbian I created on windows with that special program (forgot the name) makes it impossible to make a simple 1:1 backup of the sd card. Can anyone tell me how I can duplicate my sd card the easiest way?
[1:22] <frank2e> (For lets say using the same configured Raspbian on another RPi)
[1:28] <shiftplusone> frank2e, is the card you want to copy to the same size?
[1:29] <frank2e> shiftplusone, yes
[1:30] <shiftplusone> sometimes they may be the same size, but off by a little bit, since 8GB on one card might not be the same as 8GB on another. If, they actually are the same size, then you should be able to use win32diskimager without any problems
[1:30] <shiftplusone> there's a read and a write button so read from the card to an img and then write that img to another card.
[1:31] <frank2e> ah okay
[1:31] <frank2e> was just wondering because the tutorial I went trough for setting up raspbian said that its not possible to clone an existing raspbian card for backups
[1:32] <shiftplusone> got a link?
[1:32] <frank2e> sadly I lost that
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[1:33] <frank2e> last question for today: If I have my raspbian setup and running well on a 16gb card and I'd like to use that on a 32gb card. is that possible too or does that end in problems?
[1:34] <sney> afaik, a 32GB card will work, but you're better off keeping your important data on a more reliable volume than a SD card
[1:34] <frank2e> (for future easy upgradings so I dont have to setup a new raspbian manually)
[1:35] <sney> the pi can trash a SD card in a bunch of different ways, so if you just want more space for data, use a regular small SD card and keep /home on a usb drive for instance
[1:36] <frank2e> oh, nearly forgot that one: The task bar on the bottom has 3 main shortcuts. file manager, web browser and iconify all windows. Id like to add the terminal shortcut right there and change the shortcut of the web browser to some different browser. Is that possible?
[1:37] <shiftplusone> you can easily copy to a larger card. You can copy to a smaller card too, but there's an extra step involved.
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[1:37] <sney> frank2e: for the taskbar, right click one of those icons and select 'application launch bar settings'
[1:37] <sney> you'll get a dialog where you can add/remove other icons
[1:37] <frank2e> sney got it thanks. Im not a smart man sometimes.
[1:38] <sney> lxde is not the most intuitive either, for changing settings anyway
[1:38] <frank2e> I thought I have to go to several terminal commands to change that. dang thats easy.
[1:38] <frank2e> :)
[1:41] <frank2e> mmmhhh
[1:42] <frank2e> when I try to move the downloaded truecrypt.gz from /home/pi/Downloads to /usr/local/bin (via drag and drop, the newbie way) it tells me "truecrypt.gz: Error moving file: Permission denied
[1:42] <frank2e> "
[1:42] <shiftplusone> frank2e, lots of things wrong with that
[1:43] <shiftplusone> first is that you don't have permissions to write to /usr/local/bin
[1:43] <shiftplusone> second is that....what you're trying to do makes no sense.
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[1:43] <frank2e> Yeah, Im going trough a tutorial which tells me to move it right there
[1:43] <shiftplusone> link?
[1:43] <frank2e> mom
[1:44] <shiftplusone> take your time, son =P
[1:44] <frank2e> (its german) http://jankarres.de/2013/04/raspberry-pi-truecrypt-installieren-und-mounten/ downloaded the prebuilt package and started from step 8 where it says to move it there
[1:44] <frank2e> :)
[1:45] <shiftplusone> where does it say to move the .gz file?
[1:45] <frank2e> already tried to build tc myself with that tutorial but it didnt really work out well. so im starting with his prebuilt truecrypt version
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[1:46] <frank2e> "Step 8; If you downloaded my brebuilt truecrypt version you have to move it to /usr/local/bin [...]"
[1:46] <shiftplusone> yes, but it doesn't say to move the .gz file there
[1:46] <shiftplusone> hint: a gz file is an archive, kind of like a zip file
[1:47] <frank2e> I thought there was some random reason for extracting it there and not somewhere else :>
[1:47] <frank2e> following tutorials as good as possible, he didnt mention to extract it yet so thats why I tried
[1:47] <frank2e> :D
[1:47] <shiftplusone> what you're trying to do would be a windows equivalent of trying to copy a zip file into C:\windows\system32
[1:47] <frank2e> oh lol
[1:48] <shiftplusone> I recommend you also look up some tutorials on linux permissions and also learn what 'sudo' is for
[1:49] <sney> I really need to finish my article about that
[1:49] <sney> frank2e: this might help as well. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf
[1:51] <frank2e> mmhh I think I have to search something similar in an explain it like im 5 style in germany which covers all the basics
[1:51] <frank2e> *in german
[1:53] <sney> I think if you replace 'en' in that url with 'de' you'll get the deutsch version
[1:53] <sney> yep
[1:53] <frank2e> holy pie, yes! this is exactly what I need!
[1:54] <frank2e> installing my printer driver and printing that stuff out right now :))
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[7:35] <M4dH4TT3r> hello?
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[7:35] <M4dH4TT3r> haveinng trouble with raspbian
[7:35] <M4dH4TT3r> does not accept passwords fromm putty
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[7:36] <M4dH4TT3r> keeps saying access denied
[7:36] <shiftplusone> what are you using?
[7:36] <shiftplusone> username and password I mean
[7:36] <M4dH4TT3r> then after a min "server unexpectedly closed network connection"
[7:36] <M4dH4TT3r> root and pi
[7:37] <shiftplusone> where did you get the idea that that was the password? The download page has the correct login information.
[7:37] <M4dH4TT3r> where?
[7:37] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[7:37] <shiftplusone> "Default login"
[7:38] <M4dH4TT3r> I tried default passwords like raspberry and what I changed them too
[7:38] <shiftplusone> use the username 'pi'
[7:38] <M4dH4TT3r> did
[7:38] <shiftplusone> and the password whatever you set
[7:38] <M4dH4TT3r> did
[7:38] <M4dH4TT3r> root and pi =usernames
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[7:39] <shiftplusone> sounds like you forgot your password =S. Do you have a screen and keyboard attached or is it headless?
[7:39] <M4dH4TT3r> raspberry and changed to = passwords
[7:39] <M4dH4TT3r> yes
[7:39] <M4dH4TT3r> atached
[7:39] <shiftplusone> and you are able to login normally, but not over ssh?
[7:40] <M4dH4TT3r> yes
[7:40] <shiftplusone> Did you change the sshd config?
[7:40] <M4dH4TT3r> how?
[7:40] <M4dH4TT3r> you mean turn ssh on
[7:40] <M4dH4TT3r> see prob is same as last install with deb
[7:41] <shiftplusone> Nuh, I mean did you go turning of password logins and setting up keys and such
[7:41] <M4dH4TT3r> I install setup then turn off and move then and will let me remote in once but no more after
[7:42] <shiftplusone> That's really strange
[7:42] <M4dH4TT3r> did same thing with deb
[7:42] <M4dH4TT3r> and RPITC
[7:43] <shiftplusone> Is it saying the password is wrong or just access denied? PuTTY should have an option to enable debug info. Can you find that?
[7:43] <shiftplusone> or check the sshd logs on the pi itself and see the reason there
[7:43] <M4dH4TT3r> just access denied
[7:44] <M4dH4TT3r> what is command for ssh logs?
[7:44] <shiftplusone> just look in /var/log/
[7:45] <M4dH4TT3r> regen_ssh_keys.log?
[7:45] <shiftplusone> nuh. I can't find the file on raspbian. Just a sec, I'll check where it logs... if anywhere
[7:45] <M4dH4TT3r> ok
[7:47] <shiftplusone> auth.log
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[7:50] <M4dH4TT3r> think I may have found prob
[7:50] <M4dH4TT3r> su root giving same error
[7:50] <shiftplusone> What was it?
[7:50] <M4dH4TT3r> sec
[7:52] <M4dH4TT3r> neither raspberry or custom are working
[7:53] <M4dH4TT3r> sev
[7:53] <shiftplusone> what's the error though?
[7:53] <M4dH4TT3r> authentication failure
[7:53] <shiftplusone> I mean the actual error from the logs... surely there's something interesting there.
[7:54] <M4dH4TT3r> failed password for pi from x88 port 8218 ssh2
[7:55] <shiftplusone> able to sudo -i ?
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[7:55] <M4dH4TT3r> yes
[7:55] <shiftplusone> maybe try changing them again and retrying
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[7:58] <M4dH4TT3r> how to change pass for pi
[7:59] <shiftplusone> after running sudo -i, run 'passwd' to set one for root. Then run 'passwd pi' to set one for pi
[7:59] <M4dH4TT3r> it let me change for root
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[8:03] <M4dH4TT3r> ok now it will let me ssh in but before i move and retest, how familar are you with vnc x11 server?
[8:03] <shiftplusone> familiar enough to use it
[8:04] <M4dH4TT3r> Im getting "connect: Connection refused (10061)
[8:04] <shiftplusone> are you using vncserver or x11vnc?
[8:04] <M4dH4TT3r> x11vnc
[8:04] <shiftplusone> how are you launching it? Did you change any defaults?
[8:05] <M4dH4TT3r> no
[8:05] <shiftplusone> and how are you connecting? what are you using as the port?
[8:05] <M4dH4TT3r> whatever vnc viewer uses by default
[8:06] <M4dH4TT3r> prob 5900
[8:07] <shiftplusone> yeah. On the pi, what's the output of netstat -a ?
[8:10] <M4dH4TT3r> pastebin.com/tg1y5PZU
[8:11] <shiftplusone> you don't have x11vnc running
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[8:13] <M4dH4TT3r> doesn't start on boot?
[8:13] <shiftplusone> no sir
[8:13] <M4dH4TT3r> can be made to?
[8:13] <shiftplusone> yeah, I haven't bothered to though.
[8:14] <M4dH4TT3r> what is command to start it?
[8:14] <shiftplusone> x11vnc
[8:14] <M4dH4TT3r> -_-
[8:14] <shiftplusone> last thing you'd guess, ey?
[8:15] <M4dH4TT3r> lmao
[8:15] <M4dH4TT3r> tried bashing andd start
[8:18] <M4dH4TT3r> wtf?
[8:19] <M4dH4TT3r> ssh'd in again and tried x11vnc and says command not found
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[8:19] <shiftplusone> then maybe you're not using x11vnc as you said. Is vncserver found?
[8:20] <M4dH4TT3r> no did it again and is working
[8:23] <M4dH4TT3r> strange
[8:24] <M4dH4TT3r> selected a bunch then r clicked and its inputting every line as command
[8:24] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's how copy/paste works
[8:25] <M4dH4TT3r> didnt copy or paste only r-click after select
[8:25] <shiftplusone> again, that's how copy/paste works
[8:26] <M4dH4TT3r> hmm dif from nix or win
[8:26] <shiftplusone> nope, it's a standard nix thing and putty copies the behaviour
[8:27] <shiftplusone> don't spend much time in console, ey?
[8:27] <M4dH4TT3r> in nix I select then r-click then copy
[8:27] <M4dH4TT3r> yes II do actually
[8:27] <shiftplusone> Well, you've just learned a shortcut then.
[8:28] <shiftplusone> Select and middle click to paste. Right click also works in console.
[8:28] <M4dH4TT3r> although i dont spend to much time on deeb flav
[8:28] <shiftplusone> it's not a debian thing
[8:28] <shiftplusone> it's universal
[8:28] <M4dH4TT3r> will test that ;)
[8:29] <M4dH4TT3r> nope doesnt do in ubuntu
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[8:30] <M4dH4TT3r> or adb
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[8:31] <M4dH4TT3r> thanks for all the help shiftplusone I will be trying to get to start on boot in 5 mins if your around (need smoke)
[8:31] <shiftplusone> hurray for canonical making things more awkward then (if it was their decision to disable it)
[8:31] <shiftplusone> take care
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[8:53] <M4dH4TT3r> wtf?
[8:53] <M4dH4TT3r> just came back and looks like 100% if cpu is being used
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[8:54] <shiftplusone> yeah, you should really not be using x11vnc if you don't even have a screen attached
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[8:55] <M4dH4TT3r> tightvnc?
[8:55] <shiftplusone> apt-get install tightvncserver
[8:55] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah i know that part
[8:55] <shiftplusone> then vncserver to launch it
[8:55] <M4dH4TT3r> but that will use minimal cpu?
[8:56] <shiftplusone> yeah, stop and disable the lightdm service too
[8:56] <M4dH4TT3r> glad i noticed before adding to boot
[8:57] <shiftplusone> vncserver is not going to be much better, but at least it should have a little less overhead
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[8:59] <M4dH4TT3r> did sudo apt-get remove x11vnc
[8:59] <M4dH4TT3r> cpu still at 100%
[8:59] <shiftplusone> you got X running
[9:00] <M4dH4TT3r> kill wouldnt parse
[9:00] <shiftplusone> did you stop lightdm?
[9:01] <M4dH4TT3r> same won't parsewhat is lightdm?
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[9:01] <shiftplusone> won't parse? what are you doing?
[9:02] <M4dH4TT3r> what is lightdm?*
[9:02] <M4dH4TT3r> kill
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[9:02] <shiftplusone> know how to manage service?
[9:02] <shiftplusone> (lightdm is the DM... like GDM, KDM... whateverDM)
[9:03] <M4dH4TT3r> used to lack of use like math makes forget thats why rpi
[9:04] <shiftplusone> service lightdm stop
[9:04] <shiftplusone> update-rc.d lightdm disable (or it might be disable lightdm)
[9:06] <M4dH4TT3r> is lightdm the desktop?
[9:07] <M4dH4TT3r> after "service lightdm stop" screen is black with blinking cursor
[9:09] <M4dH4TT3r> hello?
[9:10] <M4dH4TT3r> got ssh terminal though
[9:14] <M4dH4TT3r> so what ios dif between armhf andd armhl?
[9:15] <shiftplusone> lightdm is not the desktop, no. Difference is that ahrmhf is hardfloat and armel isn't (in debian terms)
[9:16] <M4dH4TT3r> then why did stop lightdm make consol screen go black with cursor?
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[9:18] <shiftplusone> I am happy to help out, but you're asking things you can easily google.
[9:18] <M4dH4TT3r> display manager
[9:18] <M4dH4TT3r> and I am googleing most of the time
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[9:25] <M4dH4TT3r> getting 64.9% usage still
[9:25] <M4dH4TT3r> going to reboot though
[9:25] <shiftplusone> that's normal
[9:26] <shiftplusone> for running an X server, even if it's virtual
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[9:27] <M4dH4TT3r> got down to 51.1
[9:28] <M4dH4TT3r> after reboot
[9:28] <Megaf> Hi everyone!
[9:33] <shiftplusone> hey
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[9:33] <M4dH4TT3r> update-rc.d lightdm disable brings back insserv warnings
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[9:37] <M4dH4TT3r> pastebin.com/rNpk9eFs
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[9:39] <M4dH4TT3r> and taht command put cpu back at 100%
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[9:42] <M4dH4TT3r> pastebin.com/emGymaeQ
[9:54] <M4dH4TT3r> how can I tell what service is using so much cpu?
[9:54] <Humpelstilzchen> top
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[9:58] <M4dH4TT3r> thanks
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[10:09] <M4dH4TT3r> who is user "nobody" ???
[10:09] <Humpelstilzchen> the user who usually runs daemons and background processes
[10:09] <M4dH4TT3r> ahh
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> That idea is sort of deprecated now though.
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> it's typically the highest user-id in the system though.
[10:14] <M4dH4TT3r> does tightvncserver use port 5900 by default?
[10:15] <shiftplusone> use the display number instead of the port
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[10:17] <M4dH4TT3r> keeps getting stuck in handshaking
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[10:20] <M4dH4TT3r> getting connection refused
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[10:22] <M4dH4TT3r> then if I try ssh through tightvncviewer just gets stuck handshaking
[10:23] <M4dH4TT3r> after password prompt
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[10:50] <M4dH4TT3r> ok what is rasbian app to change resolution?
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[11:21] <gordonDrogon> when startring vncserver or natively?
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[11:51] <M4dH4TT3r> vnc
[11:51] <M4dH4TT3r> actually both
[11:53] <M4dH4TT3r> installing conky-cli at the moment though cause havent figured out where to access conky-std
[11:56] <M4dH4TT3r> you know command to configure conky?
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[12:01] <gordonDrogon> never heard of it.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> vncserver uses the command-line to spevify it's virtual framebuffer size.
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[12:02] <gordonDrogon> not sure about the Pi console directly - you can fiddle with /boot/config.txt but I'd always set it to whatever the monitor/tv can support.
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[12:05] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah its looking like conky is not what i wanted
[12:05] <M4dH4TT3r> there were a few features of another img i wanted to install on raspbian is all
[12:05] <M4dH4TT3r> one being the system monitor the other being the boot screen
[12:06] <M4dH4TT3r> otherwise I want to remove all these rasbian packages that do not meet my needs at all and are completly useless to me like mathamatica
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[12:18] <janPasi> M4dH4TT3r: conky is a system monitor, it's configured by editing .conkyrc in your home directory
[12:19] <janPasi> it can do pretty much everything you'd ever want a system monitor to do
[12:20] <janPasi> but since the configuration is done via text-file, it can be a bit tricky
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[12:20] <janPasi> it has an excellent manual page though, and by googling you'll find loads of example configs
[12:21] <janPasi> it also has it's own irc channel (#conky) on freenet
[12:21] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah I want it to look like img on rpitc.blogspot.com (pics there) w2as much smoother on that image than raspbian too (more than with -b)
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[12:23] <janPasi> M4dH4TT3r: that is conky
[12:23] <M4dH4TT3r> ok how about this question than janPasi how do I remove all these packages I dont want?
[12:23] <janPasi> apt-get remove [package_name]
[12:24] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah I know that part
[12:24] <janPasi> ok? what's your problem?
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[12:24] <M4dH4TT3r> where do I get all the package names though that were installed by default?
[12:25] <janPasi> dpkg -l
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[12:26] <janPasi> that will list all the installed packages
[12:27] <janPasi> you might want to pipe it through less to have the output paged (i.e. dpkg -l | less)
[12:29] <janPasi> M4dH4TT3r: the conky "theme" you want is called "gotham"
[12:29] <M4dH4TT3r> how do I configure the theme though?
[12:29] <janPasi> to make it look like it does on rpitc.blogspot.com
[12:29] <janPasi> you get the appropriate conkyrc-file and place it under your home directory
[12:30] <janPasi> .conkyrc, that is
[12:30] <janPasi> the restart conky
[12:31] <janPasi> http://psyjunta.deviantart.com/art/Gotham-Conky-config-205465419
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[12:32] <janPasi> the author says the font is no longer available, but someone has managed to find it (in the comments)
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[12:33] <janPasi> the restart conky = theN restart conky :D
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[12:44] <M4dH4TT3r> thanks janPasi also something thats annoying me atm anything i open is locked to the top left of the screen and wont move like a regular window (probably something i did) where do i change back to norm
[12:45] <janPasi> you mean your windows won't move?
[12:46] <M4dH4TT3r> yes
[12:46] <janPasi> hmm, do your windows have borders?
[12:46] <M4dH4TT3r> no
[12:46] <janPasi> maybe you killed your openbox (the window manager)
[12:47] <janPasi> open up terminal and type "openbox &"
[12:47] <janPasi> without the quotes of course
[12:47] <M4dH4TT3r> ohh already did and that was it thannks
[12:47] <janPasi> np
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[13:02] <gregc2> Hey all, I have removed tty2 - tty6 yet the user can still hit alt f2 and obviously not get a shell. how can i remove the alt f2 (i am building a kiosk)
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[13:13] <inch> Do you use X11?
[13:14] <inch> If do, you can set X server option to disable changing vt's. If not, perhaps you can remove the tty2 with deallocvt command.
[13:15] <gregc2> interesting
[13:15] <gregc2> i do not use x11
[13:15] <gregc2> its just a console telnet terminal
[13:18] <gregc2> will that still remove the binding. as in if they retry will it reallocate
[13:23] <inch> Pressing Alt-Fx won't allocate vt x
[13:24] <inch> But if some application allocates it, then user can switch to it.
[13:33] <gregc2> gotcha
[13:33] <gregc2> will test it out
[13:33] <gregc2> im using a compiled c binary of wy60 from google. I dont think it will ;-)
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[14:01] <M4dH4TT3r> all i want is ssh terminal apt and base commands, what packages do i need to keep?
[14:02] <M4dH4TT3r> and networking of course
[14:02] <mpmc> M4dH4TT3r: Have you tried, https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst?
[14:03] <M4dH4TT3r> no but i will check it out now
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[14:04] <M4dH4TT3r> mpmc sounds good how do you tell model B though?
[14:05] <mpmc> M4dH4TT3r: Does it have ethernet?
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[14:06] <M4dH4TT3r> yes
[14:06] <mpmc> There's your answer..
[14:06] <M4dH4TT3r> b
[14:06] <M4dH4TT3r> ?
[14:07] <mpmc> Model A have NO ethernet whereas B's do.
[14:08] <M4dH4TT3r> wow that must suck with no eth0
[14:08] <mpmc> Not really.
[14:08] <M4dH4TT3r> doesnt it have 1/2 the ramm too?
[14:08] <mpmc> Some model B's have 256 too. I have two myself.
[14:09] <janPasi> model a is probably more for embedded things
[14:09] <janPasi> robots and such
[14:09] <janPasi> therefore no need for eth0
[14:09] <janPasi> http://www.themagpi.com/
[14:10] <janPasi> that's an interesting magazine that has published a variety of different projects that can be built upon pi
[14:10] <janPasi> ethernet would be pretty useless in something like a quadcopter :D
[14:13] <M4dH4TT3r> no not really you could use for an additional dev
[14:13] <M4dH4TT3r> i mean if your doing a minimalist built sure but...
[14:14] <M4dH4TT3r> ohh i have book
[14:14] <janPasi> then for additional dev you could just as well plug into monitor and keyboard
[14:14] <janPasi> not worth configuring network
[14:15] <janPasi> and ssh and such
[14:17] <M4dH4TT3r> no i mean so they could communicate on copter
[14:18] <janPasi> over ethernet? :o
[14:18] <M4dH4TT3r> ya
[14:18] <janPasi> erm, wouldn't the network cable pose some sort of problem? :D
[14:18] <M4dH4TT3r> how?
[14:18] <janPasi> well if the copter is a few hundred meters on the air...
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[14:19] <M4dH4TT3r> no no so 2 pi's could communicate between eachother
[14:19] <janPasi> i believe they would rather user pi's gpio for that
[14:20] <M4dH4TT3r> depends on the 2nd dev
[14:20] <M4dH4TT3r> and setup
[14:20] <janPasi> i'm not sure i'm following you :D
[14:21] <janPasi> but if that's something you'd want to do for whatever reason, just go with model b :)
[14:21] <M4dH4TT3r> say you have copter with 1 pi and a cell phone for instance then use usb/eth for communication between pi and phone then control over phones cdma
[14:22] <M4dH4TT3r> or even voice command
[14:22] <janPasi> wouldn't you be better off using usb-cellmodem on pi?
[14:23] <janPasi> i.e. 3g/4g dongle
[14:23] <M4dH4TT3r> not if voice interpreter were on phone to save pi resources
[14:23] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah i have a few
[14:24] <M4dH4TT3r> plus you could have onboard/input monitor for the pi
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[14:24] <M4dH4TT3r> input/monitor*
[14:24] <janPasi> yep, i really am not following you :D
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[14:24] <janPasi> but that's ok :D
[14:24] <M4dH4TT3r> lol and tell ppl to get the fk out the way with speaker phone
[14:25] <M4dH4TT3r> im all about using what you have to do shit rather than buying shit to do stuff
[14:25] <janPasi> my point was simply that you can do a lot without ethernet
[14:26] <janPasi> but if you feel you need the ethernet, just pick a model that has one :D
[14:26] <M4dH4TT3r> actually i think i waited for the B to come out before i bought ;)
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[14:27] <janPasi> mine is a b-model too
[14:28] <janPasi> it's working as mediaplayer and such
[14:28] <janPasi> i've been trying to make spotify (or rather despotify) run on it, but the searches fail for some reason :(
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[14:29] <janPasi> it's probably a problem with despotify, i should look into it
[14:29] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah i had xbmc on mine before but opted for something else
[14:29] <M4dH4TT3r> was to slow on pi
[14:30] <M4dH4TT3r> so im picking up xbox at thrift store for about $10 and putting xbmc on that
[14:30] <janPasi> yeah, i figured that would be the case so i didn't even try xbmc
[14:31] <janPasi> i'm running plain raspbian with omxplayer for videos and music player daemon for music
[14:31] <M4dH4TT3r> got wii's with homebrew and wiiMC ready to go once this pi serv is up
[14:31] <M4dH4TT3r> nas is good, net config is perfect
[14:32] <M4dH4TT3r> lol was just thinking im going to do usb raid 1 on pi too when done
[14:33] <M4dH4TT3r> will be good for servs
[14:33] <janPasi> raid is ok, but as a backup it doesn't really work
[14:34] <janPasi> it only protects you from disk failures, not your own stupidity ;D
[14:34] <janPasi> a proper backup system should in my opinion do both
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[14:36] <M4dH4TT3r> ohh no once servers are done (on sd card) i will just put lock on, usb's are for files
[14:37] <janPasi> put lock on?
[14:37] <M4dH4TT3r> sdcard
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[14:37] <janPasi> ok, you will need to do some extra work for that to work though
[14:38] <janPasi> the os will want some places that it can write to
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[14:38] <M4dH4TT3r> ya ik
[14:38] <janPasi> :)
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[14:53] <M4dH4TT3r> wtf now...
[14:54] <M4dH4TT3r> running xzcat raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz > /dev/mmcblk0p1 as guide you linked me to says mpmc and see pi power light but nothing on screen
[14:55] <mpmc> Use the kernel.img from the rpi github
[14:56] <M4dH4TT3r> where?
[14:56] <mpmc> M4dH4TT3r: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[14:58] <mpmc> Copy all files, but you may need to rename kernel.img to the same as in the image, kernel_installer.img (I think?)
[14:59] <M4dH4TT3r> am I flashing the pi's firmware is that what youre saying?
[14:59] <M4dH4TT3r> looks like
[15:01] <mpmc> M4dH4TT3r: Can you see the partitions on the card after you've burnt the image?
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[15:07] <M4dH4TT3r> no
[15:08] <mpmc> M4dH4TT3r: You should be able to see the fat partition at least, did you take it out and put it back in?
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[15:11] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah it looks like xzcat isnt doing its job at all
[15:12] <M4dH4TT3r> so i will just unzip and flash
[15:12] <mpmc> M4dH4TT3r: I just use dd :p
[15:13] <M4dH4TT3r> :P thats what i was going to do
[15:13] <mpmc> :p
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[15:22] <gregc2> inch, that was exactly what i needed
[15:22] <gregc2> thank you
[15:29] <M4dH4TT3r> mpmc looks like dd if=raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M did it right but still nothing on display
[15:31] <M4dH4TT3r> had like 32mb first partition
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[15:35] <gregc2> anyone know how to print the console tty to a printer directly. I am looking to print the visible area only...
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[15:42] <mpmc> M4dH4TT3r: If power & ack is on, then I'd give it 20 odd mins until the it settles then try ssh in.
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[15:51] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah mpmc just had some hotdogs for breakfask and came back and there is a terminal on the screen (I only let it run because it looked like it was doing something on the indicatior lights)
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[15:54] <M4dH4TT3r> what is the root pass?
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[15:57] <M4dH4TT3r> nm
[16:14] <M4dH4TT3r> in /etc/network/interfaces is it dns-nameservers or nameservers or both?
[16:16] <sney> man 5 interfaces
[16:16] <sney> but I think it's nameservers
[16:16] <M4dH4TT3r> k thanks
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[16:42] <smokkin> good mornin
[16:43] <mpmc> M4dH4TT3r: Hotdogs for Breakfast? That's no breakfast :p Glad to hear it's working now though :)
[16:47] <smokkin> so i just got told off by a friend of mine, telling me im gunna break my pi. been playing with 'duino for a while now, still think im right, just wanted a 2nd opinion (...)
[16:49] <M4dH4TT3r> hotdogs are a mans breakfast! and I eat raw elk meat for dinner!
[16:49] <smokkin> my goal is to check a switch at boot, and use it to change boot options. turns out im heading back to work early, and have little time (...)
[16:51] <smokkin> i wanted to just throw a jumper across 2 of the pins, and call it a switch for now. i understand i could pull too much thru the uC... i was gunna use the internal pull up on a pin, and then output a gnd without pulldown on an adjacent pin
[16:51] <smokkin> since its already got a beefy internal pull up resistor, and im just pulling it to gnd anyway, not shoving 5v down its throat or anything, should be fine
[16:51] <smokkin> any thoughts?
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[17:43] <hid3> MisterL: Hi, I have the output of the uname -a command (continuing yesterday's discussion)
[17:44] <hid3> gnarface, you might be interested in that too, probably
[17:44] <gnarface> hid3: i just wanted to see if you two were using the same version
[17:45] <hid3> Linux safira 3.10.24+ #614 PREEMPT Thu Dec 19 20:38:42 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[17:45] <hid3> I believe this is the latest
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[17:58] <MisterL> i think so too, the december-image was the one that i tried to setup
[18:00] <MisterL> did you install any packages already?
[18:00] <MisterL> does it crash?
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[18:03] <hid3> Some additional packages
[18:03] <hid3> and yes, in 3 days it crashed 2 times
[18:03] <MisterL> oh ok, i thought you might have reinstalled
[18:04] <hid3> No
[18:04] <hid3> too much set up for a reinstall...
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[18:06] <MisterL> i got advice from my linux nerd friend to run watch -n0.1 "dmesg|tail" so i might have got an output error. i got, but i didn't find any solution. i'm not that deep into linux, though :/
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[18:14] <ppq> tail -f /var/log/dmesg
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[18:29] <hid3> MisterL: what was the error?
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[18:36] <MisterL> i dont remember, it's been a few days and it has been different messages each time
[18:36] <Merothy> Hey any 1 here know how to set up a ftp to a lamp server
[18:37] <MisterL> i'll check my browserhistory
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[18:39] <hid3> well, the error message would be useful
[18:39] <hid3> at least we'd know which function it fails on
[18:44] <MisterL> ok, i found the last line, but nothing else: [<c0078bb00>] (kdb_main_loop+0x3c0/0x6c0) from [<c007b2b0>] (kdb_stub+0x154/0x380)
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[18:46] <hid3> oh, great
[18:46] <hid3> seems like a kernel panic occurs
[18:46] <hid3> MisterL: would you like your RPi to autoreboot after this crash?
[18:47] <MisterL> not really, no
[18:47] <MisterL> since the old backup works i'm fine anyway ;)
[18:47] <hid3> ok
[18:47] <MisterL> i just cant update, that's not good
[18:47] <hid3> I hope my issue is also software only and not hardware/PSu/temperature related
[18:47] <MisterL> so i'm truely interested in this
[18:49] <MisterL> i think it's software since the old version runs very stable on the same hardware
[18:49] <Merothy> do you guys rember the code to update the hardware on the RPi?
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[18:50] <hid3> update the hardware?
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[18:51] <Merothy> yeah i saw it somewhere , there is something to update the Rpi hardware
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> code to update hardware?
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> new one on me...
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> unless it's overclocking, or adding new codecs...
[18:59] <gnarface> i assume he means rpi-update
[19:00] <gnarface> but its just gonna break stuff
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> which updates software ...
[19:00] <gnarface> well and *firmware*
[19:00] <gnarface> which i'm assuming is what he's confused about
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> Hmm.
[19:00] <gnarface> he also wants to use ftp
[19:00] <gnarface> not gonna touch that
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> I use ftp ...
[19:00] <MisterL> me too
[19:00] * gnarface sighs
[19:01] <gnarface> you guys should all switch to sftp
[19:01] <gnarface> its built into openssh server
[19:01] <gnarface> and isn't a gaping security hole or a pain in the ass to run through a NAT
[19:01] <MisterL> well that NAT-trouble isnt that bad
[19:01] <gnarface> and windows software exists that has the same familiar ftp-style interface to work with it
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> ftp is handy at times. mostly use rsync these days.
[19:01] <gnarface> there is literally no reason left to use actual ftp
[19:02] <ppq> gnarface: performance
[19:02] <MisterL> on "public" ftps encryption would be better
[19:02] <ppq> ftp is faster than sftp on the rpi
[19:02] <gnarface> there are however, many good reasons not to
[19:02] <ppq> but i agree with you, sftp should be favored
[19:02] <gnarface> ppq: if performance is your concern you should be using NFS
[19:02] <Humpelstilzchen> <-- uses rsync
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[19:13] <MisterL> umm.. one thing on the rpi-update.. it doesnt write somthing to the pi itself, only on the sd, right?
[19:13] <Humpelstilzchen> yes
[19:14] <MisterL> does aptitude upgrade install that new firmware as well?
[19:15] <Merothy> whats the diffrent betwen ftp and sftp
[19:15] <ppq> with sftp you don't have to worry about anything, it just works. and usually it's already there, ready to use
[19:16] <ppq> practically speaking
[19:16] <Merothy> ah
[19:16] <Merothy> ill manily use my to learn PHP
[19:17] <Merothy> and basicly learn how to use the server :P
[19:17] <MisterL> i think that what it is for. learn stuff :)
[19:17] <Merothy> yeah
[19:18] <Merothy> i liked the idea they did with buy 1 give 1
[19:18] <Merothy> i mean in africa , a pi is like a new world to some of them
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[19:20] <viticleri> hi
[19:20] <Merothy> Hi
[19:20] <Merothy> i want to get 1 of those camera modules to my pi
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[20:04] <hid3> Is /boot being checked after a bad shutdown ever?
[20:04] <hid3> I've rebooted my RPi (cleanly) but in dmesg I see this: FAT-fs (mmcblk0p1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[20:04] <hid3> shouldn't it take care of this automatically?
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[20:05] <gregc2> Hey all, I would like to take a screen shot/scrape of the console text of a text based raspbian box. Does anyone know how to do that and bind it to a key on the keyboard then print it?
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[20:10] <ppq> gregc2: showterm or asciinema, if you want to share it afterwards
[20:11] <gregc2> how abotu getting it
[20:11] <gregc2> ?
[20:12] <gnarface> hid3: i think its being checked, but there is a known bug in the current version of dosfsutils on raspbian and nobody seems to think its worth upgrading
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[20:13] <hid3> well
[20:13] <hid3> needs to be fixed... :)
[20:14] <gnarface> hid3: i agree, but i'm in no position of authority. if you fsck it with a newer version of dosbox connected to some other machine i believe the error will go away
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[20:21] <hid3> strange it's known but still is not fixed
[20:21] <hid3> I was under impression that Raspbian is being developed really fast
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[20:28] <sney> is the bug present in debian too?
[20:29] <sney> there might be a patch in wheezy/updates that hasn't hit raspbian yet, or so
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[20:29] <hid3> doubt debian cares much about 'vfat' partitions
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[20:29] <hid3> I like filesystems as I like girls: fat and 16
[20:30] <sney> debian cares about its packages not being broken
[20:30] <sney> (* usually)
[20:30] <sney> but something common like dosfstools would normally be patched pretty quickly
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[20:37] <gnarface> i was led to believe through my googling that its a problem that is kernel-version specific
[20:37] <gnarface> so it likely doesn't show up in debian stable because debian stable isn't running a 3.10 kernel
[20:38] <gnarface> the kernel version and dosfstools version in wheezy likely match better
[20:38] <gnarface> and don't have the error
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[20:38] <gnarface> although that makes me wonder if installing the packaged raspbian kernel instead of the rpi-update one would get around this issue
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[20:44] <pritesh> Hey whats popping
[20:48] <gregc2> my zits
[20:50] <rcassidy> yum
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[21:15] <viticleri> lsmod
[21:15] <Odie_> parport 46562 1 lp
[21:15] <Odie_> floppy 70207 0
[21:15] <Odie_> 8139too 32177 0
[21:16] <hid3> strange Pi you have
[21:21] <sney> gnarface: wheezy-backports is on 3.10 though, I think.
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[21:29] <kichuku> What are recommended softwares for loading raspbian into sd card into raspberry pi using windows 7
[21:30] <shiftplusone> win32diskimager
[21:30] <shiftplusone> or this http://www.roadkil.net/program.php?ProgramID=12
[21:31] <viticleri> hi shiftplusone
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[21:31] <shiftplusone> ahoy
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[21:51] <blynn_> So if the pi is online will the OS get updates automatically
[21:52] <gnarface> blynn_: it will?
[21:52] <blynn_> great
[21:52] <gnarface> blynn_: ???
[21:53] <blynn_> I need a cheap ftp server but I count on security being up to date
[21:53] <gnarface> sney: well, i wasn't under the impression that backports isn't really "supported" necessarily, but now that you point it out, i notice dosfstools is NOT in backports, so that's mildly annoying. the version in jessie is new enough though, i believe
[21:53] <sney> you would need to set up unattended upgrades for them to install automatically, blynn_
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[21:54] <gnarface> blynn_: i believe it does NOT do that by default but its not hard to set up
[21:54] <blynn_> k
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[21:57] <gnarface> blynn_: its been beat to death already but i feel compelled to mention that you should use sftp instead of ftp, especially if you care about security at all
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[22:02] <blynn_> can I build c programs that run on the pi
[22:02] <sney> blynn_: yes
[22:03] <blynn_> is there a dev environment/tools
[22:03] <gnarface> sure
[22:03] <gnarface> oh yea
[22:03] <sney> build-essential
[22:03] <sney> and whatever editor you like. it's linux
[22:03] <blynn_> great
[22:03] <gnarface> don't expect too much out of the build times though
[22:03] <gnarface> its kinda a slow cpu
[22:03] <blynn_> but robust c++ features?
[22:04] <gnarface> same c++ features any other linux distro has, pretty much
[22:04] <blynn_> sold
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[22:05] <blynn_> how about the VLC player
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[22:05] <gnarface> eh, it still needs a recompile to work acceptably
[22:06] <gnarface> it can be done but i'd recommend omxplayer if you can stomach it
[22:06] <gnarface> xmbc is really popular to use though, it also requires being specially compiled for the pi
[22:06] <blynn_> and what's that long row of pins along the board
[22:06] <gnarface> GPIO
[22:06] <blynn_> yea
[22:07] <blynn_> a hard drive?
[22:07] <gnarface> uses SD card by default
[22:07] <blynn_> The GPIO is what exactly
[22:07] <gnarface> oh, General Purpose I/O i think is what it stands for
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> General Purpose Input/Output
[22:07] <blynn_> so a hard drive
[22:08] <gnarface> i think you can hook anything you want to it if you know how to adapt it, but no, its not the same as an IDE bus
[22:08] <gnarface> most people if they want a real harddrive use the USB ports
[22:08] <blynn_> got it thanks.
[22:08] <gnarface> there is GPIO information on the internet, you can google it up
[22:08] <gnarface> people hook all kinds of stuff to the gpio
[22:09] <gnarface> but most of it requires some soldering
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> you can use breadboards and jumper wires.
[22:09] <blynn_> yikes
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> for an example.
[22:09] <gnarface> s/soldering/knowledge of circuitry
[22:10] <blynn_> so a cheap external USB drive and a video player and this thing will show movies all day
[22:10] <gnarface> yea sure
[22:11] <gnarface> they have to be h264 though unless you buy the extra keys
[22:11] <gnarface> its not fast enough to play anything really without using the built-in hardware decoder components, and h264 is the only one unlocked for free
[22:11] <gnarface> few people really need anything else but the other keys are only a couple $ each
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> h264 is built-in.
[22:13] * gnarface makes a mental note to buy a key for the mpeg2 decoder
[22:13] <blynn_> good to know
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[23:16] <kichuku> Does anyone have the hash check for latest raspbian .img file?
[23:17] <shiftplusone> 2013-12-20-wheezy-raspbian.img ?
[23:17] * shiftplusone asks to stall while the zip extracts.
[23:18] <gnarface> kinda rude of them not to post it next to the download link really
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[23:19] <shiftplusone> those checksums are for the zip files rather than the img files though, aren't they?
[23:19] <ppq> 9ddd7b605e0d8d90b01b3fcf241061fd Downloads/2013-12-20-wheezy-raspbian.img
[23:19] <ppq> (someone confirm please)
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[23:20] <shiftplusone> ah, yeah, that's what the download page and it's not for the zip file
[23:20] <shiftplusone> So, I guess they fixed that then =)
[23:21] <gnarface> the last one i downloaded was 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.zip so i can't verify
[23:21] <shiftplusone> =S
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[23:21] <shiftplusone> 50299dfe7ad9c04f180c526807a1218249265e11 2013-12-20-wheezy-raspbian.img
[23:22] <shiftplusone> oh, there's a 2014 image
[23:22] <shiftplusone> didn't notice the new release
[23:22] <gnarface> wait are we talking about md5 or sha1 sums?
[23:22] <shiftplusone> sha1
[23:22] <ppq> oh, mine is md5
[23:22] <ppq> :>
[23:23] <shiftplusone> heh
[23:23] <ppq> ok, sha1 gives me the same
[23:23] <ppq> i was worried there for a second
[23:23] <shiftplusone> I guess it doesn't matter since the latest image isn't the one we have anyway
[23:24] <shiftplusone> and I only checked the first two numbers when I said what you pasted matches the information on the download page.
[23:25] <ppq> close enough ;)
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