#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-01-14

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[1:11] <raspbian-pi> looking for a way to install TOR on raspbian... searching leads to contradictory information
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[1:42] <espitz> o/
[1:43] <espitz> had a question
[1:43] <espitz> I recently ran a rpi-update on my pi
[1:43] <espitz> seemed to be fine until I rebooted
[1:43] <espitz> now it sort of hangs on boot
[1:45] <espitz> once it gets the the usb devices it stops there and waits indefinitely
[1:45] <espitz> it is recognizing all the usb devices... In fact I can even plug/unplug USB devices and get messages that they've been disconnected/reconnected
[1:45] <espitz> but the boot wont proceed
[1:45] <espitz> any ideas?
[1:49] <gnarface> espitz: lots of people complaining about issues with the latest kernel/firmware
[1:50] <gnarface> espitz: depending on the contents of your /boot/config.txt and what you're running you may be able to avoid the issue though
[1:51] <espitz> I've got the SD card in another machine right now. I can edit the config
[1:52] <espitz> but I'm not sure what to change, to be honest
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[1:52] <espitz> and although this appears to be related to USB, it doesnt boot if unplug all USB devices either
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[1:55] <espitz> it gets just a hair further through the boot and hangs at "...eth0: register smsc95xx at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet"...
[1:57] <gnarface> i think its probably best you go back to the previous kernel
[1:58] <gnarface> the one you were running when it worked
[2:00] <gnarface> the usb thing is probably a red herring, its probably just the last thing that actually works before it hans
[2:00] <gnarface> *hangs
[2:00] <espitz> one of my much needed USB devices doesnt work with the earlier kernel
[2:00] <espitz> is there a way for me to try one from the previous kernel?
[2:00] <espitz> err
[2:00] <gnarface> pastebin your /boot/config.txt
[2:01] <espitz> http://pastebin.com/P6qFeQd4
[2:03] <espitz> just commented out all the OC settings.... still no love
[2:03] <gnarface> you sure?
[2:05] <gnarface> i think you should comment out everything and try that
[2:05] <espitz> standby... I'll pastebin the alt config I just tried
[2:06] <espitz> http://pastebin.com/Jth0m6nh
[2:07] <espitz> all that's left is: gpu_mem=256; arm_freq=700; framebuffer_width=1280; framebuffer_height=720; and hdmi_drive=2
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[2:07] <gnarface> yea i think you should comment all those out
[2:07] <gnarface> it still freezes after eth0? or does it do something different?
[2:08] <gnarface> and this is with no usb devices plugged in, right?
[2:09] <gnarface> and you haven't done anything crazy like moved the root partition or any other required partitions off the SD card onto a USB device, right?
[2:10] <espitz> I did in fact
[2:10] <espitz> I've been running with /root on USB stick for a while
[2:10] <espitz> it doesn't really freeze
[2:10] <gnarface> by root partition i meant / not /root
[2:10] <gnarface> i know that's confusing
[2:11] <espitz> its still running... I can plug in a keyboard, it's recognized and then I can type
[2:11] <gnarface> "/" is the root partition, "/root" is just root's home directory
[2:11] <gnarface> root partition = top of the tree, "root" in this context is not to be confused with the admin user "root"
[2:11] <espitz> sorry
[2:11] <espitz> i was being confusing too
[2:11] <gnarface> so it finishes booting??
[2:11] <espitz> I moved the root to a USB stick
[2:11] <gnarface> what exactly is the problem?
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[2:12] <espitz> it never finishes boot
[2:12] <espitz> I can type, letters show up on screen
[2:12] <espitz> but it's not actually doing anything
[2:12] <gnarface> can you ssh in remotely over the ethernet port?
[2:12] <espitz> no I cannot
[2:12] <gnarface> can you ping it by IP ?
[2:12] <espitz> great question
[2:12] <espitz> let me check
[2:13] <espitz> no
[2:14] <espitz> it does not respond to pings
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[6:00] <espitz> gnarface: I pulled up a backup image and re-ran rpi-update
[6:00] <espitz> everything working fine now
[6:00] <espitz> so I guess rpi-update messed up somehow
[6:02] <hifi> what about not using it?
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[6:08] <espitz> not using rpi-update?
[6:08] <hifi> yes
[6:10] <espitz> mmmk
[6:10] <espitz> the better alternative is?
[6:11] <shiftplusone> I wonder if people would stop using if it was renamed rpi-bork
[6:12] <espitz> lol
[6:12] <espitz> probably not
[6:12] <espitz> do you think people understand half the commands they type in command-line?
[6:12] <shiftplusone> the firmware in the repos is currently Jan 6 2014 21:19:57 which is pretty damn recent.
[6:12] <espitz> half of them make no sense anyway
[6:12] <espitz> at least to me
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[6:14] <shiftplusone> rpi-update is to test specific firmware revisions. It's not meant to be used to keep the firmware 'up to date'
[6:14] <espitz> case-in-point... I didnt know that
[6:14] <espitz> guess I'll avoid it from now on.
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[6:38] <hifi> raspbian repos have 20130524 build of firmware
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[8:14] <shiftplusone> don't see the point of using the raspbian firmware (raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel) over the foundation firmware (raspberrypi-bootloader)
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[11:07] <dexta> morning
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[11:39] <wouter> hi -- where's the source for the kernel on the 2014-01-07 raspbian image?
[11:41] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[11:41] <wouter> thanks
[11:42] <shiftplusone> can't tell you which exact commit it's on, but it doesn't really matter.
[11:42] <wouter> nah, I can figure that out
[11:42] <wouter> any particular reason why it's not simply in a package?
[11:43] <shiftplusone> I don't know for a fact that it's not, but if it isn't it's because the foundation folks don't have time for that sort of thing
[11:43] <shiftplusone> (and don't seem to realise the importance of it)
[11:43] <wouter> right
[11:44] <shiftplusone> There is, however, a separate kernel packaged by the raspbian folks rather than the foundation folks
[11:44] <hifi> foundation also packages the kernel but I doubt there's any source package for it
[11:44] <hifi> but as shiftplusone said, raspbian kernels are packaged and distributed just like debian kernels
[11:45] <wouter> yeah, I did notice that, which did confuse me a bit
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[13:08] <hid3> my RPi playing music has just hung up... GREAT...
[13:09] <hid3> :(
[13:10] <janPasi> hid3: somebody else had the same problem earlier
[13:11] <janPasi> hid3: it's likely to do with firmware/os updates
[13:13] <hid3> crap. How can I solve this once and for all? My GF is blaming on me being a dumb*** for offerring her such a "great anc cheap" solution.
[13:13] <hid3> and FWIW, the 'somebody' you refer is probably me too
[13:14] <hid3> my RPi freezes after ~1.5 days of uptime when the music is played (daily starting from 9 AM till 8 PM)
[13:14] <hid3> this is really really really really annoying. Needs to be fixed ASAP is this is a software problem
[13:15] <kingi> save some money and buy real hw if u need it to actually work
[13:15] <kingi> rpi is for fiddling around and being annoyed
[13:15] <janPasi> yeah, i can see that would be really annoying
[13:15] <hid3> yeah. Probably will be buying a cd player with FM capabilities
[13:16] <janPasi> you should probably file a bug report
[13:16] <hid3> file a bug report? I don't have any errors, etc..
[13:16] <janPasi> well it's still a bug if it hangs
[13:16] <janPasi> it shouldn't do that
[13:16] <hid3> okay. Where do I file the bug?
[13:17] <janPasi> of that i have absolutely no idea, sorry :(
[13:17] <janPasi> somebody else probably knows
[13:17] <janPasi> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianBugs
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[13:18] <janPasi> that would seem like a good candidate
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[13:21] <shiftplusone> hid3, github... raspberrypi... firmware
[13:21] <janPasi> of course it could also be that your pi-board is flaky
[13:22] <hid3> great...
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[13:22] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[13:22] <janPasi> one bad tinning on the board is all it takes for electronics to start acting up
[13:22] <shiftplusone> sorry, wrong link
[13:23] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues
[13:23] <hid3> can anyone please provide me the `uname -a1 output with the latest kernel (Jan 6 IIRC)?
[13:24] <shiftplusone> I can't since I am not running on the foundation kernel
[13:24] <shiftplusone> have you tried going back to old firmwarE?
[13:25] <janPasi> i'm not sure mine is the latest :D
[13:25] <hid3> no, because I do not know which firmware should I choose
[13:25] <hid3> janPasi: care to post your uname -a?
[13:25] <hid3> my RPi ir hung
[13:25] <janPasi> Linux ropi 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:25] <janPasi> sorry, wrong machine :D
[13:25] <hid3> wrong one
[13:25] <janPasi> yeah :D
[13:25] <shiftplusone> just pick a date and use a random commit. Bisect between working and non-working and you can find the latest that works
[13:25] <janPasi> Linux rassoaivi 3.10.25+ #622 PREEMPT Fri Jan 3 18:41:00 GMT 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[13:26] <janPasi> that's the correct one
[13:26] <hid3> it's not the latest one I believe
[13:26] <hid3> is it?
[13:26] <hid3> IIRC it was on Jan 6
[13:26] <janPasi> like i said, i don't know
[13:26] <janPasi> works fine for me
[13:26] <shiftplusone> The firmware I have is Jan 6th
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[13:27] <janPasi> how do you check the firmware version?
[13:27] <shiftplusone> md6sum of the foundation kernel: 194fa2363d3847183fde59667355d048 /boot/kernel.img
[13:27] <shiftplusone> vcgencmd version
[13:27] <janPasi> jan6
[13:28] <janPasi> so that seems to be the latest
[13:28] <janPasi> that's probably not your problem then, since my pi is working fine
[13:28] <shiftplusone> but is it under the same conditions?
[13:28] <janPasi> yeah, pretty much
[13:29] <janPasi> well, apart from the external dac that i use
[13:29] <shiftplusone> hid3, are you using hdmi audio?
[13:31] <hid3> no
[13:31] <hid3> the conventional one
[13:31] <shiftplusone> janPasi, are you using the audio jack as well or this external dac of yours?
[13:32] <janPasi> nuforce's usb-dac for music and hdmi-audio out for video
[13:32] <shiftplusone> so... not the same conditions at all then.
[13:33] <hid3> Any hints on what info should I include in the bug report?
[13:33] <janPasi> do you think using analog audio out could be the issue?
[13:34] <shiftplusone> hid3, information about your power supply and tp1-tp2 voltage. What you have tried (firmware from a year ago and from a month ago would be good). What sort of uptime you are getting... does it depend on load? what usb devices are connected?
[13:35] <janPasi> it might also be worth mentioning that you are using analog audio-out
[13:35] <janPasi> just in case that is what's causing issues
[13:36] <shiftplusone> janPasi, no idea. I just wouldn't be quick to rule things out. It seems like the power supply is not the issue (and that's responsible for 90% of the problems)... so there's not much left that could be causing it
[13:37] <janPasi> what makes you sure it's not power supply? ;D
[13:37] <janPasi> *te
[13:37] <janPasi> *the
[13:37] <hid3> Anyone willing to borrow me a PSU?
[13:37] <shiftplusone> I am not... but I don't want to keep prodding hid3 about it.
[13:37] <hid3> to rule this out?
[13:37] <shiftplusone> If you're in Melbourne, sure.
[13:38] <janPasi> well i'm in oulu, so just come and get one :D
[13:38] <hid3> yeah, I'm nearby. I'm in Vilnius
[13:38] <hid3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1268969 <-- please take a look at this
[13:38] <shiftplusone> raspbian?! this has nothing to do with raspbian >_<
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[13:41] <hid3> And this has to do with what then?
[13:41] <shiftplusone> <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues
[13:41] <janPasi> it can well be a raspbian issue too
[13:41] <shiftplusone> no
[13:42] <hid3> How do we know this is firmware and not raspbian package/module/etc?
[13:42] <shiftplusone> because you're using the foundation kernel and modules, not the raspbian one
[13:42] <janPasi> oh, that's a different case then
[13:43] <shiftplusone> and if a package was causing it, then we'd need figure out if it's an upstream problem or not.
[13:43] <hid3> guys. Not sure which kernel I'm using. I've installed raspbian and did update/upgrade
[13:43] <hid3> I didn't do the rpi-upgrade
[13:43] <hid3> or whatever that command is
[13:43] <shiftplusone> hid3, did you install from the download on raspberrypi.org/downloads?
[13:43] <hid3> yes
[13:44] <hid3> exactly
[13:44] <shiftplusone> then you're using the foundation kernel and modules
[13:44] <shiftplusone> and the image you are using is made by the foundation as well
[13:44] <hid3> ok then...
[13:47] <hid3> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/247
[13:51] <janPasi> it's a bit confusing that there are two separate versions of raspbian
[13:51] <janPasi> the raspbian version and the foundation version
[13:51] <janPasi> why is that?
[13:51] <shiftplusone> nuh, raspbian is the distribution... a set of packages compiled for the pi, built from debian.
[13:51] <shiftplusone> that's 1 raspbian
[13:52] <janPasi> yeah?
[13:52] <shiftplusone> Now, you can take raspbian and roll your own image and call it PasiOS or whatever
[13:52] <shiftplusone> it's still raspbian
[13:52] <shiftplusone> that's kind of like what the foundation did
[13:52] <janPasi> well the foundation calls it raspbian
[13:53] <shiftplusone> rightfully so
[13:53] <janPasi> i'm not following?
[13:53] <shiftplusone> they saw raspbian, they liked it, adopted it as the recommended distro and rolled an image with the things they think are necessary
[13:53] <janPasi> so now there are two different versions
[13:54] <shiftplusone> what's the non foundation version?
[13:54] <shiftplusone> do you see an up to date image distributed on the raspbian website?
[13:54] <shiftplusone> there are multiple installation methods, I would say
[13:55] <janPasi> well there is this http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[13:55] <shiftplusone> right... that's not official either
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[13:56] <janPasi> very confusing indeed... :D
[13:56] <shiftplusone> the guy who wrote the original installer has disappeared, so it's not maintained anymore. hifi also wrote his own installer... which isn't official either.
[13:57] <shiftplusone> I think it's just confusion between what a linux distribution is and what an installation method is.
[13:57] <janPasi> possibly
[13:58] <ppq> debootstrap ;)
[13:58] <hid3> shiftplusone: what's your PSU?
[13:58] <hid3> 5V, X amps? how much is X?
[13:59] <shiftplusone> hid3, I have a 750mA Samsung one and... I am not sure what the one I am currently using is. It's in another room. (It's an Apple one)
[14:00] <hid3> OK. Apple (California)
[14:00] <hid3> a buddy of mine has got a PSU for his iPad
[14:00] <hid3> white, with USB slot
[14:01] <hid3> 5V 1A
[14:01] <hid3> is it worth trying to borrow that one from him?
[14:01] <shiftplusone> Is it an American one?
[14:01] <hid3> No, Europe
[14:01] <shiftplusone> then it's worth a shot
[14:01] <hid3> OK...
[14:02] <hid3> Is 1A enough?
[14:02] <shiftplusone> If it's accurate, yes.
[14:02] <shiftplusone> If it's a chinese cheapy, it doesn't matter what it says on it.
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[14:02] <hid3> and how do we know is it's accurate?
[14:02] <hid3> oh..
[14:03] <hid3> OK, so America is the country of dreams
[14:03] <hid3> I pray they'd be making good PSUs too
[14:04] <janPasi> cheap electronics is practically always made in china
[14:04] <janPasi> or somewere in asia anyway
[14:04] <shiftplusone> yes, but it depends who it's made for.
[14:04] <hid3> 99% of electronics are made there
[14:04] <janPasi> iphones/ipads too as far as i know
[14:04] <ColdKeyboard> Can XBMC run smoothly on Raspbian?
[14:05] <shiftplusone> ColdKeyboard, yes
[14:05] <hid3> Raspbian should include some bench-test to test the PSU
[14:05] <shiftplusone> the pi is not aware of the voltage it's getting, so that doesn't make sense.
[14:05] <hid3> so you deploy it, launch the test and if the device doesn't hang up, assume the PSU is okay
[14:05] <shiftplusone> That's why tp1 and tp2 are there
[14:05] <ColdKeyboard> I'm thinking of adding it to my setup. I need transmission, samba and maybe mpd daemons running in background. How much ram should I split to cpu vs gpu?
[14:06] <hid3> ColdKeyboard: are you playing music with mpd?
[14:06] <shiftplusone> ColdKeyboard, 64 for the GPU should be plenty if it's just for videos.
[14:06] <ppq> i boght a cheap 1.2 A one on amazon (about 7€) and i'm surprised how good it is. it's short-circuit proof (tested that myself ;) and delivers 1.5 A over several hours before becoming warm
[14:07] <shiftplusone> ppq, you don't know until you take it apart. Most of them don't bother with basic safety like keeping the mains voltage your device as far as possible.
[14:08] <shiftplusone> If you don't mind 1mm of air between yourself and mains voltage, then those are fine.
[14:08] <shiftplusone> but... having said that, 7 euros is not cheap for a supply.
[14:08] <hid3> mine costed like 8.5 Euros
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[14:10] <hid3> It looks like this: http://www.plenikowski.pix.pl/allegro/mlife_2A_Single/Gallery/mlife_2A_Single-000.jpg
[14:10] <hid3> but has got 2 USB ports
[14:10] <ppq> it was the one with the most subjective trustworthiness per euro. there were indeed several cheaper thingies
[14:11] <janPasi> i think mine was like 5€
[14:11] <janPasi> it's been working fine so far
[14:12] <janPasi> i have no idea of it's specs :D
[14:14] <janPasi> i have the dac along with wireless keyboard/mousethingy attached to usb and it seems to be quite enough
[14:15] <janPasi> hang on, i'll take a look at what it says
[14:17] <janPasi> "emerson dh5-050eu"
[14:17] <janPasi> 5V/1A
[14:17] <janPasi> made in china
[14:26] <hid3> OK, so looks like it's a USB/drivers related problem
[14:27] <shiftplusone> hid3, eh?
[14:35] <hid3> shiftplusone: the system is running off the USB HDD. The `mpd` was started this morning. It was playing files located on SD card. Now the Pi has hang up (no ssh responding, no ping, no etc) BUT the music is still playing!!
[14:36] <hid3> so in fact, seems like the kernel is not completely frozen, rather like the USB part is out...
[14:36] <hid3> (per my guess)
[14:36] <shiftplusone> ahm... is the USB HDD connected through a powered hub or does it have it's own supply?
[14:36] <hid3> own supply (3.5" hdd)
[14:36] <shiftplusone> ah ok
[14:37] <shiftplusone> there's a chance it still draws current from the pi itself as well
[14:37] <hid3> indeed it does that
[14:37] <hid3> USB was designed to have data+, data- +5v, GND..
[14:37] <shiftplusone> that's... kind of a problem.
[14:38] <hid3> so are you suggesting me to cut the power cables in the usb-hdd cable?
[14:38] <shiftplusone> yeah, but the +5v should not have current drawn from it if it has an external supply for that
[14:38] <hid3> tell that WD :)
[14:38] <hid3> *doubt* this is a PSU problem
[14:38] <shiftplusone> I would cut the 5v line if I had some cables to spare
[14:39] <shiftplusone> but I am not recommending that you should
[14:42] <hifi> ppq: my installer *is* debootstrap
[14:43] <ppq> ok
[14:44] <janPasi> i wonder if i'd be able to use spotify's web-client and output the sound to pulseaudio on pi
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[14:44] <janPasi> if i installed pulseaudio on it, that is
[14:45] <janPasi> i mean run the web-client on my laptop, but have the sound go to pi
[14:45] <janPasi> i think i'll need to try that
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[14:48] <ppq> pulseaudio can do that
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[14:49] <ppq> it was broken for a while, though
[14:49] <ppq> but i heard it works atm
[14:50] <janPasi> cool :)
[14:51] <janPasi> i had no luck with despotify
[14:51] <janPasi> all it says is "error in searching"
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[15:04] <hid3> are USb drivers built into the kernel or are they loadable modules?
[15:05] <shiftplusone> CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=y
[15:05] <shiftplusone> built in, it seems
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[15:07] <hid3> strange
[15:07] <hid3> guess what then hangs in my RPi
[15:07] <hid3> music is still playing but the system is unavailable
[15:08] <shiftplusone> (which sounds exactly like a power problem >.>)
[15:08] <shiftplusone> (but I don't insist that it is, I have no clue)
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[15:22] <hid3> OK
[15:22] <hid3> I'll borrow the damn PSu to eliminate that
[15:26] <shiftplusone> (be sure to test with and without the usb hdd attached)
[15:30] <hid3> can't test it without the HDD
[15:30] <hid3> since the system is on hdd
[15:30] <hid3> and I don't want to go back to the card
[15:30] <hid3> it WILL be corrupted in 3 days without any activity at all, that's 100%
[15:30] <janPasi> :o
[15:31] <janPasi> what kind of cards do they sell in lithuania
[15:31] <hid3> Sandisk, 32 GB, CL10
[15:31] <hid3> 29 Euros
[15:32] <janPasi> i'd return it to the seller
[15:32] <hid3> lol
[15:32] <hid3> tried couple different cards..
[15:33] <janPasi> i suppose it might damage your sd-cards if your power source is faulty
[15:34] <janPasi> just guessing, though
[15:35] <janPasi> afaik it's no common that they start causing problems so fast
[15:35] <janPasi> *not
[15:37] <janPasi> was your usb-hd attached when you were running the os from sd-card?
[15:38] <janPasi> i.e. when you experienced the corruption
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[16:02] <mndkntrl> Hello everyone, I need some info on using ssh connection through my vpn
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[16:05] <mndkntrl> I am using Openvpn to run my vpn connection, but ssh is not connecting as it normally does without the vpn
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[16:08] <mndkntrl> hello all, I am trying to connect to my pia via ssh through a vpn connection. Ssh is not working as it did before the vpn
[16:08] <glenn_> can i give my ethernet and wifi a static ip. i try it but when i do that and my iethernet is not connected my wifi won't start up
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[16:11] <glenn_> mndkntrl: hi
[16:11] <mndkntrl> glenn_:
[16:11] <mndkntrl> sup
[16:13] <glenn_> can i give my ethernet and my wifi a static ip. I try it but when i give my ethernet a static ip and no cable connected and the give the wifi a static ip my wifi wont start up. Set i ether on dhcp no problem
[16:13] <mndkntrl> glenn_: I dont know
[16:13] <mndkntrl> which is why i did not reply
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[16:14] <mndkntrl> have u done research with web search?
[16:14] <glenn_> yes
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[16:16] <glenn_> mndkntrl: but on the net i found nothing
[16:16] <glenn_> daveee123: hi
[16:16] <daveee123> glenn_: hi
[16:17] <glenn_> can you help me about static ip on eth0 and wlan0
[16:18] <daveee123> glenn_: i can try. what's going on?
[16:18] <daveee123> glenn_: did you set the ip yourself? or did you leave everything as default?
[16:18] <glenn_> when i give a static to my eth0
[16:20] <glenn_> and a static on my wlan the wlan won't boot up
[16:20] <daveee123> are you doing this through the command line or through a gui?
[16:20] <glenn_> and the ethernet is not connected
[16:21] <glenn_> i'v do it by command
[16:21] <glenn_> change the /etc/networking/intfaces
[16:22] <daveee123> glenn_: basically, something like this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=49350
[16:22] <daveee123> glenn_: or at the instructions from the first reply
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[16:24] <glenn_> daveee123 : i change the inferface file manualy
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[16:26] <glenn_> daveee123:
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[16:26] <daveee123> hmmm, can you check the wifi connection via the command line
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[16:27] <glenn_> daveee123: how can i do that
[16:28] <glenn_> dave at the moment the interfaces file is default
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[16:29] <glenn_> daveee123: how can i check my wifi on command line
[16:29] <daveee123> hmm
[16:30] <daveee123> ok, i believe you can check the connection with somehting like: /sbin/iw wlan0 link
[16:30] <daveee123> where the link is http://www.google.com/
[16:30] <daveee123> but i'm not sure
[16:30] <daveee123> glenn_: i'm not on my linux machine right now
[16:31] <daveee123> glenn_: i don't think i will be able to help you too quickly, but the guys in ##linux should solve the issue in a second
[16:32] <glenn_> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8851/setting-up-wifi-and-ethernet
[16:32] <glenn_> try this also but not working
[16:35] <glenn_> daveee123: i can't sent to ##linux
[16:35] <mndkntrl> can anyone help with ssh through vpn issue
[16:35] <mndkntrl> ?
[16:36] <glenn_> hi
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[16:37] <glenn_> some her
[16:37] <glenn_> hi
[16:37] <dexta> what does -vvv show fn'mndkntrl ?
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[16:38] <dexta> also can you ping an endpoint of the tunnel ?
[16:39] <mndkntrl> dexta: sorry what?
[16:39] <shiftplusone> hid3, looks like you got a reply from the almighty popcornmix with a resting suggestion.
[16:40] <mndkntrl> Here is the situation, the vpn is working great, i can ssh to the machine fine without the vpn, and i can ssh into it fine locally, but when i try and ssh into it through the vpn ponting my client to the vpns assigned ip i get username / pass error and msg saying i hav eno private key chosen
[16:40] <mndkntrl> Now i am not using keys yet, just trying to get setup with username/pass first
[16:41] <dexta> delete the host for it listed in ~/.ssh/knownhosts & retry
[16:41] <dexta> its complaing cos its thinks you should be connecteing from wher you did before ?>
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[16:41] <dexta> maybe
[16:42] <dexta> at q quick guess ^
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[16:46] <mndkntrl> I dont have ~/.ssh directory, i am using raspbian
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[17:06] <dexta> should do
[17:10] <dexta> the file is known_hosts not knownhosts
[17:10] <dexta> its used in raspbian
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[18:11] <glda19> how can help me to setup my network static for eth0 and wlan0
[18:12] <sney> https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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[18:14] <glda19> sney did you setup a eth0 static and a wlan� static
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[18:15] <sney> I have done both of those things. it is pretty straightforward.
[18:15] <glda19> can you help me
[18:16] <glda19> sney would you help me
[18:16] <ppq> just try it and ask if you don't understand anything in particular
[18:17] <glda19> i set up my eth0 and wlan0 both to static
[18:17] <sney> glda19: the file is /etc/network/interfaces, the wiki link I just showed you explains how to use it, if you get confused, ask a specific question. nobody is going to hold your hand
[18:20] <glda19> sney i put my eth0 to static with the following address and netmask then i set the wlan0 to static with adress netmask and getaway
[18:20] <glda19> and im connected to my eth0
[18:21] <sney> is that a question?
[18:21] <glda19> but on my pi i can't ping to my wlan0 static ip
[18:22] <glda19> sney i told how my iterfaces file is configured
[18:22] <sney> you kind of vaguely described it, but I can't tell from that whether you did something wrong
[18:23] <glda19> i did what
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[18:23] <sney> copy your interfaces file, paste it here: http://paste.debian.net/ and link your paste in this channel so I can see exactly what you did
[18:23] <twolife> plugwash: i noticed that the gcc debian maintainer included the necessary logic to automatically build gcc with the correct flag on raspbian (jessie). this led me to this question: is it ok for you if people try to do the same thing for other packages in debian ? do you have /opt/vc/{include,lib} on your autobuilder ?
[18:24] <glda19> sney did you have setup your eth0 and wlan0 to static
[18:24] <plugwash> <twolife> plugwash: i noticed that the gcc debian maintainer included the necessary logic to automatically build gcc with the correct flag on raspbian (jessie). this led me to this question: is it ok for you if people try to do the same thing for other packages in debian ? <-- yes for sufficiently narrow definitions of "same thing"
[18:24] <sney> glda19: my setup is not relevant to you. pastebin your interfaces file if you want help
[18:25] <plugwash> do you have /opt/vc/{include,lib} on your autobuilder ? <-- no, packages in raspbian main must not (build-)depend on anything outside of raspbian main, so anything that needs the Pi specific libraries will need to be built from a seperate source package and placed in the "rpi" section of the repo if it is to be included in raspbian
[18:25] <twolife> :/
[18:26] <glda19> how can i restart my network
[18:26] <sney> ifdown interface;ifup interface
[18:26] <glda19> or is the best way to reboot the pi
[18:27] <twolife> plugwash: ok so, what is the way to include packages in the "rpi" section ?
[18:28] <plugwash> You have to speak to me...........
[18:28] <plugwash> can you tell us what program specifically this is about?
[18:29] <twolife> plugwash: libsdl2, it's a 3 line patch in debian/rules to detect that it's build on rapsbian and to include support for videocore
[18:29] <glda19> why can't i ping my router from my pi
[18:30] <glda19> my eth0 have address and netmask
[18:31] <twolife> plugwash: i'm also thinking about libcec
[18:32] <plugwash> twolife, do you know how the videocore support in libsdl2 works?
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[18:36] <glda19> can some help me to setup my network static for my raspberry on eth0 and wlan0
[18:38] <sney> glda19: again, pastebin your interfaces file if you want help
[18:41] <janPasi> i think glda19 might be a bot ;D
[18:42] <glda19> im not a bot
[18:43] <janPasi> that's what a bot would say ;D
[18:43] <janPasi> no, i'm just kidding really :)
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[18:50] <glda19> my ineterfaces file on paste.debian.nt/76221
[18:50] <glda19> my ineterfaces file on paste.debian.ne/76221
[18:50] <glda19> my ineterfaces file on paste.debian.net76221
[18:50] <glda19> my ineterfaces file on paste.debian.net/76221
[18:50] <ppq> .oO(we're getting closer)
[18:51] <janPasi> how about removing the comment marks?
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[18:53] <glda19> how can help me to correct the file interfaces on paste.debian.net/76221
[18:53] <janPasi> glda19: remove the # marks from the beginning of lines
[18:54] <janPasi> glda19: you have everything commented out in you interfaces
[18:54] <janPasi> glda19: also remove this line: iface eth0 inet dhcp
[18:54] <glda19> janpasi i now but it's not woring
[18:54] <janPasi> you don't want to use both dhcp and static ip
[18:55] <janPasi> remove the # marks, the above line, save the file and do a reboot
[18:56] <janPasi> then you have: #ifcae default inet dhcp
[18:58] <janPasi> it should probably be iface default inet something-other-than-dhcp
[18:58] <janPasi> but i'm not sure what
[18:58] <janPasi> (don't write something-other-than-dhcp in there, however :D)
[18:59] <glda19> janPasi, i commented out the
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[19:02] <glda19> janPasi, i have a ip for eth0 but not for my wlan0
[19:02] <janPasi> glda19: correct your typos
[19:02] <janPasi> teway
[19:02] <janPasi> allaw-hotplug wlan0
[19:02] <janPasi> should be allow
[19:03] <janPasi> ifcae default inet dhcp
[19:04] <janPasi> should probably be iface default inet static (but i'm not sure about this)
[19:05] <janPasi> glda19: you need to be more _careful_ when you edit your configfiles
[19:05] <janPasi> glda19: the computer isn't able to understand words that are spelled incorrectly
[19:06] <janPasi> i.e. allaw vs. allow
[19:06] <glda19> janPasi,
[19:06] <glda19> janPasi, i now
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[19:09] <glda19> i janPasi i reboot but i have no ip on my wlan
[19:09] <janPasi> can you show me the interfaces file at the moment
[19:09] <janPasi> paste it to pastebin as it is now
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[19:15] <glda19> janPasi, http://paste.debian.net/76225
[19:16] <janPasi> perhaps this line: iface wlan0 inet manual
[19:16] <sney> needs a wireless-essid
[19:16] <janPasi> should be iface wlan inet static?
[19:17] <janPasi> why is gateway commented out?
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[19:18] <glda19> janPasi, on what nic
[19:18] <janPasi> wlan0
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[19:19] <janPasi> glda19: but you'd better ask someone else, i've never configured wlan via network/interfaces
[19:21] <janPasi> glda19: and you will also need essid set up somewere like sney said
[19:22] <glda19> janPasi, what did you mean with youre last sentens
[19:23] <janPasi> well your machine needs to know which wireless station it needs to connect
[19:23] <glda19> can some help me to setup my wlan0 and eth0
[19:24] <janPasi> glda19: and please stop repeating that over and over again
[19:24] <janPasi> lots of people have been trying to help you
[19:24] <janPasi> you need to calm down, read the documentation that you have been referred to
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[19:25] <janPasi> then edit your interfaces-file accordingly
[19:26] <janPasi> there is no need to repeat your help request every five minutes
[19:27] <janPasi> it's just really really annoying, you know
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[19:31] <glda19> how have confire static ip
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[19:33] <glda19> fingerprint, hi
[19:33] <fingerprint> Hello
[19:34] <glda19> fingerprint, how is the nowlegd of the pi
[19:35] <fingerprint> Weak.
[19:35] <glda19> fingerprint,
[19:35] <glda19> fingerprint, how did you conneceted to the network
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[19:36] <glda19> some here
[19:36] <sney> read this also https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
[19:36] <sney> and try to figure it out yourself
[19:37] <sney> it is not hard. you need to read, and learn.
[19:37] <sney> many people have done it before.
[19:38] <glda19> i now sney
[19:38] <glda19> but im trying for days with no result
[19:40] <glda19> some here
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[19:43] <hid3> what does actually "smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N" appended to command line do?
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[19:48] <glda19> hi
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[19:52] <glda19> some here wake
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[19:55] <glda19> tinti hi
[19:56] <tinti> hi glda19
[19:56] <glda19> tinti how is the knowleddge of the pi
[19:57] <tinti> mine?
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[19:57] <glda19> tinti, yes
[19:58] <tinti> well I am not good in evaluating myself, I would say intermediate, why?
[19:59] <glda19> did you use static ip
[19:59] <glda19> ore dhcp
[20:01] <glda19> tinti,
[20:01] <tinti> dhcp
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[20:10] <glda19> Gooogy, hi
[20:10] <Gooogy> hi
[20:10] <glda19> Gooogy, how is the knowlegd of the pi
[20:11] <Gooogy> not the best ^^
[20:11] <glda19> what did you use static ip
[20:11] <Gooogy> no
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[20:23] <glda19> tinti
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[20:31] <glda19> lupinedk, hi
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[20:41] <ppq> glda19: seriously?
[20:43] <glda19> ppp what
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[20:57] <SwK> plugwash: is there any documentation on what you guys had to do to get a good armhf environment on the i.mx5 hardware you were using for the package building cluster?
[20:58] <SwK> plugwash: I got my hands on some i/MX6 hardware and want to get packages for FreeSWITCH (telephone softswitch) going good…
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[21:23] <plugwash> mike did the setup of the imx53 stuff so not sure on the details
[21:25] <plugwash> as for the imx6 stuff we are using for raspbian jessie I currently use robert nelson's kernels. IIRC on my wandboard quad I use his u-boot unmodified while on my nitrogen6x I had to customise his u-boot a bit
[21:25] <plugwash> what hardware do you have?
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[22:14] <SwK> plugwash: I got a customized board from cornfed systems…
[22:15] <plugwash> can't say i've heard of them.....
[22:15] <SwK> plugwash: nice construction, onboard AC or DC-DC power supply, mini-ITC formfactor… just wanna get it up and running… have ARMEL running on it right now from the FreeScale ref OS
[22:15] <SwK> plugwash: they are kinda new in the space… I ended up getting like board #6 outta thri first run
[22:15] <SwK> mini-ITX formfactor that is
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[22:16] <plugwash> It should be easy enough to replace the armel rootfs with an armhf one
[22:17] <neredsenvy> I just installed the OS on my RPi, the problem is I only have a mouse article here: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8458/is-it-possible-to-install-and-configure-a-raspberry-pi-without-a-wired-keyboard
[22:17] <plugwash> the trickier bit is if you want a modern kernel, AIUI to use the "mainstream based" kernels you will need a device tree file for the board and a bootloader that understandard how to load it
[22:17] <SwK> this thing uses mini-sd card for boot and SATA for root as it is now...
[22:17] <neredsenvy> states that you can configure the RPi without a mouse and keyboard if you used a second PC to connect to it
[22:17] <neredsenvy> via SSH
[22:17] <SwK> plugwash: I have all the patches… they were nice enough to github them
[22:18] <neredsenvy> how do I do that. I do have a bluetooth keyboard but I don't know how to pair it since i didnt yet make it in to the OS
[22:18] <SwK> plugwash: did you guys move to the imx6 stuff for the build cluster?
[22:19] <plugwash> currently raspbian wheezy is still being built by the old mx53 boards while jessie is being built by imx6 boards, I mean to integrate everything and move it all over to the mx6 boards but I haven't got arround to it yet
[22:19] <SwK> cool
[22:19] <SwK> thanks for the info
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[22:19] <SwK> I have some research to go do now
[22:19] <plugwash> patches are all very well but it's going to take some kernel knowlege to convert from patches to an old frescale vendor kernel to a device tree file for a current upstream kernel
[22:20] <gnarface> neredsenvy: there are probably a few other ways, but my guess is that using this installer is the easiest: https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[22:21] <SwK> plugwash: yeah that I might have an issue with… if I can get it up and running armhf even with an older kernel just for building packages I'll be happy
[22:23] <plugwash> doing that should just be a matter of swapping out the rootfs
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[22:47] <gnarface> someone should give that hifi guy a medal
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[23:17] <gnarface> plugwash: on backporting packages from rasbpian jessie to raspbian wheezy; there's no backports repo for raspbian wheezy, is there?
[23:18] <plugwash> gnarface, indeed, and frankly I have enough to do just running the repos I already run
[23:18] <gnarface> plugwash: would it be plausibly possible to just compile the vlc version from jessie on wheezy using wheezy's deps for the wheezy version?
[23:19] <gnarface> plugwash: i guess exchange in that statement, vlc for [anything that is still compatible with the wheezy lib versions]
[23:19] <plugwash> i'm sure such compliation is possible, it's a matter of managing the repo, keeping things up to date etc
[23:20] <gnarface> understood
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